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Good morning all I recently purchases a Francotte double it has a set of 12 gauge barrels and a set of 45-90 barrels. the receiver has A. Francotte Maker Patentee London the barrels say Von Lengerke Detmold U.S. Agents New York the flat on barrels say Francottes chokebore. I will supply pictures latter today.

Thanks Kurt

Kurt
Welcome to the site
Am looking forward to the pictures
Please include proof markings if possible
Like this

Mike

p.s. fun reading see here

http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos2.htm

and

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20francotte/a%20francotte%20gb.htm

thats sounds interesting mate, yes throw up some good clear pics,,
franc

Since it's a VL&D import, Griffin & Howe likely has the records. Contact Bob Beach. They're a great resource for guns imported by VL&D and Abercrombie & Fitch. They'll give you basic information for free, and a whole lot of interesting detail on who ordered it for a nominal fee.

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It appears to be a Francotte on the A&D Body Action of 1884/1885.
A&D Body Action U.S. of A. patent 172943 or 1876
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US172943.pdf

A&D Body Action U.S. of A. patent 327914 of 1885/British Patent 4292 of 1884
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US305264.pdf

But I wonder if Francotte had his own variation on the A&D Body Action and possibly if the date is 1892??? Also not that the patent stamp on the standing breech is inverted. I'm confident that August Francotte was Charles Daly's A&D satellite stamping station.


A. Francotte Patent encircling 1892

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Fun reading
http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.html

How do you know the rifle barrels are 45-90?

The rifle barrels have 45-90 stamped on the top rib, I am assuming the rifle barrels were built latter as they are sleeved shotgun barrels and have zero proof marks on them anywhere.

The watertable shows a X with a star above it, that leads me to believe that the gun was built between 37 and 64, if that is the case I cant believe it is not nitro proofed along with the lack of proof marks. I have been scouring the internet looking at pictures and I can not find another Francotte gun that looks the same.

thanks for the help, great information.

I think it was built in 1892 just before the enhanced proof of 1893.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse