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I don't know about the lightweight designation, but Remington offered the Model 25 in rifle and carbine versions. The rifle had a 24" barrel and a pistol grip stock, the carbine a 18" barrel and a straight stock. Yours is definitely a carbine.
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JC,
Agreed, it is a carbine.
I am told, and found some small references online, to a 'Lightweight' Carbine with a half magazine and different rear sight.
Trying to determine if this is actually the truth, or internet rumor.
Thanks!
Mike
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As far as I've ever seen, there are only two models of the 25, the rifle and the carbine. The factory designation of the carbine was 25R, if my memory serves.
I've never seen any other variation, nor have I seen factory enahancements like special sights or checkering. There may be some, but they are very scarce.
You have a gem, in any case.
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Received an email this morning from the gentleman who commented about this rifle.
"Is actually more of a transition model. The transition is from a full length magazine tube to 2/3 - rear sight dovetail moved from 5 or so inches to 3 inches (a few with no dovetail) - rifle sight to shrouded carbine sight - 17 1/2 or 17 3/4 barrel length to 18 or 18 1/4 inch barrel. - Model 14R stocks used for a period of a few months in PROBABLY late 1924."
The date code on this rifle is for June of '24, so this information may be correct.
The rifle came from the estate of gentleman who had a collection of interesting variations of otherwise 'common' rifles. Trying to figure out why this one was part of his collection.
Mike
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The Remington Model 25, sort of a scaled down Model 14 1/2 for the smaller diameter short cartridges makes its first appearance in Remington Arms Co., Inc.'s first catalogue, Catalogue No. 51, circa 1921 --  Catalogue No. 107, 1923 --   Undated Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalogue circa 1929 --  Remington Arms Co., Inc. price list January 1, 1930 --  Undated Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalogue circa 1931 --  Undated Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalogue circa 1932 --  Remington Arms Co., Inc. Price List, March 1, 1934 --  The Model 25's final appearance is in the February 15, 1935, Remington Arms Co., Inc. Price List and the carbine barrel has grown a half inch -- 
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I can't wait to try my 25-20 at "Accurate to 300 yards". I have a box of Aardvark soft points to use.
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I found the email address for Tom Hemphill. He replied to my email with the following. Mike:
That is an earlier Model 25R that you have. If you measure the barrel carefully, you will find it to be 17ľ”, a mite short of the advertised 18”. After 1934, they began making them in 18˝”.
Your carbine stock is from a model 14R, as were all of the early ones. Most of them found will have sling loops, a strap steel buttplate on a straight stock, and a protected sight that I call a “carbine” sight on my records.
Carbines pictured in the 1923 catalog were like yours but with a full magazine and a 93˝ rear sight in a dovetail 5˝” out on the barrel. A 701˝ is the more common sliding leaf sight used on all later 14s and 141s and is, for all practical purposes, that same thing as the 93˝.
Your rifle has a sight known as a 48-51, and is in a dovetail about 2ľ” onto the barrel. This is the location for all later carbine dovetails. 48-51s were usually found on model 12s and it is rare to find them on model 25s, but with Remington, anything is possible.
So to sum up, you have an early 25R carbine with a couple of features I have not previously observed, namely the 48-51 and the “hard rubber” buttplate. I would very much appreciate it if I could have the complete serial of your rifle as well as confirmation of a “PR” build code. I would like to compare it with my own 7xxx, made in 11/23. It had the Dovetail 5 ˝” in front of the receiver and the 93˝ sight, which was the sight used on all model 25 rifles during the production years.
I have never of worn guns having a problem with “slamfires”
There is no such thing as a “lightweight carbine”. Why would you improve on 4˝ pounds?
Deer? I shot 6 of them using 60 grain Remington hollow points. Every one was a one shot kill. I love those hi speed rounds.
tang sights? I swear by them and put them on every 25 that I use for hunting.
Total production of rifles and carbines was about 33,000. Of those, Remington folks generally agree that less than 10% were the carbine version.
feel free to quote me if you wish..............................tom
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Dave,
Thanks for the catalog pages! Very informative and interesting to read.
Mike
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