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Have a 10 gauge SxS, on barrel says "LC Smith maker of Baker Gun
Syracuse NY Stub Twist".
Some information online says barrels were London Made, Anyone know what Company in London made them ?

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A L.C. Smith, Maker of Baker Gun, Syracuse, N.Y. gun would date to 1880-1884.

From William Wellington Greener, The Gun and Its Development, 1907, 8th Edition
http://books.google.com/books?id=3HMCAAAAYAAJ
In London the barrel-welding industry was never of great importance since 1844 no gun-barrel welder has practised in the Metropolis. The last maker was W. Fullard, of Clerkenwell, who enjoyed a high reputation for all kinds of sporting gun barrels. The military barrels were obtained from the Midlands, whence, or from foreign centres, the figured barrels used by London makers are now imported.

Some 1870s Parker Lifters have been found with Birmingham Provisional Proof



c. 1891-1892 Hunter Arms L.C. Smith damascus and laminated steel guns have also been found with Birmingham Proof



I don't believe anyone can document the origin of the "rough forged tubes" used by L.C. Smith Maker, but they were not from London.

We do know this regarding pattern welded tubes in 1895

Nov. 30, 1895 Sporting Life
How Shot Guns Are Made and the Process Through Which They Pass Fully Explained
The beginning of the manufacture of a gun is the barrels, and it is generally known that no barrels are made in this country except the rolled steel, which is used on the Winchester gun. All gun barrels are now imported, although an attempt was made a few years ago to produce them in this country, but with only partial success. England, Germany and Belgium supply most of the barrels, the latter country doubtless producing the larger quantity. All gun barrels, whether imported direct from the makers in Belgium, or through an importer in this country to the gun manufacturer, are received in rough tubes, which very much resemble a couple of gas pipes, but being somewhat larger at one end than at the other. These barrels or “tubes” as they are called, are merely tied together in pairs, with small wire and 40 to 50 pairs are packed in a box.



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Drew, Thanks for the reply !
These barrels have no pits and appear original, wall thickness surprisingly thick, very little wear on gun, am going to fire a few rounds of low pressure shells through them.
Seems that Stub Twist barrels were least expensive at the time wondering what the quality was compared to Damascus or the Laminated steel options ?

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L.C. Smith Maker guns were listed as Quality A, English Twist, to Quality F, Finest Damascus or Laminated Steel.
The gun could be 140 years old, and should not be used, with any load, until it has been evaluated by a double gun specialist.
Please see "General Information" in the FAQs on the LCSCA site
https://lcsca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=274&club_id=43784

Re: pattern welded quality and origin
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxP1k3PzmtmrG1HEGxd8X6g0-1GL0KNY8WMIMkdKr0/edit

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Very high probability they were made in Ličge and sent directly to the Birmingham proof facility, which was an exception in the Belgian proof law.


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