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I spoke to Mike Orlen a couple days ago and he will be opening the chokes on my AyA
.410. Thanks again for the replies.
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Is it possible that your shotgun was produced when card and fiber wads were the norm?
An option to opening up your chokes and a lot less expensive is to load spreader loads with either 1-piece plastic wads or C&F wads. I have had good success and have opened chokes up by one choke. EG: Full to Mod, Mod to Imp. Cyl. Can't remember the exact date but my AyA was made about 2005. It was definitely set up for plastic wads but appears to have been choked much tighter than marked on the barrels. I have never seen spreader loads for a .410. Are they commercially available or a hand loading only proposition? Thanks. Dennis
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Dennis, I don't shoot a .410, but regardless of gauge/bore, spreaders can be made by simply cutting two proper size overshot cards half way through and sliding them together to form an X. The X is placed in the hull and then the shot is added. If you use card and fiber wads instead of 1-piece plastic wads the effect should be a more open pattern. Shot, depending on the amount of antimony can also effect the pattern. Try a few different loads and hopefully you will get the spread that you want.
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410 shotguns are difficult to shoot. They should be used by expert shooters. I was a shooting instructor for Remington and our professional target team used nothing but full choke in the 410. You do not have enough shot to give a even pattern in a more open choke so all you get is random hits. IC and Mod are too open. Most any thing can go through the pattern. It is too long a shot string with too little shot. A 410 is not near as effective as a 28 gauge which has a shorter shot string.
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Remember pattern is just part of the equation not all the shot arrives on the target at the same time. The small diameter of the 410 gives a long shot string with large gaps between the pellets.
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I used to shoot International Skeet along with a friend who was in a car accident and could not handle the recoil from the usual 12 gauge. Until he recovered, he was using a Win. 42. Typically, his scores were comparable with the .410 vs. the 12
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GRF, thank you for your reply. I bought this gun a couple months ago with the intention of shooting Bobwhite Quail over my setters. It will never be my go to "Quail Gun" as that spot is already taken. The .410 will make it into the field a few times per season and only for pointed Bobwhites.
I tried the .410 a few days after I bought it and the birds were either a clean miss or shredded. About 50/50. After that episode and back with my everyday Quail Gun, I started pacing off distances to were the birds were hit (not were they fell). Surprisingly the birds were hit at 12 - 16 yards. I knew I shot quickly but not that quickly.
The chokes on this AyA are marked IC & Mod. AyA lists IC as .003 - .006. Mod. is listed as .007 - .012. This gun does not pattern that way. Think Full & Fuller. I have ordered some other brands of ammo and different shot sizes to pattern. I have some choke constriction suggestions from a couple guys that use .410's and they are all within .001 of each other but tighter than I am thinking for my distances.
By thoughts are to have the right barrels optimum pattern at 15 yards. The left barrel at no more than 20. I am planning on using #8 shot but also want to try #8 1/2. Based on what I have read and some input of some knowledgeable .410 shooters this gun will probably be choked .000 & .006. Certainly a great departure from the accepted .410 knowledge base.
So, in another week or so, after I finish chasing birds for this year, the .410 will become my next gun project. Some patterning, some shooting and then choke modification. I sure hope I get the chokes right. It's a "cute" gun.
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Wouldn't it be nice if you could be there when he opens them, and could shoot patterns as he removes a little at the time? That is the beauty of learning to do this work yourself, as ChuckH does. You can stop when you get it just right.
My .410s are choked all over the map. My Verona O/U is .004" bottom and .011" top. The Dickinson is .008" in both barrels, and the Yildiz is .011" right and .015" left. I have actually done better shooting on doves with the Yildiz than any of the others, in spite of the extremely tight chokes.
Good luck, SRH
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Fwiw, for pointed quail, my favorite 410 of the 4 sxs guns I own is .010/Left .000/right
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Stan, if this .410 was going to be a dove gun I would leave the chokes just the way they are. However I am addicted to hammer guns for dove shooting.
Dennis
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