doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Simon says, Oh, never mind…

I'm going to add in that many of the things that "suck" today, are all rooted in a common political agenda.

If I am a person that could potentially find common ground on issues such as these, maybe on your return, you might help come up with solutions to the Brents and LGFs of the nation, using emotion based opinion to have an automatic legitimate point? I think the article I used as an example, sucks. Why, because it made zero link to lead projectiles out of any type of firearm, but it is "proof" that laws and regulations imposed by antis have merit.

In any event, regardless of how routine your trips down south have become, safe travels.

You are describing religion, not science, as you clearly don't understand how science works. As scientists, Brent and I deal in testable hypotheses and provable fact, the very opposite of opinion. Emotion based opinion is your contemptuous dismissal of any science which inconveniences you.

LGF.if so why are eagles expanding in numbers actual countable numbers . Mabey condors are at the end of of there evolution ladder

And maybe they are not. Pretty clearly, their habitat has suffered far more anthropogenic impacts that balds. Meanwhile, go back and read LGFs earlier posts. He spelled it out for you. And you know it, of course.

I believe you're a good guy LGF, but that's not why you mentioned condor dialysis, is it? I asked quite a while ago, if a loved one of your's needs heart surgery, do you want the surgeon completely versed in the most appropriate science, or do you want some song and dance about podiatry best practice?

You don't get it do you, I believe I understand science better than fits your comfort level, I call on you to apply it, when you intend to harm me, and my family with binding policy. I live with incoveniences on a daily basis, happily, but that comment is just a game you came up with that we're not really playing, are we?

Hey, on a lighter note, where are today's green arses, not of yesteryear when the tailpipes of every car in North America spewed lead laced plumes, or companies were still putting it in paints and children's toys? Why are we guessing that wild birds are laying dead of lead poisoning in unknown places, when science is repeatable and Muscovy ducks could graze a triple concentration lead shot seeded control field, to verify what happens? What, might not work, shucks Iowa State should give it a go.

kali used to be one of my favorite places to visit, and there was a time when the pacific flyway was something special. Did you ever consider that you messed up that once great state, and not responsible sportsmen?

craig, you don't understand up from down.

It would take one to know one.

A guy accused you of being a scientist, yet, we had multiple pages of discussion about patterning for Ruffed Grouse, initiated by who?

Let that sink in. Patterning a gun for Ruffed Grouse? Really?

I’ve seen them hit with the wad out of a shotgun shell, the shot obviously going off in a different direction, and the damn bird brought to bag. When I was perhaps 17, I fired one round at a piece of cardboard, out of an IC choked Remington model 17, and determined, scientifically, I had a killer grouse gun.

Weird, huh?


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Ted

It doesn't surprise me that you would not pattern a gun. Your Darnes are probably as bad as mine (that was yours). The last thing you would want to see is their actual patterns on a target. You really are clueless. But you are easy to figure.

You keep hunting grouse with wads, while I laugh.

There is a way to determine the source of lead using lead isotopes. Here is a paper which shows that the high lead levels in a young bald eagle were associated with lead paint, lead in gasoline and lead smelting and not with lead ammunition.

"The Use of Lead Isotope Analysis to Identify Potential Sources of Lead Toxicosis in a Juvenile Bald Eagle (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) With Ventricular Foreign Bodies"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44806036

It would be nice if all research used those methods when lead was found to be contributing to the death or ill health of birds and other animals.

Interesting. Where do you suppose a juvenile in the 20teens would be guzzling leaded gasoline?

Here's another - and not just one individual. A bit more substantial data set, wouldn't you say? Different results.
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ecs2.3006#:~:text=Isotopic%20ratios%20of%20206Pb,to%2089%25%20of%20the%20nestlings.

Lots of other papers out there. Most show ammunition lead.