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I copied the definition of antique (antiques aren't considered firearms) from the BATF website. I would agree that replicas require shipping to an FFL unless it meets one of the two criteria listed in the definition - either (1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. Didn't know some dealers were treating all replicas as antiques not requiring delivery to a FFL.

You may wish to do your own photos and not Cabelas,the photos belong to them,even if it is your gun.That's why you see their logo in a lot of the listings to prevent any fraud....They could claim a percentage if sold?

Pre-1899 manufactured rifles are considered antiques, even if they use currently available cartridges. As an example, Ludwig Lowe marked M95 Chilean 7x57 Mausers are officially classified as antiques by the BATF because Lowe was absorbed into DWM prior to 1899 and the Lowe markings were then no longer used on actions.

Post-1898 manufactured replicas are an entirely different question. They certainly are not antiques based on the pre-1899 manufacture qualification.

Note that the pre-1899 manufacture qualification continues to "stand-alone" in current BATF documentation. It is sufficient in and of itself.

I agree that this rifle is technically an antique by federal rule. That is despite the fact that it has been recently rebuilt and is functionally the same as something like a Ruger No.1 in .45-70, which is a caliber you can probably buy at Walmart.

The question is: does this federal definition protect someone as a seller from differing state and local laws? As I said in an earlier post, I don't have the slightest interest in litigating something that can be so easily cured. It seems to me that the safest (and only) option is delivery to an FFL who is familiar with the local requirements in his jurisdiction.

I am not in business and I have not sold much out of state, a couple of actions this year. Both were shipped to the buyer in care of the FFL of his choosing. Why is that a problem? Why do people think that makes the rifle worth less? I am probably going to be hammered for saying this, but I don't really want to sell a firearm to anyone who can't pass the background check. We do exactly the same thing in person, I don't think most people here would sell a gun to someone they thought was a criminal or mentally unstable. So why is this an issue with my listing?

Some folks just don't want their firearm info available to the authorities OR the public. It's not a matter of passing a background check, it's more a matter of not knowing what may happen in the future. Remember, the authorities in 1920s/30s Germany had all sorts of seemingly logical law-abiding reasons for everyone to register their guns, with all sorts of promises that no one would lose anything.

I think we all remember what happened then.

In addition, the info is also available to the local gunshop hangers-on, some of whom WILL gossip about the valuable guns that old Joe is just BOUND to have squirreled away (grin). Some of this gossip may reach the ears of burglars, politicians and other lowlifes....

All in all, I personally much prefer as little notoriety as possible.
Regards, Joe