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here is a link to the place where there is much valuable info re fox guns...https://www.foxcollectors.com/
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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On that site the term "pre fox" is used. Why is it called pre fox? Is that to imply that these are not true fox shotguns?
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Baltimore Arms Co., initiated in January 1900 and ending business in October 1904, was a "predecessor" to A H Fox Gun Co. Ansley Fox was involved in the business, but was mostly preoccupied with competition shooting at that time. The Fox Gun Co., Baltimore used a patent issued to Frank Hollenbeck.
Ansley Fox was granted a patent for his new gun design in December, 1902. Philadelphia Arms Co. was incorporated in November, 1902.
Both of these companies were heavily influenced by the presence of Ansley Fox, IMO, and could be considered pre-Fox, because the "true" Fox was the A H Fox gun, which was taking shape 1904/1905 and became the Fox that we know today as the A H Fox, in all it's grades, and Sterlingworth.
For much more in the business maneuvering that took place between Baltimore Arms, Philadelphia Arms and A H Fox Gun Co., you should purchase a copy of A H Fox by Michael McIntosh. My brief summary may even be slightly inaccurate, but the whole history can be mused in the book.
SRH
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Baltimore Arms Co., initiated in January 1900 and ending business in October 1904, was a "predecessor" to A H Fox Gun Co. Ansley Fox was involved in the business, but was mostly preoccupied with competition shooting at that time. The Fox Gun Co., Baltimore used a patent issued to Frank Hollenbeck. You've got that bass ackwards, Stan. Read my article in the latest Fox Collectors Newsletter. That is a chapter of McIntosh's book that needs a rewrite, as does the chapter on Philadelphia Arms Co. The Fox Gun Co., Balto., MD., U.S.A. and Philadelphia Arms Co. can be considered predecessors to the A.H. Fox Gun Co. Baltimore Arms Co. was a blip in the history of Frank A. Hollenbeck guns. Ansley H. Fox was neither an officer or director of Baltimore Arms Co. and during the years of its existence he was either working for Winchester or busy founding Philadelphia Arms Co.
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Are any shotguns from the A.H. Fox Gun Co. considered as pre fox?
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Thanks, Dave, for the correction. I'll admit to not having sat down and read the last newsletter closely, but that is a good reason to. I was basing my post strictly on the book. I need to be more careful.
Best, SRH
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Are any shotguns from the A.H. Fox Gun Co. considered as pre fox? Not really. I guess one could consider the 1910 The Sterlingworth Co. guns to be pre-Fox in that the Sterlingworth then appeared in the 1911 A.H. Fox Gun Co. catalog.
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So what I actually have is an AE early grade Fox that is marked Ansley H Fox. I much prefer these shotguns over the ones that have so much engraving. The barrels have been reblued by a well known double gun smith before I acquired it. Since it is not original it is not a collector piece which is ok with me. I'ven taken it shooting several times with some light load rst shells. It tracks beautifully and is elegant to hold. This one is a keeper and also was found for a very good deal if these are selling for over 1k.
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