For the noted liberal mouthpieces that frequent Misfires....

If a muslim barber refuses to cut the hair of a gay person due to the muslim's religious convictions, whose side does the liberal take?

Let the liberal heads start spinning.

GaryW, you may drive our resident libtards nuts with that one. Kind of like putting them in a round room and tell them to piss in a corner.

Maybe a round room is a source of comfort. They start walking along a wall so they feel like they're keeping busy, and convince themselves that there's no time to waste on this one.

If you wanna create a real hard paradox, you've gotta try a bit harder. This one has at least three easy and logical solutions.

UPD: as I'm not sure when I'm gonna visit this site again, I'll give the answers right away:

1) side with neither, because, in a perfect society, the situation would not be a problem any more than a buddhist's refusal to taste a meat course is. The muslim has the right to a faith, and the gay is free to take his business elsewhere;

2) in an IMperfect society, if one of the groups is priviledged and the other is oppressed, side with the oppressed, no matter which it is;

3) if you HAVE to pick one, and all other things are equal, think about this: a creed is a matter of choice, homosexuality is an physiological condition over which the individual has no control. You can stop being a muslim (christian, buddhist, atheist, etc.), but you can't stop being gay. That makes these groups pretty much not the same.

In USA it is give a haircut or pay a big fine.

In all probability, the Muslim Barber would use his straight razor to behead the gay customer, and the Liberals would increase taxes to erect a memorial while they completely ignored the crime committed by the Muslim. The death would be written off as workplace violence, and be blamed on white privilege. All white Barbers would be required to attend sensitivity training classes which would of course require a dramatic increase in the cost of licensing the Barber.

Most likely answer.

Truer words never said, Humpty Dumpty. Thank you.

You are one of the noted Libtard mouthpieces that frequent Misfires King. Why don't you take a stab at the question? Or is your head spinning too fast?

A case could be made that these words are true, but the truth is, logic doesn't matter HD. All the facts and reasoning in the world won't change the feelings of some.

Take your homosexuality 'logical' solution for example. If there is an inability to stop being gay and no physiological control over it, then, the exact same is concluded about heterosexualuality. Opinion polls, planned parenthood's business model and the scientific community are all in agreement of where babies come from.

You claim there is 'choice' for some. Where in all of recorded history has radical islam 'chose' to reach across any aisle. The only thing that has ever slowed or stopped ideological islam is the confrontation by a superior force. In all of history, anywhere that extremist islam wants to be or do, it does if there is weakness. Please explain where it has 'chose' otherwise, not theories.

I don't know how it is in Russia now, but in not so distant past muslim could kick gay in the ass and then Russian would kick Muslim in the ass. Problem solved. In America you have to put on a big smiley face and say thank you very much for your patronage please come again.

One thing you 'guys' don't understand, and seemingly never will, is that there is 'centre' ground. You will never see, or worse yet...consider...anyone else’s point of view, other than your own, or that, of your political party of choice. That is why you only have a two party system....either left leaning...or right leaning....either 'a' flag is flown everywhere....or no where...either we buy any kind of gun, or no guns at all....you MUST follow the anti statism policy…..or you’re a sociopathic socialist....end of story.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would I ever meet such a bunch of racist, close minded group of people. Luckily I spent the weekend with some great level headed Americans, that I broke bread with, and would consider them my friends. That is the thread I hang on, and hope ‘they’ prevail in their ability to reason.

Fortunately, I'm a Canadian, and just don't have the ability to be just like you. I also have a passport and travelled to twenty-two countries, and seen a bit of the world...outside MY window. May God bless you all...as you’re going to need it.

So....start the bashing.

Don.

P.S - The opposite of my first sentance would be...is that there IS no centre ground...you MUST be on one side OR the other. Which I believe is called...being closed minded.

Hey dal, what does 'centre' mean, your choice?

After that, maybe it's fortunate that you are Canadian. You sound a bit intolerant, and not so good, you break bread with like minded people. Dust off the ole passport and visit country number twenty-three, the US.

Just answer the question dal, if your head isn't spinning almost as fast as King Brown's. Surely you know King. He's the most connected guy in Canada, and he's pals with John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King too. Sounds like your kind of people.

Anyone who is licensed, or has a registered business, cannot refuse service under the Human rights act. Just like Muslim taxi drivers cannot refuse to take service dogs, or doctors refuse services to gays, or gay hairdressers refusing service to a woman.....get it?

In your private life, you can spend time with, or without, whom ever you wish. Your probably the kind of guy that would not take the blood from a Muslim donor, and would rather die, even though he or she was kind enough to give it to such a sorry ass as yourself.

Oh, here's a question for you then....Would you let your dying child take blood from a Muslim, or rather watch them die?
Who’s head is spinning now!

Centre, is Canadian for center.

Just came back from the U.S.....that's where I met those Americans most unlike yourself. See, I'm able to discard the chaff from the wheat, and not just throw out the whole bushel.

What countries in the world have you visited? Which ones did you like?

D.

Sorry ass, head spinning?, hope that's not how you folks talk at the dinner table.

What if your daughter was getting married, and you go to the best baker in town. You try to discuss the details, but the person's mind is not on your cake order. You find out it's because that baker is making their own arrangements for gender reassignment surgery. Do you force them to bake, or shake the guys hand and agree to take this job elsewhere and maybe come back when the baker's focus is on the job. Hey, hang on, there's a premade cake in the frig, you can buy that one, if you want.

What if a heart surgeon is evaluating a patient for a delicate surgery. The personalities clash. The surgeon can do the technical aspects of the surgery, but he feels he can not focus enough to give the procedure his best judgement. Do you force him to cut into a chest. Do you tell that patient to pull the race or gender card and sue, if they refer to another doc?

Blood? I donate now and then admittedly not regularly. My wife or a kid of mine needs blood, that's fine. YOU seem to be the guy that's worried about 'all'. I know it's 'some', but it's NOT the lone wolf. There's no doubt in my mind that radical islam, as a prejudged, profiled group, is an enemy.

What if a Canadian radical islamist who has been a vocal activist for incorporating shria law into the laws of your province. He gets into a shoot out with police and comes into YOUR emergency room. He needs some rare blood type that's not in the bank, but you know who can donate some. Do you announce out loud someone get nurse Weinstein and ask if she'll donate, or do you talk to her quietly on the side so you don't offend the patient. Clocks ticking, his life is on the line.

Back to 'centre'. I don't care how it's spelled. How come the center is where YOU feel like it is. Instead of calling someone a sorry ass, why don't you tolerate them telling YOU where the 'centre' is. Is that fair, can you control that spinning feeling in your head and overcome intolerance, or does it have to be YOUR way.

Not surprised you never answered the question.

What if the Islamic terrorist on his death bed, had a life saving kidney for your wife, on her's?

I would donate the blood by the way, let him go to court, and let justice have its way with him.

Yes all good questions/moral delemas.

Center is where you can disagree with some, but not hate the rest. Center is where I may have an ideology, but I’m willing to look into others to see value. Why do we bomb the crap out of places then walk in and set up medical units and rebuild the cities, schools, infrastructure, etc.? Once the radicals are gone, don’t we help the center thinking people that are left?
Radical Islam is not center, radical Christianity is not center. Radical left wing'ers are not center, and radical right wing'ers are not center. Center is an open mind, where left and right ideals can be appreciated and put to good use.

Your right, center is where 'one' see's it. I guess most of the industrialized world sees it differently than some of you guys here.

Yes, they did try to get sharia law put into use, but they were denied. Then the government also removed the use of Jewish law (not sure what it’s called) also. So we’re down to just one law, Ontario law. Funny, because Jewish groups backed the Islam’s bid to get sharia law into the system. Kind’a backfired on them.
D.

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"Radical Islam is not center, radical Christianity is not center. Radical left wing'ers are not center, and radical right wing'ers are not center. Center is an open mind, where left and right ideals can be appreciated and put to good use.

Please define "radical Christianity" for us. I have never heard that term before and the only thing that come to mind is fundamentalist.?
Jim

It's not my way, but when you say open mind, what if I call you a sorry ass, and your head is spinning so much, you're not willing to look at other ideas. That's got to be a least half as good as your, I notice the lines drawn, side.

I'm not surprised that you deflect away from my question. A pint of blood is a pint of blood, a kidney is a kidney. All that matters is that it was obtained legally, medically indicated and used properly. No, I doubt we'd ever be able to track the donor, yes, my wife or kid can have the kidney. I repeat yes.

What you don't seem to want to address, is that it's NOT donor blood or organs when it's still in the donor. I don't care if you would donate blood to a radical islamic terrorist, all I was asking was that if you would let him hear that the donor had a jewish sounding name, or would you cut through the headaches and not let him know. Doesn't matter what the courts do with him later, are you going to sit there and argue the merits of the proper blood type match if he's going ballistic because he over heard you mention the ethnicity of the donor.

To Libtards like dal, Radical Christians are those who... gasp!... want to save the lives of unborn babies who are developed to the point of sucking their thumbs in the womb, and perhaps even being able to live outside the womb.

The good "centre" thinking folks would rather harvest tissue and organs fron these babies, and profit handsomely from aborting them.

If I may need a transfusion for elective surgery, I would prefer to make donations of my own blood for autologus transfusions. If I am in an accident and need blood now, chances are I am in no condition to ask or worry about who donated it. I'd be more concerned later that it came from someone who had Hep C or HIV suppressed by taxpayer funded protease inhibitor drug therapy. The religion of the donor would be of no concern to me.

So dal is trying to tell us that any licensed professional... even a devout Catholic Ob-Gyn in a Catholic Hospital, could not legally refuse to provide an abortion to some heathen who "chooses" to abort her baby. Or a Muslim Doctor who strongly believed that swine are filthy could not refuse to put a pig valve in another Muslims heart... or even in his own daughter's heart. Wait a minute, he could just call it an honor, or "honour" killing, and Libtards would look the other way.

craigd, I think "Centre" is wherever dal chooses, and the rest of us will be forever tainted with the stain of whatever hateful moniker he wishes to tar us with. Did I just end a sentence with a preposition? So from one greedy hateful, racist, misogynist to another... a big so what? Does this all sound vaguely familiar? Looks like the replacement for the filthy lying hypocrite from Nova Scotia has arrived in Misfires.

I think those are the Christian who endure getting maimed, tortured and murdered by radical islamics for their faith. It's not the one hour a week christians who tune out issues that are in someone else' neighborhood, and have no idea why they support secular progressives.

Radical Christianity could be discussed six days to Sunday, Jim. Radical in its original meaning to get to the root of. The waxing and waning of American evangelism alone has mutated from divisive notions of the Second Coming, apocalypticism, pre- and postmillennialism, dissent from liberal optimism, the end days of progress followed by the Anti-Christ, an atheist empire, Woodrow Wilson's plans for international governance to help the Devil on his way, and on and on. Apocalypticism isn't natural to evangelicalism, which wants to remake society to form a new nation. It's all rooted in myriad fundamentalist philosophies, religiosity of particular beliefs. No political philosophy is mentioned in the New Testament.

OK. You guys win.

Best wishes,
Don.

Hey Jim, I know you are one of the smarter ones here because you IGNORE King's brain dead posts. But you gotta see this stupid answer to your question.



If King wrote like this when he was a world famous journalist on par with Morley Safer and Peter Jennings... not to mention Lyin' Brian Williams... especially Lyin" Brian Williams... then it's a good thing he quit before they fired him.

Awww c'mon dal. Stick around. You can be a quitter like King and still act like you were Pulitzer Prize caliber... or is it calibre?

Warm regards (a bit of faux civility, a la King Brown)

keith

All conservative and liberal Christians "support secular progressives" with consciences strengthened by the gospels.

Well Keith:
I guess this explains it. Brown is a closet Pentecostal who has clearly demonstrated he has the ability to speak in "tongues"! I doubt if a host of competent translators could come up with a meaningful interpretation of the gooblygook he posted.
IMO: The Germans could have dispensed with the Enigma machine during WW II with a couple of Brown's as substitutes.
Jim

I love misfires!

And golf...

And alchohol...

And tobacco...

Sex....and a gazillion other things!


dal.."this ain't no place for kids" (Ryan Bingham)

I wonder how Rook is doing? Hope he is well.

(Sandra Gal is crazy hot)



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Sambuca!

rook hudson?

I really get a kick when some pseudo-elitist who attempts to portray himself as "Centrist" (and oh-so superior) gets hammered for his inability to support his own positions and then resorts to naming everybody else "Haters". Another waste of oxygen.

"Please define 'radical Christianity' for us. I have never heard that term before and the only thing that come to mind is fundamentalist.?
Jim"

Since Jim, a Christian, never heard of the term outside of fundamentalism, I provided radical Christian belief in American Evangelism alone, with all the twists and turns of a soap opera.

Apolitical fundamentalism was dropped in the 40s for Evangelicalism, promoting conservative Christian values through political activism as exhibited regularly in Misfires.

For all the talk of separation of church and state, radical Christianity will significantly influence your 2016 electoral outcome. It is affecting it now. Members are alluding to it.

Christianity is powerfully conflicted, as all the others.

What do you think Religious Statism is? It is clearly Apocalyptic. That is one of the major tenets used to indoctrinate its beliefs. The obvious example, but it can really be applied to virtually all aspects of its sociopathic dogma, is Man-Made Climate Change. Clearly an absurd bit of faith-based dogma that relies on Apocalypticism to convince people to believe in it.

It all seems blue ruin, eh? The oceans are rising, animals are disappearing, it's getting hotter, the world succumbing to greed, liberalism gaining, tradition drifting away like driven smoke. We might as well piss on the fire and call the dog. We must believe in something so tomorrow I'm going to sink a fly and minnow to 20 feet and catch a 19-inch wild brook trout.

Boy ken, you love the words statism, and sociopathic...is that all you got? Your clearly an unintellectual person. You are so clearly full of it.

Have you ever been on a debating team? I'm sure you were, that's why you take anything someone says, against your dogma, to the n'th degree.

Why not just keep on point?

D.

To you King, only to you. Freedom will eventually win out.

'Freedom will eventually win out.'

Freedom of what? Freedom to allow America to drain into the abyss? Your already half way there. Just look around you for God's sake.

Open your eyes. Just because you can see the computor screen, doesn't mean your not blind!

D.

Is unintellectual even a word? I guess it is now.

It seems you consider yourself an intellectual. I would agree if we use the definition of an intellectual as being someone who is educated above and beyond their intelligence. Oh, by the way Mr. Intellectual, you keep misusing the word "your". It should be "you're clearly an unintellectual person." If you're going to act superior... at least play the part. Just sayin'.

Well...I guess I have to agree with you Keith. Nice catch.

D.

See here man, will you open your eyes. This is clearly the secular wing of radical christianity, not your run of the mill radical christians.

Isn't this a bit like saying, only a hundred and fifty-some shopping days until Christmas. With so little time until '16, should the radical misfirer work on their beheading technique or their female mutilation?

Egad, the things we ignore to pretend we're worldly. We must eat the flesh of the mythical Brook trout to transfer it's mighty power, or you never caught one, because it didn't happen without a picture.

craigd, have you seen the recent Geico commercial with the fisherman who did battle for seven hours with a ten inch bluegill that he exaggerated into being longer than his boat? I have no doubt that King Brown can tell a bigger whopper than that. We see him do it on a regular basis.

Maybe when he cleans his catch, he can add Jonah to his list of imaginary friends.

True, I relate topics to their philosophical basis. Statist beliefs and dogma that are sociopathically inflicted on others against their will is a main point of mine. This is because that Statist indoctrination is only possible if the person has the faith-based belief that there is no such thing as individual freedom and equality. To have this belief, one must either totally discount or disregard the existence of the American Constitution, which was designed to prevent Religious Statism.

Not understanding the actual philosophy behind topics, and then calling people who do "unintellectual" (absurd, it's anti-intellectual) is very amusing, and actually illustrates my points.

You usually follow the pattern of the typical religious reactions of "Denial, Dismissal, and Demonization".

FYI - I'm pretty much an atheist, and think that human nature will be the cause for the dimise of human kind....not some god.

D.

I believe you're referring tangentially, Ken, to the golden years of "republican theology" of building a Christian society where liberty is the guiding principle, intent of the founding fathers.

Correct me again if I'm wrong, this progressive religious vision became a national ideology: humanity could perfect itself with public enlightenment. And this in turn transformed into strong reaction to liberal progress.

The history is certainly a confusing narrative. I think of it when I read your posts concerning liberty and individual freedom, as set out by the founding fathers, within a context of remaking a society centuries later.

Radical Islamists have notions of how to do this with the sword. I believe you and I wonder if it's possible to remake a society freely, without callous manipulation, as intended with a ballot.

It all seems religious, statist etc to me.

I'm pretty much an Agnostic. Whenever I have discussions with Fundamentalist Christians they usually call me an Atheist. Human Nature is very much the point, as a significant part of it is the assertion of Dominance over others, in order to benefit oneself. If the dominance asserted is against the other person's will it becomes Sociopathic. It is this involuntary infliction upon others that is the point, particularly when it becomes government policy. Since the morality that rationalizes this infliction is that individuals are not equal, it is clearly a faith-based religious belief, consequentially unconstitutional according to the "Establishment Clause" of the Constitution. This is the purpose of the Constitution, to constrain these types of people from using the power of government to inflict their sociopathic religious beliefs on others against their will. This is what has been circumvented by Religious Statists, who have been successful in replacing the American morality of individual freedom and equality with the Statist/Marxist/Totalitarian morality of Religious Statism.

It is not "Republican Theology", but American Ideology. Based on Constitutional Freedom and Equality. What has happened is that individuals who have been inflicted upon against their will have been denied any Right to Self-Defense.

This illustrates my point, it is John Quincy Adams (Anthony Hopkins) closing argument before the Supreme Court in the Amistad case. Of course the case specifics dealt with physical slavery, but in principle can be applied to any type of slavery, including the Statist Neoslavery that America is now being subjected to. Perhaps one of my favorite movie scenes.

https://www.awesomestories.com/asset/view/John-Quincy-Adams-Argument-in-Amistad-Case

If you listen closely to the speech, you'll understand why America today can be considered the "New Confederacy".

Ok:
And I'll present the key elements to those who are agnostic or atheist. If the universe wasn't created by some intelligent being just where and how did it come about**?
What is the purpose of the universe and why are we here?
I spent over 30 years as a professed atheist myself before coming to the realization that it was an empty belief.
I will move this to a new thread if you prefer.
Jim

** The Big Bang theory adequately explains the beginning of the universe to me but where did the initial "particle" come from?

All? Your muslim is heavily invested in racism, misogyny and ethnic cleansing, and is willing to pay the price. Your radical right wing Christian is willing to be the most generous donor to needy charities in all the US. Your useful left wing voter who counts on talking point sound bites to sink in by osmosis, has no skin in the game.

Good for you D. I heard this question brought up elsewhere and I think JimM brought a version of it on a different thread.

Sooner or later you will be done with this world and then, atheism won't matter in the slightest bit. At the point that your wife and kids die, it'd be great if you could answer, do you hope that you are right or wrong about atheism?

It is not a question of humanity perfecting itself. It is a matter of the prevention of sociopaths gaining control of the government and using it's power to inflict themselves on others. It is the "Age-Old Battle Against Those Who Would Enslave Us".

One Liberal who calls himself a Centrist (dal) says we are draining into the abyss.

Another Liberal who says he has never voted Liberal )the big liar King Brown) says we are becoming more liberal and are better for it.

I'd agree with dal that we're draining into the abyss. But it isn't because of strict adherence to our Constitution.

craigd, you could get a definitive answer about atheism from King right now because he is obviously already brain dead. Look around you King. There's a 21 inch trout on the line for every cast, and you are the greatest civil rights activist, woodlot manager, and reporter who ever lived. You make award winning wine. You are surrounded by rich and powerful luminaries who seek out your wise counsel.

This must be Heaven, right? In fact, about the only thing missing from the Great King Brown's resume is him being the messiah. King is proof that mental patients are allowed access to computers in Canadian mental hospitals.

All this talk of atheists and agnostics done gimmied a serious case ' o the fantods. (though it could be the two pitchers of beer we had with lunch) Wish Drew would get down here and spin some of that Gurnall magic.




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Age-old indeed and why I refer to it as the punk's game, not wanting to denigrate those who think they can change it but consider it as impossible.

So I posited to you:

"I believe you and I wonder if it's possible to remake a society freely, without callous manipulation, as intended with a ballot."

Am I correct?

The perils of Democracy are well known. It disintegrates into Mob Rule. That's why America is a Constitutional Republic. Now, since the Constitution is not being adhered to, the degradation, or de-evolution is accelerating.

Lets see if I understand this. We have posters here who claim to the agnostics and/or atheists. Yet none of them can explain how the universe began without the intervention of a supreme being? Just what the hell do you base your beliefs on then? The universe sprung up all by itself?
I just love calling bluffs!
Jim

Oh please.

Agnostic means you don't believe until you've seen it yourself, or it has been proven to your satisfaction. I'm open to all possibilities. What is certain is that when I die one of two things will happen. Consciousness will continue on some level, and I'll be pleasantly surprised, or it will end, and I won't know the difference.

Where did he come from? Yes, it's a rhetorical question.

Just because you cannot understand why or how something happened...does not mean you just make something up. Particularly a system where woman are relagated to a lesser statis, and gold is given to the high priests. Sounds pretty fishy to me.

I'm sure early man, and woman, saw asteroids in the night sky...then started to prey and sacrifice to them. We know better now. Well some of us do.

If you do not understand how something happened(origin of the universe) as an example we're discussing and can't explain it that's called accepting a belief on faith. I do not pretend to understand God or be able to really explain a supreme being nor does any other Christian that I know and that's why this is referenced as a faith based religion.
So how does my faith based religion differ from whatever you happen to believe but can't explain or don't understand?
Jim

'So how does my faith based religion differ from whatever you happen to believe but can't explain or don't understand?'

It doesn't...but I don't hold it against others like some do...big difference.

So Jehovah witnesses come to my door a couple times a year (god bless them), usually with a younger person. They ask questions etc. then I ask 'if I don't believe in god...what happens to me? They say, well you’re going to hell (in a nice enough way). Then I say that god created us...they agree...I say god gave us each a brain...They agree...then I say god gave us the ability to make choices in life...they agree....then I say, so if I choose not to believe in God, I'm going to hell....they agree....so then I say, so that really means we have no choice....they go hmmmm...then I say it's like Henry Ford saying, you can have any color of car you want sir, as long as it's black. The young person looks at the other for guidance. I bid them a nice day, and god bless.

D.

If everything is trivial and equivalent, there must be good reason that the founding documents are barely worth the paper that they're written on.

I asked dal a bit ago, similar thought here. You've mentioned instilling a very different value system in your two boys than how the lefties want them to believe and behave. What's the point? The goal in life should just be to accumulate pleasure, because it all ends sooner or later.

It should be easily provable that religion, particularly the faith component, affects so much of our average lives, let alone world events even if someone tries not to participate in matters of faith. It's certainly much more concrete than evolutionary theories, yet faith in evolutionary theories meet some degree of satisfaction.

Maybe, not all 'religion' is equal and it's smart to put belief and faith in the creator that endowed US rights. Other countries and their citizens can put their faith in their leaders, spokespersons, courts, idols or their oppressors.

Maybe, it's too bad that they give up so easily. Clearly, you're talking about worldly choices that go poof and vanish with your last breath. Clearly, they are talking about the hope that your loved ones have the faith that there's something more than what you're saying there is.

I'll reiterate a point. It is the resulting subjective morality of any belief system that is important, not the basis of the belief. People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they don't inflict their beliefs on others against their will.

"...as long as they dont inflict their beliefs on others against their will."

How did you square that belief with a career in the military?

"Consciousness will continue on some level, and I'll be pleasantly surprised..."

What makes you believe you'll be 'pleasantly surprised'? Is it possible you will be un-pleasantly surprised?



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Hmmmm. War is certainly an infliction. It's a matter if the war is "just" or not, a subjective determination.

Well, I may not be pleasantly surprised. I'd have to say that I certainly hope that I will be!

Who decided to put 'In god we trust' on the money?

D.

Subjective covers a lot of ground, easily gives social progressives all the justification they need, if they even decide to play along with the 'rules'. I wonder if the objective is 'better'. What would subjective racial equality be, a lie, random luck?

Chances are we vote for a 'leader' and representatives to inflict. They hire and appoint other folks to inflict more. Maybe, we need a basis that's endowed like it's written, rather than adjusted when someone feels like their subjective morality is better than the next.

A really smart guy D. They might have loyal supporters, but very few folks trust the jobs numbers, fed reserve, the speeches, congress, and to reach across the aisle, CO2.

Hence the need for the Constitution. Which prevents the sociopathic application of Subjective Morality that results in a person or group of people inflicting their beliefs on others against their will.

This is what has happened in an "Objective" sense, with the government confiscating freedom and awarding it to their political supporters.

Calling a Welfare program an Anti-Poverty program is subjective, since it results in the creation of poverty and dependency, in the "Objective Reality" sense. It also creates Statist Neoslavery, as free and equal citizens are judged to be guilty of an economic crime, resulting in having their freedom confiscated and awarded to others determined to be "entitled" to it, according to subjective statist religious morality.

Calling Obamacare the "Affordable Care Act" is also subjective, as the objective reality is that it is certainly not affordable, anything but, and essentially degrades the standards of Health Care in America. It actually is a massive expansion of Statist Neoslavey.

I looked at a Canadian dollar bill, and did not see "In God We Trust" on it. I did notice a picture of the Queen of England. Why would you people have the graven image of the monarch from another country on your currency? Why would an atheist such as yourself even care if the word "God" appears on the money from another country? Are you one of those people who goes into a swoon when someone from the British Royal family visits? Shouldn't you be more concerned that a dollar bill still says "One Dollar" when it is actually worth only five cents due to inflation?

You remind me a lot of the Great King Brown... critically sticking your nose into our business when you should be concerned about things in your own country... such as incredibly high gasoline taxes, the waning market for pulp wood, restrictive gun control, and a Long Gun Registry that has not been dismantled as prescribed by law in Quebec.

You have a Constitution, Ken. Your point is that it's not working for people who are free to believe whatever they want, "as long as they don't inflict their beliefs on others against their will." That's impossible because of the enduring national debate on the meaning of liberty within originalist and changing interpretations of the constitution. Majorities rule in democratic societies.

Almost from the beginning, how the fundamental written law was to be read and implemented has divided the country: Jefferson's notions of "strict construction" or "fair" and "reasonable" interpretations recommended by John Marshall and Alexander Hamilton. The balance between legislative choice and constitutional constraint was to keep order without destroying liberty.

The heated debate continues to this day because the Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian positions are seen by their proponents as either ending up with the constitution as a magnificent, ossifying structure unfit for use, or courts reducing it to a blank paper with constructions denying nothing to successive, expansionist governments.

These ultimately unsatisfying schools of interpretation won't be reconciled in the lifetimes of members. Manipulation of the electorate remains more important than responsible management of public affairs. The horse went over the hill long ago, Ken. As you said, an age-old story. Notions of any political party or candidate changing it are pure ignorance.

Comrade Sralin,

On cue, you provide the statist, religious, totalitarian rationalization. All your aforementioned claptrap and mumbo-jumbo is only possible due to the indoctrination of soviet-style statist religious morality into America.

There is no "Debate". It is merely subversion and circumvention. The Constitution can be changed by the amendment process. That is obviously not happening.

Whatever you call it, you've acknowledged honestly that you're pissing against the wind. Liberty to you isn't liberty to all.

Proof please Burger King!. Show us all where Ken has acknowledged that he is pissing against the wind. Were that the case, Ken would not spend so much time and effort educating himself and others about your Soviet style of indoctrination. Educating you is impossible because you are a Leftist Socialist agenda driven fool.

You said it yourself in a most revealing statement... "Manipulation of the electorate remains more important than responsible management of public affairs.

And manipulation is exactly what it is. There was scant conflict for 150 years amongst the Jeffersonian and Hamilton schools of thought until Progressives began using lies and dishonest means to influence the most weak minded of the people into gradually exchanging freedom and liberty for taxpayer funded freebies. It certainly can change in our lifetimes. We saw just such a sea change in the blink of an eye when Carter vacated the premises and Reagan moved in.

Comrade Sralin... Comrade Shit! I chuckle every time I see it.

Preposterous.

In fact, liberty to you is Slavery for most. You have no conception of the terms Freedom and Equality. Your twisted statist religion characterizes Slavery as 'Righteous and Good", as you indoctrinate your sociopathic religious morality. Of course Freedom will win out. It may take economic destruction and conflagration due to a statist, religious "Zombie Apocalypse", but Freedom will win out. Twitter away, little zombie...

You have acknowledged honestly that your notion of liberty can't be implemented:

"There is no "Debate". It is merely subversion and circumvention. The Constitution can be changed by the amendment process. That is obviously not happening."

It is not happening. And why?


"The perils of Democracy are well known. It disintegrates into Mob Rule. That's why America is a Constitutional Republic. Now, since the Constitution is not being adhered to, the degradation, or de-evolution is accelerating."


"True, I relate topics to their philosophical basis. Statist beliefs and dogma that are sociopathically inflicted on others against their will is a main point of mine. This is because that Statist indoctrination is only possible if the person has the faith-based belief that there is no such thing as individual freedom and equality. To have this belief, one must either totally discount or disregard the existence of the American Constitution, which was designed to prevent Religious Statism."

Philosophy deals with ultimate reality, not what you would like it to be, Ken. No one discounts or disregards the constitution's existence. It may not be adhered to your liking because of public and court majorities advancing the liberal and progressive traditions of freedom- and liberty-professing Americans who live by and die for it. There is non other way for constitutionally limited government to prevail. "Preposterous" won't do.

To clear your thinking on constitutional affairs, I recommend The Classical Liberal Constitution, The uncertain quest for limited government, latest book by Richard A. Epstein, the 12th-most cited legal lawyer of the 20th century, one of the most influential legal thinkers of modern times.

That's a bunch of gymnastics to make a case. I can see where you get more mileage by just promising food stamps. Quick question, why are you the guy that gets to decide who prevails and who doesn't.

We know just mentioning a number like say 46, will unprevail a Republican candidate. Where's the rule that requires a way for select government to prevail.

Majorities decide what prevails or doesn't, Craig. True, a number like 47 can evaporate an anticipated majority. The rule to prevail is to promise better than the other guy. Ask Ken.

It's all subjective rationalization for circumvention of the the Constitution. Nothing "Liberal" about it, merely Statist Totalitarianism. The reason it has been successful is that the statists have succeeded in appointing Totalitarians to the Supreme Court, and indoctrinating their sociopathic, statist religion in the Public Schools. Since they've created a situation that cannot be sustained, just like the glorious people's paradise of the Soviet Union, it's only a matter of time. To deny this is to deny Objective Reality.

So Reagan and Bush were statists like most of the Supreme Court justices, without a sense of the freedom and liberty you espouse, eh? Not according to how the judges employed their jurisprudence and consciences when they got there. Please consider their ideological bents and what they did, from Wikipedia:

" . . .by the 1939 term, Roosevelt had moved the Court to a more liberal position by appointing four new justices including strong liberals Hugo Black, William O. Douglas, and Frank Murphy. However, led by the increasingly conservative Chief Justices Harlan Stone and Fred Vinson, the Court shifted in a more conservative direction through the early 1950s.

President Dwight Eisenhower appointed Earl Warren to be Chief Justice in 1953, and both graphs indicate that the Court then turned in a more liberal direction as Warren grew substantially more liberal and especially when he was joined by strong liberal justices William Brennan, Arthur Goldberg, Abe Fortas, and Thurgood Marshall (though Justices Black and Felix Frankfurter became more conservative over time).

In the 1970s, the Court shifted in a more conservative direction when President Richard Nixon appointed Chief Justice Warren Burger and strong conservative Justices Lewis Powell, William Rehnquist, and Harry Blackmun, and more so when President Ronald Reagan elevated Rehnquist to Chief Justice (though Blackmun became more liberal over time). The Court shifted to an even more conservative orientation when it was joined by strong conservative Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Chief Justice John Roberts (appointed by President George W. Bush), though Justice David Souter became more liberal over time.[24]

Both graphs indicate that the current Roberts Court is quite conservative, with four very strong conservative justices (including Chief Justice Roberts) and the median position held by Justice Anthony Kennedy (appointed by President Ronald Reagan).[14][25]"

A matter of time for what? More conservatives on the Court?

No. Disintegration of the Economy, massive societal disruption, and the attempt to install totalitarian rule. All of which is intended. As I said before, the "Zombie Apocalypse". Your fellow statist, religious, totalitarian zombies.

You pulled the ole switch-a-roo on me. I thought you said, somehow a limited government, if they make you feel good, must ignore limits and prevail. You sly fox, all along, I thought 'majorities' meant the wiki version, not a panel of three on an appellate court, a fellow with a phone, hopefully not private, and a pen, no he can't keep it when he leaves.

You're teasing me again. The quest is for liberty and government limited to not always in our faces, gathering minutia of our lives, expanding services to meet needs, demanding sacrifices as the world's policemen. Political control is so critical in Canada it's an October 19 federal election issue. Departmental heads in Ottawa can't send a twitter without clearing it through the Prime Minister's Office. But governments must face the electorate; majorities always rule.

How rude of me, no, you are teasing me, I insist.

We face only what we feel like. Then, we rope our governments off, figuratively or literally, with a little help from our elite friends. Majorities, naw, we don't need them around for this, but we'll tell them what to feel guilty about at zee appprrropriate time. Sorry, just practicing my German, not too good , eh?

Why is it when the most non-inclusive people start a rant they ask how many countries you have visited and the tell haw many have been visited by them,is there an absorption of culture and intelligence?what if the countries are inhabited by morons that live in the 6th century is that a positive or negative.and how does this make you morally and intellectually supperior.just asking

Why would you people have the graven image of the monarch from another country on your currency? - I'm sure you know why. Nonetheless, due to past history with the British. Never really much cared about it, it’s only money. I'm sure one day it will disapear from our currency.

Why would an atheist such as yourself even care if the word "God" appears on the money from another country? - I don't care. I just asked why it is there. But as usual, you rarely answer the question. I could ask why the pyramid with the eye, or the owl is on there also. I'll save that for a later date.

Are you one of those people who goes into a swoon when someone from the British Royal family visits? - Nope. But it brings in business to local economy of the town/city they may visit. My son actually did a Judo demonstration for her majesty (errr...gag) one year, so it was kind'a cool. I'd rather he had met Mother Teresa, before her passing.

Shouldn't you be more concerned that a dollar bill still says "One Dollar" when it is actually worth only five cents due to inflation? - Nope. I have way more than a half million of them in the bank....sooo....not worried, and in reality, there's very little I can do about it. It's in other people's hands.

.....sticking your nose into our business when you should be concerned about things in your own country... - I've stuck my nose into about 28 countries of the world, including yours. Yours is a nice country, with some very ingenious people, some of the best in the world. Visited some nice friendly small towns, tasted some ...oooooohhhh....so nasty shine. We loved NY City. I'm amazed at how much you hate about your country, when it has tried so hard, and succeeded, in being an economic force, and favored as one of the best countries in the world to live in, and yet it sounds like, your hearts are so filled with hate.

....and a Long Gun Registry that has not been dismantled as prescribed by law in Quebec.' - Don't really care about that, that's Quebec's problem. I spoke at great length, a few weeks ago with a gun store owner in NY State. Some of our gun laws are less restrictive then yours I think. We do not have to ship to an FFL, I can buy ten long guns, and cases of ammo, without any background checks or three day waiting period. Everyone in my family has their long gun possession/acquisition license (except the wife), and I'll have my hand gun license shortly....so no biggie.

Did I miss anything?

That's how you answer questions by the way, you should try it some day.

D.

I guess it shows that the tourist version of visiting a country is just that, a visit. You may have missed about ninety-nine percent of the US. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Canada doesn't have some of the most beautiful countryside itself.

It does. We’ve seen a fair bit of it. Lots more to see for sure eh. On our way to Gaspe Bay as I type.

We drove a 5000 mile round trip to boise. We drove throug MN, SD, WY, MO, Id, UT. Seen the badlands, Black hills, camped at yellowstone for a few days. It was agreat trip, Great scenery.

Your right, touristy stuff. Our trip through the back roads of Pennsivania, was an eye opener though. They've been hit hard. Sad to see.

If you upland hunt, maybe you can come up for a visit one day.

D.

Noooo....Craig and i are'nt dating.

D.

You young pup, Ken. You've rolled over on your back, four feet in the air. You've given up on your country, your fellow citizens. You're an anti-democratic aristocrat waiting for America to disintegrate socially and politically before something better can rise from the ashes.

"Disintegration of the Economy, massive societal disruption, and the attempt to install totalitarian rule. All of which is intended. As I said before, the "Zombie Apocalypse". Reminds me of a 19th century Swiss contrarian who detested Athenian democracy and glorified aristocracies.

"Every citizen could go up to the Pnyx to vote on the legislation of the day," complained Jacob Burkhart of the golden years of Athenian democracy. He said it led to corruption, mob rule by rabble and demagogues, as you do. The only difference is your notion of another governance resurrecting society after zombie rule.

Presumably all sophisticated, virtuous Americans who prefer wood, leather, waxed cotton and split bamboo.

"Given up" on my Country? Hardly. I believe in my Country, and the American Exceptionalism of Individual Freedom and Equality as guaranteed by the Constitution.

You're attempting to somehow distort the Soviet subversion of religious statism into American society as somehow "American".

"Anti-Democrat"? Again, preposterous. Asserting that being against "Mob Rule" unrestrained by the Constitution is somehow "Aristocratic" is equally preposterous and shows a true lack of both intellectual objectivity as well as philosophical ignorance. The true "glorified aristocracy" in America today is due to statism, primarily fueled by the Democrat Party. This statist "Ruling Class" is able to confiscate the freedom of their free and equal citizens at will, and use the money to buy political power. It is really a form of Slavery or Feudalism, where the self-anointed nobility have control over the economic destiny of their Serfs.

You seem to be unable to understand, and therefore debate, the concept of Constitutionally Limited Government.

Excellent analysis. "Progressivism" is based on Hegelian Philosophy, which is the philosophy of Totalitarianism that requires a Ruling Class. Hegel is the forerunner of all the sociopathic totalitarians that came afterwards, such as Marx, Engels, etc. He is the inspiration for the modern incarnations of Religious Statism, even though it is arguably the oldest socio-political system in the World, developing along with civilization itself.

Ken, has there ever not been a ruling class? Will your New America think as you do? The republic in any form can't survive without a democratic imagination.

Please explain the benefits to the republic if one side of the aisle imagines food stamps, gender neutral restrooms and 'free' birth control for women?

How do your justifications and and tending your feelings ensure the survival of the republic. Or, were you literally implying that form is only definable by progressives.

There's a big difference between ruling and governing. There's a big difference between respecting Constitutional freedoms and eroding Constitutional freedom by dishonestly creating a class of foolish dependents by confiscating and redistributing other people's earnings and property.

King Brown has never addressed the notion that when the government takes away a percentage of your earnings or property, that they have in essence taken months and years from your life because you had to spend additional time working just to pay your tax burden. This is a form of modern day slavery because your labors are involuntarily taken from you.

But King Brown is a lying anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist, so what would you expect? What a fraud.

I wasn't implying but saying Ken's fantasy world after his forecast of looming US social, economic and political collapse, after which everyone then thinks as he does, can't survive without a democratic imagination. Ken anticipates a heaven-like governance where all do as they please, collecting food stamps or dividends, to each whatever they want. Anarchy.

Preposterous. As is becoming usual.

Again, you have no conception of Constitutionally Limited Government. It's always a matter of applying the false statist alternatives of either Totalitarianism or Anarchy.

If anyone thinks there will never be a ruling class.....they forget one thing about human nature.....greed. Greed will rule if not checked. If you think lawyers, judges, politicians, police, doctors, corporate CEOs, follow the same rules you do, you’re naive. Stand in line for a kidney, or surgery, then watch who jumps in line ahead of you, or gets the best medicine. Stand if front of a judge and see if statis does not come into play. Never mind the kids born into those families, think they’ll stand in line behind yours for cancer treatment? Even the pope drinks from a gold cup, while blessing the poor in Calcutta.

There will be those that have, whether it is influence, large parcels of land, tons of money, oil, resources, influence, collusion between businesses’s to set the highest prices, etc. Can’t wait till private industry owns all the fresh water, that’ll be fun. I’m sure Wal-Mart’s already got their eye on that one.

And yes, it happens in ALL forms of government, just look at the Kremlin.

D.

dal, didn't you tell us how you made millions of dollars that have pictures of the Queen of England because you listened to other people? Why, yes you did. I'm sure of it!

So why don't you help the poor in Calcutta or at least donate a kidney to a lower class person?

Many of us here have been concerned about this 'greedy business model', and it looks like it's high on the list of things that bother you. Healthcare in the US is 'changing' for the worse, but it's not really based on the greedy, rather the stupidity of the American voter.

I guess you are saying that socialized medicine is more about rationing, than health care. Don't worry too much about the next fellow if he wants to open up his wallet because he'd spare no expense for his wife or kid. I'd wonder how far back in the line joe average Canadian gets pushed back to pay for mandatory gender reassignment surgery and numerous other elective services for special interest groups.

If you don't care a whole lot for the big box business model, keep this in mind, you get in and out with a so so product at a good price, and you can't pay extra for better service or products. It's all off a race and gender neutral shelf.

What's waiting time for a single necessary surgical procedure up by you folks. How many dozens of surgeries does it take to reassign someones gender. Is that really caring, understanding and open mindedness?

You're an originalist of the strict construction doctrine, one side of the enduring national debate. With your side holding sway, the constitution is a magnificent document but---practically---useless in modern governance.

The "living" constitution is problematic because originalists say the courts would reduce the constitution to little more than a blank paper. The constitution over time was transformed by a philosophical reversal of the proper role of government.

Instead of liberal and conservative views at loggerheads, the distinguished constitutional authority Epstein says libertarianism may provide the answer with the courts embracing the "basic normative theory" of the classical liberal tradition and apply it with libertarian vigour to legislative and administration excesses.

Would that make you happy? (Statists won't disappear.)

I prefer to shop on old time main street rather than follow the majorities out to the university of walmart. But, I wonder if the courts will embrace that preference.

"So why don't you help the poor in Calcutta..."

Easy, keith. Im sure he is just busy drinking from the gold chalice of wealth and sophisticated world travel. Ive done a bit of traveling too, dal, much of it courtesy of Uncle Sam. One of the most important lessons I learned is that we're all one percenters. Scary, huh?



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I'm not a monarchist. I respect the way Queen Elizabeth does her job. I post this from the official website of the British Monarchy because of the ignorant nonsense of the Queen of England on the Canadian dollar:

"The Queen has a unique relationship with Canada, entirely separate from her role as Queen of the United Kingdom or any of her other realms.

"As in all her realms, The Queen of Canada is a constitutional monarch, acting entirely on the advice of Canadian Government ministers. She is fully briefed by means of regular communications from her ministers, and has face-to-face audiences with them where possible.

"The Queen personifies the state and is the personal symbol of allegiance, unity and authority for all Canadians. Legislators, ministers, public services and members of the military and police all swear allegiance to The Queen. It is for this reason that all new Canadian citizens swear allegiance to The Queen of Canada. Elections are called and laws are promulgated in The Queen's name.

"The Queen is represented in Canada on a day-to-day basis by a Governor General at the federal level and by a Lieutenant Governor in each of the ten provinces. The Governor General is appointed by The Queen upon the recommendation of the Prime Minister of Canada while the Lieutenant Governors are appointed by the Governor General upon the recommendation of the Prime Minister."

I see I've struck another nerve with the bloviating Canadian liar who pretends to ignore me. Cha-Ching!

Maybe this at least partially explains King Brown's excitement and loss of bladder control over us having a black Queen named Barack Obama living in the White House.

https://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/201...gay-bath-house/

I wonder if Obama's preference for older white men has any significance to Burger King?

geeze...I've had shoulder surgery, knee surgery. My wife's had knee surgery, my son a had surgery.....all included x-rays, MRI's etc.

How many dozens of surgeries does it take to reassign someones gender. Is that really caring, understanding and open mindedness?

not sure that's covered, as are nose jobs, breast reductions, facelifts....unless a panel of doctors ok's it.
you sure try hard to deflect from or avoid the topic. I hope your HMO is a true capitalist, and charges you an arm and a leg, literaly, should you need some surgery. Of course, private health coverage is perfect.

I drink from hand blown, Moser crystal BTW. Canadian Club (of course), Macallan, and Hennessy XO, usually touch the crystal.

Me thinks your jealous.

D.

I would rather drink beer out of an old Ford hubcap. Stick your crystal up your arrogant ass.

I would rather drink beer out of an old Ford hubcap. Stick your crystal up your arrogant ass.

I prefer premium draft beer, by the pint. Stella Artois, typicaly by the bottle. But hey, if all the Regan and the Bush's economics could get you is a hub cap....then....sorry to hear that.

I can only hope your retired, that'll let me sleep, in my 800 count egyptian cotton sheets.

D.

D.

Deflect? You were belly aching about greed and the ruling class. Do you drink to forget?

On a brighter note, sorry you folks have to face a death panel. Oh, I'm sorry not you, you get all the surgeries and xrays you could want. Is the panel of docs on standby to make decisions on elective surgery, or do rural Canadians with critical medical emergencies have to wait for 'approval' for a life flight.

No big deal dal, it sure reads like deflection when sometimes you're the victim, crusading hand in hand with the little guy, next you're an elite, invitation only for the private club. Lucky you.

Stella Artois in a bottle, 800 thread count sheets, crystal glasses...me thinks you're (it's you're dal) gay.




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Nouveau riche. So gauche.

Might explain his need to help out the tex'azz hore Armachella Mike.

You should let that feud expire. Who cares if someone thinks you're gay. Look at the upside it gives you another layer of protection. Did they add sexual orientation to provisions of Civil Rights Act of 1964? If not they soon will.

On a brighter note, sorry you folks have to face a death panel. Oh, I'm sorry not you, you get all the surgeries and xrays you could want. Is the panel of docs on standby to make decisions on elective surgery...No big deal dal, it sure reads like deflection when sometimes you're the victim, crusading hand in hand with the little guy, next you're an elite, invitation only for the private club. Lucky you.[/color]

Sorry...no death panel in Canada (well actually there is, obese smokers such as yourself are put to the back of the line, you know...why help someone who's killing themselves anyway), in the U.S...it's called checking for insurance. No insurance you die.
I have to sit in emerg, just like all the other plebes, so no elite status for me. No panel of doctors looking at my xray deciding how long I have to wait.

or do rural Canadians with critical medical emergencies have to wait for 'approval' for a life flight.
No we have some helicopters for that. They fly all the time. We also have major hospitals in rural areas...we spare no expense.
It’s amazing how corrupt your hospitals are, my dad, who has a condo in florida, was feeling ill and faint, so his very lovely U.S friends called an ambulance. Once the hospital found out he had medical insurance, they billed him $27,000 for an overnight stay. Ahhh….pure capitalism isn’t it wonderful. But I bet you think that is great news, and support the hospitals decision whole heartedly…because that’s just the kind of guy you are.
I’m far from an elitist, I drive a Yaris. I’m sorry you live in a trailer park, we don’t have those where I live. For a million dollars, I couldn’t show you where one is. I think you’re so green with envy, it’s blinding you.

As for being gay, well, if being gay is me….and being straight is you….I’d rather be gay then live your sorry life. Most of the gays I know…own their own business. What business do you own that bought you that hub cap?

That remark was directed toward HomelessJoe. For some reason he and Amarillo Mike are trading "broadsides". Lets say he is really gay or bisexual what difference should that make to anyone on this board?
Keith thinks I'm gay. That does not bother me one bit.

And, all liberals are liars. The antis have a perfect fifth column in the Terrible Twins to give the board and NRA a bad name!

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Well, it appears dal has your/ you're figured out. Just needs to work on then and than now. Makin' progress. Oh yeah!

Yaris? Life is too short to drive boring cars.



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What's you're(sic) handicap, dal?

D, you read me like simple book, I'll poke around best I can, and you have a great life.

You did make an important point about healthcare, in some situations, hospitals have to tax the rich. Many hospital are not turning huge profits, some are scrapping by in debt and others close their doors. It's not capitalism, just redistribution best they can.

Look how easily that 27k appeared, like magic. Actually, joe working average pays, not greedy corporations, through their premiums and copayments. Even folks on ocare are some eighty percent subsidized by taxpayers, not good feelings.

Where's all the 'profits' go, mostly to folks that don't have an ID when they show up at a hospital, feeling entitled to something. Do you folks need to show an ID to get health care up in Canada?

It might make a difference to the heterosexual minority who're subject to discrimination and experience the pain of your intolerance.

Out of character, but refreshingly simple. Are you okay?

Do you folks need to show an ID to get health care up in Canada?

Each province has a 'health card'. They do ask for it, however you are never denied medical care if you can't produce one, costs are dealt with later through special programs etc....I believe. I've never encountered anyone who has had to mortgage their house to pay for an operation.

Unfourtunately that also leads to, I think it's called, medical tourists. A lot of pregnant woman coming over, ready to give birth, and because the baby is then 'Canadian', everything is covered...or something like that. I think the feds are looking into curbing that problem.

No, our system is not perfect, and I will never claim it is.

D.

More of your envious trailer park cow pies, eh. Just kidding, you still have a nice life. If you ask me, I'd take a careful look at corruption. It tends to happen when no expense is spared.

I'd take a careful look at corruption. It tends to happen when no expense is spared.

I agree. Back to that human trait called greed. Greed has no political ideology. The guy who ran the medical helicopter servce, 'Orange', bled millions out of the provincial goverment. Don't think he went to jail either.

D.

Hey lonesome, can you believe this guy? Our multi-millionaire braggart still hasn't mastered third grade grammar and phonetics. Maybe he made his millions as a professional NBA player. Too bad he already told us he's Canadian. If he'd told us he was from the states, he could be bragging to us about his Congressional Medal of Honor. The only thing missing is hearing about his close personal relationship with JFK, MLK, and dating Jackie Kennedy.

I loved this remark from dal to J.R.B., or you, or both:



Seriously??? dal is essentially telling us he's rather sidle up to some other man's hairy ass than drink from a hub cap? This freakin' place is getting as bad as San Francisco. We could probably all afford Hollands and Purdeys as truck guns if we got smart and sold gay wedding cakes! Is it just me, or does anyone else see the inconsistency of a self-professed rich guy who is simultaneously critical of the wealthy late Sam Walton's business model. Sam wasn't so pretentious as to drive a Yaris. He drove an old pick-up truck. He also owned a pretty successful business even though he was heterosexual. Go figure.

It must be that crude brandy distilled from fermented lichens and moss that they drink up there. Or maybe the alcohol leached the lead out of the crystal glasses. Or both. Pass that hub cap over here please. I need a shot of Kentucky bullshit solvent.

LOL...that was good keith.

.....Hollands and Purdeys...

If have some spare cash, I'd rather search out a 20ga. A grade, A.H.Fox. I heard they got it 'right'.

You can make brandy from lichen and moss? Next time I'm at the cottage, up in the muskoka's, I'll gather some up. Any around your cottage?

D.

...bragging to us about his Congressional Medal of Honor.

I watched Forrest Gump, so I believe it's called 'The Medal of Honor'

Something I would not joke about BTW, but go ahead.

D.