And of course Libtards like SKB will give her a pass because facts don't really matter!

Here’s some quotes from the founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger: Now look at the above and see who one of her admirers just happens to be.

As an aside: The Nazis had an extermination program for the mentally ill and thousands were euthanized during that horrific regime.

Jim



On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
"This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

On adultery:
A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11

Says Racist Jim.....

Whether Jim is a racist or a saint what he wrote is accurate.

From "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg:

Excerpts from from pages 271 to 275.

"Gloria Feldt of Planned Parenthood proclaims 'I stand by Margaret Sanger's side,' leading 'the organization that carries on Sanger's legacy"

"In 1926 Sanger proudly gave a speech to a KKK rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey."

"For example, when the Nazi eugenics program was first getting wide attention, the Birth Control Review was quick to cast the Nazis in a positive light, giving over its pages for an article titled 'Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need," by Ernst Rudin, Hitler's director of sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene."

"In 1939 Sanger created the previously mentioned 'Negro Project' which aimed to get blacks to adopt birth control. Through the Birth Control Federation, she hired black ministers (including Adam Clayton Powell Sr.), doctors, and other leaders to help pare down the supposedly surplus black population. The project's racist intent is beyond doubt. 'The mass of significant Negroes,' read the project's report, 'still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes...is [in] that portion of the population least intelligent and fit.' Sanger's intent is shocking today, but she recognized its extreme radicalism even then. 'We do not want word to go out,' she wrote to a colleague, 'that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

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Mr. Goldberg had many other quotes of Sanger in his book. Sanger also wanted the state to issue child bearing permits, one permit to a woman, one child to a permit, no permit, no child.

Planned Parenthood is built on the foundation laid by Sanger. That foundation's ideology included racism and genocide.

That liberals today, including Ms. Clinton, embrace Planned Parenthood, much less put on the mantle of the racist Sanger, show how much contempt they have for their loyal Black constituency. They promote abortion, which disproportionately kills Black babies (36% of the abortions, 13% of our population). The Democratic Party promotes amnesty for poor illegal aliens (eleven million) while our mostly poor Black citizens (forty million) suffer a 25% unemployment rate of their young men. How can an eighteen year old man, raised only by his mother, compete for a roofing job with a 30 year old Costa Rican who was worked since he was 12?

The quote of Hillary Clinton in the original post ("I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision...") came from a speech she made while accepting an award from Planned Parenthood in 2009.

The Democratic Party, if not actually evil, is certainly cynical and amoral.

Jim is clearly not a "Racist". True, he has commented on some topics in a racial way, but face it, the absurd concept of "Race" and "Racism" is being intentionally perpetuated by the Democrat party in order to rationalize circumvention of the Constitution. He has never applied blanket statements in regard to skin color, if anything he has replied in ways that could be considered racial, but are in reality subcultural. This is the real difference and issue , the intentional creation of these sociopathic, unconstitutional, religious "Victim Cults" by the Democrat Party.

Thanks to all of you for clearing the air on my behalf:
I am first and foremost NOT a racist as some here have wrongly claimed. That's absolute Bullshit from Libtards pure and simple and a typical accusation of those who have nothing else!
I have pointed out that I strongly agree with the assessment that those who loot and burn in the interest of fomenting riots are THUGS and I could care less what race they may happen to be. If you think "thugs" is a racist term then obviously you have no understanding of the basic dictionary. I also STRONGLY object to funding from Socialist idealists like Soros causing these problems. As far as I'm concerned he should have been hung as a war criminal years ago.
It is clearly evident that the Democrats in Baltimore who gave these THUGS free rein have made the situation there worse then anyone could imagine.
Now we have the Baltimore prosecutor apparently engaged in a coverup by refusing to release the autopsy report.
This is what decades of Libtard Democrat control of an area has wrought!
Oh and I'm still waiting for any of the Libtards who post here to come out and strongly condemn Clinton's blanket approval of the real racist Margaret Sanger but I won't hold my breath waiting for this to happen.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who supports H. Clinton is a true racist!
Jim

Says who...the admitted turd polisher.

Pleased that Jim has toned-down his rhetoric. He now strongly objects to funding from some idealists like Soros, not that he should be shot on sight. To be hanged as a war criminal years ago infers a trial, not vigilante justice. Good on Jim.

Would any of our liberal members perhaps like to take up for Ms. Clinton or Planned Parenthood or the late Ms. Sanger?

Or are you just attacking Jim personally because you don't have a counter to his arguments or his facts?

Jim's prior posts, specifically this one http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=403227&page=1

are my reason for calling him out for being the racist he is. I have no interest in defending either of the woman referenced in this post.

But why on this thread? If you felt Jim needed to be called out on racism why not just do it on the offending thread? The way you and King did it made it look like you were unable to dispute his arguments or his facts so you disputed his character.

Well, you have disavowed Clinton and Sanger.

How about Planned Parenthood and its disproportionate impact on Blacks? Blacks have abortions at a rate of about seven times non-Latino Whites you know.

What is your opinion about the disproportionate impact the poor Latino illegal aliens have on our poor Black citizens? Do you find it ironic that the Democratic Party plots and manipulates to amnestize those illegal immigrants when the poor Black citizen Democrats have such a high unemployment rate?

Racist is as racist does.

The socialist turd polisher has proven he/she has no opinion of his own....

jOe please stop helping me.

Mike,
I did call out Jim for being a racist on the offending thread.

So is planned parenthood rounding up pregnant black woman who want to become mothers and forcing them to abort? If so, I had not heard of that. I was under the impression that most who seek abortion are not ready to raise a child. I think young black women make poor choices regarding sexual and reproductive health and at a much higher rate than the non-Latino white population.

Can you you show me where you have seen a real link between illegal Latino immigrants negatively impact poor blacks? Are poor blacks lining up to work in agriculture fields to pick the crops and being denied jobs? I think the high unemployment in black communities has little to do with illegal Latino immigration. I could be wrong. If so, point me to something to read on the matter.

What I find ironic is that Republicans continue to shun the fastest growing segment of the population. That the Democrats would try to lure the Hispanic vote in through amnesty and loosening immigration restrictions does not shock me in the least. Does it you? At some point as matter of practicality I feel the Republicans must embrace immigration reform. The system is broke, something needs to change. Do you really think we can round up tens of millions of people and ship them home? I don't see it happening under any administration.

Two interesting and complex issues Mike but in my mind hardly racism.

Steve, if this morning you thought you needed to call Jim out for being a racist why didn't you do it on the offending thread? By calling him out on this thread it made it look like you couldn't dispute his arguments or his facts so you disputed his character.

Paraphrasing my liberal friend King's comments, "You aren't nearly as racist this morning as you usually are. Good job Jim!" But his response also makes it look like he had no good arguments against Jim's first post so he decided to do a little ad hominem himself.

I have been a contractor since 1981. Let's say that Obama gets his backdoor amnesty plan through the SCOTUS. So I have a choice. I can hire an eighteen year old life-long citizen of the United States or I can hire a thirty year old Mexican National. And the world being what it is, I have to pay them both or either $7.50 per hour.

Now the citizen will probably have to go through several jobs before he has learned to show up on time five days a week, week after week. That Mexican National has been working since he was eleven and has that skill. Then the Mexican National probably has tool skills that the eighteen year old doesn't have. The Mexican is probably willing to work on a roof in the sun in 105F where the citizen won't (for $7.50 an hour). If it is legal to hire the Mexican I know who I will hire. If it is illegal to hire the Mexican I know some of my competitors will anyway.

Suppose that the President enforces the law and deports most of the illegal immigrants, say 80%. Say the employers that hire illegal aliens are prosecuted. If I want to stay in business I am going to have to pay a lot more than $7.50 to get that kid up on on that roof in the middle of July. And I am going to put up with a lot more BS than I would if I knew I could hire that Mexican. From experience I know that many of those sorry eighteen year olds, after they have been fired enough times and rehired and worked with and lectured turn into good workers and decent human beings. But if I can hire that Mexican National why would I bother.

It is well documented that chicken factories are overrun with illegal aliens. Those jobs could go to citizens.

Young Black men have an unemployment rate of about 20%. Illegal aliens take the entry level jobs that our Black youths have historically used to enter the workforce. Blacks are impacted more than Whites because Whites are, on average, better educated and more intelligent. Jobs requiring above average intelligence and education are not available to non-English speaking illegal aliens, at least when the first get here. So the Blacks bare the great burden of the Democrats' cynical and amoral trade-off.

My "racist is as racist does" bit was a mockery of the Democrats' contention that anything that has a disparate impact on Blacks is racist. So if Blacks, on average, score lower than Whites then the test must be racist. Often, Blacks live in the urban center city with Whites in the suburbs. If you draw voting districts along the lines of the city and the suburbs you get a much higher percentage of Blacks in the urban city than in the suburb cities. So the Democrat candidate might win the urban city voting district with 80% of the vote. The Democrats say that the disparate impact of drawing the districts along city borders deprives them of Democratic representatives. They want to gerrymander the wasted black votes (anything over 51%) into the white suburbs so they can get more representatives elected. So if it has a disparate impact on Blacks, according to the Democrats, it is racist and wrong - except if it is amnesty for illegal aliens or a 700% higher abortion rate for Blacks than Whites. Those two cases of disparate impact represent the highest order of freedom, morality and fairness.

Another thing I don't get. Democrats say Republicans are racists. Democrats are for abortion. If Blacks get abortions at seven times the rate of non-Latino Whites why aren't the racist Republicans supporting abortion? Add to that the fact that Blacks vote about 80% for Democrats why aren't the cold blooded Republicans supportive of abortion? After all, eight out of ten aborted Black babies, had they lived, would likely become Democrats.

A side note. When the true unemployment rate gets down to five percent, I am all for bringing in immigrants from Mexico and Central and South America. The many poor Mexican National immigrants I have interacted with have all been fine people with good values and the best workers I ever saw.

Also, I would like to see a spirited defense of Planned Parenthood from some of my liberal friends here.

Quote from Mike:
"A side note. When the true unemployment rate gets down to five percent, I am all for bringing in immigrants from Mexico and Central and South America. The many poor Mexican National immigrants I have interacted with have all been fine people with good values and the best workers I ever saw."

Here's another "racist"** who agrees with this as well. My son-in-law is of Mexican decent and he and the rest of his family are fine law-abiding people who make good residents and Americans. There isn't a "THUG" among them.
Jim

**Racist: A term applied to individuals who quote facts that can't be refuted by socialist Libtards who then have to resort to trying to denigrate the quoter instead.

So, is Planned Parenthood lining up poor blacks and forcing them into abortions? No, of course not. Margaret Sanger and others intentionally set it up in a manner that would not be so obvious which is proven by her own words.

Lefty Stevie, aka SKB, is too dumb and too agenda driven to see that or admit to it. Same goes for King Brown and the other Libtards who conveniently ignore the very racist past of the Democrat Party and try to dishonestly hang that tag on Conservatives.

We don't see poor blacks lining up to work on farms because they are not poor. They have been handed enough Welfare benefits that they do not have the incentive to do farm work. AmarilloMike spoke of this in another thread about the massive minority unemployment in Baltimore, and the refusal of the unemployed to move to Texas or other places where the jobs are. So we see Liberal Democrats dishonestly courting two constituencies by bribing blacks with Welfare paid by the taxpayers, and Hispanics by illegally allowing them to break Immigration Law by turning a blind eye toward border security.

I'd imagine that SKB thinks Republicans would be wise to also pursue their votes by acting so dishonestly, but SKB would still be a Leftist Libtard who pretends to be Conservative because he doesn't have the courage to be honest about his convictions. I'll give that much to King Brown. He admits to being a Liberal idiot who supports anti-gun politicians. SKB supports anti-gun politicians, yet derives his income from working on firearms, so he has to hide the truth. He should really stop gun work and start making bongs.

SKB has me on ignore because he thinks not seeing me write the truth about his hypocrisy will make it invisible. I probably should give him a new nickname... Caitlyn SKB, because he has no balls.

Mike,
I called Jim out for being the offensive racist he is several times on the original thread. I guess you missed it. On the first page and then again right before he tells the heart wrenching story of the burden he had to endure of dating a Danish girl.

I will grant you that jobs in chicken factories could go to citizens. Are there any applying for the jobs and not being hired? I'm pretty sure in the cattle processing plants out in western Kansas the citizens do not want those jobs nor will they take them. I disagree with you that blacks are less intelligent than whites. Less educated certainly but not less intelligent. Did you see the kid admitted to every single ivory league school this past year? It was not white kid from suburbia. I would never say Republicans are racists. I know entirely too many who are not and judge people as individuals. Several on this board come to mind such as yourself and Ken.
Steve

Well, it looks like Caitlyn SKB thinks that if he keeps repeating the lie that Jim is a racist, it will eventually stick. He hasn't produced any evidence except his own biased opinion. Of course, we've all seen King Brown and other Libtards employ the same method for years. But they all dishonestly pretend to ignore the racism of many leading Democrats even when they have it shoved right under their noses. SKB will be tarring Jim with this lie for years, but you can bet your ass he will be voting for for the anti-gun Democrat Hillary despite her admiration for Margaret Sanger.

This is what I find so loathsome about most Liberal Leftists. You cannot really debate them and you will never change their minds with the truth. All you can and should do is point out their many lies. You also cannot let them dance away from it, as King Brown developed into an art form over the years. Anything else is a waste of time.

You've explained in the past that you're no obligation to reply to anything you don't want to. I couldn't agree more.

Back up to the original thread, there's a screen person that started it and a topic. Then the choice comes up to attack the person, and seemingly give tacit approval to the presidential front runner individual.

I notice on the main forum. We have 'friends' that refer to hunting as a 'slaughter and bloodlust', and 'experts' who would demonize a group of classic gun shooters in a personal injury court case. I wonder why pc says the the young black poor single mom has to quietly eat the sanger philosophy.

Craig,
what was it exactly you wanted me to respond to?

It seems you are somehow trying to say I endorsed Hillary? Not so....

As to the young black women quietly eating Sanger....Maybe young black women should start making intelligent reproductive decisions and telling young black men to wear a condom. A change in culture views might be required, something like responsibility for your own health. It might be actually happening....

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-abortions-declining-nearly-states-161829318.html

Notice it is happening in all states not just the ones with more conservative laws regarding abortion.

I'm not asking you to respond, nor am I judging you, just making personal comments about choices. Sure we could tell all the black guys to wear condoms or maybe have someone like 'doctor' elders tell them they should just masturbate, but doesn't that lump 'em in a class and not blame the individual.

Somehow I know that if a candidate isn't criticized on their words, policy and track record, then somethings agreeable.

Craig et al:
This thread has run for almost 24 hours and not one of the Libtards on here has CONDEMMED Clinton for her endorsement of Sanger. The only way to honestly evaluate this is it's tacit approval of her behavior. I'm certainly NOT surprised as the Libtards on this Forum are extremely selective as to what they label "racist".
They've taken a page right out of Obama's socialist hypocrite book like sending a delegation to the funeral of a Black Thug killed by a cop defending himself but sending NO ONE to the funerals of cops killed by Blacks while they were on duty.
Libtards like SKB I'm pretty sure continue to condemn me as a "racist" because I compared a bunch of Black Thugs jumping on a car to a similiar picture of Baboons doing the same thing.
Jim

Oh poor Jim is now a victim for being held accountable for his racist posts. One thing I do not approve is the behavior of hypocrites such as yourself Jim. You play the victim so well.

Looks like you nailed it Jim.

Caitlyn SKB will steadfastly refuse to condemn the very real racist actions of any Liberal Democrat, not just Hillary. And he will continue to paint you as a racist. I'm personally glad that he and King Brown play that little game so that we can point it out and make sure everyone sees just how dishonest they really are.

Do you think anyone who cares about gun rights should do business with a gunsmith you supports anti-gunners?

Better a victim than a socialist turd polisher disguised as a gunsmith...

Gentelmen:
I believe this article more then adequately sums up the hypocracy of the Libtards and drives home the point we've been making regarding who are the real racists. Maybe SKB and the rest of the "Progressive" jerks on this forum will go find a car to symbolically THUG to take out their distaste for those of us who chose the moral high ground.
Jim

http://allenbwest.com/2015/04/why-hillary-clintons-pro-choice-stance-is-incredibly-racist/

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=403227&page=1

Your posts prove your an offensive, ignorant racist racist Monkey
Jim. Just reading what you post show what a complete and total hypocrite you are.

So I take it none of our liberal friends are going to defend Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood's validation of Margaret Sanger's ideology, or Hillary Clinton's embrace of Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger?

I say again, whether Jim is a racist or a saint his original post is accurate. This ad hominem tactic could easily be perceived as a strategy of distracting from his argument because they have no refute for that argument.

Mike,
I said in the beginning I would defend neither. I certainly do not want Hillary as our next President. His post on this subject may very well be accurate but I find Jim to be the biggest hypocrite on this board and him calling others racist down right offensive.
Steve

Well I'll see your offensive and raise you a double triple offensive. Let's throw 'em on a scale, nice 'investigating', one thread, vs the next prez who has dozens, hundreds?, of offensive rhetoric, track record and policy. Oh, did I mention a distinct lack of 'success' with her non offensive track record. Not comparable?, now that's offensive.

Steve you might start a new thread: "Why I Think Jim is a Racist." Or post again on the baboon/rioter thread about the same subject.

I think Jim's original post here has value and is accurate whether Jim is a racist or a saint. Jefferson, Washington, Madison, and many other founders of this nation were racists but many of their other ideals and beliefs have proved valuable and beneficial. But the Left is also attacking their character as an argument against the validity and value of the US Constitution. The left loves to equate things that aren't equatable, and then use them as a club in an adhominem attack on those that disagree with them. If you use the word "thug" to describe a violent black criminal you are a racist. If you use the phrase "illegal alien" instead of "undocumented immigrant" you are a racist xenophobe. If you argue "diversity programs" are discriminatory then you are a racist. If you argue that the average White makes more money than the average Black because the average White is more intelligent and more educated than the average Black then you are a racist. If you weren't racist you would attribute that fact to just "White Privilige". There is a new one the left is trying out: "If you eat meat you are a racist, because you have to be a specist to eat meat, and specism is connected to slavery, and slavery is racist." The Left keeps a list of uncool words and phrases and if you use any of those terms then you are an ignorant racist and all the ideals and beliefs and arguments you have are invalid.

But I believe that racists can have valid arguments. And those with pure-as-the-driven-snow motives can have invalid arguments. And when anyone starts attacking their antagonist's character instead of their argument I am pretty sure I know why.

I have been told that SKB who is on my ignore list and claims to be a gunsmith is trying to label me a hypocrite. I have posted information showing that certain Blacks are THUGS with no morals,no ethical values and no respect for anything. I make no excuses for posting this information as I believe it's factual and I believe the majority of you do as well.
Now SKB on the other hand apparently thinks it's not hypocritical to try and label me a racist but it's perfectly ok to give someone like Hillary Clinton, who is clearly a tacit racist due to her remarks and acceptance of the Sanger award a pass!
Now I ask you who is the REAL Hypocrite here!
Jim

Craig your welcome to continue to try to twist my post into some sort of Hillary endorsement. You can twist things like no other.....I have said before I do not support Hillary, I never have and I never will. I'm not sure what you do for a living but you should teach a course on how to turns someones words into something they are not. You truly have a talent for that. The Post I linked too is just my favorite one of Jim's there are many more.

Nah Mike I would rather point Jim out for the ignorant racist he is when he tries to paint others as racists. I think he tries to deflect away from his past posts to keep the eye off himself.Ever since the monkey post Jim has been pointing out real racist. B.S. if ever saw it.

Notice yesterday when you claimed whites were more intelligent than blacks that I disagreed but did not call you a racist. I do not think you are one. I think you are mistaken on that point but but I do not think you are a racist because of it. I agree many of the founding fathers were racist, such were the cultural norms in the late 1700's. Today is a different story and I found Jim's post to be ignorant, racist and offensive.

The conservative crew around here attacks my character regularly.....Oh well. Sometimes you need a thick skin to play in misfires. Jim can dish it out just fine but cries like a baby when he is on the receiving end. Man the Right has got that victim thing down pat. Poor me I'm being held accountable for my ignorant racist posts. You guys are starting to make me feel sorry for Monkey Jim.

Liberal Lefty, Caitlyn SKB doesn't have the balls or courage of conviction to admit that he only jumps in to support Liberal Democrats and knock Conservative Republicans.

Yet he/she would have you believe he/she doesn't support Hillary. The only way I'd believe that is if he/she already has an Elizabeth Warren yard sign. It's like having a convicted arsonist show up with a can of gas and a book of matches and deny that he's there to burn something.

A gunsmith who supports anti-gun politicians... consistently... and who is too stupid to do a good job of hiding that! Would you give your gun and hard-earned money to an idiot like that?

Quote:
" say again, whether Jim is a racist or a saint his original post is accurate. This ad hominem tactic could easily be perceived as a strategy of distracting from his argument because they have no refute for that argument."

Libtards like SKB can try to label me anything that want as they have nothing else. When you're a Libtard and confronted with facts that can't be refuted you either ignore them or start in with name calling as is the case here.
I labeled these miscreants THUGS along with millions of other Americans including,initially, the Mayor of Baltimore. So some Left Coast Bimbo reporter decides this term THUGS is "racist" and some of the typical idiots in this Country go along with this.



Definition of "thug" - American English Dictionary
See all translations


thug
noun [C] us /θʌɡ/


› a man who acts violently, esp. a criminal:

Some thugs smashed his windows
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I believe this definition certainly applies to a group who is jumping on someone's car with the intent of destroying it.

If you think the monkey/rioter thread best makes your point of your argument for Jim being a racist why not keep posting on it to keep it at the top of Misfires? Or start the "Why I think Jim is a Racist" thread and link to all those threads you think make your argument. But you don't defend Planned Parenthood on this thread?

My argument is that the average White was more intelligent than the average Black. And that difference resulted in earnings of the average White being higher than the average black.

The average IQ test score of Whites has been higher than the average IQ test score of Blacks for decades and ever since they started testing. If the smartest eighteen year old in the United States is Black and/or the dumbest eighteen year old in the US is White it doesn't contradict that fact.

But anyone that makes the arguments that I just made are usually cudgeled by the liberals with the "racist" label.

Cultural bias in standardized IQ tests is well documented. Google brings up pages and pages of results. I submit that whites are more educated than blacks therefor score better on IQ tests.

Why would I defend planned parenthood? They are no cause of mine. My reasons for posting on this thread had nothing to do with them and everything to do with keeping the spotlight on Jim and his racists views. It seems to be working.

I have said several times I do not think you are a Racist Mike....are you just missing this part or conveniently ignoring it?

Babboons everywhere are still pretty upset that you compared them to criminals Jim. But Caitlyn SKB is as transparent as glass in his hypocrisy.

He says it's OK for Mike to say that whites are more intelligent than blacks. He absolutely refuses to even acknowledge any of the many Democrats who are demonstrably racist. He didn't even comment about Geo Newbern's funny little joke about Tyrone in the Jokes thread. The arbiter of who's racist and who isn't has me on ignore because I pissed him off by pointing out that he only supports anti-gun Democrats and criticizes pro-gun Republicans.

Let's keep the anti-gun gunsmith in the spotlight.

Here's a couple of my favorite Lyndon B. Johnson quotes, and a link to a story about Democrat racism:

“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/some-of-the-lost-history-in-the-civil-rights-movement

Whites in the 4th grade have a higher average score on standardized tests than Blacks in the 4th grade.

Whites in the 8th grade have a higher average score on standardized tests that Blacks in the 8th grade.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

This will take you to a PDF file. Go to page 24/74

Study

Whites have a higher average SAT score than Blacks.

There is no creditable institution attributing Whites higher average IQ test scores to cultural bias.

There are millions of Black US citizens that are smarter than I am. There are millions of Black US citizens that have more education than I do. But, on average, Whites are smarter than Blacks. On average, they also have more education. And on average, they make more money than Blacks.

I am surprised none of our liberal members want to engage and defend Planned Parenthood.

Try the APA

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/intelligence.aspx

Now look what has happened. LBJ instituted the Great Society programs to "quiet down" Blacks and to buy their votes.

When you combine the creation of a sub-culture like that, and then add in the indoctrinated, sociopathic, Soviet-inspired subjective morality of subversion now followed by the Democrat Party, it's no wonder you have Baltimore and Occupy Wall Street.

Steve I read the article. It doesn't say that the IQ test is culturally biased. It says the score is affected by the culture that someone grew up in. I didn't say Blacks, on average, scored lower on the IQ test because they were genetically inferior. I said that the average White is more intelligent and more educated than the average Black.

And of course, Asian-Americans, on average, outscore Black and Whites on IQ tests. If the test is culturally biased it would seem to put them at the same disadvantage as Blacks.

What about the fact that Blacks average score on the SAT is lower than Whites?

Do you have any response to the Black/White score comparisons I linked to -graduation rates, college levels attained etc...

Again, I am surprised that no one wants to take up the defense of Planned Parenthood, actually on the topic of the thread.

Years ago when talk of the cultural bias in standardized I.Q. and aptitude tests were first discussed, one author claimed that it would be more fair if the SAT or ACT had questions like, "When is Mother's Day?... (answer) The first of the month when the Welfare check comes in the mail... and "What is a deuce-and-a-quarter"... (answer) That's a Buick Electra 225.

Yes, that's the kind of general knowledge that is important to succeed or prosper in a Global Economy!

Mike, our Liberal Libtards ARE defending Planned Parenthood just like they defend Obama's anti-gun record. They are pretending to not see it and they are trying to change the subject by attacking Jim. Disgusting f-ing pukes! You can try to debate Caitlyn SKB, but you won't get anywhere. I'm surprised he hasn't tried telling us he dated Jackie Kennedy or engaged in naked wrestling with Martin Luther King to bolster his credibility.

Mike,
" It says the score is affected by the culture that someone grew up in" You are just re-arraigning the words to get a meaning you want. Black kids grow up in a different culture than white kids and the score is affected by that difference.

Have not had a chance to read through your link. I'll try after lunch.

Standardized tests are joke anyway you look at them. Did you ever take a class on how to test? I have always done very well on standardized tests. Once I took a class on how to take a test it really opened my eyes to what games are played in education. I certainly do not think I'm more intelligent after taking that class. I can tell you I will score better than the vast, vast majority taking those tests. Its nothing but a shell game. The class was on how to use the test itself to improve your SAT scores.

Ok Mike I read through pg 24 and 25. Sounds to me like Texas is doing something correct in regards to education. Notice the rapid improvements in Texas and NY scores over the last decade in all categories. I still do not see this as evidence of higher intelligence. Better scores, better education, better prepared for the world certainly but not more intelligent than white students. I still do not think you are a racist though.....

Suppose there are two identical twins, Black, put up for adoption at birth.

One child is adopted by a Black couple who name him John. The father teaches physics at the local university. The mother teaches English at the local high school. From the beginning the child is read to, taken to museums, church, and family get togethers. John's parents go over his homework and tests each evening after school.

The other child is taken back by the birth mother. Call him Bill. Bill is put in front of the television when he can first sit up. Nobody reads to Bill. Nobody pays much attention to him. Nobody pays any attention to Bill's school work. Nobody pays any attention to his school attendance.

Suppose when they are 18 we give them an IQ test. I predict John will score higher on the IQ test. The culture you are raised in matters in how intelligent you are. But it doesn't mean that the IQ test is culturally biased.

The article you linked to doesn't say the IQ test is culturally biased. It does say the culture you were raised in affects your score. Bill was raised in a culture that didn't value academic achievement. His score was lower than John's. Perhaps Bill was better at rolling a joint or playing basketball or dancing. But that kind of intelligence doesn't help his earnings or his score on the IQ test. But that doesn't reflect cultural bias on the IQ test. Nor does it mean that the fact that the average White outearns the average Black is a consequence of racism.

Again, no liberal debaters stepping up to defend Planned Parenthood or Hillary's endorsement of it and Margaret Sanger? Which would actually be on topic.

In your scenario I still say Bill is not less intelligent than John, just less prepared and educated. Very different things.

How about a Conservative who wants to defend Denny Hastert? Just giving you a bit of grief Mike but I'm sure that will be twisted too. Where is Craig when I need him?

So you concede that John will score higher on the IQ test. Yet they are identical twins. So the test is not culturally biased. Both were raised in Black culture. One was raised in academic household.

But of course John is smarter. His mind is nimble from all the stimulation and reading. He will learn at a faster rate than Bill - all his life. That is what intelligence is really about. How fast you learn. Not what you know. At eighteen John knows much more than Bill. He knows how to read well. And he has read a lot. He can do algebra. He knows history. He can find Africa and Milwaukee on map. He had a higher rate of learning. Bill, sitting in front of the TV, might be able to name all characters in Suge Knight's latest trial or the lyrics to thirty five rap songs or how to roll a joint. But John knows many more facts and understands the world much better. He learned faster in his eighteen years than Bill did. He learned how to learn. He learns because he likes learning. Bill, not so much. John is more intelligent than Bill by any measure.

And even if the things Bill learned were equal in quantity to the things that John learned (they are not) they would not get him in college or sustain him through college.

On average, people that graduated from high school earn more than people that didn't. Same for college. And a high score on an IQ test is a good predictor of whether some one is intelligent enough to get a degree in physics. And getting a degree in physics or math or engineering is a leg up on earning more than someone without those degrees.

So, the average White earns more than the average Black because the average White is more intelligent than the average Black and because they are more educated than the average Black. Not because of "White privilege" or culturally biased IQ tests.

I do concede John will score higher but not that he is more intelligent. Bill is not unable to learn but he has not been raised in a fashion that values learning. This is something that can be changed. Bill could be exposed to whole new group of people who value education and he could embrace it himself. Unlike Tyron in George's very funny joke. While both Bill and John have been raised by black families, clearly Johns family places a much higher value on education. John was raised in a different culture than Bill even though both were raised by Black families. I'm not sure which is more intelligent but I can tell which one was raised properly.

Mike, the only thing that Libtards like Caitlyn SKB would concede is that it is the fault of racist Republican Conservatives that most Chinese/American or White American parents don't teach their kids that the important things to succeed in life are things like looting, jumping on someone else's car, and gaming the Welfare system.

I think all of us could easily and accurately predict that Ken's adopted African children will do quite well and prosper in their adulthood because we have a good idea how he is raising them. It matters not if they are black Africans, white Africans, or Arabic Africans.

Caitlyn SKB, who pretends to ignore me, has now mentioned Geo Newbern's joke about Tyrone since I brought up the obvious hypocrisy, but has not called Geo a racist because Geo is not Jim. This is all about deflecting attention from the original topic and diverting attention to Jim. Typical Liberal Democrat tactics.

Denny Hastert is the lowest kind of scum if he is indeed guilty. No Conservative would defend him or dishonestly refuse to acknowledge that there are bad Republicans and bad RINO's. Caitlyn SKB obviously has no intention of criticizing Hillary for supporting Margaret Sanger any more than he has ever once criticized his hero Barack Obama's failures and anti-gun actions. You gave him about a dozen chances here. It isn't going to happen. That's how Liberal Leftists operate.

So you concede that the IQ test measures that type of knowledge that, on average, leads to higher earnings.

Even if, at eighteen, Bill was capable of learning as fast at John it would take him years to learn the useful stuff that John had learned by the time John was just eighteen. And by that time John is working at MIT teaching math. And Bill still has to go through college before he even gets a decent paying job.

Smart people, on average, are better educated than dumb people. Smart educated people, on average, earn more than dumb uneducated people. Because White people are, on average, more intelligent than Black people, their average earnings are higher than Blacks, not because of "White Privilege."

My opinion is that most, if not all, of the gap between the average White and Black IQ is due to the culture the child was raised in, not his genetics.

Huh, did you think my Tyrone joke was racist Keith? Nah, it was just about hope and change. Y'all don't get me into this thread; my credibility in the racist department is usually in doubt just because I am a Southerner...Geo

"White Privilege" that might be the best joke on misfires in sometime. A bunch of B.S. if I ever heard it. There is nothing privileged about being a White Male in America today.

I completely agree with your last sentence....not genetic but due to environmental factors. I disagree that whites are smarter though, much better educated and prepared for life, not smarter.

Actually, I have no problem putting Ms. Clinton, the late Ms. Sanger, and Mr. Hastert on the same moral plane.

Steve there is a history of a very few children that have been raised by wild animals. Feral children, so to speak. A couple by wolf packs as I remember.

They never could get language down. The window for learning it had closed at, say, five. After the were "rescued" they were never able to learn to put sentences together. The window had closed.

After the fall of the Soviet Union it was discovered that the dictator of Rumania had been breeding children on a mass production factory type model. They were raised by strangers, one adult to twenty children. Their IQs were low. They had a hard time learning to speak.

Investing time in children affects their intelligence.

Again, kind of nonplussed that a liberal isn't stepping up and defending Planned Parenthood, as I keep saying, that would be on topic.

I forgot about the Southern male bit George. If you use the contraction "y'all" and you have testicles you must be a racist.

No Geo, I didn't think your Tyrone joke was racist even though you are a Southerner. I did get a good chuckle out of it and thank you for sharing it.

I was only attacking the credibility of Caitlyn SKB and pointing out his/her frequent hypocrisy because if Jim, craigd, or I had posted the same joke, he/she would be incessantly calling us racists as a lame excuse to avoid the original topic of this thread.

And if you have no balls and worry more about government control of illicit street drugs than Obama administration attacks on free speech pertaining to guns and ammo, you might be a Libtard Colorado gunsmith.

Mike,
I could not agree more that investing time and effort into children pays off. The thing is I'm pretty sure we agree on the issue of intelligence. The main point for me is that blacks are not genetically less intelligent. Environmental factors lead to differences in test scores, not learning ability. Given the same environment I think no statistical difference among races would be found. It kind of goes back to your point about Asians. They place a very high value on education, that environment has an effect and it is higher scores and better education. In this case nurture, not nature.

So then, why is it racist to point out that some folks apparently place a high value on bad parenting and setting poor examples such as looting, burning, drug abuse, etc., but it is not racist to point out the opposite about Asians and make blanket statements concerning that race? Are all Asian parents overachievers who push their kids, or are some criminals and drug addicts?

Looks like Caitlyn SKB is the closet racist here. Why not? He tries to also hide the fact that he only supports Liberal Democrat anti-gun politicians.

Boy, nothing like lumping them into racial categories.

I'll ask though, what the blank are 'environmental factors'? Or, to rephrase, is there an implication of genetic differences if one ethnicity needs an 'investment' and another ethnicity doesn't.

Are you saying we can spend our way out of this one? Honestly, why not just 'regulate' test scores. Instant cure, for free, right. I'm partially inclined to racistly suppose that asian prowess on tests has more to do with fear of the parents rather than their 'nurturing'. Am I wrong?

I had a conversation with two South African guys at Tarlton State University in the mid 80's. They were here, to get an education and hopefully stay in the US. They were all for assimilation and becoming American, NOT african americans. We were in Cal3 and became study partners. These guys were not dumb asses. One night the topic of race came up, and as a young man in my early 20's, their assessment of American blacks was profound.

American businesses needed labor, Africa had laborers. The tribal leaders sold their SUB AVERAGE intelligence, physically fit excess (read burden), to the American slave traders. This is the gene pool we are now dealing with. They were very specific in their words of contempt for what we have in America today.

My mother's doctor was a South African and is an amazing individual. He was the only one of about 6 doctors she had over the last 10 years, who could actually maintain a sensitive balance of her medicines. If I didn't already have a good doctor, he would be my choice. So, no I don't consider myself a racist. However, with regard to American blacks, it is what it is and their is no excuse for savagery. A very strong hand is needed to correct our out of control condition. We are all judged by our actions.

Craig I knew I could count on you. Thanks for showing up and putting words I never dreamed of in mouth. Your a peach old buddy. You know who I think should invest in children? Parents that is who. A wild and crazy liberal idea that a parent should invest in a child and provide a nurturing environment. Radical I know. My point was as group, Asians tend to value eduction greatly and encourage younger generations to strive to better themselves. A totally racist observation I know and equivalent to comparing the them to monkeys I'm sure. Thanks for Twisting things as only you can.

Steve:

If in your last post "environment" means "culture" then we agree. If it means the location of the house, the luxuriousness of the furnishings, the number of bathrooms, the presence or lack of big screen HDTV then we disagree.

But culture matters. Bad culture matters. Good culture matters.

Good parenting matters. Bad parenting matters.

Reading to the toddlers matters. Not reading to the toddlers matters.

If you can get fundamental reading skills and fundamental math skills into them many kids can learn for the rest of their lives. If you miss the reading skills they are doomed to a life of being poor. Math is very important but if they can read they can even catch up there.

Learning how to learn at an early age pays a lifetime of dividends. Failure to learn how to learn costs them for the rest of their life.

IQ actually measures how fast one learns. High IQ means fast learner. Low IQ means slow learner. So the IQ tests do not have a racial bias.

We agree Mike. Culture does matter immensely. I'm not arguing that point in the least.

IQ tests are bunk Mike. They test people who fit the norm they were developed for and have no real bearing on someones intelligence.

here is an article on one study

http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-measure-intelligence

Quote:
"IQ actually measures how fast one learns. High IQ means fast learner. Low IQ means slow learner. So the IQ tests do not have a racial bias."

IQ tests: They only have a racial bias if you're a Black Appologist. Ever wonder why other minorities such as Asians don't whine about this!
I worked in the Research Department of a University for several years and the studies that were conducted debunked this racial bias BS. I believe that there are social issues,single parent households a mother with hardly any education drug use etc. related to low IQs but since everyone has to compete in an environment such as ours they really don't much matter.
Ron White has had it right all along in "You Can't Fix Stupid"!
IQ test have been studied and refined over the years to remove any hint of racial bias but the racists appologists don't want to admit this as factual any more then the want to admit anything else they don't want to believe is factual.

the return of monkey Jim the Grand Wizard of misfires....

http://college.cengage.com/psychology/bernstein/psychology/6e/students/chapter_outlines/ch10.html

"How Valid Are IQ Tests? The validity of IQ tests is difficult to measure, in part because intelligence itself is difficult to define. IQ tests do a reasonably good job of predicting academic and job success, but scores can be distorted by the response to the tester."

From the study you linked to:

"RIP IQ Test?

So should the IQ test that has provided bragging rights for so many be discontinued or discredited?

Not so fast, he says. “Some very valuable research has been carried out using classical IQ testing. However, IQ is a massive oversimplification of the spectrum of human cognitive ability."

And this:

"Gayatri Devi, MD, agrees with the new study findings. She is an attending neurologist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. 'To come up with one unifying score and use that to determine a person’s overall ability is fraught with problems,” she says. 'We need to get away from that.”

So that is not saying they are bunk. It is saying they are one measurement.

My line of thinking is most in line with this part of the quote

"IQ is a massive oversimplification of the spectrum of human cognitive ability."

It may certainly have some value, bunk may be a bit harsh I concede to you. I do not feel it is accurate or comprehensive as an overall indication of intelligence.

And here are SAT scores by year by race:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

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Really: I finally opened one of your assine posts after others told me what you are posting about me. You are a first class Libtard jerk and the fact that virtually everyone else here is stating that apparently goes right over you dumbass Libtard head.

You are a true stupid jerk and I can't imagine anyone even sending you a JABC to work on. A gunsmith? We'll make sure you don't get any recommendations on this forum jerk. You haven't posted ONE meaningful thing on this forum that I know of and the best thing you could do is crawl back into the Libtard hole you emerged from. This forum would be a better place without the likes of you. Go back to sucking up to Obama your mentor.

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IQ tests were developed for human beings. Caitlyn SKB obviously feels differently because he himself scored rather low. We don't need to see his scores on a standardized test to know how dumb he is. He shows us on a regular basis. And on true Liberal fashion, he has diverted the discussion in a lame attempt to avoid having an anti-gun Democrat branded as being supportive of the very racist Margaret Sanger.

Scientific studies prove you wrong.

Truth is the so called blacks that succeed and fit in society have a high percentage of white ancestry....

Nothing racist or white supremest just fact.

You are so good at being the victim Jim. You should have been a Hollywood actor. Funny how you are happy to call others names and dish out personal attacks, yet you cry like the little girl you are when you receive the same treatment. Poor little racist Jim.

Mike,
The SAT is certainly no indication of intelligence. My bet would be that black students have not prepared for the test nearly as well as white students. That test is something that you can study for and learn strategies to improve your scores on. I took a class on how to use the test itself to improve my score on it. The fact that whites score better on the SAT does not surprise me at all but I do not see that as related to intellect.

Probably come back looking like an old hippy van from the summer of love.

Joel,
if you stop eating the mushrooms that grow from your cow patties you will be able to see that these are case colors not a tie dye. Best regards,
Steve

My bet would be that the average White kid is smarter because more whites are raised in a culture where academics are important.

I would also bet that most Whites don't take a prep course for the SAT. Perhaps those hoping to get into Harvard or Columbia but the ones going to state college - naw.

Here are some links that confirm the benefits of reading to young children:

This one states that it enhances language smarts (an SAT advantage)
http://readingfoundation.org/the-solutio...CFZSGaQodD70Abw

http://www.reachoutandread.org/why-we-work/importance-of-reading-aloud/

http://www.reachoutandread.org/why-we-work/importance-of-reading-aloud/

And that is just one activity parents can do with young children. The parents can pay attention to their school work, homework, and grades.

The SAT is a good indicator for future academic performance.

Any of my liberal friends care to defend Planned Parenthood, or Hillary's embrace of Sanger's ideology? Which would actually be on topic.

Mike to debunk your theory just look at History...

Just a short time ago the African native was still living in grass and mud huts using the simplest of tools. They had never built a boat bigger than a dug out canoe.

You think this was because they didn't have mother Mike teaching them ?

Another fact for you religious zealots that don't want to face reality...

God made blacks and whites to be separate...two separate races of humans. Not all cross breeding's are a success...the troubled blacks in our country are living proof.

Look at Al Sharpton...he's no where near full blooded African. He's one of the interbred genetic screw up's from the slave days.

Maybe things have changed Mike. In my school when I graduated in the late 1980's anyone who was considering college was highly encouraged to take the prep course. I'm not sure how things are today. I had no plans to go to college during my senior year of HS and returned to work in the commercial fishing industry in Kodiak AK after graduation. My teachers still pushed me to take the course. Things might be different today.

You and Mike are bonding....how sweet.

OK Joe, what chapter and verse in the says the average Blacks is not as smart as the average White? And where does it attribute that gap to to genetics.

The ability to pass knowledge from one generation to another is a hallmark of humanity and the reason we are at the top of the food chain of the earth. At one time that knowledge was not written down, it was oral, including some of the Old Testament. Oral science, oral weather knowledge, oral history.

What about those Blacks that score higher on IQ tests, SAT tests, and school work than the average White?

Mike....Better question is what percentage of white blood do they have ?




Ps..I'd be careful using words like "oral" around your new liberal communist friend.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...ersity/7119531/

This kid must hiding his white blood pretty damn well.

Steve has been my friend for a decade.

No, the better question is the one I asked: "OK Joe, what chapter and verse in the Bible says the average Black is not as smart as the average White? And where does it attribute that gap to to genetics."

And jOe, where is your proof that genetics causes the average White to be more intelligent than the average Black?

I've seen lots of your opinions, but no facts.

Tell me jOe, just to sort of stay on topic, what do you think of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood.

Steve, as I said earlier, if the smartest eighteen year old in the nation is Black and/or the dumbest eighteen year old in the nation is White it doesn't contradict the fact that the average White is smarter than the average Black.

You and I agreed we think the gap comes from culture. jOe thinks it is genetic.

Use your liberal brain to think for yourself...

This is America...Just because a black person is dark doesn't mean they have no white blood in them.

Mike here's a job for you internet research queens.

Before you can defend the American black race you need to do some research and know who you are defending.

I contend there are only a handful of pure blooded African blacks in our country...the rest are hybrids of the black and white race.

So who are you defending Mike ?

Tell me jOe, just to sort of stay on topic, what do you think of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood?

I'm on topic.....you're the guy heading into liberal in la la land

Well refresh my memory. I can't find what you said about Margaret Sanger or Planned Parenthood, actually the topic of the thread.

I just received this in my email. Boy does it make our point!
Jim

http://www.fixthisnation.com/conservative-breaking-news/judge-if-blacks-fail-the-test-is-racist/

James,
Slick Willie actually nominated that witch, Kimba Wood, for US Attorney General, when he was president. Things could be much worse, believe it or not.
She was tripped up for employing an undocumented (Illegal) worker, if I recall correctly. Bet that wouldn't be a problem, today.

Best,
Ted

If it has a disparate impact on Blacks it has to be racist.

So, the failure to enforce the law and deport illegal aliens is racist because it has a disparate impact on our Black citizens' employment rate and wage rates.

And Planned Parenthood is racist, because it kills Black babies at a higher per capita rate than White Babies (as was Margaret Sanger's intention).

Racist is as racist does.

I dunno Steve. Sitting back and reading for a bit, I still see a bunch of lump 'em into categories thoughts. Culture and IQ have preplanned excuses, for certain races.

Sure, you said that parents should nurture, but you didn't seem too sincere. That's fine by me, but doesn't blaming whitey for crafting IQ tests and hyper attacking one monkey picture seem to show the preference for division based on race.

Not so Craig but you are able to read into things and see stuff no one else can. My hat is off to to you. It is real skill you have.

I'm hardly blaming whitey for crafting IQ tests. I do not think they paint an accurate or complete picture of intellect, and not just just for blacks but for many that fit outside the norm. Did you even read the article I linked to? The article talks about Gamers, Smokers, people with anxiety but does not even mention race. Or you could google IQ test validity. Pages of stuff on the subject and most of it has little to do with race. Making observations about a group, race etc in itself is not racist, when we start degrading people and making jokes about them being the same as animals it is racist. Ok Craig now go ahead and twist this into something it was not meant to be. It is your calling.

Gee thanks Steve, but I'll give it a go anyways. How about this, as I'm your 'peach', you may be Jim's 'peach'.

Back to the IQ test, I resent your attacks. It's how I can feel like I'm the smartest guy in the room. Whoa, just kidding, I must have a warped sense of values. Anyway, can a gunsmith tell a customer, I botched the job because I'm a....gamer, smoker, have anxiety issues, etc.

I know you need to tread delicately, but can a young person say, I botched the IQ test because I'm black. Apparently so? Actually, I couldn't care less about the test, I can't recall ever taking one.

Mostly, I think it's odd that there's an auto defense for race by trying intellectual gymnastics. The poor dumb black guy gets a pass because of 'culture', the rich highly educated and nurtured supreme court nominee gets a pass because of culture. I dunno, I guess pc may us feel better.

Steve:

Whites have a higher average score than Blacks on IQ Tests.

Whites have a higher average score than Blacks on the SAT test.

Whites have a higher average score than Blacks on standardized 4th grade tests.

Whites have a higher average score than Blacks on standardized 8th grade tests.

So it is not "one number" that says that Whites are more intelligent than Blacks.

And I repeat: I believe Blacks are less intelligent because of culture, not because of genetics.

Craig,
That sounds ducky to me. You can pass along to Jim the mutual love and we can sing kum ba yah together. I'm starting getting a warm fuzzy feeling

I'm not saying anyone gets a pass for being dumb, botching a job or an IQ test. I am saying I do not think it accurately measure intellect. I agree with Mike that the culture many blacks are raised in does not place enough value on education. Is that giving someone a pass or laying responsibility with the parent? I'm sure you will have a deeply insightful view of my response.
Steve

Mike,
I agree with you that culture is the root of the problem.
I do not agree that standardized tests like the multitude you listed are an accurate gauge of intelligence.

I'll drop you a PM on this one.
Steve

I started this thread with the below exhibit:
After 3 days and 11 pages not ONE of the Libtards on this forum has shown the backbone to denounce Hillary Clinton for what she is!

Hey J.R.B., those are case colors, but they were probably done by someone else while Caitlyn SKB was smoking his bong. Here's a quote from him/her admitting to Ken61 that he had an employee who was doing his rust blueing work:



He/she also said that he/she did no rust blueing and left that work to an employee, in another recent thread. Doug (PA24) and I got a chuckle out of that and wondered what he actually really does do on his/her own except utilize sub-contractors. He/she also mentioned that he farmed out the welding work on a square bridge bolt action he/she proudly displayed in the Custom and Classic Rifle forum recently.

Maybe you should play the same game and post some pictures of the case coloring and rust blueing work that Doug did for you and act like you did it yourself. Doug is an Airline pilot by profession, and a hobby gunsmith, but his case coloring, blueing, and restoration work makes Caitlyn's look amateurish in comparison. God help us all if Caitlyn SKB ever tried to fly a Passenger Jet!

Do you farm out the work done in your Machine Shop business and then claim to be a machinist? I didn't think so. We have guys like Dewey Vicknair here who are real gunsmiths with a wide range of real talent, and we also have Liberal poseurs who pretend to be something they are not. It reminds me of a certain small time Nova Scotian grape grower who acted like he produced award winning wines... which were actually made by someone else. We see that behavior with Caitlyn SKB all the time when he/she pretends to be a big time pro-gun Conservative, yet he/she only emerges to attack Conservative Republicans and will go to any length to provide support and cover for Liberal Left anti-gunners like Obama and Hillary and never attack them except to claim that he/she doesn't like them. No one with an ounce of brains believes that. Actions speak louder than dishonest words.

PA24 Doug is the only man that will ever touch one of my doubles. I've done a little bit of machining for him too on a hollow point bullet mould and I made a special soft blow hammer for barrel dent work. Compared to the work Doug has done for me, my work in return is JUNK. I wouldn't dream of taking his credit.

I know you wouldn't J.R.B.

That's the difference between you and poseurs like Caitlyn SKB and King Brown., who think they can childishly pretend to be something they're not. Even more childish is their notion that no one will notice. But were all supposed to be polite and civil here and pretend not to notice while Libtards lie to us, right? Doug showed me some pictures of some of your machinist work by the way. He told me what a good machinist you are, and it shows.

You know it's been awhile since "Ed the Torch" has posted here. I don't want to go too far off track in this thread but is it possible he's now working for SKB??
Jim

Passing secret notes to your closet liberal sweetheart...

All statistics prove you both wrong.

Are you wearing your hood and robe while you type today's racist rant Monkey Jim?

It would appear you been hitting the bong again...

I wasn’t going to comment because I’m indifferent to Planned Parenthood.

That said, you guys don’t know what you’re talking about. Eugenics was an American idea borrowed by the Nazis.

The roots of eugenics are in Michigan. Dr. Kellogg (the cereal guy) funded early eugenics research. Michigan was the first state to have involuntary sterilization. The state universities taught it as curriculum and there’s statues and buildings named after prominent eugenicists all of the state.

If you’re going to condemn Sanger you need to condemn just about every intellectual of that age. Carnegie, Rockefeller, Alexander Graham Bell -all eugenicists. Many black intellectuals were eugenicists. W.E.B Du Bois was friends with Sanger. She was a racist by today's standards but not by the standards of her time.

Margaret Sanger never advocated abortion. Her eugenics approach was birth control and sterilization. I’m not trying to defend her but she didn’t condone abortion and Planned Parenthood didn’t get into the abortion business until after she had died. Not that I care either way...

I think the point of the topic was about the path of least resistance for the first queen of the US, because she's demanding the coronation in today's world.

All I can offer is anecdotal evidence. I've heard stories of a pretty slick gunsmith who had a chance to take college prep classes in high school, but decided to take a different path.

Good thing it wasn't an either or, and that third or seventh or twelfth choice was gunsmithing. Who cares if someone doesn't value education as much as the white culture does, that doesn't make anyone else a second class citizen.

Instead of lump'in 'em all together as culturally deficient, maybe the culture of violence and entitlement should be stomped out like gun ownership and hunting, in rapidly accelerating increments.

Who said I did not go to college? Or leave a lucrative career in a highly technical field before I decided to become a gunsmith? Good thing you don't assume to know the full story Craig.

I hardly said anyone was a second class citizen. Your putting words in my mouth again. No surprises in that though eh?

stomping out the entitlement culture is a great idea. A parent getting a child ready for the world through teaching the child to value education would be an excellent place to start in my view. A change in culture if you will.

What happened? It seems like Jim missed the notice on the Kum Ba Yah session. Just when I thought I could count on you......

Cool jOe. Link to some statistics that have proved that the reason Blacks, on average, are less intelligent than Whites because of their genetics and not culture.

Well Steve, thanks for being reliable. I honestly can't tell you who typed you didn't go to college, but I can tell you that it wasn't me, eh. I typed only what I read from a post of yours, 1)you decided not to take a college prep high school class, and 2) you did something else, as I remember it, commercial fishing. Can I assume I'm right?

Agreed, a parent that values and teaches to value education can be an excellent place to start, but it's not the only place to start. If I want a box of ducky loads from the corner store, I want to buy it from the kid who's saving up for college, not a neurosurgeon who can't find other work. If I have a plumbing problem, I want a proctologist, not an art major, or maybe I needed a plumber, that I promise I won't assume that gender neutral plumber did not go to college.

My opinion alone, not everyone is lower school or college material, but that doesn't mean there's the slightest bit of a problem. I do not want that kid to be forcefed a high dollar easy to get student loan, or 'free' community college. Is it discriminatory to require a college degree to sell pot in CO?

Sorry RyanF, but the roots of Eugenics go back long before Michigan was even thought of. Infanticide was practiced in Sparta to improve the fighting capabilities of the population. Here's a quote from the Greek philosopher Plato who lived from 488 to 347 B.C.:

"The good must be paired with the good, and the bad with the bad, and the offspring of the one must be reared and of the other destroyed; in this way the flock will be preserved in prime condition."

There were early practitioners of Eugenics all over the world who pre-dated the founding of the U.S., and modern Eugenics was founded in Great Britain, but your "facts" that purport to show that it was the U.S. that taught the Nazis is pure B.S. that was unsuccessfully used as a defense by Nazi defendants in the Nuremburg War Crimes trials.

I have read Genetics textbooks that claim there is less than a 2% difference genetically across the entire human race... but that seemingly small difference is actually huge. There absolutely are well known and documented genetic and evolutionary differences that cannot be explained by upbringing or culture, no matter what Caitlyn SKB wants to believe. Blacks on average do indeed score lower on intelligence tests. Blacks also tend to begin walking at an earlier age than whites on average, but the difference is only by a month or so. Among mammals and primates, typically later walking is associated with higher intelligence. There is a genetic reason that Africans from Kenya dominated long distance running for years. Native American Indians have a greater chance of becoming alcoholics due to a mutation of the gene for the enzyme aldehyde dehydrogenase, which plays a major role in metabolizing alcohol. The mutation is found very frequently in Chinese and Japanese populations but is less common among other Asian groups, including Koreans, the Malayo-Polynesian group, and others native to the Pacific Rim. We could go on for days listing documented differences that lead to everything from aberrant behavior to a propensity for inventiveness and building complex societies. How many links do you want Mike? A thousand wouldn't satisfy an agenda driven Libtard like Caitlyn SKB.

Modern humans left Africa 60-80,000 years ago and spread into every kind of geographic and climate extreme, and they evolved slightly differently, both physically and mentally. Humans were evolving within Africa for over 100,000 years before they left, and there are different traits within different tribes of Africans. Caitlyn SKB can provide a link to a highly intelligent black kid who might very well have that inborn higher I.Q. because his Great Great Great Grandfather was Thomas Jefferson. Or not. But Jim's picture from another thread does not show black Pediatric Neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson and his family jumping on a car during a riot. I would vote for Ben Carson over lily white Hillary, and I'm pretty certain Jim would too.

Caitlyn SKB is opinionated about this... but he/she is dead wrong. That wouldn't sink in for him/her because he/she is also one of the unlucky whites who has a lower I.Q than the average... no matter what race or color.

Yes I did commercial fishing right out of high school , then college, then some time in the telecommunications field, back to college for gunsmithing. I never once said I did not go. I took the college prep class while in high school and received very good SAT scores. Your assumptions are often incorrect.

The 2% difference is not applicable to our species. The 2% figure is used to describe the genetic differences between our species and Chimpanzees.

The genetic differences within Humanity, on a percentage scale, is so tiny as not to be significant. The reason is that approx. 74,000 years ago the volcano Toba erupted on the island of Sumatra. It was an extinction level event, causing a massive volcanic Winter that lasted around 1,000 years. At that time, Humanity was fairly spread world wide, a mixture of people, primarily Cro-Magnon (us), but with populations of Neanderthals as well. It nearly wiped Humanity out. It is estimated from genetic backtracking, that the Cro-Magnon population world-wide was reduced to around 2,000 breeding females, with the main population concentrated in East Africa around the Great Rift Valley. We know this because that area has the greatest genetic diversity, with diversity decreasing the farther away from East Africa you go. Neanderthals also survived, with small populations around the Mediterranean Basin and possibly Southern Europe.

Human populations did not recover from this until around 50,000 years ago, when Cro-Magons expanded around the world into the areas they now occupy. This is why this genetic talk is absurd. Human differences as far as intelligence are not related to genetics. Real, meaningful differences are entirely subcultural.

Geneticists have found more genetic diversity, as a percentage basis, in a troupe of 54 Chimpanzees than in the entire human world population.

Quite a different explanation of the origins of Cro-Magnon Man:
Jim

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life32.htm

Craig,
Mike Rowe said it better than I could. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Instilling a work ethic and soft skills in today's youth.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...ssue-but-it-is/

Amen

Completely unscientific. A faith-based belief. The origins of Cro-Magnon are well known. The physical traits, as well as the cultural adaptations first appeared around 200,000 years ago. The immediate ancestor was the "Archaic" species of Hom0 Heidelburgenesis/Hom0 Rhodesiensis. The same ancestor of Neanderthals as well.

Okay, okay, you win. The odds and ends that you did are none of my business, but it does seem, is that like an assumption, that there were multiple options.

Your Rowe article is interesting. Is it fair to assume that it's about education and culture? This is what I assume about it. I can extrapolate that intelligence is about political expediency, not culture, and it's legitimized by folks force feeding us that we're different and require different standards.

Sorry to engage you on this one, I saw it as overall being about assumptions too. Since I got you on the phone, and don't comment if you prefer not too. You mentioned your Mauser featured '03 with the side mount scope base on the rifle forum has British influences, Alex Henry. If I'm not mixing it up with your project sporter, what was the original inspiration rifle/stock chambered for. Only asking because I think I see bigger bore/express styling features.

I sort of had to make my options, no free rides. I worked to pay for school. Anyway, enough on that.

It is my project 03 that has some AH influences. I took a copy of the cheek piece from my original rifle. I also had a Ribgy in the shop when I was playing with that pattern and it influenced the fore end on the project rifle. The 03 with the side mount is mostly American Classic/G&H influenced in the stock. The Metal work, 1/4 rib and front sight show British influence being in the H&H pattern.

There was a scientific study done years ago the proved eating eggs regularly was really bad for you. Most people believed it and cut down to 1 or 2 eggs per week. Since then additional studies have shown the original one was complete hokum.
Something is "scientic" only as long as a subset of the population believes it's true. As far as I know the Cro-Magnon remains found don't date to anywhere near 200,000 years and Cro-Magnons don't look anything like the other remains. Since most of the "studies" on ancient homonids is based upon very scant evidence the conclusions IMO are pure speculation.

Now after 4 days and 13 pages no Libtard has come forth to denounce H. Clinton for what she really is - a closet racist. Also note that the Libtards have deserted this thread like the rats they are who would desert a sinking ship! I will keep bringing this graphic up as it definitely shows just what hypocrites they really are.
Jim

This is again drifting into a "Creationism" debate. Creationism, and all the pseudo-science used to support it, is a faith-based religious belief. I have absolutely no problem with anyone who believes in it. It is irrelevant.

It is the "Hammer" the religious statists use to discredit Christianity, asserting that if the creation beliefs are not true, neither is the Christian subjective morality of individual freedom and equality. Then, they are free to indoctrinate their sociopathic statist religious beliefs and actually have the gall to call it "Secular". It needs to constantly pointed out that their beliefs are not only religious, but unconstitutionally sociopathic. This is exactly what has happened in the Public School System, it has become, on a de facto basis, a parochial system indoctrinating unconstitutional religious statism.

What I don't understand is why Christians have a need to try to debate it scientifically. The proper response would be to say: "It's my belief, and I'm free to believe it under the Constitution". Then, the resulting morality of individual freedom and equality should be pointed out, and contrasted with religious statism.

This is the issue, and needs to be pointed out anytime a debate ensues.

My religious beliefs are just that:
My own personal beliefs that I don't try to force on anyone else.
I was an agnostic for over 30 years and probably would still be one had I not gone through some life changing events.
I don't subscribe to the literal intreperation of the Bible school either as:
1: The Bible has been interpreted and translated into several different versions over the years. Is one version more accurate then the others?
2: My belief is that the Bible authors wrote in a vague manner and whether this was done on purpose or not is and probably will always remain unknown.
3: There are glaring errors in the Bible from a scientific perspective due to the limited understanding of the universe at that time. Here's one example: It you read the passages where the sun stands still to allow a battle to be completed in full light most people immediatley know it's wrong. The earth at that time was considered the center of the universe with the sun,stars etc. rotating around it and stopping the sun was believed would result in continuous daylight. We now know that the Earth would have had to stand still not the sun for that "miracle" to occur.
Jim



Joshua 10:13

The Sun Stands Still
12Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.…

I for one, am fascinated by the history of the development of the Bible. If you remember that within the context of the Latin language, it was never really designed to be read by the average citizen, always requiring interpretation by the local priest. In reality, it was a handbook designed to provide information for sermons delivered down in the local churches. You can find a justification for about any action, to be framed within the context of Christian morality. It's a handbook of Morality examples.

The Reformation was truly a pivotal occurrence within Christianity, as it removed the necessity of having the Catholic Church as an intermediary, allowing a personal relationship with one's own faith. It was this that resulted in the development of the concept of the Individual, and consequently individual freedom and equality. This is what is being attacked in the religious war between Statism and Christianity.

"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us? Here am I, send me!" Isaiah, 6:8.

Ken, although I distinctly recall reading about the 2% genetic diversity and also heard Genetics and Biology Professors repeat that number, I just did a little checking and found estimates ranging from .1% to over 10%. Here's a link reporting on some recent research claiming that the percentage is actually much higher than previously believed:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061123115741.htm

No matter though. What matters is that a very small amount of genetic variation expresses itself as almost every difference we see within races or groups or individuals that cannot be attributed to physical injury or cultural upbringing. Everything from skin color to skull shape to susceptibility to Sickle Cell Anemia, Tay-Sachs disease, or BRAC II induced breast cancer is genetic. An Eskimo infant raised from birth at the equator will still have Eskimo features and a thicker layer of subcutaneous fat. Dwarf parents are much more likely to have dwarf children even though the gene for dwarfism is highly recessive. A specific number and order of gene sequences can give a person Einstein or Stephen Hawking intelligence... or the Mongoloid intelligence level of Caitlyn SKB. I have read about the Toba volcano near-extinction event, but over 2000 generations have passed since then giving ample opportunities for natural selection and natural mutation to create radical differences among the world's human population. The Toba volcano may have been the driving force behind food shortages that compelled humans to migrate to every corner of the planet. We clearly see those resulting differences, and only uninformed and agenda driven Libtards are hell bent on blaming recognition of the facts on white Republicans who create biased I.Q. Tests designed to keep people down. Generalizations are difficult because, as I pointed out earlier, one black could have abnormally high intelligence because a recessive gene from Thomas Jefferson expressed itself. It's just as possible that Thomas Jefferson inherited his intelligence from some long ago Asiatic ancestor. The opposite could also be seen when the offspring of genius level parents turns out to be well below average because there was a clinical idiot in one or both parent's ancestry. It's mathematically unlikely, but two brown haired dark skinned parents could produce a light skinned red-headed child if that recessive gene expresses itself. But it is much more likely that highly intelligent parents will produce highly intelligent offspring, and all the nurturing and teaching in the world will not turn a low intelligence baby into a Mozart or a DaVinci.

Keith,

The significance of that study, in terms of genetic variation, focuses on number of copies and DNA sequences contained. Not "different" genes, like found in other species. True, the copies and sequencing have potential for great impact, the medical industry is attempting to use them as predictors of disease, but the differences are more on the biochemical level. I'm not aware that anyone is asserting that they impact something as general as the concept of Intelligence. Certainly not with skin color as the basis.

The sequence of our genes is what we are, but genes are only a small fraction of our DNA. It is a very long double helix chain unique to each of us consisting of pairs of only four nucleotides, adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine. It is all biochemical and it determines how, when, and where every cell in our bodies develops, lives, and functions. It determines our development from the moment of conception and determines virtually everything about us from skin color to hair texture to diseases we may be predisposed to, and it certainly includes our intelligence. If we could exactly clone Albert Einstein's brain, we would not have Albert Einstein, but the neural functioning, the synapses, and the mental capacity would be identical in every way. But if intelligence was mostly nurture vs. nature, or developed instead of inherited as you and Mike contend, we would expect to find that Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking's siblings who were raised by the same parents under virtually the same conditions and environment would also be geniuses. That just does not happen.

I just finished telling Mike I just didn't have the time tonite to provide the links to prove my contention, but for the hell of it, I just took a quick look at several articles. I noted that we could both find plenty of links to "prove" our contentions, but the majority seem to favor nature over nurture as a predictor of intelligence. Here is one good article you might enjoy. http://www.wired.com/2013/07/genetics-of-iq/

I'm sure you'll find a few gotcha's in it, but I found the ideas put forth by Steve Hsu very interesting where he feels that the genome may have as many as 10,000 different locations that determine intelligence, and that mutations on some of them, inherited or otherwise, have an additive negative effect upon our intelligence. In other words, an Albert Einstein or a Stephen Hawking has a lesser number of mutations in those estimated 10,000 locations where zero or few mutations might produce a 150 I.Q. and 100 mutations might produce a 100 or average I.Q. I do know from reading prior twin studies that nurture or upbringing has a small effect upon I.Q. which is why I strongly believe that it is mostly inherited. And the Kenyan athlete I mentioned earlier will still need training and conditioning to win Marathons despite being genetically predisposed to running long distances quickly.

And there lies the root of the evil in our country...

The significance of the Toba event was that it nearly caused the extinction of Humanity. That is why there is an identifiable "Bottleneck" in the Human Genome dated to that time. It is estimated that there may have been a 90% or more extinction of human genetic lines due to the event. Approx. 25,000 years later surviving human populations had recovered to the point that the normal paleolithic expansion/migration pattern could resume. It was due to this that our current species could once again spread across the world. The Americas being the last continents to be inhabited, consequentially the areas with the smallest genetic diversity among original (post-Toba) inhabitants. This is the reason why there were such massive die-offs when the Exploration/Colonial period occurred, as the populations had little natural immunity to diseases from the Old World.

Intelligence is spread throughout Humanity, with variations of it being similar within populations. I'm starting a new thread regarding Genetic Diversity within Humanity, so as not to continue hijacking this one.

The key word here is "similar"... which does not mean identical.

All humans have similar skulls with identifiable differences between the races. Blood can sometimes be transfused without rejection. Caucasians can successfully breed with Asians who can breed with Black Africans. In spite of 60-80,000 years of divergent evolution, there are still way more similarities than differences because 60-80,000 is a mere blink of an eye. If the entire human race was indeed reduced to only a few thousand breeding pairs by Toba, even that small number, along with divergent evolution, could absolutely explain the measurable difference in AVERAGE intelligence between the races. Smaller numbers than that are routinely used to provide statistically significant results with breeding experiments using anything from fruit flies to mice in Genetics experiments. Mendel and Darwin didn't use millions or billions of samples to prove their hypothesis'. This argument about intelligence between the races seems to disappear when you get back to a time where we don't really know the color of ancient man. There is no controversy or disagreement that there were much more significant differences and jumps in early man's INHERITED intelligence when you go back 500,00 or even 2 million years ago.

You just do not see any San Bushmen from Australia in the medical or technical fields. Not saying it isn't at all possible, but that sub-race has the lowest average I.Q. in the world closely followed by African Pygmies. Here's another good article for Mike:

http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap14.html

Over the years while reading the old books of many of the famous White Hunters like Sir Samuel Baker and W.D.M. Bell, I noticed the authors often commented on the characteristics of the different tribes they encountered as they trekked all over Africa. They noted that some tribes such as primitive pygmies were suited for only the most simple tasks, others best suited for porters who could carry heavy loads of ivory and supplies for days with little food or water, while others were as quick witted as any Englishman an most suited for tracking and ambushing game. Even if there were not so many tribes and cultures in Africa, it would be difficult to generalize. We do know there was a bit of natural selection going on when some were able to be captured by smarter or stronger others and sold into slavery and exported.

Day 5 and STILL none of the Libtards who infest this forum has repudiated H. Clinton as a closet racist!! I fully intend to continue bringing this up to demonstrate the hypocracy of these Libtards!
Jim

Isolated sub-cultures, usually due to geographics, do have a tendency to inbreed to the extent that it may have an effect on characteristics. Intelligence is one characteristic, as well as physical ones. This is an exception rather than the rule, as during the Paleolithic migration was much more common throughout Humanity. I'm not aware of any data regarding the San, which were isolated in Southern Africa due to the Kalahari, but there have been studies done on others such as the Masai, tracking members activities and health once moving to modern urban areas.The aborigines of Australia is also an example of isolation, especially their physical features, but again, I'm not aware of intelligence comparisons.

All the characteristics you listed could still be explained due to sub-cultural teaching and values. Primitive cultures tended to develop behaviors and values in ways to take full advantage of the resources of their ecosystems. It is still not indicative of any real intelligence differences within Humanity.


Here's food for thought, from an article that explores both sides.

http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm

In Germany, a study of kids fathered by foreign soldiers and raised by German women found that kids with white biological dads scored the same as kids with biological dads of "African" origin. Hereditarians (scholars who advocate genetic explanations) complain that the sample was skewed because at least 20 percent of the "African" dads were white North Africans. I find that complaint pretty interesting, since it implies that North Africans are a lot smarter than other "whites." Their better critique is that the pool of blacks in the U.S. military had already been filtered by IQ tests. Even environmentalists (scholars who advocate nongenetic explanations) concede that this filter radically distorted the numbers. But again, the complaint teaches a lesson: In any nonrandom pool of people, you can't deduce even average IQ from race.

Quote from Ken:
"Primitive cultures tended to develop behaviors and values in ways to take full advantage of the resources of their ecosystems. It is still not indicative of any real intelligence differences within Humanity."

If you subscribe to the main line regarding evolution we were all primitave cultures at one time. So how is it that some of these cultures such as Whites and Asians made such headway scientifically in the last couple of hundred years and others would probably still be living a primative lifestyle if they hadn't been influenced by exposure to more advanced cultures?
For example: Are you maintaining that because Blacks evolved in Africa the ecosystem there somehow inhibited there advancement? Since South Africa at one time was a highly advanced culture this fact belies that theory.
Jim

You are correct that the San Bushmen were natives of Africa, not Australia as I had erroneously recalled. But many peoples spent eons isolated from the rest of humanity and their average intelligence became genetically altered as a result. Those alterations tend to follow their offspring even when the isolated and environmental conditions are taken out of the equation. It appears that it was not just a brutally challenging environment that caused these changes to increase inherited intelligence, but more likely a changing and diverse environment. This could explain why Eskimos who live and die in one climate extreme have a lower average intelligence that that of Northern Asians who lived in extremes of heat and cold and needed to find and develop food sources in a number of widely differing conditions. It's probably more than mere coincidence that they also have the highest average I.Q.'s in the world despite also living in somewhat isolated conditions.

I quickly skimmed over your link and like what I see so far because it seems to support a lot of my contentions which are not so much personal opinion as they are opinion formed from observations and reading other sources. I'll read it in detail when I get home tonight.

But, Jim is quite correct that we have gotten off topic and allowed the Libtards to get away with dancing away from the original topic and original question.

I'm glad Jim plans to persist in asking the question. I think he knows deep down that he'll never get an honest answer from the Leftist Socialists who support Hillary but don't have the courage or convictions to admit it. I hope you keep hammering them with this Jim... Right up to November 2016 if necessary. The best way to prove what we've been saying here about Liberals and Liberalism is to let them prove it to us with their own words and actions.

In this case, their silence about Hillary's admiration for Margaret Sanger speaks volumes!

There are many reasons for scientific advancement. "Primitive" is a subjective word, that needs to be qualified. In this case, we're talking about science, while in other instances such as social development, cultures that are considered primitive can actually be highly developed. As far as Western Civilization, great leaps were made at the end of the Dark Ages after the Fall of Rome, beginning with the Renaissance. Scientific advancement really didn't get going until the development of the Scientific Method, a standard still in use today. Unless you happen to believe in Man-Made Climate Change. Quite a bit of scientific development depends on how the information is disseminated. Mathematics was certainly highly developed in India, Sanitation and Health in Japan, and numerous other disciplines were well developed in China. Medical Science in the Islamic World was superior to Europe during the Dark Ages, but there's evidence that it was in part due to the existence of the Alexandria Library which preserved Galen's works, up until it was destroyed by Christian fanatics.

Which South African culture are you referring to? The Zimbabwe civilization? Or, the highly developed herding cultures of the Bantu ethnic group like the Xhosa, Matabele, or the Zulu?

Quote:
"Which South African culture are you referring to? The Zimbabwe civilization? Or, the highly developed herding cultures of the Bantu ethnic group like the Xhosa, Matabele, or the Zulu?"

None of the above. I am referring specifically to the Boers, those Dutch-Germans that colonized that Country and turned it into an economic power. South Africa,which is still economically ahead of every other African nation, is no where as advanced as it used to be.
Even under "White Rule" the non-whites in South Africa had the highest standard of living of any Black group in Africa. Whether the Blacks gaining control under the Communist Mandela will have positive long term effect remains to be seen. This is something the true "racists", who are in reality appologists like those that remain silent on Clinton, would just as soon forget.
Additionally the Whites who remained in South Africa continue to be assaulted and murdered at an appalling rate.

Cripes…am I the libertarian libtard that’s supposed to denounce Hillary so this thread can die? The thought that anyone here will vote for Hillary is absurd. Any man who votes for Hillary should have his nuts cut off and thrown into a wood chipper.

I don’t understand the obsession with Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. There so many better reasons to denounce Hillary. I’ll denounce Hillary for being an ugly old hag and an anti-gun drunk.

I’ve got no real issue with Sanger. She didn’t much care for breeding habits of Africans, immigrants, and poor people. I feel the same way in 2015. Making more babies than you can feed is stupid.

Judge Sanger by the standards of her day. Eugenics was widely accepted, and if you called someone a racist before WW2 they wouldn’t of had a clue what you were saying. The word “racism” didn’t exist before the late 1930’s. Literally wasn’t in the dictionary.

On the other hand, comparing blacks to baboons is definitely considered racist in 2015. Sanger’s may be on firmer ground than some people here…

I couldn't say if Jimbo is a racist but, he sure has a fragile ego. (Evidenced by the infamous ignore list. An Italian thing?) Weeks later, he's still fuming for being called a racist -after he said the comparison would probably be considered racist when he posted it. If you’re going to get all butt hurt over being called a racist, then don’t post stuff you know will be considered offensive. At least jOe owns his posts.

Hey Ryan:
With all "due" respect:
Why don't you take a hike. If you don't want to read what's on this thread just what the Hell are you doing here? At any given time there are multiple threads on this forum I don't care about but I do respect the interests of others and shut the Hell up about it.
I started this thread and I'LL decide when its run its course. If I want to tweak Libtards on their hypocracy up until election night next year it's my perogative to do so.
And another point; as we know that, with some certainty. "members" here voted for the Kenyan twice. If they're dumb enough to do that they'll probably vote for Clinton in 2016 IF she gets the nomination which is becoming less certain day by day.
Jim

Hi Ryan:

I don't think that liberals are retarded.

Eugenics was controversial even at the peak of its acceptance. And as a movement was never in the majority here. When WWII was over and it was discovered that the Nazis had euthanized millions of people they deemed unworthy of life eugenics fell into disfavor. The Nazis had decided that Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, homosexuals and others needed to be excised from the gene pool. The Nazis were on the leading edge of eugenics until the Red army rolled into Berlin.

The German American Bund and its leader, Herr Kuhn, were contemporary movements to Ms. Sanger's eugenics campaign. Of course they were Nazis, but don't throw the bath water out with the aborted baby. After all, as stated previously, Ms. Sanger used the pages of her organization's magazine to reprint an article by the German Nazi (Ernst Rudin) in charge of the Eugenics program of Herr Hitler (before Herr Hitler had advanced the practice of eugenics to its apex in Dachau, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belzen, Sobibor and many other mass production murder eugenics facilities).

Now suppose we get up in the morning and read that Jeb Bush said "I admire Fritz Kuhn enormously, his courage, his tenacity, his vision..." while accepting an award from the American Nazi Party.

Mike I think Ed torched your brain.

Well jOe, I am glad you have followed Caitlyn Jenner's example and have come out of the closet and decided to show your true liberal self. "To thine own self be true."

The pressure of posing as a conservative all those decades must have been exhausting. At least that is what your soul mate Caitlyn wrote.

Editorial From the June 10 Baltimore Sun. I'd highly recommend you ALL read it in it's entirely:

From the Baltimore Sun newspaper, an editorial perspective of "The Black Dilemma"


The Black Dilemma
“For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?
The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since. Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.
Their new laws intruded into peoples lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities. But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue its a problem of culture, as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege. But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India, people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded.While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country’s violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.
The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an unfixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks. Our rulers don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point."---

"You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Baltimore Sun

Mike,
The “Sanger” quote was a clever video/audio forgery effort by Democratic primary opponents of Hillary to link her with Margaret Sanger. The idea was created when Bill Clinton was overheard to say “Margaret—I’d bang her” and it went from there. This is not the first time something like this has happened in politics. Governor Reagan in his first presidential campaign was quoted as saying that he knew Thomas Jefferson and his opponent was no Thomas Jefferson. What he actually said was that he knew “George Jefferson” and his opponent was no George Jefferson. Carter’s attempted dirty trick backfired on him which was perpetrated in an effort to mislead stupid voters that Reagan couldn’t have known Thomas Jefferson as he (Jefferson) had been dead for 200 years or that Reagan was two centuries old and was a golfing buddy with a known slaveholder. What Carter didn’t count on was that the altered remark appeared to make Reagan personable with a great sense of humor. George and Louise (Weez) Jefferson, both filled to the brim with Sub Saharan African DNA, owned a dry cleaning operation on the Eastside of NYC and Reagan later offered them as examples at his State of the Union speech as folks “moving on up”.
RyanF, stop picking on Jim. He thinks he is the de facto owner of Misfires by adverse possession as evidenced by his never ending spawning of threads. Despite requests to Dave, the name will remain “Misfires” and not Jim’s Campfire or ItalianSS's One Way Street. Be more respectful of him because he is sensitive to criticism and stop peeing on his campfire or going the wrong way in traffic. Gil

Hi Gil:

Before I took up the argument on this thread I Googled the quote. Snopes hadn't and still hasn't called BS on the quote. That I could find, they have not addressed it at all.

This site came up in the Google search:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/hillary-clinton-said-she-admires-margaret-sanger/

I clicked the first video and at about 1:45 into the video Hillary says exactly what Jim's graphic says she said. The first part of the video is of Hillary testifying before congress, and when she is asked about the Planned Parenthood speech she walks back her comments about Sanger by bringing in Thomas Jefferson, describing him as both a great man and flawed man since he was a slave holder. I have not found a complete transcript or video of Ms. Clinton's address to Planned Parenthood after receiving the award from Planned Parenthood. Maybe she had a caveat in her praise of Sanger in that speech outside the video clip I found.

After your post I watched the video again. I don't see any indication of Hillary's lips saying something different than the sound track, ie dubbed in sound over video.

Maybe you have found something I couldn't find.

Perhaps you have something else.

But barring that, the graphic in Jim's original post is accurate. And it is accurate whether Jim is a saint or he suffers from all the faults you attribute to him.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike,

I don’t think anyone here is a retard. Can a conservative praise a dead Nazi? Absoultly.

Carnegie and Rockefeller supported the Nazis: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796 Nobody would get in trouble for praising them.

Henry Ford was a raging anti-Semite who actually helped shape Hitler’s views on Jews. Google: The International Jew. Hitler gave Henry a medal for writing it. Do you think a republican would get his tit in a ringer for praising Henry Ford?

The point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy of Jim and the religious right, they demonize Sanger only because she founded Planned Parenthood. The problem is she never advocated abortion. They cherry pick quotes because this is what fanatics do.

Why don’t they cite this quote? “we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."

If someone finds abortion repugnant then go ahead and try to make it illegal again. I stand up to pee so it makes no difference to me. But, don’t bull shit me with cherry picked facts.

Ryan:

How does the fact that Rockefeller and Ford and Carnegie were racist somehow prove that Sanger wasn't and Planned Parenthood isn't.

Ms. Sanger put much effort into campaigning for a racist model of eugenics. Her primary aim was to reduce the population of Blacks. The same model was embraced by the German eugenicists who later added mass murder of those they deemed genetically undesirable to their eugenicist tool bag.

Sanger's racist model of eugenics was adopted by Planned Parenthood, and just like the German Nazis, Planned Parenthood added mass murder to the tools they use to control the black population. And, like Margaret Sanger, they have been very careful not to show the disparate impact it has had on Black babies. Planned Parenthood kills Black babies at a per capita rate that is 700% of the per capita rate it kills White babies. That is racist. But find that rate I just quoted anywhere. I had to calculate it by taking digging out racial profiles of the legally aborted (about 36% of the aborted are Black) and then applying that to the percentage of Black citizens (13%). Then the same numbers for Whites.

So Sanger's eugenics were racist in theory with a stated intent to reduce the number of US citizens that were Black. Her eugenics program, now enhanced by Planned Parenthood's adoption of abortion, is racist in action as it reduces the percentage of our citizens that are Black. So both the intent and the consequence of Sanger's and Planned Parenthood's eugenics program is racist. Just like Herr Hitler's.

Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger have been embraced by Hillary Clinton.

So, I say again, what would be the reaction today if Jeb Bush said "I admire Fritz Kuhn enormously, his courage, his tenacity, his vision..." while accepting an award from the American Nazi Party.

So Jim and the religious right are hypocrites? So is the rest of humanity, including Ms. Clinton, the late Ms. Sanger, and that portion of the population that points out racism in those it disagrees with but concurrently defends Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and Clinton.

No, absolutely not, can a political or youtube viral conservative praise any nazi or be caught doing so in what they thought was private.

Asked before, and maybe cut through the bs, the point is about the candidate of today not the historical figure. Does it matter, to some yes, to some no. I think it should matter to you, not because anyone is trying to change your mind, but because some will turn a blind eye to the candidate's character, and that should matter for her credibility to do the entire job. She'll enhance all the abortion you want, is that enough for you.

Mike, look up! In the sky. It went over your head. Either that, or you just shot over mine.
As for Planned Parenthood, what's that? I'm the oldest of 10. Gil

It did Gil.

And it still does.

I make so many errors I am used to being humiliated in public. So please explain what I missed.

Thanks,

Mike

To quote the late, great Foghorn Leghorn. "It's a joke, son. It's a joke." Which if one has to explain.... gil

Quote from Ryan:
"The point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy of Jim and the religious right, they demonize Sanger only because she founded Planned Parenthood. The problem is she never advocated abortion. They cherry pick quotes because this is what fanatics do. "

Wrong again and NOT surprising: Many people including Charles Lindberg, The Duke of Edenburg etc. lauded Hitler BEFORE the extent of his insanity and racism became well known. No one with any sense of morals or ethics did so by the time WW II was underway.
Go ahead and "cherry pick" anything "positive" you want about Hitler or the Nazis put it on Facebook or Twitter and see how fast your butt gets nailed.
And again I'm a hypocrite?? Look who's posting on this thread after whining about shutting it down yesterday.
You Libtards are something else. Either your memory spans are extremely short or you can't think logically in a linear fashion!
Jim

Foghorn is one of my favorite cartoon characters.


Haven't seen him in a long time. Wonder if he's been declared "politically incorrect" for some reason? "Ah say theh son, what do yo mean I am racially stereotyping? And what do that mean?"

I looked up and I still don't get it.

Ugh.

Sanger was a racist. This does not mean PP is racists any more than it means Ford Motor Company is racist.

Fritz Kuhn isn’t comparable to Sanger. Different class. Jeb Bush can’t praise and actual Nazi. He can praise a onetime Nazi well-wisher like Henry Ford. Hillary can’t praise and actual Nazi. She can praise a onetime Nazi well-wisher like Margaret Sanger.

Calling it black genocide seems over the top and why is the disparate impact racist? Black women simply want/need more abortions than white women. Why is that PP fault? Should they turn black women away to keep the percentages in line with white women?

Is it racist, if on a percentage basis, PP performs more vasectomies on white men than black men?

Is it racist, if on a percentage basis, more white women than black women use birth control?

More attempted diffusion by a libtard. Convoluted "logic" to say the least.
Planned Parenthood is in business to facilitate the murder of babies pure simple and straight to the point. They derive their income from this practice and it behooves them NOT to turn any "businss" down.
The latest polls I've seen show the voters would turn back Roe vs Wade if it were ever put on the ballot today. The primary reason for this is medical advances now show just how early a baby in the womb has senses and can feel pain.
But that's NOT the issue here : THIS is the issue I originally brought up the racist hypocracy of the Libtards that support Clinton and I'll continue to bring it up until the ones on this forum masquerading as 2nd Amendment supporters either leave or admit it!
Six days and we're all still waiting!
Jim



Cited Quoted from Margaret Sanger:

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
Throughout the 200+ pages of this book Sanger called for the elimination of "human weeds," for the cessation of charity, for the segregation of "morons, misfits, and maladjusted," and for the sterilization of "genetically inferior races." [/b]

Ryan:

Ford Motor Company makes cars. Their is no evidence that those cars kill Jews at a higher per capita rate than it kills gentiles. And there is much evidence that Ford Motor Company goes to some significant effort not to kill anybody.

The German Nazis had much admiration of the eugenics movement in America. As a matter of fact, Adolph Hitler described his planned eugenics program in "Mein Kamp" and then sent a nice thank you note to one of Margaret Sanger's allies. In that note he acknowledged the he had essentially copied that Sanger cohort's eugenics arguments and plan. Adolph Hitler then went on to euthanize millions selected for wholesale slaughter because of their race.

Margaret Sanger set out to institute a plan to prune back the population of Black citizens in America because she believed they were inferior, "weeds in garden" so to speak. She formed the organization that eventually became Planned Parenthood. While she was building her movement she noted the importance of not letting the general Black population know that her purpose was to lower the percentage of Black citizens. And Planned Parenthood has done a pretty good secret of keeping that information from today's Black citizens. After Sanger's death, Planned Parenthood, like Hitler, added abortion to their eugenics tool bag. Planned Parenthood now aborts Black babies at 700% of the per capita rate that it aborts White babies accomplishing the end that Ms. Sanger had in mind when she started this hateful, racist, immoral endeavor.

But Hillary did praise an actual racist, Margaret Sanger. And Hillary was accepting an award from an organization that is Ms. Sanger's brainchild, an organization that carries out Ms. Sanger's vision of keeping Black reproduction rates down. With her statement Ms. Clinton embraced Margaret Sanger's racism and that child of Sanger's racism, Planned Parenthood.

So you didn't like my Jeb Bush / Fritz Kuhn allegory. OK, how about this one:

Eric Rudin was Hitler's eugenic theorist (before the holocaust) and then the director of Nazi Germany's eugenic bureaucracy. Margaret Sanger published Rudin's work on Eugenics in her periodical (before the holocaust). Suppose we find out Jeb Bush had said today "I admire Eric Rudin enormously, his courage, his tenacity, his vision..." while Bush was accepting an award from the American Nazi Party. I had to use the American Nazi Party in my parable because I can't have Jeb Bush accepting the award from the German Nazi Party since they are no longer extant. But Margaret Sanger's ideological child, Planned Parenthood, is still going strong, carrying out her racist plan to reduce the population of Black citizens. And Ms. Clinton publicly embraced both Sanger and Planned Parenthood.

tOrched...the rants of the insane.

Now jOe, I know you can't stand to see your heroine, Hillary Clinton, criticized. But it is part of being in a political discussion. I know you liberals like free speech until you hear some speech you don't like, but you need to just walk through the pain so you can get to the other side.

I don't think guys should be mixed into the deal, it's a 'womans' reproductive issues organization.

There's your PP problem right there. Dems and PP say we 'need', patrons of the clinics say I 'want', the taxpayers say 'how long do I have to bend over'.

If the taxpayer should be funding 'wants', why not all women get NEW best guns. The industry would boom, and I'd bet they'd dump 'em on the used market for pennies on the dollar.

tOrched Mike I wouldn't piss on your girl if she was on fire.

Too late jOe. The cat is out of the bag. You are a card-carrying supporter of abortion rights. So you must be a liberal. So you must be supporting Hillary. Or is it Elizabeth Warren? Is that why you are so testy. Lizzie is your gal!

So your new Prius has an "Elizabeth Warren for President" sticker on it.

Come on, how about a picture of your new Prius. Is it rainbow colored?

yOu idiot

I found a thread for you over on the Prius forum about your gal Hillary:

http://priuschat.com/threads/hillary-the-rights-choice.36139/

What screen name are your posting under over there?

yOu idiot

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "Hillary for President" bumper sticker is on the back?

Nice looking granddaughter Mikael....she has your good looks.

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "Hillary for President" bumper sticker is on the back?

Mikael It's good to see that you finally admitted to your black heritage.

I don't have a Black heritage but I would be happy to have Black grandchild like that little girl in the picture.

Did you go to Rockefeller Island for Hillary's campaign speech? I bet it was thrilling for you, since she is such a strong supporter of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and abortion. I think it is great you are growing your liberal side Joe, just like your heroine Caitlyn showed up.

Get you one bud...

Who's going to be the mom figure you or SKB ?

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "Hillary for President" bumper sticker is on the back?

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "I'm With Hillary!" bumper sticker is on the back?

Was that you in Blazing Saddles ?

Was that you in "Deliverance"?

If so, it is OK. You have seen the error of suppressing your inner self and now you have become a liberated liberal!

I was the guy making you squeal like a pig...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Yea yer saddle was blazing big boy....

must be the in thing for "conservatives" coming out.....

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/252218/a...-my-whole-life/

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Yer girl is here to help you out...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

I give Mike you win....

You're internet fried.

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Weeeee weeeee weeeee weeeee....

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

You win Mike


I'm sorry if I said anything that offended your granddaughter or her new car...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

I said I was sorry Mikael...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Mike when you were squealing like a pig who did you think of ?

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Replies fitting a lame pig...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

Top O the mern'n lame pig...

Nope, I was in Blazing Saddles, remember.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "If you have fantasies about raping men and you are pro-abortion, you must be a liberal."

You're going fast jOe.

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "I'm With Hillary!" bumper sticker is on the back?

Mike is that your grand daughter or are you just pretending to be black ?

jOe I am not of Black descent but I would be happy to have a Black grandchild.

Good news for you and your liberal boyfriends. I was out at the Tyson packing plant on business this morning and saw that y'alls sex toys were shipping. Had your name and address on them in big letters

I bet when you and your boyfriends do your "Deliverance" roll playing sex game you're the one that squeals like a pig. "WEEEEEEEE! WEEEEEEEEE!"

Day 7 of the Double Gun Libtard Hypocrite Outing:
Jim

King Brown must be losing his mind... what's left of it anyway... trying to come up with a clever cover to excuse Hillary's support of a racist. But he also never came up with anything good to cover the extreme racist statements of Lyndon Johnson, Robert Byrd, and many other leading Democrat racists. Neither have any of the other Misfires Libtards. But I'm glad to see you keep asking the question Jim.

Or maybe King dated Margaret Sanger like he dated Jackie Kennedy and Martin Luther King. Gentlemen never talk. That's a good reason to never date girls who work in banks... they're all tellers.

RyanF says Margaret Sanger's views were once commonplace and widely accepted, yet she went to great lengths to conceal those views. Why? He also tells us that her organization which became Planned Parenthood did not perform abortions when she was alive. There is a very good reason for that.

Abortion was illegal and she would have been put in prison for turning the murder of fetuses into a profitable business.

For the life of me I don’t understand what point you are trying to make.

Oh well:
I guess I'll have to spell it out:

Hypocrite Definition: Noun


1.

a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.


2.

a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.


Hypocracy: H Clinton's stated support and admiration for Margaret Sanger a committed racist and proponent of wiping out the Black race.

Not ONE of the Libtard trolls on this forum has condemmed her for doing this.
But then Libtards never let mere facts get in the way of their warped opinions.
Jim
And furthmore this woman epitomizes INEPTNESS and EVIL: Read on.


Mrs. Clinton

Many people who may vote in the democratic primary election, if there is one and the general election in 2016 have
no real knowledge of Mrs. Clinton or her accomplishments. As a public service, I thought I would provide some input
regarding her triumphs for consideration.

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a
health care reform. Even after threats and
intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress.
This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections
were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from
consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.”
Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious
sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make
recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little
probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from
consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose
former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and
William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections
went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts
to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have
them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month
investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that
of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close
Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated
for the improper access of
about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of
drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even
knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the
White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of
service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary
was put in charge of the “bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle
were:
She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms.Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.
After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was
spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica
Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for
lying under oath to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr
investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I
don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture,
china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another
four or eight years of this type low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the
“pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe
will fall next. But to her loyal fans – “what difference does it make?”

Enough is enough! Pass this on and let's STOP THE MADNESS!!

From the Baltimore Sun newspaper "The Black Dilemma"

Thought provoking.

THIS IS A VERY CLEAR EXPLANATION OF AMERICA”S GREAT DILEMMA!!

The Black Dilemma

“For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since. Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedman's Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities. But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it’s a problem of culture, as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege. But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India, people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded.hile the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country’s violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an unfixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks. Our rulers don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point."---

"You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Baltimore Sun

jOe:
Who authored this article for the Baltimore Sun?
Jim

Got it in an email ?

Pretty simple Ryan. Margaret Sanger said in her famous quote that blacks are like weeds that need to be exterminated. Since she couldn't actually do that, she instead concentrated on drastically reducing their birth rates through legal means. You jump up and note that her organization which became Planned Parenthood did not perform abortions when she was at the helm. I pointed out that although she wished to exterminate the black race, she couldn't do that because abortion was illegal at the time.

Jim's point is that the Liberal Left Democrats who frequent this forum cannot bring themselves to criticize Hillary for her support and admiration of Margaret Sanger... yet they will unfairly and inaccurately tar Conservatives as being racist or misogynist for merely making the observation that some blacks or women are in fact criminals. The Liberal Left Democrats here who pretend to be gun guys actually support and defend anti-gun Liberal Left politicians and constantly criticize pro-gun Conservative politicians. But they don't have the stones to admit what is obvious to all. They are dishonest spineless hypocrites. Got it?

Preposterous article. All it took was LBJ and the Great Society, and Democrat/Soviet indoctrination of Black Liberation Theology.

The Baltimore Sun didn't publish the above article.

Keith,

Don’t you remember when Herman Cain got embarrassed over this very same argument? Google it if you care to learn the truth, which is a lot more nuanced. You’re making the same mistakes he did.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want but this line of attack on Planned Parenthood has been debunked over-and-over again. You’re being bamboozled by historical revisionism from the crazy fringe of the pro-life movement. This whole black genocide movement is fabricated bullshit that borders on zealotry. Regardless of what your opinions on abortion, don’t fall for it.

Riddle me this, why would MLK praise Sanger?

“There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts. …Our sure beginning in struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her."

I do not want to join the abortion debate because I don’t much care if it is legal or illegal. Men have zero reproductive rights either way. I will never give the pro-choice side any support because the same people will want to take away my guns. That said, I’m offended when religious zealots lie to us in the name of God. At the very least they are guilty of bearing false witness.

I don’t blame you for being hoodwinked by the propaganda. I used to believe the same things you, Jim, and Mike do.

Ryan:

Margaret Sanger said what she said about keeping blacks from reproducing. The motive behind her program and her fellow eugenicists was to keep the Blacks, who they perceived as inferior, (brutes, weeds) from reproducing. And Sanger wanted to keep it secret from the Blacks that the purpose of her organization was to lower their reproduction as much as they could get it reduced. I gave you references. Please read my first post on this thread. Should be on the first page on your screen.

The eugenics programs were primarily racist, whether it was the German Nazis and the Jews or the American eugenicsts and the Blacks.

Adolph Hitler was a racist and eugenics proponent. He laid out a eugenics program that reflected his racist beliefs. Six million Jews died in production line murder as a result of his racist eugenics beliefs.

Planned Parenthood kills Black babies at 700% of the per capita rate that it kills White babies. That disparate impact is no accident. It is the logical outcome of the beliefs of racist eugenicists that have been put into action.

I think you have been hoodwinked by the propaganda.

Respectfully Mike, you’re right about most things but your wrong about this.

“Colored people are like human weeds and have to be exterminated.”

Find a source for that quote and I’ll eat crow. It may reflect her sentiments but I challenge anyone to source it. It was made up by zealots.

Many, if not all, of the quotes are out of context and do not acknowledge the complexities of the progressive era. If you wanted to get something done back them you embraced eugenics. It was mainstream and it got you the favor or the medical and academic communities. It decoupled morality from birth control.

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population” is also out of context.

This is the full quote: “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

The context is she thought blacks might mistakenly associate her birth control project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow south. Her idea was for Black clergy to spread the word that the birth control had noble intentions.

I’m not saying she was a wonderful women but show me a serious scholar or historian that says she had the goal of black genocide. Note the half-truths never come from mainstream religious leaders. For example, you will never see the Catholic church or Mormons use these quotes because they fact check. The stuff comes from the evangelical fringe. Unfortunately it gets picked up by mainstream people.

The contributed baboons photo and spurious commentary by a couple members is plainly resentment that a person who couldn't have sat at the front of an Alabama bus was chosen by the country to be its president---over the best candidate the whites had on offer. The fringe always looks to others to blame.

I read the full quote way back in the beginning of this thread when Mike posted it. If anyone is taking it out of context, it seems to be you Ryan. Or are you expecting us to ignore the many other things Margaret Sanger said and did and who she was associated with during her work, particularly on the Negro Project. It seems that a lot of Pro-Abortion people have hoodwinked you and a lot of other people into believing that all of her contemporaries were just like her in order to try to rewrite her history. Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Do the math. Why did MLK praise someone who wrote and thought like she did and spoke before several KKK gatherings? You'd have to ask MLK. Or you could ask his naked Greco-Roman wrestling buddy King Brown... one of the masters of taking things out of context and trying to pass them off as truth. How many times has King Brown tried to make Mitt Romney out to be a raging misogynist because of his "women's profiles in binders" statement? How many times has King Brown attempted to justify Liberal Left Infringements upon the 2nd Amendment just because Leftist Democrats have already done so where they are in power? I wonder why you have never once admonished him for that, but come out guns blazing in defense of Sanger? If you seriously want us to believe you are a Conservative, you are going to have to play the part once in a while.

We could also compare those baboons to you King, and note that baboons are not compulsive liars who claim to be good pals with JFK when all they did was report on his campaign as thousands of other reporters did. Baboons do not claim to have taken JFK's wife Jackie on lunch dates either. Baboons also do not crow about their award winning wines when all they are is the smallest, one acre, supplier of grapes to Jost Winery. Baboons are not so stupid as to expect anyone to believe that their fathers converted to Catholicism without belief in the Resurrection. Baboons also do not consistently support and defend anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist politicians, or criticize our NRA, or suggest that we cede ground to the anti-gunners as you do.

Clearly, baboons are more honest and intelligent than you who so admires the incompetent Obama... who, by the way, isn't fit to drive an Alabama bus.

You still have not explained why the "fringe" you so frequently criticize are so happy with black SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas or why we would happily vote for blackDr. Ben Carson over Lily White Hillary. I don't expect you to do so any time soon because you would have to be honest, and we all know that is not in your nature.

I loved how jOe deftly lambasted you in the "WTB-book item" listing in the For Sale section a couple days ago. I urge anyone who hasn't seen that example of King Brown hypocrisy and dishonesty on full display to check it out.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=403802&page=2

Funny shit!

Hmmm, who's the racist now. Aside from shortcomings due to race, apparently white's aren't 'people' either. Just kidding King, you aren't in the fringe, pretty mainstream, eh?

Ryan I didn't use the sentence you quoted, "“Colored people are like human weeds and have to be exterminated.” And I don't see where James used it either.

But I did use "weeds" as a partial quote of Sanger. She used it in an garden analogy, something like "good children in a garden, not weeds on the back of the lot."

This is the Sanger quote from my first post on this thread:
“We do not want word to go out,' she wrote to a colleague, 'that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." I think that is accurate of what Sanger said and reflects her intent.

The American eugenics movement of that era was implicitly racist. Many of the leaders of that movement were explicitly racist. In Ms. Sanger's publication she not included an article by Herr Hitlers Minister of Eugenics, she had many, many articles by leading American racist (racialist) eugenicists.

Her "Negro Projcet" led to the "Tuskegee syphilis experiment". Ms. Sanger did not participate in the project I don't mean that she condoned or the experiment. But her beliefs and her arguments led to that racist experiment on Black men. The liberals have tried to lay that crime on the white Southerners, but that indictment should be hung on the gravestone of Ms. Sanger and her contemporary eugenicists.

Ms. Sanger spoke to at least one KKK meeting. Many of Ms. Sanger's friends were explicit racist eugenicists. Ms. Sanger at best, was an implicit racist, at worst, at explicit racist.

Herr Hilter's racist and eugenicist beliefs led to the Holocaust.

Ms. Sanger's racist and eugenicist beliefs led to Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood led to an extraordinarily disproportionate impact on Black Babies. Those Black babies are killed at seven times the per capita rate of White babies. By any definition that is a disparate impact on Blacks.

Ms. Sanger and her contemporary racist eugenicists sought to drastically lower the Black birth rate of citizens. And did their best to achieve their ends. And they spawned a very racist institution called Planned Parenthood.

Racist is as racist does.

Racist beliefs lead to racist actions and racist programs.

Liberals aren't the fringe, Craig. Half the US is liberal in its voting, and a majority of those are conservative in other aspects, as I am.

The Tiresome Twins claim those who vote liberal for reasons other than gun control are anti-American, treasonous idiots.

Imagine a political party, service club, Legion of "those kind of people," as Archie Bunker would say!

You fly in and vote ?

Jim’s opening post used a phony quote. Do fake quotes make you suspicious? If someone can source it, I go shoot myself a crow and eat it.

What if the claim most PP clinics are located in black neighborhoods is false? Fewer than 10% of clinics are in black neighborhoods. If someone can back up the 78% claim, I go shoot myself a crow and eat it.

While the abortion rate among black women is higher than average, so is the birth rate, so is the syphilis rate, so is the HIV/AIDS rate. This proves nothing other than Blacks are no good a safe sex. Oops, Margaret Sanger said that so it is RACIST!

If you want to believe this black holocaust nonsense, that’s your white privilege. Heck, I’ll pile on too.

Nazi!


Klan!



I like my bullshit with cheese on top


Good dog!

Which quote are you referring to. Was it the, 'I admire [her] enormously' quote.

Maybe this one will make you feel better, right out of wiki. Australian Aborigines were 'just a step higher than the chimpanzee'. I don't know or care if my quote stands up to snopes. I've been wonder more about the direction of today's America.

Hey Ryan: You don't like that quote? Well these two are well documented and so similiar in concept to the one pictured with Sanger that they are essentially the same.

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

You Libtards will literally grasp at straws in order to avoid the truth when it's "uncomfortable" for you. We understand you are a hypocrite.
Margaret Sanger was a Racist pure and simple and so is H. Clinton in showing her admiration for that woman.

Grasping at straws? You're literally making shit up.

It’s not that I don’t like the quote. It’s not a quote at all. It may or may not reflect her general sentiments but it’s made up.

I already corrected the extermination of blacks partial quote. You get mad when NBC news selectively edits. Why are you okay with this selective edit?

I’m not arguing Sanger’s views on race. I am debunking the internet conspiracy theory that Planned Parenthood has a policy of black genocide. Why are only some pro-life activists picking up on this genocide? Why isn’t the Catholic Church piling on?

Because this shit has been debunked. I know nothing will convince you but the Washington Times is hardly left wing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014...s-stu/?page=all

I’m hungry for a big juicy city crow. Somebody show me a source for the claim that 78% of their offices are in predominately black neighborhoods. It must be true, I found it on the internet.



PS. I have nothing against honest pro-life people. Its not my thing but if this is where you want to plant your flag, so be it. But, every movement attracts some crazy people and every movement needs to police its crazies.

You might check back at what you 'corrected'. Your 'in context' version never once clears mz sanger.

Read it. All you helped us out with was that she was using black minsters to advance her agenda. I believe you were the one that took offense to religious zealots peddling their agenda, or hers?

And Ryan you are a true Libtard idiot making excuses up. Go ahead and refute the documented posts I just made above - but of course you can't. This racist bimbo Sanger meant what she said and said and what she meant. Go crawl back into your Libtard fantasy world with the rest of the Libtard idiots who post here as I expect you're uncomfortable anywhere else.
A true hypocrite exposed and outed for all on this forum to see and deride.
Jim

The only thing you are conservative about is telling the truth King. We have a large percentage of the population voting Liberal Left because they want taxpayer funded freebies. A goodly number of them couldn't pick Joe Biden out of a line-up, but they have become dependent upon government (taxpayer) funded hand-outs, and we are over $17 trillion in debt.

Then we have people like you who claim to be gun guys, but you support, defend, and vote for anti-gunners. You falsely claim that Liberal Supreme Court Justices who have attempted to gut the 2nd Amendment are Conservatives when they clearly are not. You criticize our NRA and think we should give up portions of our rights. What's become tiresome is your incessant lies and bullshit. How come you didn't reply to jOe in the "WTB-Book Item" thread in the for sale section you phony?

Ryan, why are you going on and on about the selective edit when the full quote has been shown here several times by Mike and yourself? You choose to interpret it your way, but Margaret Sanger's writings, speeches, and her associates seem to show something else entirely.

Here's a comment from the Radiance Foundation on Guttmacher's claim in your Washing ton Post article:

"Not reported--Guttmacher is funded by Planned Parenthood and regularly spews false statistics. (Case in point, their former CEO Sharon Camp claimed that Guttmacher was "completely unaffiliated with Planned Parenthood" while being given millions by the abortion chain). Notice that the link to this recent Guttmacher report includes NO actual geographic data. None is presented. Guttmacher merely SAYS these abortion clinics are in mostly white neighborhoods at the same time they lament that there are "no [abortion] clinics in 89% of counties" in each state. Typical of this pro-abortion think tank, they contradict themselves. In their 2008 "Abortion Incidence and Access to Services" Report, they clearly state: "Abortion services are concentrated in cities." So, which is it? Unlike Guttmacher, Life Dynamics and Life Issues Institute (Arnold Culbreath's parent organization) actually present clinic location by address/zip code. All of the raw data is there to review. One would think a news organization would take the time to review Guttmacher's actual "evidence". Oh, but there is none."

Here's some links to the 78% (or more claim), but I don't expect you'll be cooking any crow because you are entrenched in your beliefs.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/16/79-of...acks-hispanics/

http://www.stopthecrime.net/videos/0021.html

Here's the link to the Life Dynamics study that analyzed zip codes and census data to refute the Guttmacher report.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/29/report-proves-planned-parenthood-targets-blacks-hispanics/

I'm still waiting for you to admit you were 100% wrong about your claim that Michigan is the birthplace of Eugenics, so you can stop telling us about your willingness to eat a crow if you are wrong. And you can lay off of Jim about presenting phony facts when it is you that is dispensing B.S.

I see you apparently have no problem when frauds like King Brown take Mitt Romney's words out of context. Interesting and revealing.

RyanF to all of us: "I don't care either way about Planned Parenthood or abortion because I stand up to piss... so pay no attention to me going ape-shit because people are criticizing Planned Parenthood and their founder, and because someone may have misattributed one quote to Margaret Sanger. Pay no attention to the false information I post here"

Did you know that Vince Lombardi didn't say
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing,"

King Brown should be along soon to tell us that he actually said those words when he engaged in naked wrestling with Vince Lombardi.

It doesn't really matter Keith:
You can provide the most compelling factual evidence that a Margaret Sanger was an avowed racist and Libtards like Ryan will deny it.
I used to think they were just misinformed but now I've come to the conclusion that they in fact are truly retarded.
In fact they are probably fortunate that eugenics no longer targets the retarded in this Country as the likes of them would be prime candidates.
Jim

BTW I've lost track of the days since I first posted this but I will point out that not ONE of the resident Libtards on this forum has had the nerve to come on here and admit these two woman are in fact both evil.

Everybody reading knows Jim is the biggest hypocrite on the board who makes racist posts and then tries to paint others as racist. Look at his post and decide for yourself who the real racist is.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=403227&page=1

It probably should say 'she' above there Steve. My apologies to to all the kind hearted primates, but some idiot found a quote by hill's hero on the previous page, Australian Aborigines were 'just a step higher than the chimpanzee'. I'd decide who's running for pres, then decide for yourself who the real racist is.

Hey, on a brighter note, there's a new trend. A bunch of folks are VOTING lib, but have a few conservative inclinations. Read that sentence again and decide, what that means, for yourself.

Assumptions again Craig? You seem to have some special insight into how people vote. Any chance you could share the source of that information? Cute response though......

"she"? is Hill now a board member or is Jim coming out like Rainbow J0e?

Special? Hey, you mak'in fun of me?

Naw, I'm going to assume that you knew I'm the guy that brought up hill. By she, I'd hope you could read hill's hero, remember the heroine that I assume you swooped in to defend for Ryan. Good assumption though, I did grant honorary membership to sanger.

Hang on, no it didn't really look like you were defending Ryan. It seemed more like you were diverting attention from the wanna be next pres. Hey, did I mention, hill's hero compared an entire group of people to chimpanzees. Can I assume if I repeat it enough, it'll sink in sooner or later? Ah, probably not.

Hardly defending Ryan, he is doing fine by himself. Just making sure the light stays shined Jim and he is seen for what he really is, a racist. I have been keeping Jim's post tied to this thread since the very first page. The more Jim posts his picture, the more I link to his racist post. Pretty straight forward really and been going on for 25 pages now. I thought you were quicker than that. Another false assumption on your part Craig.....

25 pages and Jimbo is still posting a fake quote and spreading an internet rumor.

Keith apparently reasons that linking to the dishonest organizations who spread the half-truths is will substantiate the half-truths. Go to the fraudsters for verification of their propaganda. Real smart keith. You are not definitely not a libtard.

Again, show me a genuine news source that supports your claim of black genocide. Show me to a credentialed Christian scholar that supports your claim. Show me a Cardinal who supports your claim. Why can’t I find this in Christianity Today? How come this theory of yours only shows up on a few extreme pro-life blogs and WND type crazy sites?

Because none of this crap can make it past and editor or fact checker.

When the facts change I change my opinion. I guess that makes me a retard.

Why do I care? Because the pro-life liars are doing great damage to conservatism and American Christianity. The intellectual tradition are both are being shit on by a small fringe of straight up lunatics. These nuts are the best get out the vote operation Hillary could hope for.

Like I said, if you want to plant your flag with them, go ahead.

Caitlyn SKB keeps attempting to portray Jim as a racist by repeatedly providing a link to the post showing a bunch of black rioting, vandalizing, and looting criminals.

It is unfair to show innocent baboons engaging in similar behavior... but the baboons are simply curious and hungry. In the debate over evolution, it is obvious which group photo is depicting more the advanced and civilized species.

Of course Caitlyn SKB would think that Ryan is doing fine by himself. Ryan keeps returning to repeat lies like Eugenics was mainstream and Eugenics was founded in Michigan. He then posts links to Washington Post articles which are written by someone paid millions by Planned Parenthood and expects us to just swallow it all. But as craigd notes... it's the ol' "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" strategy of the Liberal Left. What's next Ryan, links to articles showing us that 90% of gun owners want new gun laws? What is your idea of a genuine news source Ryan... Is it Mike Wallace, Bryan Williams, or King Brown... Liberal Left Liar A, B, or C? The Catholic Church was at odds with Margaret Sanger for almost four decades, until she died. A direct link from the Vatican wouldn't be good enough for you. We all know why you care Ryan, and it isn't because you are a staunch Conservative. We all see who you nail to the cross, and who you defend, even repeating lies to do so. Actions speak louder than words ace.

Nice try again Caitlyn SKB, you scum sucking Obama kiss-ass weasel. We see you still have no comment on Hillary's admiration for the racist Margaret Sanger.

I guess it depends. This could be one of those internet 'truths'. Where's the 'documentation'.

I think you went to wiki, maybe, maybe not, but your 'proof' about sanger comes from just one ny college professor who wrote three papers on her. Apparently, that's enough to call the entire pro-life group, liars, and associate the 'liars' with all conservatives and all American Christians.

Did I point out that sanger compared a group of people to chimapzees. It's pretty interesting, and there's an ambitious politician who honors sanger, but we can't mention her because she's probably anti life, anti Christian and anti conservative.

Craig: The documentation is the last two elections and the Pope himself trying to call off his wildest attack dogs.

I didn’t call the entire pro-life movement liars. The Catholic’s run a responsible and coherent pro-life campaign. A small group of fanatical nuts made up this Margaret Sanger Black genocide bullshit. It has been thoroughly debunked and anyone who believes simply wants to be fooled.

But I concede to my intellectual betters.

Keith is right about eugenics. No Michigan heritage. Michigan was not the first state to propose eugenics legislation. The Race Betterment Foundation was not founded in Michigan. Victor Vaughan was not the dean of University of Michigan medical school. Clarence Little was never the president of UM. John Kellogg has no connection to MSU. UM and MSU never taught eugenics, and they don’t fall over apologizing for it to this very day. I never set foot on either campus (too dumb). Henry Ford had no Michigan connection. The Nazis never gave Henry Ford an iron cross.

Eugenics has no connection to Michigan. Neither do corn flakes, wolverines, Spartans or model T’s. Keith knows damn near everything there is to be known about eugenics.

It started in Germany and never enjoyed widespread acceptance in the USA. 32 states did not have eugenics programs. The Supreme Court did not uphold eugenics laws. Oliver Wendell Homes never wrote “3 generations of imbeciles is enough.” It was Hitler, not Rockefeller who introduce Margaret Sanger to eugenics.

Margaret Sanger hated Blacks so much she opened clinics to give them access to birth control. That sneaky shrill played the long game, knowing it all would lead to black genocide by 2015. She’s just like Hitler but worse.

Do I have it right?

Before this thread I'd never heard of Margaret Sanger.

Why does it have to be "hated"....she was on to one thing.

Their population and alot of them are out of control just watch the news.

I hear you Ryan, and I appreciate that you take the time to respond. Aside from the odds and ends that I mentioned earlier, I would also note that no amount of reason and logic would tip the scale against hill's agenda. I feel like she runs on feelings, and that's what needs to be changed, because I don't feel that facts make any impression at all.

Really??? Quote from our resident Know-it-all.
"I didn’t call the entire pro-life movement liars. The Catholic’s run a responsible and coherent pro-life campaign. A small group of fanatical nuts made up this Margaret Sanger Black genocide bullshit. It has been thoroughly debunked and anyone who believes simply wants to be fooled."

Making rash statement without one shred of reliable evidence to back them up. He's taking a page right out of Brown's B.S book. Post some proof that Margaret Sanger was NOT a racist because there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.

A typical Libtard long on opinion which he stated above but very short on facts.

Page 25 and you still haven’t sourced you misquote or shown me a mainstream publication that backs up your claim of black genocide.

The balls in your court jerk. You're the one in denial mode but haven't posted One credible source that show's she was NOT a racist.
Of course were used to weasels' of your ilk having had to put up with the arcane B.S. from the likes of King Brown.
I'll paraphrase Adlai Stevenson here at the UN: "I am prepared to sit here till hell freezes over waiting for your answer".
However I'm not Adlai so I'll give you one more chance to back up your idiotic claims then you go where I should have put you earlier which is on my ignore list. No one goes on that list because they disagree with me. The get on there by posting the evasive Libtard B.S you're are trying right post now.
And one further point: There are NO documented instances of Adolf Hitler advocating the annihilation of the Jews, Gypsies, mentally unfit or homosexuals. It's very clear from his writings and speeches that he detested these groups but he never called for killing them. So by your definition he wasn't a racist either.

Ryan, you only see what you want to see. I never said that there were no practitioners or promoters of Eugenics in Michigan, or in other states for that matter. But I did provide evidence that Eugenics was practiced in ancient Greece and elsewhere long before the United States was ever founded. I told you that defense lawyers for Nazis in the Nuremburg War Crimes trials attempted to use U.S. Eugenics to exonerate and excuse the actions of the Nazi defendants, but it didn't work for them. Sorry ace, but it isn't working for you either.

Now in true Libtard fashion, you think you can make your false information go away by sticking to your guns and ridiculing me instead of manning up and admitting your errors. And you also do the "Dance of the Gnomoron" and simply waltz away from your precious Washington Post article that was full of made-up statistics and written by someone who was paid millions of dollars by Planned Parenthood. Then you go on to ridicule alternate studies of the locations of Planned Parenthood facilities that relied on actual census data to show their close proximity to minority populations centers. I knew you wouldn't eat crow or admit you were wrong. You'd have to have some spine to do that. Jim is quite correct to note the similarities to you and the dishonest King Brown. He must be smiling to know that after he is gone, his hypocritical and dishonest Liberal Left agenda will be carried on.

All you have to cling to is one quote that has been popularly misattributed to Margaret Sanger. I have noted that she didn't say those words, at least in print, but she certainly associated with the man who actually said them, and voiced the same sentiments herself. By the way, there is a difference between the words "AN" and "AND". At first I thought it was just a typo, but after 25 pages, it becomes obvious that you don't know.

Thanks for wiping away any doubt that you are a racist Jim. Now you are on to denying Hitler's role in the holocaust. You are a real piece of work. Ever hear of the final solution? Just go ahead and keep making up facts. It is what you do best.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/hitler-final-solution/?sess=cf2631dac4ed4b3737c757be9de8ba87

Better to be a piece of work than a brainwashed liberal, confessed turd polisher that calls herself a gunsmith.

Jim didn't deny the Holocaust Caitlyn SKB. He has written about it numerous times and lambasted George Soros for collaborating with the Nazi's to turn in Jews to be sent to the death camps.

This led Jim to give his opinion that Soros deserved to be shot. For the treasonist act he committed against his own people, that is probably too good for him. Of course, King Brown jumped up and down like a little Jumping Jack to repeatedly defend the anti-gunner Soros, and accuse Jim of calling for the murder of Soros... all for giving his opinion. Of course, King Brown is an even bigger Liberal Left liar than you Caitlyn SKB.

Jim's note to Ryan was to say that Hitler never publicly called for the "Final Solution" murder of 6 million Jews. He ordered it it privately. We all know that, and except for you, had the brains to understand that. But you feel you need to keep up your dishonest tarring of Jim because he sees you for what you really are... a spineless dishonest Liberal Obama suck-ass!

26 pages and Jimmy cannot concede he was duped into posting a fake quote.

Jimmy, that burning and itching sensation is butthurt. It’s usually clears right up after you admit you were wrong. The strong negative emotions you are experiencing are shame. Admit you got duped and it will clear up.

I warned you early. You aren’t going to bullshit your way out of this. Herman Cain made the very same blunder you did. This has already been debunked. All his handlers and advisors couldn’t find a way to spin his tale into anything approaching reality. Neither will you. Screeching “libtard” will not change the facts.

You’ve been given enough rope. Time to nuke your from orbit.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/11/cains-false-attack-on-planned-parenthood/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...53uaM_blog.html

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statem...ed-planned-gen/

What have you got to say?

Libtard! Libtard! Libtard!..........ArrgggHHH LIBTARD!.......COMMIE Colorado pot head stoner socialist lying wanker. Libtard! Libtard! Libtard! ARF. Woof woof ruff arf. IGNORE LIST!

Go back to pondering the differences between Negros and monkeys and your other second amendment advocacy strategies.

As I said [censored] one more outlandish outburst from you and you join the rest of the Socialist Libtards here on my ignore list.
This forum would be a much better place if Dave would remove total jerks like you SKB the apparent pretender gunsmith and the rest of your ilk. You contribute virtually nothing of any real value here and apparently your primary role is to advance a socialist agenda.
As another thought it is curious, at least to me, that the Israeli's have never tried to kidnap Soros like they did Adolf Eichmann and put him on trial. Perhaps with his immense wealth he's managed to buy off enough people to prevent this.
Thanks Keith for coming to my defense although I expect the multitude of members reading this but not wanting to get involved know just where these jerks are coming from.

Way to go Ryan, run from your bullshit like a coward! Hang on to one misattributed quote because it's the only thing you've got.

But at least you finally showed us that you are nothing but a dishonest Liberal liar who is too ashamed to be what you really are, and feel you have to pretend to be a Conservative. You're in good company with Caitlyn SKB, who also thought he had us fooled.

Soros: the man who I believe you said should be shot on sight, Jim?

Lol...

Jim posted bogus propaganda and cannot own up to it. He is completely cornered and discredited. He is wrong but cannot giving in because he is weak. The silly ignore list is a defense mechanism. I’m really curious how mean and nasty Jim and Keith will get before they yield.

I can take it. They can’t. I've seen NCA and King Brown reduce keith to seething pile of hate. Can I get that treatment too, sweetheart?

Jim and Keith cannot argue. They are always right. Whatever one says, whatever one proves, they never give in. They get aggressive, argumentative, and try to change the topic. They demand dissenters be banned from the forum. Their butthurt runs wide and deep. Probably bullied or neglect in early childhood. The handicap has probably held them back all their lives. Sad.

Apologies for challenging unbalanced minds. I didn’t realize these two suffered from the psychological handicap of a fragile egos. A fragile ego does not believe in himself, but in a created self-belief. He does not believe in the truth, but in what he is thinking. Jim and keith to the letter. Correcting these two is downright cruel. Best to let them believe their bullshit. They are the wisest two on the forum.

Where did I change the subject or try to run away from lies I posted as you did Ryan? I will never put you on Ignore because it is my personal belief that only allows closet Liberals like you to thrive and continue to spew bullshit without being challenged.

Would you care to revisit your bogus claim that the Eugenics movement was founded in Michigan? Would you like to address that Washington Post story you linked to that was written by someone who received millions of dollars from Planned Parenthood? I have been wrong and justifiably corrected several times on this forum. Every time, I was man enough to publicly acknowledge my mistake and correct it. No one will ever accuse you of being a man Ryan. You are a coward who felt it was necessary to conceal who and what you were for a long time... even after it was abundantly clear that you were just another in a long line of Libtard liars.

So you place yourself in the company of King Brown and nca225? You really chose some class acts to follow ace.

Soros, the anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist who King Brown can always reliably be counted upon to defend and support. Soros, the Jew who turned his own fellow Jews into the Nazi's to be sent to death camps during WWII.

And King Brown questions Jim's right to have a negative opinion of the snake? It shows you just how slimy King Brown really is.

But then, King Brown once falsely accused me of making death threats to a member here for several days. Of course we all know that if something like that was true, I'd be permanently banished. That didn't happen because King Brown is a filthy liar, and nothing more. You thought I'd forgotten that little faux pas, eh King? I don't forget.

Once again the Libtard idiots have reliably shown they have no facts to back up their bizarre opinions. I have never shut down a dialogue with anyone that can back their opinions with facts even if I strongly disagree with them. I expect these socialist jewels are now reduced to trashing me as that's the last "defense" they have in their amateur playbook.
Truly a reprehensible group of individuals who only are fooling themselves. Apparently everyone else on here is on to them from what I hear privately from those that don't want to get involved with these jerks.
Jim

Bla, Bla, bla, blab la blah blah bloobily blah blab la…Sorors Soros
anit-gun troll King Brown. BAD BAD Burger King told a Whopper.
Bla, Bla, bla, blab la blah but…but but…bla bla
Caitlyn SKB libtard gunsmith bong toke.
blagh bloobily blah, blab la…lo lo lo la bla bla Uck! PROVE IT!!
Ed Jager Goodmeister PETA BREAD...bla bla lie
bla bla bla bla bla aballala
NCA coward SOB DIE DIE DIE!
LIBTARD LIBTARD LIBTARED coward liar
Ryan closet liberal liar LIAR PAINTS ON FIRE!

keith is brilliant and marvelous. Drink from his fountain of knowledge.

Jimmy posted made up bullshit and he won't own it.

When you put it that way, I guess you 'win'.

Yep I concede:
I can argue with that idiotic Libtard's logic!
Jim

When you've got nothing, and you are a ball-less closet Libtard... you give a response like RyanF gave. You run from simple questions and act like a little whiny b*tch .

I have to admit that Ryan had me fooled for a little while. But like most Libtards who lack the courage to admit who and what they really stand for, he slipped up and came out of his closet. Makes you wonder what else the little queen is hiding?

You still expect us to believe you stand up to pee Ryan? I'm m not buying that one either.

Reminds me of Armadillo Mike.

jOe you wouldn't fit very well in Texas. It is a very conservative state and a liberal like you would be a fish out of water. So, the answer to your question is "no", pot is not legal in Texas and you don't want to move here.

But if you move to Boulder, Colorado you will be in the middle of an enclave of liberals and pot is legal there. Boulder is liberal nirvana and you will fit right in. You will have lots of new, happy, liberal friends smoking dope and dissing Republicans. Boulder is just made for you jOe.

As a bonus for you, Colorado has fewer laws restricting abortion than Texas. I know that means a lot to you. And more laws restricting firearms than Texas does. So you can feel nice and safe while you're driving your rainbow colored Prius to the pot store.

_______________JOE'S NEW RIDE!


I guess the "I'm With Hillary!" bumper sticker is on the back?

Hey bud I just took a dump something didn't smell just right so I looked in the toilet and low and be hold it looked just like a little Armadiller Mike....



Don't fret none I practice planned parent hood....I pinched it's head off before I flushed.

Obviously, jOe is pleased with his new strategy.




But, just when I think I am done with him, that I've reached the apex in making fun of him, that I can't top our exchange after the last stupid thing he said, jOe says something even stupider.

I think I've died and gone to heaven.

So, I guess a feller can only take so much stupid, but there is no limit to how stupid this jOe feller can be.

King, I know you have been beating this one for a while but I have to say, I agree with Jim on this one. Technically he deserves it for his actions regarding the Nazis and Jews and his subsequent behavior as a philanthropist is one that is diametrically opposed to freedom and democracy. In fact his actions confirm the value of worrying about a conspiracy of elites, angling to run the world by fiat.

And I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. Normally I think conspiracies are too complex and people too error prone to pull them off.

Thanks James:
I will amend my statement because I don't believe in taking the law into one's own hands. Soros should be tried first then if convicted executed for war crimes just like any other Nazi criminal. His billions should be distributed to any remaining holocaust victims.
Jim

George Soros is a gun grabber. He is a radical lefty.

But he was nine when WWII started and fourteen when Germany surrendered. I don't think we can lump him in with Hitler, Goerring, Himmler, and Goebels.

The story of Herman's brother Albert is a fascinating one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_G%C3%B6ring

not sure sure why the link is not working.....anyway, he worked to save Jews and dissidents persecuted under the Nazis.

If Soros was capable of rooting out Jews to be turned over to the Nazis I believe he was also capable of understanding the consequences of his actions.
I have seen South Side of Chicago gangbangers of this age who were fully capable of committing any crime imaginable.
Jim

Agreed Mike, he's not in the same category.

But, if we consider the more recent case of Omar Khadr, a child terrorist brainwashed by and following orders from his own father, who was held in Guantanamo for killing American soldiers, tried and convicted by the American government for his actions when he was age 15, if it's good for the goose, its good for the gander.

Nobody really tried to equate George Soros with Hitler & Company. Soros was a selfish little rat bastard Nazi collaborator who ratted out his own people. As a result of his actions, innocent people were sent to Death Camps where they were starved, brutalized, subjected to torture and human experimentation before being murdered.

Now Soros is a multi-billionaire who King Brown greatly admires because he is an extreme Left-Wing Liberal anti-gunner who uses a portion of his money to advance Liberal Left causes including Gun Control. Most other billionaires would be castigated by King for being greedy, selfish, and amassing that great wealth by screwing the poor minorities.

Jim had the OPINION that Soros deserved to be shot on sight. Jim is entitled to his OPINION... we still do have a right to free speech here. King Brown wrongly twisted Jim's words to say that Jim advocates murder. But Jim is a Conservative, so in King's mind, it is OK to twist Jim's words to discredit him. Thousands of Blacks and Black Leaders were recently seen on TV calling for the killing of white cops. None of them was charged with murder or attempted murder, or even being an accessory to murder after a black guy heeded their message and killed two NYC cops.

King Brown didn't have a word to say about any of that. King Brown is a low-life hypocritical fraud. You can tell a lot about a person by who they support, defend, admire, or vote for. Guys like King Brown, Ed Good, Jagermeister, etc, all defend and admire extreme Left Wing Anti-Gun Socialists like Soros, Obama, Bloomberg, Cuomo etc. They are all anti-gun trolls who do us harm and stab us in the back.

King, Ed and Jagermeister at least are fairly open about admitting they support anti-gun Liberals. Then you have guys like Ryan or Caitlyn SKB who do all they can to conceal their true affinities and affiliations... but none are smart enough to pull it off for very long. All of them despise me for frequently pointing this out, and I couldn't be happier to know that I piss them off. I would probably lose all interest in Misfires if I wasn't pissing off Libtards.

Keith is correct in that I never tried to equate Soros to either a Himmler or a Hitler. I put him into a special category of a Jew who located fellow Jews for the Nazi's thereby condemning then to horrid suffering and probable death in one of the camps.
This is as despicable an act as I can imagine a human being doing to members of his fellow race.
I am well aware of Brown's incessant attempts to twist my words as well as others and that's one of the reasons he's on my ignore list.
It a shame to me that Dave still hasn't seen fit to initiate a ban list.

You've admitted to saying Soros, an American citizen, should be shot on sight, Jim. There's no twisting to it. It's an Arizona ayatollah's fatwa, hate talk that would get you a visit from the RCMP in Canada.

Canada is a country and culture of understanding and diversity. She's adept at playing and excusing the punks game. What went wrong here, how'd the concept get switched off.

The US is dragging Canada, slowly but surely, back into middle eastern quagmire of war, pain, death and expense. Wouldn't you be better off if your mounties visited dc?

Liked your post. We'll find out how good Canadians are at playing the punk's game at this fall's federal election.

As for the multiculturalism issue, the world is watching closely our experiment in accommodation and tolerance.

The US isn't dragging us anywhere. We get stuck from time to time in international obligations but try to keep out of others' wars.

Ironic that war has been a stepping stone to our nationhood. The great British historian Sir Basil Liddell Hart described our impact on the First World War:

"It is a simple statement of fact that the Canadian Corps was the outstanding formation on the Western front on either side; no nation could match it."

Our sparsely populated country finished the Second World War with the fourth-largest air force and third-largest naval surface fleet in the world.

The US military always welcome Canadians in their company, as we do of the military of our closest friend, neighbour and protector.

Speaking of racism, we're finally making strides. The prez has signaled it's okay to use the n-word again, or is it the rap culture that's doing a little bottom up influence on the previously highest office. In any event, it's a nice tie in with the top down half of the formula.

History I suspect will not help distract from the current distaste for war. It's a good policy to keep your noses out of other affairs. The waste of money, debatable, the sacrifice of lives, potentially....ah, we'll see how the punks game plays out later on down the road.

Good news, your closest friends, ya I know you're stuck with that border thing, are now 'fully prepared' to defend europe against russian aggression, yikes. No worries, it probably means we're shoulder to shoulder in full retreat with france.

Do you think these 'issues' help knock domestic headaches off the front page. Hmm, maybe we're not as healthy, productive and happy as vee ver told.

Canada is in no shape to stop Putin in Europe. What you see is posturing for the October federal election: a half-dozen jets in Poland, less than 100 soldiers, and our PM last week took a destroyer out of NATO exercise for photo op. The military should not suffer this abuse while denied materiel support in peacetime.

Haven't read of the president using the n-word. That would bother me, whoever said it. Blacks use the word among themselves but to hear it from high places is no help to anyone. The word has always been forbidden in our family. I also believe there's a positive trend against racism.

Electing a black president may have moved glacially toward a post-racial society. Identity itself is illuminated by Rachel Dolzeil---apparently born "white" and self-identified deceptively as a black in a country of "one drop" rule where millions are passing. Makes me wonder if "black" means anything.

With Chinese backing in the far East Putin can focus his attention on Eastern Europe. Do not worry no one there expects Canada or the United States for that matter to stand up to Putin. History has taught Eastern Europeans that when it comes to dealing with Russians Americans can not be counted on. History clearly bears this out.

Yeah King, we're certainly moving toward a post-racial society when frauds like yourself accuse Jim of calling for a fatwa on a Nazi collaborator like the anti-gun Liberal leftist George Soros, yet you refuse to say a word about black people and black leaders publicly calling for the deaths of police officers. It is filthy lying hypocrites like you that is widening the chasm. You think we can't see the game you're playing?

Sorry to hear that the RCMP has become the "Thought Police" in Canada. I guess that's what Liberalism and Progressive Ideology gets you. Fortunately for Jim and the rest of us, we still have a Constitution with a First Amendment. Of course, it would be good to hear from someone else in Canada that a person is no longer entitled to an opinion about a Nazi Collaborator since you have a big problem telling the truth King.

Well folks, now King Brown is once again attempting to veer the subject away from the original topic because it's getting too hot for him, and he is too dishonest to acknowledge the racism of Margaret Sanger and Hillary Clinton.

I would not be surprised if Nazi collaboration by George Soros is figment of conservative imagination. I would need irrefutable proof to believe this BS. Anyhow different times different customs and those were awfully horrendous times.

Jag, I was under the impression that Soros had admitted the Nazi collaboration in an interview and boasted that those were the best years of his life. Usually an admission against interest is pretty good proof...Geo

Based on what my grandparents told me those were pretty awful times. "...those were the best years of his life." sounds like someone was doing talking for him. One must remember conservatives and liberals are equally skillful liars.

You sound just like King Brown when you defend Soros and make excuses for him. Different times-different customs means nothing here. A rat has always been a rat... and you are jumping in to defend a rat who turned his own people in to the Nazi's.

Geo Newbern wasn't producing a direct quote when he wrote that Soros said those were the best years of his life. Why are you trying to put words in his mouth idiot? You, King Brown, and Ed will go to any length to defend anti-gun Liberals.

You anti-gun trolls really like to make asses of yourselves, don't you?

60 Minutes Interview of Soros in 1998:

KROFT: (Voiceover) To understand the complexities and contradictions in his personality, you have to go back to the very beginning: to Budapest, where George Soros was born 68 years ago to parents who were wealthy, well-educated and Jewish.

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew...

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...who escaped the Holocaust...

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) ... by -- by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

I have no idea whether the transcript Jim posted above is authentic or not. It is what I remember having seen before and from what Soros reportedly said, I'll stick with my opinion of his published confession. Jag, if you require more proof, I don't have it..Geo

I read transcript JamesM provided. There is no "smoking gun" there. I guess Jimbo expected 14 year old Soros to admit his ethnicity and take his chances at Auchwitz selection ramp, pathetic.

If I ever get in trouble, I want Jag on my jury!...Geo

This is not for Jagermeister. This is for people who have a brain and are not anti-gun trolls and Obama apologists and supporters:

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/f...morse-or-guilt/

Geo, if you got in trouble and you were a conservative and Jag was on the jury, you would be sentenced to hang for petty larceny. If you were an anti-gun Liberal Leftist, you could be caught killing someone with the weapon in hand, and witnessed by a busload of nuns and captured on videotape, and Jagermeister would insist you were innocent and should be paid damages for false arrest.

So tell us again Jagermeister... why does an Obama supporter who does not own even one double shotgun post on a Double Gun website?

So tell us again Keith....why does former Bush supporter who does not own even one firearm post on a Double Gun website?

Who would that be Jagermeister? You put up photographs of guns, but considering the extreme anti-gunner who you proudly say you voted for, I do not believe for a minute that they belong to you. Same for the pictures of the NRA books and DVD's.

Of course we also remember you posting a link to a picture of a man and telling us how much you liked his chest. I guess that one was just a little slip. Maybe you forgot you were trolling here and thought you were on some Queer website.

Even if the guns you posted pictures of here did belong to you, I own more of just Lefever doubles than that. But I have nothing to prove to you. It is you who feels the need to prove you are really a gun guy, but real gun guys don't vote for politicians who would take away their guns. You admit that you don't even own a double and only have one pump shotgun. Of course, we all saw the famous picture of your hero Obama supposedly shooting a shotgun. You anti-gun Libtards will say and do anything. We have learned to believe none of it.

Ok, that ball and socket double is interesting. What was is that our vice president said? Couple shots in the air should take care of any problems. I suspect Obama and shotgun was analogous to Bush with 0/U shotgun in spotless attire.... a BS photo op.

Lots of people shoot guns in spotless attire. But they don't actively and repeatedly attempt to take away our gun rights like your hero Obama. Bush sure didn't. The photo of John Kerry in camo clothing carrying a couple dead geese was another Democrat I.Q. Test. I'll bet you believed his story about "deer hunting with his trusty 12 ga. double barrel, crawling around the brush on his stomach trying to sneak up on a deer." What a retarded idiot you are!

You can stop making excuses for anti-gunners Jagermeister. We all know that you are nothing but an anti-gun troll who also gets off on pictures of men's chests.

Europeans on driven game hunts have spotless attire. Americans go deep into the bush shoot twice and always eat what they shoot. This type of activity is not conducive with wearing spotless attire.

Dick Cheney looked pretty clean when he accidentally shot his lawyer friend. Stop trying to make excuses for anti-gunners and go back to your queer websites. We all know what a B.S. photo-op with a gun is. It is when a Liberal Democrat holds a gun and says one thing, but then get's in office and does another.

Show us a Republican Conservative who has done the same. Stop trying to make excuses for anti-gunners and go back to your queer websites.

Are you being un American. What exactly are you eating when you 'cap the perp' with your rambette paraphernalia. If you're not willing to eat bowling pins and steel plates, maybe you're not qualified to carry.

No reason to get flustered over this. The English called our typical form of hunting rough shooting. If you don't want to eat what you shoot that is ok. As Clint once said "....maggots got to eat too."

Lol. 31 pages of debunked abortion conspiracy theory followed Soros conspiracy and the phantom anti-gun troll conspiracy. You caught me. I work for Soros. It’s quite lucrative.

Does this look genuine? He’s really socially conservative so I figure he gets a pass on the canned hunt photo op. Looks like his finger is someplace it shouldn't be.

Yes he does. And Rick Santorum is a heck of a shot also.

Ryan, you didn't debunk anything. You just posted some links you happen to agree with and cried like a baby when I informed you that your precious article was written by someone who received millions of dollars from Planned Parenthood.

Of course, we all know that Soros has spent a ton of money pushing anti-gun laws and supporting candidates who have extreme anti-gun records. So it is natural for Libtards like you, King, and Jagermeister to come to his defense. King and Jagermeister readily admit to supporting anti-gun Democrats. Other trolls are too cowardly. When do you plan to come all the way out of the closet? Actually, I do believe your previous post may be your coming out party.

Do you feel better now that you don't have to pretend that you are a pro-gun conservative or stand up to pee?

I wondered about Rick. I know some pro-gun people don’t trust him one bit.

https://www.nationalgunrights.org/press/archives/item/331-rick-santorums-anti-gun-history

Soros is a progressive trouble maker of the highest order but he was not a Nazi collaborator.

I don’t claim to be conservative. Once upon a time…not anymore. Actually Rick Santorum is the poster boy of what turned me but that’s another story.

keith, you offer a fascinating peak into mentality of a fanatic. I gave you multiple mainstream sources that debunked all this silliness but you simply cannot accept the truth. You really think Glenn Kessler has been paid millions by Planned Parenthood? Wow. Just wow.

You might want to see if your local community college offers an introductory philosophy class. You need assistance with critical thinking and logic. Then you will not get so mad when King Brown makes arguments that go over your head. You think you’re calling out anti-gunners but you’re merely tilting at windmills.

That's interesting about Santorum. I didn't know that.

Good to know about Santorum. Nevertheless, if he's the candidate against Hillary, I'm voting for him...Geo

I'd vote for the Ayatollah himself over her...at least you'd know what to expect.

I take it with a grain of salt. Most alternative gun rights organizations (by that I mean non-NRA) are quite libertarian minded, and you know Santorum's history with libertarians. I think Santorum’s first allegiance is with the evangelical right. When that jives with gun rights, he’s pro-gun. When it doesn’t, he sticks with his dearest cause (not a horrible quality in a guy).

Here's what I was talking about Ryan, the imposter who claimed to be a conservative, but now no longer makes that claim because he slipped up too many times and outed himself. The following was my post refuting your silly Washington Post article which you used as proof positive that Planned Parenthood did not choose locations near minority population centers. I also called you out on your outlandish claim that Michigan was the birthplace of the Eugenics movement. But you will still frantically try to change the subject and never admit that you were wrong or that your sources were biased and dishonest.

Here ya go ace... in case you missed it the first time... which you didn't. You just can't admit to being wrong, even right after you admit to having been a liar about your deep conservative beliefs:

(Quote by keith)"Ryan, why are you going on and on about the selective edit when the full quote has been shown here several times by Mike and yourself? You choose to interpret it your way, but Margaret Sanger's writings, speeches, and her associates seem to show something else entirely.

Here's a comment from the Radiance Foundation on Guttmacher's claim in your Washing ton Post article:

"Not reported--Guttmacher is funded by Planned Parenthood and regularly spews false statistics. (Case in point, their former CEO Sharon Camp claimed that Guttmacher was "completely unaffiliated with Planned Parenthood" while being given millions by the abortion chain). Notice that the link to this recent Guttmacher report includes NO actual geographic data. None is presented. Guttmacher merely SAYS these abortion clinics are in mostly white neighborhoods at the same time they lament that there are "no [abortion] clinics in 89% of counties" in each state. Typical of this pro-abortion think tank, they contradict themselves. In their 2008 "Abortion Incidence and Access to Services" Report, they clearly state: "Abortion services are concentrated in cities." So, which is it? Unlike Guttmacher, Life Dynamics and Life Issues Institute (Arnold Culbreath's parent organization) actually present clinic location by address/zip code. All of the raw data is there to review. One would think a news organization would take the time to review Guttmacher's actual "evidence". Oh, but there is none."

Here's some links to the 78% (or more claim), but I don't expect you'll be cooking any crow because you are entrenched in your beliefs.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/16/79-of...acks-hispanics/

http://www.stopthecrime.net/videos/0021.html

Here's the link to the Life Dynamics study that analyzed zip codes and census data to refute the Guttmacher report.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/29/report-proves-planned-parenthood-targets-blacks-hispanics/

I'm still waiting for you to admit you were 100% wrong about your claim that Michigan is the birthplace of Eugenics, so you can stop telling us about your willingness to eat a crow if you are wrong. And you can lay off of Jim about presenting phony facts when it is you that is dispensing B.S.

I see you apparently have no problem when frauds like King Brown take Mitt Romney's words out of context. Interesting and revealing.

RyanF to all of us: "I don't care either way about Planned Parenthood or abortion because I stand up to piss... so pay no attention to me going ape-shit because people are criticizing Planned Parenthood and their founder, and because someone may have misattributed one quote to Margaret Sanger. Pay no attention to the false information I post here"

Did you know that Vince Lombardi didn't say
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing,"

King Brown should be along soon to tell us that he actually said those words when he engaged in naked wrestling with Vince Lombardi."(End quote by keith)

Go find some more bullshit Mr. ex-Conservative who decided to suddenly become a Libtard crybaby. By the way, Bill Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama and many other Liberal Left Democrats have claimed to be respectful of the 2nd Amendment, and then proceeded to attempt to gut it when they got the chance. Santorum nauseates you but they don't? Now everyone knows that we're dealing with another fraud.

Oh, keith you crack me up.

Jim’s quote is still bogus. You still insist on saying it “may” have been misattributed to Sanger! Well, we can’t prove she didn’t say it. You’re side-splitting funny.

This voluntary mind game you play to allow yourself to think what you want to think is hilarious. No amount of fact, truth, reason, logic, or empiricism will convince you to change you thinking. For you the key to "winning" the debate is not found in truths and facts, but through, emotion, mockery, and insult. You’re a lot like a progressive liberal.

It’s fun to see a fanatic on full display.

How many times are you going to cite those same extremist pro-life blogs as reliable sources? Three extremist blogs are more believable than mainstream news outlets. Lol. Show me any publican with an editorial board that backs your claims. I hear the sound of crickets.

Go find some sane pro-life sources to straighten you out. You’re going to be in a state when you see them citing Guttmacher research. Lol, it’s a giant conspiracy.

So eugenics doesn't have Michigan origins? Where did it get its traction then? This should be fun.

Ryan, you are obviously too stupid to comprehend what I already posted about the origins of Eugenics. Or too dishonest to admit that you are both wrong and ignorant. Why should I keep repeating facts that you refuse to acknowledge? Go back and try to actually read without your Liberal blinders on.

Of course you would believe that your mainstream media links are absolutely true. You probably still think that Brian Williams was truthful, even after he confessed... just like your mentor King Brown. Dan Rather too! But King would be very disappointed that you admitted to lying to us about being Conservative. King never admits to a lie even when caught red-handed and quoted in his own words.

You have a lot to learn about being a Liberal liar. But I have faith in you. Maybe you should imagine relationships with important people to regain the credibility you pissed away... sitting down I guess. You will have no fun with me. Way out of your league. What an assh*le.