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While the engraving is somewhat odd I have no difficulty believing all is original and as it left the factory. There is definitely two different qualities of engraving, premium on the forend fastener and the barrel underlug, which I cannot explain. But the clincher for me for originality, is the border engraving on the Locks, barrels, action, and around the toplever screw flows together and appears to be of the same hand. I would have expected more engraving on the locks but wonder if this gun wasn't a prototype or some other "one off" edition. It just seems "right". I do think the price estimates are way on the high side. If there were a active collector market for Scotts then variations might warrant significantly higher prices but alas, there are none similar to what some American makes have gathered. It is a nice early Scott that probably has a lot of shooting life left in it.

Joe,

I think the problem with estimating too cheap is it underestimates the low end of the market. If it looks pretty and shoots, its always worth around $1500-$2000. New or old, Belgian, Spanish, English, Austrian, German, whatever. Many people have that kind of money to spend and people buy a lot of stuff in that price range. Something that is unique will drive a price higher. Put another way, is this gun in current condition an even trade for a MSRP $2300-$2800 soulless Beretta 686 silver pigeon off the assembly line? Yes, most would say it is.

As to Scott collectors, there are many and there are entire groups of shotgun vintagers that only shoot "odd patent guns": horatio side levers, Lang underlevers, fake hammered internal sidelocks, duckbilled crystal window guns, drop locks,etc. Weird guns create additional interest.

We'll see what the auction brings.

The only way to find out what it's worth is to have a penny auction with no reserve. A reserve set high just to see what the bidding will be only discourages potential buyers from participating.

I don't know what this is doing for Jared but it's educational for me. Thanks

Jared - Joe has given it to you straight on all counts. Believe him.

No need to toss it. You could save a lot of time and energy by clearing it out at a cool grand and move on.

Also, you keep stressing the gun's untouched, unrestored condition. In so doing I think you are flashing a blind eye to the fact that someone took a Brillo pad to the sideplates at one point in its 125 year history, probably sometime in the past decade.

Honestly, the only feature of solid note is its novelty. The condition is fair bordering on poor. You seem to have gone overboard with your amorous feelings for the gun, something I'd bet nearly everyone on this board has done at one time or another. It's a common condition with these vintage guns. You need to get a little distance from it and perhaps look at a lot of other old doubles.

I make no implications that it is a high original condition gun, only that it is a solid original condition gun that I personally would not insult with a restoration being partial or whole. I know some collectors/shooters like a restored vintage double. I am not one of them. I have been collecting everything from American doubles, German handguns, Winchester Lever guns, and even vintage class 3 weapons for quite a while and am pretty sure I know what an original 125 year old gun is supposed to look like. I don't like "fluffed" vintage guns and can usually spot one a long way off regrdless of the quality of the redo.
I do not see any signs of steel wool cleaning although there is only light traces of case color. I am certainly not trying to overstate its condition or value, but I think some of you are trying to over PHOTO ANYLYZE the shotgun.
As far as distancing myself from the gun it is already back in the vault in the back row. I do thank all who have participated in this thread for there thoughts and opinions.
JJV

JJV

Ignore HoJO's bs, in all of his many, many posts there is a very small amount of useful info...He takes pleasure in running other people and their guns into the ground, but sometimes he unintentionally adds something good to the discussion...I also have a quad Scott(Joe, I already know its not up to your high standards)Here are pics of mine, I got it somewhere in the 700 dollar range but was tickled to get it for study. The stock has been spliced to raise the comb but thats why it was cheaper...

couple more pics

Very nice. Is the serial anywhere close to mine? Looks like 5734 but can't be sure?

Well said, Reb, you are soooo correct.