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I do not own a vintage gun with automatic safety. I always remove the rod on Foxes, and disable the auto feature on my hunting and competition guns. When one bird is worth thousands of dollars, few serious competitors are willing to take the chance. I have taught my grandsons that the safety is between their ears, not on their gun. I would hate to hunt with a man who could not train himself to put his loaded gun back on safe.
Anytime this comes up I wonder how many shooters who preach the virtues of an automatic safety have autos and pumps in their stable. If they are so all fired important, no pun intended, why don't THEY have them?
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"We are men of action. Lies do not become us."
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I've had three Foxes restocked to fit me. In each case I have the automatic safety feature removed as having it requires and extra hole be drilled in the head of the stock which decreases the strength of the wood per my stockermaker. Anyway, I don't miss it and don't think about it. Putting the safety on and off at the right time is so ingrained in my mental makeup, its as easy as using both triggers on a sxs.
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One might question why you feel the need to take the wood off the forearm iron? Needs some new finish. Buttstock is worse, and has a poorly fit and decayed pad. There is also a screw in the frame side of the forend iron. In the face of it.
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I do not own a vintage gun with automatic safety. I always remove the rod on Foxes, and disable the auto feature on my hunting and competition guns. When one bird is worth thousands of dollars, few serious competitors are willing to take the chance. I have taught my grandsons that the safety is between their ears, not on their gun. I would hate to hunt with a man who could not train himself to put his loaded gun back on safe.
Anytime this comes up I wonder how many shooters who preach the virtues of an automatic safety have autos and pumps in their stable. If they are so all fired important, no pun intended, why don't THEY have them?
SRH Like Stan I've had every auto-safety removed. I have rifles, pistols and shotguns with various safeties and all are manual. I believe that is safer to have all of my safeties manual because, no matter which weapon I am using, I know that it's up to me to engage the safety EVERY time.
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When one bird is worth thousands of dollars, few serious competitors are willing to take the chance. "IF" the gun is on safe until on its way to the shoulder it absolutely matters not how it was put there. This thus applies only when a person is firing a string of shots Without the gun ever being placed in the safe configuration. I have absolutely no problem with this under proper conditions, but this is not the type of shooting I do. The only "Worth" to a bird I might shoot is whatever food value it has. I have seen dedicated trap guns which had no safety at all, no problem here either. I do shoot other types of guns which do not have auto safeties with no problems. My first "Shotgunning" occurred about 65 years ago with a single barrel hammer gun. About 61 years ago I acquired my first double, a hammerless which did have an auto safety. Every Hammerless double I have owned from that day to this except one has had an auto safety. I have never seen a viable reason for de-activating a single one of them. That one exception I still have but do not use, NOT because of the safety but because I do not trust its barrels.
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Some of my guns have 'em, some of them don't. I've never understood the hatred some guys have for one system or the other.
Doesn't seem like it would be a big deal to learn to use the gun however it was equipped. I, also, have never been in a position where, a clay pigeon, or some other target, was worth thousands of dollars to me.
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When one bird is worth thousands of dollars, few serious competitors are willing to take the chance. "IF" the gun is on safe until on its way to the shoulder it absolutely matters not how it was put there. This thus applies only when a person is firing a string of shots Without the gun ever being placed in the safe configuration. I have absolutely no problem with this under proper conditions, but this is not the type of shooting I do. The only "Worth" to a bird I might shoot is whatever food value it has. I have seen dedicated trap guns which had no safety at all, no problem here either. I do shoot other types of guns which do not have auto safeties with no problems. My first "Shotgunning" occurred about 65 years ago with a single barrel hammer gun. About 61 years ago I acquired my first double, a hammerless which did have an auto safety. Every Hammerless double I have owned from that day to this except one has had an auto safety. I have never seen a viable reason for de-activating a single one of them. That one exception I still have but do not use, NOT because of the safety but because I do not trust its barrels. Totally agree, Miller. I was not referring to you as one of those who are so adamant about having automatic safeties. And, refreshingly, I agree with Ted that I, also, do not understand "hatred" for one way or the other. If a man cannot teach himself to manage a manual safety, I'm the first to say he needs to use an automatic one. I have to admit to some level of frustration though, with clays shooters who cannot remember to push their safety off before calling for a bird. Then, oftentimes, they expect to get that bird/pair over with no "Os" resulting from it. That is not a gun malfunction, that is a brain malfunction. SRH
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About removing the escutcheon from the stock--it is good to put the screw back into the escutcheon after the iron is removed, and gently wiggle the plate out using the screw, rather than tapping it out, to prevent chipping the stock.
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My target guns have no safeties as I load only when on station. Field guns do have safeties. The Ithaca Single Barrel Trap guns, with one or two exceptions, never had safeties.
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