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Does anyone know where i can obtain a trigger plate for a Baltimore Arms Co, SxS shotgun?
This gun is 16 gauge, Grade "A" and should have BALTIMORE ARMS CO stamped lengthwise, on the front part of the trigger plate.
Thanks.
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That may well be just short of impossible. I know there are differences between the trigger plates of the 1902 Model and 1904 Model in 12-gauge Baltimore Arms Co. guns. Don't know about the 1900 Models as I've never owned one. All the 16-gauge Baltimore Arms Co. guns I've recorded are 1902 Models. With only about 6000 Baltimore Arms Co. guns made, and a small percentage in 16-gauge, you will need a lot of luck.
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Do you need the trigger plate only, or do you need the triggers etc, too ? My "parts" gun is a 12 ga, and I am not aware if the receivers are of similar size. I do know that Baltimore parts, in my experience , are fairly easy to interchange.
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All width and height dimensions of my 16-gauge, 1902 Model, B-Grade, are about 3/32 inch smaller then my comparable 12-gauge Baltimore Arms Co. guns.
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Dave is your 16 the early or late model. I was hoping we might have a fit, maybe like Ithaca where the size difference seems to be the firing pin locations, but the "bottom" of the receivers are the same.
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How about the screw hole spacings: (1) distance between the two screws through the front part of the trigger plate, and (2)the distance lengthwise between the two front holes and the front trigger guard threaded hole?
If the screw hole spacings are different as well, then there is no hope of adapting a 12 gauge trigger plate to a 16 gauge receiver.
I do have a complete 1904 gun, which has a trigger plate that is slightly wider at the front end and has two small "lobes" on either side at the front. However, the screw hole spacings, mentioned above, are the same. Therefore, a (my) 1904 plate could be made to fit a (my) 1902 type gun, in 16 gauge.
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I dug out my old beater 16-gauge and did some comparisons with a 12-gauge. It appears to my pair of dividers that while the receiver is filed down much narrower, that the trigger plates and screw hole spacing is the same.
As an aside, has anyone seen a 16-gauge Baltimore Arms Co. with a 1904 style frame?
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My Complete 16 gage Baltimore, has a trigger plate as you illustrated in Figure 11 of your 02/1997 article in "The Gun Report".
However, the trigger plate milled cut in the receiver with the missing plate is slightly tapered as it goes forward, without the two lobes on either side of the front. I believe that this is the distinction that you refer to as Model 1902 and 1904. Please correct me if I am missing something. Both of these are "A " Grade.
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What I refer to as the 1904 Models have the head of the stock inletted into rebates at the top and the bottom of the frame. 1902 16-gauge B-Grade --  1904 12-gauge D-Grade ==  Very strange A-Grade 16-gauge -- ?!? 
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My error. The "lobed" trigger plate, that is otherwise identical with the earlier 1902, must just represent a varient in the 1902. I see the distinction that you are making as the 1904.
The "Very strange A-Grade 16-gauge -- ?!?" is the gun that i want to replace the trigger plate on. It also looks like our carpet, so maybe i sent you pictures of it, along with various other people, trying to decide what I was looking at, a couple of years ago.
The gun has steel barrels with good bores, a very well made replacement butt stock and a Baltimore receiver with a REPLACED trigger plate. It is made in two pieces, "attached" in tension by the dolls head. Otherwise the carefully fitted front piece is not attached to the trigger section, and the trigger section is held only by the two screws down from the top tang. The trigger assembly is not Baltimore quality at all, although it works. I would send you photos of these parts, but do not know how to attach them to this message.
This gun is fun to shoot with lite loads, looks good, but is weak as above. Therefore, I would like to replace this makeshift assembly with a proper Baltimore trigger plate and assembly.
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