Here's a item that I believe EVERYBODY on this forum better pay close attention to. I firmly believe the current White House occupant will do everything in his power to destroy gun ownership in the last year of his reign.
Jim

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/06/11/exe...ekly+Newsletter

Thanks James.

"... current White House occupant will do everything in his power to destroy gun ownership ..."

Weren't the crazies saying he was going to do that in his first year in office?

OWD

Yes, Thanks for the link. Let us hope not.

I don't know if they were crazy, but I think a bunch of folks could see that things were changing.

The Obama administration does not have to destroy this place. It is already well on its way without his help.

well dudley, hit aint bout ob nor james/italsxs nor yours truly...

hits bout da god dave...

an dudley, we still gots da congress an da sumpreme court to protect us?

an ifn all else fails, ah quotes charleston heston...

"from mah cole, dead han"...

obamma has a gun control agenda,he would have banned every gun he could but he lost the house then the senate.because someone worries about an agenda an elected official has,and it is against something you have as a right does not make you a crazy

Ed, you have been pretty quiet lately. Let's keep it they way.

You know:
I posted this here for informational purposes understanding that it would be more broadly seen by many members because I don't believe it's an idle threat.
However there are a subset of real jerks on this forum who normally only crawl out from under there respective rocks in Misfires.
Dave: Please Move this thread to Misfires as the resident Libtard idiots on this forum can't be civil even when discussing a direct threat to our 2nd Amendment rights.
I also want to thank those individuals who made positive constructive comments.
Jim

Seems to me that would be such a blatant violation of the first amendment it wouldn't stand the chance of a snowball in hell to be done. What is the source of the information? I can't find it with a internet search.

Here you go.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150605/stop-obamas-planned-gag-order-on-firearm-related-speech

NRA is the source, playing to base; Jim crying wolf again. This forum is no more in jeopardy than baseball in the US.

Another Libtard idiot who doesn't even live here but thinks it's his right to try and influence the membership. What a true farce he is.
Of course the NRA and I am crying wolf when the socialist White House occupant has publicly stated over and over again he intends to severely limit out 2nd Amendment rights.

Dave: Please move ths thread to misfires where I and others can deal with these malcontents effectively. My apologies to the membership in believing I could open a thread in the general area which I believe addresses a threat to all of us who are true firearms enthusiasts here.
Jim

Jim, isn't the membership of this forum open to all who want to join, regardless of country of origin? Seems to me we have Americans, Russians, the Brits, various Europeans and a number from down under. Without defending the essence of King's post, why wouldn't he have a right to try to influence the membership? I do. You do. Everyone on here does.

It's not a forum that is exclusive to Americans. I suppose Dave could make it that way, but he hasn't yet. My understanding is that it is open to anyone who wants to sign up. Black, white, liberal, conservative....whoever. Mind you, the general subject matter mostly self selects in our favour.

I know that sometimes it's hard for some Americans to remember that there are other people in the world....but it's true. In fact, we non Americans often have our own laws and customs that can be different than American law, and sometimes even think and behave differently than Americans.

The reason I first posted in misfires was to alert Americans and anyone else who was listening, to the folly of accommodating the anti gun zealots. Because I thought the Canadian experience might be enlightening for some. I think there is value in hearing the experiences of others. Sometimes we can learn from them, regardless of where they originate.

Americans have yet to corner the market on experience, smarts and effectiveness. You guys are good, I'll give you that....but not everyone else is completely useless.

I don't mind you crapping all over King about what he says or doesn't say. But you overstep the bounds when you paint all of us one way and all of you another. The obvious folly of that behavior is evident when we consider the frequency with which you and I agree compared to the constant issues you have with your fellow Americans like say....SKB, lately RyanF and a host of others. Rarely are generalizations accurate or effective when trying to make a point.

BTW, where is "here"....as in "Another Libtard idiot who doesn't even live here" Would that be the great state of Kalifornia that I hear some much positive stuff about or Massachusetts or Minnesota?

You might consider that the subject matter is about serious regulatory penalties against Americans, not forum members. A well intentioned US citizen may face headaches for sharing with a Canadian about the inner workings of a gun, or load data for a solid hunting round that could be construed as armor piercing.

James:
Yes this forum is open to all regardless of where they reside and this is as it should be.
However; members like Brown over step this in constantly commenting as a non-resident on what we as U S Citizens should have as firearms regulations and what we should do to "accommodate" those who would restrict our 2nd Amendment rights. I don't comment on Canadian firearms regulations because I don't live there and don't feel qualified to do so.
He obviously doesn't have the preservation of our 2nd Amendment rights in mind here and it's obvious he's a consummate socialist with an agenda in sharp contrast to the majority on this forum.
Most of us view those of his ilk as trolls with a goal of disrupting this forum and as undesirable "members" to say the least.
We've had this conversation in the past privately and I am surprised you have brought it up here. I of course remain available to discuss this again if necessary.
Jim

Thanks for posting this Jim. Please don't pay attention to Obama supporters like Obsessed With Democrats and King Brown. This is the same kind of LULLING that King Brown attempted when he told us that our Gun Rights were not in jeopardy after a majority of the Senate voted to debate the proposed Obama/Biden gun restrictions after the Newtown shooting. King has consistently criticized the NRA and told us we should give Obama what he wanted and try to win back some of our lost Constitutional Right later. There is ample proof that Obama has done everything he can to infringe upon the rights of law abiding gun owners, and he has started again after the shooting of 9 people by a mentally ill drug abuser in South Carolina.

This is a good time to call, write, or e-mail your elected representatives to remind them that you do not want your rights taken away due to the actions of a madman or a president with a proven anti-gun agenda.

Craig, you'd think from some of these posts the US is ready to roll over on its back with its feet in the air, surrendering its rights and tolerance because a radical rump proclaims daily no faith in the American people. It's not going to happen.

craig, you'd think from King Brown's LULLING comment, that the NRA and Jim is as dishonest as he is.

But it's nice that King occasionally shows us all his true colors as an anti-gun Liberal left troll who supports and defends anti-gun Democrat politicians.

On a further note; the Obama administration is so distrusted at this point a Member of Congress felt it was necessary to introduce the following bill:
Jim


This is the "Fairness in Firearms Testing Act" HR2753; an idea that would have been unthinkable and not deemed necessary prior to the criminals we now have in government offices.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2753

Quote:
"Seems to me that would be such a blatant violation of the first amendment it wouldn't stand the chance of a snowball in hell to be done. "

One would think so Joe; However the current occupant of the White House has shown nothing but contempt for the U S Constitution so I doubt he'd let a little issue like free speech get in his way on the road to socialism.
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we all know gun control is part of obs agenda... and we also know that election year pandering is under way...so, tell us something we do not already know...

like maybe, in wake of the latest massa cree involving a semi auto hand gun, that it may be time for responsible gun owners to ponder and discuss the wisdom of restricting the general public access to certain classes of firearms, in the interest of public safety and in preserving our remaining rights?

otherwise, our knee jerk, pandering politicans, may pass far more restrictive gun control legislation than any of us here would ever support...an we all know ob would sign it.

In the papers this morning Obama is musing about needing to bring to an end "this kind of gun violence", in the wake of the church shooting in South Carolina. Keith is absolutely right in that now is again the time to step up and be vocal. Once again, guns and access to guns will be blamed when it is not guns that do the shooting and resources will be wasted.

Rather than view guns as the problem, the anti gun zealots need to pivot and become mental health advocates, for that is where the problem lies.

or perhaps the problem is that we have too many nuts who have too easy access to too many potentially destructive high cap hand guns?

The shooter in South Carolina calmly reloaded his gun 5 times as he shot unarmed people idiot. How many shots in a magazine is acceptable to you? How many people did the D.C. snipers kill several years ago firing single shots?

Once again, Ed Good proves to us that he is an anti-gun idiot.

well keith, for me, all semi automatic hand guns with quick change mags are too dangerous...

and why would any sane person carry around a semi auto hand gun, unless he fears an insane person with a semi auto hand gun?

The proposal is via the regulatory route, not legislatively in which the American people put their faith in representatives. Some folks think regs are no problem, noting that 'they all do it'. I can't think of one time where a radical rump reg has been stopped or reversed due to the will of the people.

If the NRA or some forum folks cry foul, what's the solution. See, I told you, they won't just roll over. When(!) this progresses, how many forums, how to websites or info blogs decide to buck the odds when a few 'examples' are made of joe little guy vs big gov. Can you think of any regs under any category that have been reversed by this admin.

Ed Good, New Hampshire firearms appraiser, you are still an anti-gun idiot. How many people did the D.C. sniper kill by firing single rounds? Who are you to decide that we ought to limit ourselves to only the types of guns you approve of. That's how it starts in every country that has severe gun restrictions or outright bans.

ed you can take away the gun ,what are you going to do about the crazy.how about swiss army knives didnt OJ make good use of a knife on two human beings.and the insane person that drove his car through a crowd in santa barbara ca.killing people.ed, your an idiot

mc: what you post above is the standard rigid, no compromise attitude...it ignores political reality...some times you have to throw the wolves a bone, in order to keep them from eating you alive.

Feel like my comp is in an empty head, keep hearing an echo.

I think King summed up the political reality beautifully. Compromise means, we vote lib, but have a few conservative thoughts.

or compromise means giving someone what they want, so they will give you what you want.

like restriction of semi auto hand guns in exchange for a balanced budget law. both could be very beneficial to our long term well being.

never give and inch, ever

how bout a balanced budget because its the right thing to do, and what most american family's have to do,and you give up all your guns and we won't. and if you never post again it would benefit us all in the long term.

Craig, compromise isn't what US political parties do, and look where it's got you: a polarized country of no one talking to each other, stuck in a rut and citizens of all persuasions saying their governance is the pits.

I am a liberal philosophically but have never voted for the Liberal Party. It's too top-down, doing our thinking for us; delivering pork as the Natural Governing Party. Conservatives were more democratic---until recently.

I wouldn't vote for any of the declared presidential candidates. Not much on offer, is it?

Yah, yah, yah, I know, you want us to stay home so the champion of gals rights gets in without breaking a nail. Don't be so half empty, surely you can muster the obligatory, first woman would be the break through to validate the progressive movement, cheer.

Polarized? I must have missed the memo. We've rid ourselves of war, and are all healthier, thus happier and more productive. What's not to like?

Not much to offer, eh? Where's Steve when I really need him, you're making assumptions.

I carry a 1911 in Condition One, not because I fear another person with a semi auto handgun, but so that I am better able to protect my loved ones, myself and other innocents from evil people who may attempt to do them harm, with whatever instrument they may choose to use to do that. Fear is something that is to be USED, to funnel your thoughts and actions, during a crisis, to gain you advantage over your adversary.

Your assertion that fear is what motivates one to carry a semi auto handgun is one of the insane things I see in this thread. Pray tell, ed, what is the difference in your feeble mind, between a semi auto and a revolver, or a double barrel shotgun, for that matter?

Your stupidity is sometimes beyond my belief. I have never, in my 63 years on God's earth, met anyone as repeatedly belligerent and uninformed as you are.

SRH

Stan:
As I'm sure you well know in order to actually fire a 1911 in "Cocked and Locked" mode you have to do the following:
1.Release the manual safety.
2. Simultaneously depress the grip safety while pulling the trigger.
There's very little chance to do these things accidently and that's why 45autos are still considered one of the safest firearms to own and carry.
That's the way I carry my Kimber and it's also the way most people who know what they are talking about recommend they be carried.
Jim

agreed, colt 1911's and their clones may be the safest of semi auto handguns...but as a type, semi autos are more dangerous than revolvers. particularly in the hands of an inexperienced individual, due to a lack of visibility as to weather the thing is loaded or not.

do you remember when the six shot revolver was the police hand gun of choice before the proliferation of high cap semi autos among criminal elements? the police were forced to move to high cap semi autos when they found themselves outgunned.

Only Joe Biden could give him a run for his money....

How come, and it's googleable, the ny times did an eleven year study of all shots fired by the NYPD. It includes a transition to hicap semi auto duty arms. Average shots fired by officers at bad guys, 4.7. A single shooting skewed the numbers, otherwise they averaged firing 3.6 shots at bad guy, with a microscopic percentage of times that the bad guys fire back.

Go figure, the pure numbers say that five shot revolvers would be considered 'hicap'. I want our police officers well armed, and armed with the message of deterrence, but your theory is probably based on tv horse $hit. Still, you FEEL like penalizing all the rest of the decent law abiding folks.

You cannot lump DA semiautos in with SA semiautos, like the 1911. Vast differences, which probably doesn't concern you, as you seem adept at spouting off concerning things about which you are grossly uninformed.

Answer this honestly, if you can. A 5 year old child (inexperienced enough for you?) picks up a loaded handgun, in a roomful of people, and begins pointing it around, as a child would do. You're in front of that gun. Would you rather it was a loaded DA revolver, which only requires that the trigger be pulled to fire (no physical safety), a chambered Glock, which requires only a trigger pull as well, or a 1911, which requires hammer cocking, squeezing of the grip safety, AND releasing the manual safety ? A child will likely tire of it before he figures out how to make it go bang. The point? All semi autos are not created equal. Stick to what you know, ed, acetylene and oxygen.

SRH

a responsible individual would never have a loaded firearm in the same room as a five year old child.

ed, do you have short hairs growing inside your nose?

You mean an unsecured and accessible loaded firearm. Just a little help as your original statement is subjective and ignorant as written.

Two different pistols.


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The large one is offensive combat weapon that when used with standard factory trigger in condition "hot" must be kept in high quality "hard" holster (plastic) at all times. A ten pound trigger can be fitted to give wider choice in holster selection. The small one is the best close range defensive pistol ever made. Carry options on that pistol are simply unsurpassed. It can be carried in pocket w/o any holster though soft pocket holster is recommended.

I like the doiley, where did you get it?

Best,
Ted

Jeez! Don't you know anything. That's a table cloth, right out of the mather stewer spring catalog. Hang on, you might be right. Jm, can we get another picture from the side where it drapes over the edge.

I thought it was one of them gang dew rags...

I think it is a quilt that Jagermeister embroidered all by himself. And on the other side is a picture of his hero Obama, and the words, "Hope and Change".

After all, Jagermeister proudly voted for the anti-gunner Obama twice. Then he posts pictures of guns here to try to make us forget that he supports the politicians who want to take away our right to own semi-autos and every other kind of gun.

more nonsense from a child like creature lurking here...

What? You prefer aloha print?

no tene se mala...

ed, do you have short hairs growing inside your nose?

If he does I expect there's a line of members forming of those with needle nose pliers!!
Jim

I was hoping ed would answer because I'm trolling the idiot.

are there any other adults here?

Hey look, Ed Good the anti-gunner is back! What an idiot!