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Larry, what did you and Mark think about the innards of the Dickinson trigger plate action? Those of the predecessor S&W side-by-side looked well made in the SSM photo by SDH -- in the concluding article of his recent series on trigger plate guns -- and his comments were favorable. We gonna see a Dickinson article from you soon?
Jay
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No question you've got the edge there, Ted. You ever own a Petrik?? Got to play with a 20 gauge while in St. Etienne, that had too much drop and too much cast (going the wrong way for a lefty!) and while they are considered the bomb in Europe, I didn't see what all the fuss was about. Very light, kicked like a mule (stock configuration didn't help, but, the gun was probably 5 lbs) My Silver Snipe locks up just fine without the wiggly thing on the top. Bruchet will build you a new one. Talk to Geoffroy, he'll look into it if he isn't completely disgusted yet. Best, Ted
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I'd throw out that the real weakness of the SL is its wrist being oft too thin/fragile to sustain even a minor fall. Not saying that a BL stock's wrist cannot be broken from same, only that for some types of rough hunting that falls are not unknown & I'd consider that the BL has a slight advantage there even when both have long tangs. I have seen SL stocks cracked & even broken from being in a rack that was blown over on a concrete pad at a shoot when a freak tornadic wind gust came up. I am surprised that in seven pages of discussion there is but one mention of stocks cracking as a possible disadvantage and that was a ref to one of the older authors on the subject. I'm not speaking of cracks here though I've observered them more frequently in SL's than BL's that I've had and examined. I've seen stock wrists broken on both types of guns, but in today's world anyway, the SL buttstock is going to be a lot more expensive to repair or replace. Lots to be said for the old Broomie adage that Gunman mentions. Many a fine gun has been made to immitate what ostensibly is a W&S 700.
OTOH, wrists and all of it aside, a well made hammer gun just has a certain special kind of appeal & can be a lot of fun to both admire & use.
Its a Ford pick up or Cadillac kinda question, but fun just the same.
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Old Brummie adage . A good box lock is better than a cheap sidelock ". Educate me a bit, Mr. Englishman- what is a "Brummie" in your parlance. To me, being a member of the Mauser, Jan C. Still Luger and other Teutonic oriented gruppen-- it is slang for the C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser selbstlauter pistolen- auto- (self) loading pistol. If I had the Queen's fortune at my disposal, and could purchase any 12 bore ejector side-by-sdie game guns (why not a matched pair, ey wot?) they would be pre-War Boss- after that, Woodward, Churchill, Land and Powell. But I don't, so I shoot 12 bore LC Smiths- close enough, and the many birds that fall to them over a year's shooting (barn pigeons, crows, starlings, pheasants) don't seem to notice very much. Cheerio!!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Larry, what did you and Mark think about the innards of the Dickinson trigger plate action? Those of the predecessor S&W side-by-side looked well made in the SSM photo by SDH -- in the concluding article of his recent series on trigger plate guns -- and his comments were favorable. We gonna see a Dickinson article from you soon?
Jay Jay, looked like pretty good work. Nothing rough or anything of that nature. However, one problem is that the trigger pulls--which are heavy--can't be adjusted much because of the geometry of the sears. A review of the Dickinson will be published as a sidebar to an article on the current used shotgun market in Pointing Dog Journal. Per my notes, should be issue after next (May/June)
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Old Brummie adage . A good box lock is better than a cheap sidelock ". Educate me a bit, Mr. Englishman- what is a "Brummie" in your parlance. A "Brummie" is someone who comes from Birmingham (sometimes known as Brumagam!)
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Old Brummie adage . A good box lock is better than a cheap sidelock ". Educate me a bit, Mr. Englishman- what is a "Brummie" in your parlance. A "Brummie" is someone who comes from Birmingham (sometimes known as Brumagam!) I learn something new every day, many thanks!!
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I'd throw out that the real weakness of the SL is its wrist being oft too thin/fragile to sustain even a minor fall. Not saying that a BL stock's wrist cannot be broken from same, only that for some types of rough hunting that falls are not unknown & I'd consider that the BL has a slight advantage there even when both have long tangs. I have seen SL stocks cracked & even broken from being in a rack that was blown over on a concrete pad at a shoot when a freak tornadic wind gust came up. I am surprised that in seven pages of discussion there is but one mention of stocks cracking as a possible disadvantage and that was a ref to one of the older authors on the subject. I'm not speaking of cracks here though I've observered them more frequently in SL's than BL's that I've had and examined. I've seen stock wrists broken on both types of guns, but in today's world anyway, the SL buttstock is going to be a lot more expensive to repair or replace. Lots to be said for the old Broomie adage that Gunman mentions. Many a fine gun has been made to immitate what ostensibly is a W&S 700.
OTOH, wrists and all of it aside, a well made hammer gun just has a certain special kind of appeal & can be a lot of fun to both admire & use.
Its a Ford pick up or Cadillac kinda question, but fun just the same. Well those Holland double rifle sidelock stocks seem to hold, all the way to .700NE  best, Mike
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Most of the cracks seen in sidelocks are behind the locks. You'll see that fairly frequently on LC Smiths. That being said, it's not unusual to see boxlocks that are also cracked where the head of the stock meets the action. That's obviously a weak point.
No question that sidelocks, in general, are more expensive to restock.
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[quote=L. Brown]Most of the cracks seen in sidelocks are behind the locks. You'll see that fairly frequently on LC Smiths. That being said, it's not unusual to see boxlocks that are also cracked where the head of the stock meets the action. That's obviously a weak point.
Behind the lock cracks could have also started at the head with a sidelock. When repairing cracks in sidelocks if the locks are snug with the crack open in it's present state I don't pull it back together after glueing. It is probably a wood schrinkage crack which is probably the cause with older sidelocks.
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