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I can't enlarge the photos, and I'm not sure what an original Baker of this era should look like, but my first impression is that it's not a bad gun. The case color doesn't look like a torch job and the wood looks pretty good too. I might have to agree with Ed on this one.
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To be fair DrBob, there are plenty of dealers that have no experience with older doubles, nor care to gain any knowledge.
95% of their business is new guns or typical used stuff.
It's just another gun to be passed on at a profit.
They also happen to be the source of some good buys.
That said.... beware of guns with the barrel lump case colored.
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Case coloring and being badly re-done aside, at least it's a true auction starting at .01. There are examples on GB where the seller starts out a 2x the value of the gun for the opening bid, or there is a reserve (which I don't care to fool with) and the firearms sit there an languish for months on end. This one will sell for sure at the end to the high bidder. All auctions should start at .01 or $1 and see where it ends. Then you will get a true market value. I'm just glad for the knowledge here I have gleaned over the years to learn what is a good solid double and one that's been butchered.
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I agree Red, this dealer moves his stuff.
Rolls the dice and gets what he gets.
Pretty rare among the online auction dealers....
much rarer than the gun itself.
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If it stays low enough, then it would be worth the time for a hobbiest to restore it. I've picked up three Batavia Leaders that were worth it..Usually Gunbroker is where 10% guns are offered at 70%+ prices..Although I have bought several restoration guns that were started at a reasonable price.. No way that that is original, or properly redone case coloring.. Baker photos.. http://www.bakercollectors.com/index.php...eenres=1366-768http://www.bakercollectors.com/index.php...eenres=1366-768
Last edited by Ken61; 10/04/14 12:48 PM.
I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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Baker Gun & Forging Batavia  Baker Gun Co./ Folsom Batavia Leader  I believe the case colors on the OP gun are cyanide rather than torch, but could be wrong. Either way, Ed knows the colors in no way reproduce the original. This Richland has cyanide on the action body and torch colors on the sideplate 
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Ken,
Thanks for posting the second Batavia Leader pic link. As it's my gun, I was going to post the link before I realized you had already done it.
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Ken,
Thanks for posting the second Batavia Leader pic link. As it's my gun, I was going to post the link before I realized you had already done it.
Marcus Wonderful gun. I hope to be able to reproduce the case coloring, I'm nearly set up for it. I've got a set of BL twist barrels that I'm almost finished with. Are your barrels steel? It"s hard to tell from the pics. I trust that yours is a Folsom era gun? Regards Ken
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I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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I have collected and worked on vintage American double's for 45 years. What ever it is on the receiver it is not original to the gun. Terry
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looks pretty nice to me...
no fraud here that i see...
this gun is a batavia leader, which is as i recall is a product of the crescent company, who bought the baker name when it was offered for sale? case colors look to good to be original, but they could be in fact original, not that it means that much with crescent made guns.
No, ED. Folsom bought Baker. Baker still made the guns, not Crescent, which was also owned by Folsom. That's something I didn't know, Ken. I have read and also assumed that there had been a drop in quality after the Folsom acquisition. Would you disagree with that statement? Same maker, same quality? I guess if there was a drop in quality then it would have been a result of Folsom trying to reduce expenses at Baker. No idea if that was the case. I don't know much at all about Baker's, and I'm definitely not an expert at identifying every torch job. I usually look for circles and purples. I had also seen that particular auction. Reason I didn't follow it was that the colors did look funny, but I didn't know if they were original or not. I'd like to find a nice Baker 16 or 20. Only reason I didn't follow that auction is because I thought the colors were just down right ugly, original or not. 100% that's an ugly gun.
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