The Pope and Obama were on the same stage in Yankee Stadium in front of a huge crowd.
The Pope leaned towards President Obama and said, "Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, but will go deep into their hearts and they'll forever speak of this day and rejoice!"
Obama replied, "I seriously doubt that! With one little wave of your hand....Show me!"
So the Pope backhanded him and knocked him off the stage!
. . . AND THE CROWD ROARED & CHEERED WILDLY and there was happiness throughout the land!

+1

But some sensitive guys here in Misfires will consider you a racist for telling us that joke. I'm sure you will be able to cope.

I think an objective look at it will show it's pc okay to make jokes about the Pope. After all he's pretty fair skinned and probably has a Judeo-Christian background. Ooops, I missed it, there's a victim in this joke, shame on you Chuck. Was that forceful enough, or are there any other code words that are stronger than shame?

OK, no racist joke here. Could be just as well told about G.W.Bush, Clinton our any of the others. I liked it but is very universal in today's world. 350 million people in America, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO CHOSE FROM!!!!! We are losing some good people because of the crap they have to go through. I'm sorry, make more than a Million a year, your disqualified. When is the last time some of these people pumped there own gas? Wondered if they could pay all their bills on time. Third party, Common sense. All I said and a buck will get you a cup of Coffee. Regards, Bob

Not at StarBUCKS...

I have no use for either the Pope or Obama. If the names were reversed it would suit me just as well.

Sounds like class envy to me. But I guess when you are a frequent Obama apologist, you tend to buy into the line that it is a crime to be successful... unless you are talking about Hillary. Your Governor Scott Walker comes from humble roots and is not a million a year man, but according to you, he is the devil.

By the way, it's pumped THEIR own gas... not pumped THERE own gas. You're never going to make a million bucks a year with spelling like that... unless you play professional sports.

The Pope hasn't added over $6.5 trillion to our national debt or screwed up the entire middle east. Nor has he attacked my Second Amendment Rights, so I much prefer him over Obama.

Plus he doesn't have genes from an ape...

Hmmmm,

We all do.

The pastor asked if anyone in the congregation would like to express praise for answered prayers.


Suzie Smith stood and walked to the podium. She said, "I have a praise. Two months ago, my husband, Phil, had a terrible bicycle wreck and his scrotum was completely crushed. The pain was excruciating and the doctors didn't know if they could help him."


You could hear a muffled gasp from the men in the congregation as they imagined the pain that poor Phil must have experienced.


"Phil was unable to hold me or the children," she went on, "and every move caused him terrible pain. We prayed as the doctors performed a delicate operation, and it turned out they were able to piece together the crushed remnants of Phil's scrotum and wrap wire around it to hold it in place."


Again, the men in the congregation cringed and squirmed uncomfortably as they imagined the horrible surgery performed on Phil.


"Now," she announced in a quivering voice, "thank the Lord, Phil is out of the hospital and the doctors say that with time his scrotum should recover completely."


All the men sighed with unified relief.


The pastor rose and tentatively asked if anyone else had something to say.


A man stood up and walked slowly to the podium. He said, "I'm Phil."


The entire congregation held its breath.


"I just want to tell my wife the word is sternum."

You might have come from an ape but I didn't....

Neither did I, or anyone else on this planet that descended from Adam and Eve, which, coincidentally, would be all of us. Funny how some seem to enjoy the claim of having apes as their forefathers. Makes you wonder why.

SRH

Your faith-based beliefs are guaranteed by the Constitution. It's when you try to impose them on others against their will that it becomes a problem.

Mine is not based on faith just common sense...

Chuck, that one fixed me up for the day!

I forwarded this one to the Pastor of my church but I doubt he'll use it publicly!!
Jim

Yeah,

The Religious Statists say the same thing...

Sorry my grammar isn't up to some standards. If all he can find fault in my post is my grammer than so be it. I WILL NOT support hillary, right now Rubio. I will support Feingold for our Senator. johnson is an idiot. PLEASE note the grammar, it is intended.

HJ,
When this subject comes up, my buddy always tells me "I'm not a tadpole from a shit hole". Cussin on Sunday for accuracy only.

My wife and I were blessed to teach the 4th grade girls Sunday school class, God's word today. What a treat.


Enjoy!

Your belief is faith based as well, Ken, for the theory that man evolved from apes is just that, theory. Never been proven, never will be. Matter of fact, it seems to me that it takes MUCH more faith to believe what you do, than what I believe. I'm no more trying to impose my beliefs on you against your will than you are, by making the statement that you did about all of us having genes from apes.

Have a great Memorial Day, SRH

No Doublefan... what I found fault with was your notion, currently popular among Liberal Leftists who wish to exercise class warfare, that it is somehow wrong to be successful in the United States. Sorry you missed that little detail. I seriously believe that the multi-millionaire Mitt Romney would have done a far better job of running this country and managing foreign affairs than the current Golfer-in-Chief. Capitalism made this country great and Socialism is slowly bankrupting and destroying it.

This thread drifting into an Evolution vs. Creationism discussion provides a teachable point on the philosophy of Religious Statism.

Don't for a moment think that I'm somehow anti-creationism, or anti-Intelligent Design. Those beliefs are a traditional doctrine of established religions, and to believe in them is clearly a part that is covered in the Free Expression clause of the Constitution. It is obvious that post-Reformation Christian philosophy resulted in the concept of not only the Individual, but Individual Freedom and Equality as well. This is the real significance, and is the main reason Christianity is constantly under attack by the Religious Statists, as it directly resulted in the Constitution.

I've said many times that there is no "War on Religion" in America. What is happening is really a "War OF Religion" as the Religious Statists attack Christianity in order to replace the morality of Individual Freedom and Equality with that of Statist Religious Collectivism, which is indoctrinated using the Soviet social science of Psychopolitics. This is the blueprint of how to indoctrinate this faith-based, totalitarian religious belief into a previously free American Society.

The real issue of religions is their resulting Subjective Morality. Does it further the concept of Individual Freedom and Equality? Or, does it further Totalitarian, Collectivist beliefs that are obviously Unconstitutional?

The method used by the Statists has been to draw Christians into the Trap of debating Evolution vs. Creationism. There's plenty of evidence that Evolution occurs, especially in the context of modern genetics. Mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA testing has been able to trace human evolution back to previous species of humans, not only to Neanderthals, but to earlier archaic species as well, as far back to the Erectines of over a million years ago. Carbon-14 dating is also used to date organic material, providing validation of age. If you choose not to believe this it is your choice, but it is Science. In contrast, Creationism is purely a faith-based belief. Before you creationists get all up in arms, consider my next point.

The Statists have used the unscientific topic of Creationism as the main attack on Christianity in order destroy belief in the Christian
concept of Individual Freedom and Equality. This is then replaced by their morality of Statist Collectivism, presented as Truth, but in reality another faith-based belief that is unconstitutional in nature.

Let me reiterate, it is a matter of the resulting morality of a religion that is the issue, not the specific doctrinal aspects of a it. People are free to believe what they want, as long as it is not sociopathically inflicted on others, which is exactly what religious statism does.

Okay, okay, Ken. You're good at labelling. Democracy, Christianity, constitutions and institutions are (and should be) constantly questioned and under attack while citizens engage in making rules of how they want to live.

How has Soviet political and social philosophy suborned the West's Christian ethology to the point of bringing America into its orbit of thinking, away from its "previously free American Society." And what do you mean by "free?

Doublefan, how you make sentences isn't a determinant of character. No one here has difficulty understanding the meaning of a post. What I don't understand is why some members engage in anti-social behaviour. That's ignorant.

There can be different ways to state or justify a position. I just didn't see Stan try to impose anything. Maybe just pointing out a tactic.

Are you figuring they were already human? How did they crawl out of the ooze. How does science explain and prove the Cambrian explosion.

King Brown, you obviously have the same inability to comprehend what I was actually telling Doublefan when he engaged in his anti-wealth class warfare rhetoric. You also apparently could not comprehend it when I explained it to him. Or is it your intent to twist my words once again? I am anti-social and unfriendly to anti-gunners and Liberal Left Socialists who support and defend anti-gunners. I guess that includes you in a big way. I wouldn't expect to see that change in the near future.

The real anti-social behavior here is the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy from Liberal Leftists like you. Why don't you go drink some of your award winning wine which was actually made by someone else, and play in the little vinyard with your pretend pals JFK and Martin Luther King. Sorry Jackie, no girls allowed!

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How has Soviet political and social philosophy suborned the West's Christian ethology to the point of bringing America into its orbit of thinking, away from its "previously free American Society." And what do you mean by "free?

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Sorry Comrade Sralin,

Your little stratagem won't work. I'm not going to rehash the entire Cold War. The "Second Childhood" affectation when you attempt to present yourself as entirely ignorant is too tiresome and pathetic. Go ahead and review my last couple of years of posts instead.

45 Communist Goals by Dr. Cleon Skousen (1958)

08
JAN
The following is a list of Current Communist Goals as revealed by Dr. Cleon Skousen in The Naked Communist, written in 1958 and read into the Congressional Record in 1963. Of the 45, I can provide specific examples to at least 40 of them. While they may be masqueraded under the guise of something other than communism, the final result is the same – the dissolution of the Constitutional Republic that is the foundation of the United States of America. It’s interesting that the Representative was a member of the Democratic Party, the very party that has been largely enveloped by those with Communist and Socialist beliefs. Let’s see where we are in 2013. As you read, keep in mind that this list was written in 1958.

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR., (D) OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. (CHECK. Presidents (both parties) have routinely supported U.N. measures that subject our sovereign power to the U.N.)

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. (CHECK. #44 has made a systematic effort to decrease the U.S. number of nuclear warheads while our enemies continue to grow theirs.)

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. (CHECK. #44 not only apologizes for our strengths, but works to undermine them in the name of moral strength.)

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. (CHECK.)

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. (CHECK. Let’s understand this does not refer to satellites in the sky, but to governments supportive of Communist Russia’s agenda. Currently, these would be the governments who embrace totalitarian regimes.)

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. (CHECK. Currently this refers not only to Communist domination, but also to Radical Islamic domination, i.e. Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, etc.)

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. (CHECK. 1971)

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. (CHECK. 1961 – remember, this list was written in 1958.)

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. (CHECK. Even in 2013 the conference is still going on.)

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. (CHECK, what are now Belarus and Ukraine were Soviet satellites until gaining their independence in 1991.)

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) (CHECK. Agenda 21.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. (CHECK – is it illegal? Nope, these days we are surrounded by mindless twits who think “Socialism is Cool”.)

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. (CHECK. Note the continued degradation of The Pledge of Allegiance and the systematic removal from schools and community government events.)

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. (CHECK. Not only does Russia have access, the entire world has access via the USPTO website.)

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. (CHECK. The Democratic Party ideals are largely communistic in nature. Whether or not they want to recognize or admit it.)

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. Too many examples to list.)

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. (CHECK, and none are so insidious as the NEA.)

18. Gain control of all student newspapers. (CHECK. Control the schools, control their media.)

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. Too many to list, but the December 30, 2012 Op-Ed favoring dumping The Constitution is a good example.)

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.)

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.” (CHECK. Look around. How many sculptures do you look at and ask, what the heck is that supposed to be?)

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.” (CHECK. Jesus on the Cross in urine, Mary surrounded by multiple buttocks with elephant dung, etc. all praised as “art”. I won’t give the artists the dignity of mentioning their names.)

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. (CHECK. Many of us remember George Carlin’s Seven Forbidden Words. While all of them can now be heard on cable channels, most of them can be heard on even network television.)

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. (CHECK. In 1953, the word “pregnant” could not be said on the I Love Lucy Show. We can all name shows where married couples had twin beds. Now, anything goes and what is on even network television used to be referred to as pornography.)

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.” (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. The point here? Undermine the family unit and weaken the community by creating single parent homes and non-reproductive couples. However, as many same-sex couples do have the desire to have children, this aspect of the mission has failed to a degree. The irony is that most “isms” consider homosexuality as offensive, however, as with anything else, it provides a means to their ends and the homosexual population are too eager to join the cause without knowing the history behind the “acceptance”. )

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.” (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.)

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principal of “separation of church and state.” (CHECK. The ACLU and atheist groups have made this their primary mission. And the ignorance of the American people and the courts have allowed it to continue. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION.)

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. (CHECK. See #20. Even sadder, a few years ago, a dear friend of mine referred to The Constitution as “just a 200-year-old piece of paper”.)

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.” (CHECK.)

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. (CHECK.)

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. (CHECK. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and the hits keep coming under #44’s regime.)

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. (In progress. The EPA and onslaught of Executive Orders are two of the strongest examples of completely bypassing the checks and balances created in the Constitution.)

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. (CHECK. Renamed to Internal Security Committee in 1969 and eliminated in 1975. In 1959 Truman called it “the most un-American thing in the country today.”)

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. (CHECK. We all remember SEIU President Andy Stearn’s Marxist tribute when he announced Workers of The World Unite.” Here’s #44 saying his presidency will be for the SEIU.)

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. (CHECK. If you can’t infiltrate, create your own. Think “Global Warming” and Green Energy.)

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. (CHECK to the 2nd statement. We all remember when it was widely accepted that some people are just plain mean. Now, the blame has to be shifted to some ethereal psychiatric disorder so that the person can be held harmless for their deeds.)

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. (CHECK. See 22-28. In 1950 there were 385,144 divorces. By 2009 that number has jumped to 2,318,615.)

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. (CHECK. Rather than raising children away from parents, this was accomplished through removing parental guidance in the home and the promotion of ideas like freedom of expression, being your child’s best friend, removal of rules in the home by “training” parents that discipline was bad for their child’s self-esteem, etc.)

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems. (CHECK. Three words – Occupy Wall Street.)

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. (CHECK. If not all, certainly several. Mau Mau Uprising anyone? Hmmm, what rings about the Mau Mau Uprising? Oh yes, it took place in Kenya, home of #44’s “father”.)

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. (CHECK. In 1999 the U.S. handed the Panama Canal over to the corrupt government of Panama. Panama subsequently signed a 50-year lease for two ports at each end of the Canal with Hong Kong’s Hutchison Whampoa Company, run by Li Ka-shing, who is closely associated with the Beijing regime. This gave China’s Communist Party de facto control over the most strategic waterway in the West.)

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. (IN PROGRESS. In the following year, 1959, Hubert Humphrey introduced into the Senate S. Res. 94 to repeal the Connally Reservation. This was followed by H. Res. 267 was introduced in favor of Humphrey’s bill. While no official repeal is found in the Congressional records it is widely known that #44 and his supporters favor acquiescing to international law in U.S. cases.)

Sheesh, Kenneth,

I guess them commie pricks were so busy f...in' our sh!t up they took their eye off the ball in Moscow.



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All I need is some tasty waves and a cool buzz. Jeff Spicoli

Yeah,

The ideology has clearly failed on a world-wide basis, yet the same sociopathic beliefs lives on in the Democrat Party.

Notice that in 1963 there were still Democrats that were anti-communist. Name me one Today.

Don't forget to give credit where credit is due as Doublefan likes to remind us whenever he jumps in to defend Obama.

Ronald Reagan had the brains to spend the old Soviet Union into bankruptcy and collapse. The Berlin Wall was taken down and one Communist Dictatorship after another chose freedom and Capitalism over the iron fist of Communism. Remember Yugoslavia, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and all those other Soviet Satellites that moved toward Democracy? But like the Iraq/Iran thing, somebody decided to take their foot off the neck of the snake, and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Being "more flexible" with Putin certainly is some "Hope and Change" that made him a happy guy.

Here's an overview of the Cambrian Explosion.

http://biologos.org/questions/cambrian-explosion

One of the main themes presented for the rapid evolutionary change is that after a major extinction event, previously occupied "niches" in an ecosystem are available. So, when an adaptation occurs to take advantage of this existing food source it's much easier for the adaptive change to take hold, thus speeding up Evolution.

The same type thing happened after the extinction event that took out the dinosaurs occurred, as mammals were able to adapt and fill previous niches held by dinosaurs.

Another, smaller example is what happened after the relatively minor event that occurred around 12 thousand years ago, the period called the "Younger Dryas". In that event the vast majority of temperate zone ice-age megafauna became extinct. All the mammoths, mastodons, giant sloths, woolly rhinoceros, etc. disappeared. Only one major megafauna species survived, the American Bison. There's also evidence that current bison are actually quite a bit smaller than their ancestors, meaning that being smaller, and more efficient with food use, was key to surviving the thousand-year abrupt cold period of the Younger Dryas. An evolutionary adaptation.

Human evolution of course goes much farther back, with a yet unidentified common ancestor with apes being around eight to twelve million years ago, multiple possibilities of ardipithecines and australopithicines up until around two and a half million years ago,then the emergence of "Hom0 Habilus". The first of the human genus.

Now, if you choose not to believe this stuff it is your Right. As far as freedom of religion. Just do not expect your faith based belief to be taught in a Science class. It should be taught in a Comparative Religion class, where the Christian morality can be explained to have resulted in the concept of the Individual and Individual Freedom, and consequentially the Constitution. All religious statist dogmas should be relegated to the same class, not in mainstream classes like they are in now. Class Warfare, Anti-Capitalism, Redistribution, Social Justice, Entitlement, Man-Made Global Warming, Communism and Socialism in general,etc. are all sociopathic religious beliefs that belong only in a comparative religion class. They should rightly be taught as totalitarian and oppressive, and completely contrary to the American, Constitutional concept of Individual Freedom and Equality.

So, Ken, as I understand your last paragraph, you equate Christianity with class warfare, anti-capitalism, social justice, entitlement, man-made global warming, communism and socialism. You said they all should be taught in a Comparative Religion class, so you must lump them all together. Pretty radical ............. equating Christianity with Communism. Deep down, you must really have an axe to grind with Christianity.

And, by the way, the majority of non-Christians refer to following the teachings of Christ as a "religion". Those of us who DO follow Him in our lives see it as more of a way of life than a religion.

SRH

Hardly.

Are you Trolling?

Christianity is the antithesis of Religious Statism. The only thing they have in common is that they are both religions. It is the resulting subjective morality that is the point, and the clear difference.

How about the comparison of Christianity with Islamic Fundamentalism? Wouldn't you say that the subjective morality between the two is clearly different?

Your response is the "Trap" I'm referring to, that Christians won't admit that Christianity is a religious, faith-based belief. Just like the Statists. I have no "axe to grind" with Christianity, although your reaction is typical among both Christians and Religious Statists. If I don't believe what you do, I must be "Evil".

What has happened, is that Christians have fallen for the Statist "Ruse" or "Feint" and gone for the debate about faith-based dogma. The real front in the War of Religion is on the battlefield of Subjective Morality, with the Christians not even aware of the attack from this direction.

It's like taking offence if I say that Miller and Budweiser are both "Beer", or saying that a Winchester and a Remington are both "Guns"..If I say that a Chinese double is of poor workmanship, yet a Parker is well made, do I have an "axe to grind" against the Chinese gun?

I'm not trolling, Ken, I really don't understand how you are not equating them when you say that they all should be taught in a Comparative Religion class. And, please do not think I am taking offense, I am not offended at all. I just don't understand your position.

I must have missed something tho', when did I project that you must be
Evil"? That's a stretch, isn't it?

All my best, SRH

They are both religions. They should be taught in a Comparative Religion class.

It's the true opportunity to compare and contrast the subjective morality, something that is not possible now, since the statists have been so successful in the demonization of Christianity and the insertion of their own sociopathic dogma within the Public School system.

This is also about the point you made about Christianity, with it's subjective morality being a "Way of Life". I consider that certainly preferable to unconstitutional, sociopathic, religious statism, which is now being taught in the public school system as their "Way of Life"..

All the tenets of Religious Statism I mentioned before should be contested at the School Board level. It is clearly the teaching of religious dogma, and is blatantly unconstitutional.

If you take a look, wouldn't you agree that supposition and grabbing convenient examples out of prehistory may not be good or even marginally acceptable 'science'. Yet, it's taught in science class. It seems that a good bit of faith is required to subscribe to ridgid evolution concepts. Maybe, it should be taught under a comparative logic curriculum, it could range from tortured to precise mathematical predictions.

You do mix in adaptation here and there, and I agree somewhat. Not that we'll have a human or even an earth worm climb out of a test tube zapped to form rudimentary amino acids. If there are ten cave men sitting around a campfire, the group just doesn't need the one or two around that won't hunt or complain a lot about their problems. Heresy to the overwhelming modern examples of adaptive changes, the new evolution?

I wouldn't be opposed to teaching the religious rebuttals and refutations of Evolution within a Comparative Religion class. That's certainly an appropriate intellectual exercise. Students could make up their own minds, and choose to have "Faith" if they desire. I don't consider it appropriate within a science class. Any more than I consider the current teaching of statist religious dogma within a history or social studies class.

I like religion to be left to the really "Big" issues. Did God create the "Big Bang"? I'm certainly Agnostic about that one.

If we're going into an Evolution vs Creationism discussion, we really need another thread. As it is I've co-opted this thread too far as it is...Sorry.

Anyone have any more jokes?

Could be. My concern would not be that some topics would be relegated to second class status, but that there would not be the acknowledgement that some 'approved science' is substantially faith based. Wish I had a decent joke, but the laugh seems to be at the expense of just one group. Just kidding, I'd be up for more jokes.

True. Many current "scientific" beliefs are clearly religious. It's because they have been disproven by additional science, yet because so many are economically invested in them they are still advanced and adhered to. (much of Nutrition, and certainly man-made Global Warming for example) That's one of the good points about science, beliefs and positions can be challenged according to the Scientific Method.

In effect, a belief presented as science which has either been disproven or never proven is usually referred to as "Pseudo-Science".

Yes Ken, I have a joke.

A girl went to a tattoo parlor to get a tattoo. The tattoo guy says, "Can I help you?" and she says, "Yes, I'd like to get a tattoo."

The guy says, "That's what I do... I do tattoos. What kind of tattoo would you like?" She says, "I'd like a tattoo of Elvis Presley right here on the inside of my thigh."

The guy says, "I can do that, but you'll need to disrobe completely from the waist down." She is reluctant about this, but he reassures her that he is a true professional, and any clothing would interfere with his artistry. So she removed her jeans and panties and sat in the chair and spread her legs.

The tatto guy went to work, and after about four hours, he said, "Well, I'm all done. What do you think?" The girl looked at the picture on the inside of her thigh and said, "Who the hell is that?" The tattoo guy said, "Why that's Elvis Presley." She told him it looked nothing like Elvis Presley, and refused to pay. He said, "I've been working on you for four hours and that looks exactly like Elvis. You have to pay me."

They argued back and forth, and finally the guy said, "Look, I'll do your other thigh. I guarantee it will look like Elvis, or it's on me." She agreed, and he went to work on the other thigh, this time paying extra close attention to fine details and working right off of a photo of Elvis. After another four hours, he proudly said, "Well, I'm all done. What do you think of this one?"

She looked at the inside of her other thigh and said, "Who the hell is that? He said, "Why that's Elvis Presley. The first one looks exactly like Elvis Presley, and this one looks even more like Elvis Presley." Again, she said it looked nothing like Elvis, and refused to pay him. Again they argued over payment. He said to her, "Listen, I'll get someone off the street to judge those tattoos and if they think either or both look like Elvis, you pay me. If not, the job is free." She agreed to this.

The tattoo guy went outside and grabbed the first guy who happened by, a staggering drunk. He said, "Hey buddy, I need you to come in here and judge some pictures." The drunk staggered in behind him, and the tattoo guy pointed toward the girl sitting in the chair with her legs spread, and said to him, "Can you recognize those pictures sir?"

The drunk squinted and studied and waved his finger toward the girl and said, "I don't know who in hell the two twins are. But the guy in the middle is Willie Nelson!"

I can see how teaching anything Muslim related could be deemed unconstitutional and morally wrong in the USA but how could teaching Christianity in our schools be unconstitutional when our Constitution was based on Christianity ?

Teaching Christian Morality, based on the Constitutional philosophy of Individual Freedom and Equality is not unconstitutional. Teaching the faith-based religious dogma as the basis is. It has to be framed in a philosophical context, rather than being framed in the context of mythology. Again, it's the point of the resulting subjective morality, not the specific dogma.

It's easy within the context of a Comparative Religion class. The Christian philosophy of Individual Freedom and Equality easily wins out.

Q: What do you name a dog with no legs?




A: It doesn't matter, he won't come when he is called, anyway.


Best,
Ted

Atheism, theism or Islamism are protected similarly under our constitutions, Joe. Those who share the ideal of a free and democratic society cannot favour one over another. Ken knows this, and is quibbling.

All his artful casuistry comes from imagining a society where individuals do as they please, including paying taxes according to their whims. Anything else is an imposition, theft with violence of his citizenship.

He has never claimed, to his credit, that his notions are possible.

With all the baiting and fishing going on here, surely doublegunshop will flounder.

I dropped out of my communism course because of lousy Marx.




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Much smoking kills live men and cures dead swine. George Prentice

Typical attempt at oversimplification.

Again, the Statist, Sociopathic response attempting to provide the false alternatives as either Totalitarian, Religious Statism or Anarchy.

Constitutionally limited government is the answer.

In my experience, and I look for these types of discussions, is that your average "Atheist" is really an anti-christian, statist, religious sociopath. Always ready to sociopathically inflict their dogma on their fellow Free and Equal citizens. Bill Maher is a prime example, but it's easy to apply to any Democrat that calls themselves an Atheist.

Perhaps it's vanity on my part, but I really enjoy asserting these points to them, watching their heads spin around and their hair burst into flames is really amusing...

The prototypical, 19th Century example of a malcontent living in his parents basement, yet believing that he was superior and entitled to "Rule the World"...

He clearly read waaaay too much Hegel, and considered himself a member of a superior "Ruling Class"..

The Sheriff, driving a giant truck, pulls up to the farmer's house.

Sheriff: "Because of the rains the roads are near impassable. Been much rain upstream and it is going to get worse. I came here to take you to high ground."

Farmer: "No need, God will look after me."

Well, the flood arrived and the farmer got on his roof to get out of the water. A neighbor motored up in a skiff.

Neighbor: "I've come to rescue you."

Farmer: "No need, God will look after me."

The flood got even higher. A National Guard helicopter flew up to the farmer's house. A Guardsman was winched down from the hovering helicopter.

Guardsman: "I am here to save you from drowning."

Farmer: "No need, God will look after me."

The helicopter flew away. The water got even higher.
The farmer drowned.

The farmer arrives at the Pearly Gates, angry because God let him drown.

St. Peter: "Welcome to Heaven."

Farmer: "Never mind that. Why did God let me drown? I had great faith in him."

St. Peter: "He sent you a truck, a boat, and a helicopter. What else did you want?"

Well, one good groaner deserves another.

What's long and hard going in but soft and sticky coming out?

Chewing gum.

Sorry guys but it's in the mid 70's here today and I'm on my third stiff bourbon coke to cool off.

A Communist is a person who read Das Kapital. An Anti-Communist is a person who read Das Kapital and understood.

Someone asks a guide in hell: "Why does Hitler stand up to his neck in shit, while Stalin is only up to his waist?"
-He answers, "Because Stalin is standing on Lenin's shoulders."

A communist was being interviewed by a reporter:
Reporter: If you have two houses, will you give me one?
Communist: Of course, yes!
Reporter: If you have two cars, will you give me one?
Communist: Of course, yes!
Reporter:If you have two shirts, will you give me one?
Communist: Of course, no!
Reporter: Why no this time?
Communist: Because I HAVE two shirts!

A man was washed up on a beach after a terrible shipwreck. Only a sheep and a sheepdog were washed up with him. After looking around, he realized that they were stranded on deserted island.

After being there awhile, he got into the habit of taking his two animal companions to the beach every evening to watch the sunset. One particular evening, the sky was a fiery red with beautiful cirrus clouds, the breeze was warm and gentle - a perfect night for romance.

As they sat there, the sheep started looking better and better to the lonely man. Soon, he leaned over to the sheep and put his arm around it. But the sheepdog, ever protective of the sheep, growled fiercely until the man took his arm from around the sheep. After that, the three of them continued to enjoy the sunsets together,
but there was no more cuddling.

A few weeks passed by and, lo and behold, there was another shipwreck.

The only survivor was Nancy Pelosi. That evening, the man brought Nancy to the evening beach ritual. It was another beautiful evening, red sky, cirrus clouds, a warm and gentle breeze, a perfect for a night of romance.

Pretty soon, the man started to get "those feelings" again. He fought the urges as long as he could but he finally gave in and leaned over to Nancy and told her he hadn't had sex for months. Nancy batted her eyelashes and asked if there was anything she could do for him.

He said, "Would you mind taking the dog for a walk?"

I wouldn't let that [censored] walk my dog...

Subject: Fwd: Tyrone


Because of his stupidity and clumsiness, his teacher, was always yelling at him, "You're driving me crazy, Tyrone."

One day Tyrone's mama came to school to check on how he was doing.

The teacher told his mama honestly, that her son was simply a disaster, getting very low marks, and that she had never seen such a stupid boy in her entire teaching career.

The mom was so shocked at the feedback that she withdrew her son from school and moved out of Detroit, relocating to Cleveland.

25 years later, the teacher was diagnosed with an almost incurable cardiac disease.

All the doctors strongly advised her to have open heart surgery, which only one surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic could perform. Left with no other options, the teacher decided to have the operation, which was successful.

When she opened her eyes after the surgery she saw a handsome young doctor smiling down at her. She wanted to thank him, but could not talk. Her face started to turn blue, she raised her hand, trying to tell him something but quickly died.

The doctor was shocked, wondering what went wrong so suddenly. Then he turned around and saw our friend Tyrone, a janitor in the Clinic, who had unplugged the life-support equipment in order to connect his vacuum cleaner.

If you thought Tyrone had become a heart-surgeon, there is a high likelihood that you voted for Obama.

...Geo

Give Tyrone a break at least he was working.