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Yes, please! back on track would be nice. This has turned out to be quite a "lively" first post on this site! Thanks for all the help so far, opinions, facts and otherwise.

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There's the answer. Don't feed the trolls. I have Keith on ignore.

The rampant lion--unfortunately not too clear in the photo--does look like the early ones used by the Govt proof house, which didn't exist until 1920. Lee Kennett says there was a private proof house in Brescia as early as 1910 "and probably for many years before", so that may be the answer . . . although all the rampant lion examples I can find are surmounted by a crown. And I suppose the PF under a crown could be a predecessor of PSF, which has been an Italian proofmark since the very beginning.

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Originally Posted By: LeFusil
I like Keith. He keeps it real and puts the dingalings on blast. The way I see it, if Keith's putting you on blast...you probably deserved it. And he does so over and over again by posting what these ding dongs have either written or said. He doesn't seem slanderous to me.. And....over the years, Keith has also contributed many technical and otherwise helpful answers in regards to shotguns...much more so than many other so called "contributors". Don't say or write stupid shit...and Keith won't blow you up. Seems simple.


So any questioning of him justifies his diatribes and name calling?

That includes his diverting posts injecting out of context attacks in other threads.

You have a high tolerance for tom foolery, your patience does you credit, Keith's name calling and off topic post show him to act as he accuses others of, in excess.

Sad as you point out he is knowledgeable on doubleguns and is capable of good posts.

Most here are capable of manners he does not demonstrate in many of his posts.

I guess a key is hiding one's identity; it reveals much about some posters.

I do not accept your proposition that his conduct is justified. It is possible to call people out in context and with some level of civility his posts often lack.

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Rampant Lion in a shield looks to be on both flats.

Mr. Brown & I seem to be on the same page also. If PN is for Pulvere Nero, then what does PSF represent?

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PSF is difinative smokeless proof, since 1951.
PF with the crown on this gun, indicates final proof perhaps, not specifying smokeless. I find it hard to believe that this gun would only be proved for black though.

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That last photo was kinda embarrassing. So with a real camera and better light, ...

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Indeed, much better effort.

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(P)F = Finito? Final Proof or just an internal mark to indicate finished gun or final inspection?

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What are those marks above the lion on the left?

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those just look like tool marks to me.

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