Can anyone elaborate on the type of action Heym sideplated boxlocks used.
Were they sourced from Sauer? Was it a 8E type action or the better ( model XIV)action with overhanging and safety sears?
Thank you,
Best Regards,
JBP

Have you any images? I'd hazard a guess it was more than likely a Kerner-Anson Body Action or the A&D Body Action w/ overhanging scears:

Axel E's opinion on the origin:

"This is Emil Kerner's improvement on the Anson and Deeley boxlock. By relocating the sear detents from the bottom of the hammers to the rear tops, as far away from the fulcrum as possible, Kerner greatly reduced the pressure the detents have to hold. The improved leverage makes secondary intercepting sears unnecessary. Simson/BSW incorporated Kerner's top-hinged sears into their boxlocks in the 1930s. Since then these sears became the Suhl industry standard. All post-WW2 Simson and Merkel boxlocks feature Kerner's sears. Barthold's "Jagdwaffenkunde", the GDR time textbook for gunmaker apprentices, show no other boxlock design."

Gebrauchsmuster - DRGM - 531992 - Vom Schlossblech unabhängiges Nachspannschloss. Ernst Kerner, Suhl - Me thinks this just might be the culprit????


Is it similar to the 410 SxS:

http://www.dogsanddoubles.com/2013/04/a-heck-of-a-nice-shotgun-a-410-side-by-side-by-f-w-heym/

na zdravje,

Raimey
rse

If similar to the export example, I'd guess a basic A&D Body Action:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/72/2302/heym-f-w--double-barrel

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

J.B. Patton,
Generally, Heym would use their own actions. Most any action can be "side plated", upon request of the customer(with appropriate price adjustment). This work was(is)usually "farmed out" to a local gunsmith, who often had a "daytime job" at the factory, or had previously worked there. My old German gunsmith friend often did this type work for Heym( post War). In fact, he did the sideplates on the Ruger #1, Heym built up for John Amber, and was reported on in Gun Digest. He also was able to convert existing guns( O/U and SxS) to sidelock, and from shotgun to combo gun or double rifle. Consequently, it is possible to find several different configurations of guns, all starting with the same basic action. The Engraving on such a special order gun would be "farmed out" to a well known outside engraver.
Mike

Thanks Mike,
So more than likely, did Heym ( pre war) normally use a basic A&D action similar to a basic German Sauer action sans the overhanging sears , and just add the engraved side plates ? I guess my real question is : did Heym ever use the higher quality model 14 or Lindner type actions? Is there anyway to ascertain other than removing the side plates and examining the action/ sear locations?
Best Regards,
JBP

J.B.Patton,
Check the links above, posted by Raimey. In the one with the 410, note the top of the action on the side, has a screw showing. This indicates that it has hanging, interrupting, sears. Then note that on the sideplated 12 ga. you can't see such a screw. However, the sideplate is high enough that it could hide the screw, if it also has hanging sears. To know for sure, remove the sideplate( use well fitting screwdrivers and be careful of splitting off wood around the sideplate).
Mike