Obama will most certainly pardon him to avoid the embarrassment.
Check it out:

Seven months after the military began an investigation into the disappearance of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and his capture by the Taliban, which held him for five years, a new report indicates Army officials have determined Bergdahl — for whom the administration traded five top Gitmo-held terrorists — will be charged as a deserter.


Bergdahl’s attorney has received the charges, according to Shaffer, who claims the Obama administration is withholding the report.

O’Reilly said the White House has had this information for a while but has been delaying it under the auspices of Ben Rhodes, assistant national security adviser.

“This is shaping up to be a Titanic struggle behind the scenes,” Shaffer said. “Believe me, the Army here wants to do the right thing. Factually, there’s no way they can not do the right thing regarding Bergdahl. And the White House, because of the political narrative, President Obama cozying up to the parents and because he, President Obama, releasing the five Taliban. … The narrative is what the White House does not want to have come out.”

Read more at http://conservativebyte.com/2015/01/bergdahl-charged-desertion/

Dave:
I listined to this as well last night and agree wiith your assessment that Obama wil probably pardon him. I'll reserve further commen t until later.
Jim

Yup, this is just a small part of the paradigm shift in foreign relations. This seems like an easy one to drift off topic with mantra about citizenship and no one left behind, but they knew the likelihoods back when they staged the photo opportunities. I bet the 'conflicted' media goes with their pc hearts rather than 'investigating' about the policy, tactics and results.

I'd be interested as well in US policy concerning release for one of her soldiers, deserter or not. Tactics involve back-channeling. Results are very satisfactory compared to Israel releasing hundreds and sometimes more than a thousand Arabs for one Israeli soldier---I believe once for a body. Jews revere life; plus it's enormous boost to military and national morale. I'm not aware of any country disclosing "policy, tactics and results." Bartering goes back to antiquity, not a paradigm shift.

King there was NO " boost to morale" in the military when this deserter was released !


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/

Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero

There may not have been in the US military, Dave. For all the criticism of Israelis, I've never heard of them being called stupid. Israel goes to extraordinary risk and cost to not leave one of its military (or civilians in Entebbe) in enemy hands, dead or alive.

The US similarly with Tehran embassy captives. I don't think countries make distinctions concerning character in these cases. It's not uncommon or traitorous for our warriors to crack-up while engaged with the enemy---or after they come home.

I don't think Obama will pardon him,I think they will delay-delay-delay until they release him due to lack of a speedy trial.Then Obama wouldn't have to sign anything, it would be the "courts".
Mike

I had suspected it might be easy for you, not King, but the left to drift and justify, but the mechanics and paperwork of a swap can be done by a low level secretary. bo did disclose, but it's ok if you missed the tv time and press releases, that Dave was able to point out.

bo sent the message to the world and his citizens. bo decided to parade these parents in a photo op at the speed of light. You do know who rhodes is. He's orchestrating the info flow, not the DOD whose business it is. Hey, how about that document dump on congress about benghazi and memories of dysfunctional Tea Partiers beating dead horses.

A point of view could be, fine, good for the Israelis, I thought we were talking about US foreign policy. Hey, what is that policy, what tactics can we see even though some aren't disclosed, and what result did we achieve by the photo ops and press releases. Maybe most important of all, what results 'need' to be hidden from disclosure and why.

Not for deserters !

It think it's clear to everyone but the densest of Libtards that this guy deserted. The members of his own unit have publicly stated to the man that he deserted. It's just more of the stall and delay and obsfucation that's come to characterize the Kenyans administration.
Jim

Dave, I cut all these guys some slack. We never know the full story. While writing the history of an elite Canadian regiment, I learned of a company commander who wouldn't come to the Start Line for an attack, exhausted, battle fatigue, a leader during the Dieppe raid, fought his way with distinction from D-Day, his regiment never failing to take its objective. After the war banned from the regiment's officers' mess.

Later, interested in LMF courts martial---Lack of Moral Fibre--I corresponded with several RCAF veterans of our No. 6 Bomber Group overseas who were interested in writing a book about it. They felt that those who broke down weren't cowards. Canada at the end of the war had the world's fourth largest air force. Casualties during American day and Commonwealth night raids were enormous.

I think there was mention of Bergdahl's action giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Whatever aid he gave to the enemy, it couldn't compare with the fragging of officers by soldiers in Vietnam, fatalities (from my memory), at more than a thousand, approaching those killed in battle---disloyalty to country and aiding the enemy far beyond Bergdahl if he deserted, and most of the murderers got away with it.

Deserters deserve punishment. From my interest in LMF, and been scared to death in battles myself, I wonder about the circumstances of wilful desertion and mental breakdown. You're probably aware that Canada is only member of the coalition against ISIS on the front line. Several fire fights in the last week. It's raising hell in the House of Commons. PTSD will become part of it.

Even his parents looked and acted like Islamic radicals....

Sit back and watch if Bergdahl isn't locked up he will commit an act of terrorism.

Kingfish no one wants to hear your socialist/communist rhetoric.

Unlike most criticizing him here he signed up to put on uniform and serve this country. I'm willing to cut him some slack and given time plus chance he may yet become productive member our our society.

The person that signed up and the UCMJ criminal are two different 'people'. But of course you would cut him slack, didn't you sign here for a different reason than the fellow you are now that has no use for double guns. Did you give any thought to the folks that signed up, put the uniform on, and died on search and rescue missions for this knuckle head.

I know, Joe. It's just that I've seen more than a few broken soldiers. Two are in my village, one a hunting buddy comforted by a great Chesapeake, both persons under medications. Neither deserted, quite the opposite as they soldiered on to breakdown, but the thought of hangin' them high without knowing all the circumstances disturbs me. If that's socialist/communist rhetoric, so be it. I owe them my respect for their service.

Bergdahl if found guilty should be executed.



If mentally broken the truth is most likely they were all ready mentally broken....just like people like you that are easily disturbed over nothing.

What did Patton tell the mentally broken soldier laying in the hospital bed ?

At least 6 others solders died trying to get him back after walked off !

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html

According to firsthand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera and a diary.

At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for him, according to soldiers involved in the operations to find him. The Pentagon was not able to provide details on specific operations in which any soldiers killed during that time were involved.

Also, many soldiers in Bergdahl's platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika province in the days and weeks following his disappearance.

"Any of us would have died for him while he was with us, and then for him to just leave us like that, it was a very big betrayal," said former U.S. Army Sgt. Josh Korder, who has the name of three soldiers who died while searching for Bergdahl tatooed on his back

DaveK, is King trying to say we would hang deserters without a trial? Or maybe that's just how Canada does things. We all know that if King the Liar says it, it must be true... right?



The number of U.S. deaths in Viet Nam due to fragging varies from 45 to the over 1200 used by Libtards like King. Total U.S. deaths in that conflict from all causes was 38,196. If roughly 1 in 32 deaths in Viet Nam was really due to mutinous acts as Liars like King would have us believe, I really think it would have gotten more attention. It does appear that of the fragging incidents that were investigated, over 88% were done by soldiers who were substance abusers, and the rise of fragging coincided with the rise of drug abuse by soldiers. But figures lie and liars figure, right King?

What battles were you in King? We've never heard the stories of your war years.

I also believe that most of the fragging incidents were done by substance abusers. I'm also betting most were done in units where there was little control over the activities of enlisted men who were "off duty." In my unit, we were always doing something with the supervision of our first sergeant and/or gunny. We were not allowed to sit around and stew in our own juices about all the inequities of our situation.This was explained to us and the "Gunny" was working right along side of us on projects that were often to our benefit. We had "hot" water in our showers thanks to some pontoons and a pipeline bringing water into them that was heated by the sun.Just wanted to say this for the last 50 years.Thank you "Gunny Scott" and 1st sergeant Ward,C company 3rd Recon Battalion.

In my circles the phrase "mentally broken" is referred to as 'insufficiently brainwashed'.

Thanks for your report, RHD45. Nothing like from a person who was there. I can't remember if it was a conscript army at the time. If so, that would account for a lot of fragging by guys who didn't want to be there. Your story of discipline reminded me of the same kind of leadership by noncoms and officers on both sides of the India-Pakistan war at the same time Vietnam fragging was in the news---what, around '71 or '72?

Thanks, again. I love to hear these stories, the details, camaraderie. I remember a Gurkha telling me "I know if I listen to my sergeant I'm going to go home." After a night patrol piled in a dugout all the mountain men wanted to hear were hunting stories about my dog. That's enough, I'd say, but they would ask for just one more story about Jake.

The Muslims on one side and Hindus on the other were impressive in action, proud of their regiments and officers. Officers were more British than the British. An Indian brigadier on the front line said he would be seeing his Hindu friend on the other side in a few weeks in Geneva at an international (ground) hockey conference. Crazy!

In my circles, it's obvious many should have not been in the military in the first place. Won't go as far as Joe about already mentally broken but I know as a fact some joined because their teachers told them they must graduate high school to get in the military, training for a trade, a pension after 20 years---like working in the post office (not that there's anything wrong with that). I remember a front-page story of warriors leaving for overseas which quoted a down-at-the-mouth saying "I didn't sign up for this." Wrong guy, wrong place, another PTSD.

Joe, I think Ike lifted Patton from command for that slap, and he wasn't around for some battles where he would have been needed. Not sure. Worth a look.

Speaking as somewhat of an authority on the subject; having done 5 deployments, 4 of them year long combat tours in Iraq (1) and Afghanistan (3) and being there at the same time Bergdahl was I think I can speak with some insight.
This helped American soldier morale?? WTF? Over? You have got to be kidding me. The consensus was that he should be shot; that was the kinder punishment espoused.

Give him some slack? Why?

Enough of the intellectual pontification and BS; lets call a spade a spade. You all who want to give him the benefit of the doubt most likely believe MAJ Nadal Hassan’s attack at FT Hood was work place violence and that he wasn’t driven by Islamic extremism. You want to make excuses; he shouldn’t have been in the military, he was whatever etc. Quite a few guys, when the bullets were flying and the mortars and rockets hitting all around thought they shouldn’t be in the Army at that particular time. !!! But they sucked it up and did the mission.

He deserted his post. He deserted his fellow soldiers, his team mates.

He had PTSD? Please.

Here is the reality. Any soldier over in A-stan who felt they couldn’t hack it anymore only had to go to his combat stress detachment at his FOB and talk to them. They would do a quick diagnosis and if he was exhibiting symptoms that should preclude him from participating in further combat, he would have been shipped out of there. Suicide had become such a cause celebre’ that the Army was extremely proactive regarding anyone exhibiting and mental health issues.

That was sort of a running joke. Anyone who missed their mommy, girlfriend, wife, kids, dog, whatever, all they had to do was go to Combat Stress and say they felt like hurting themselves. Instant trip back to the rear and most of the time to the states.
Bergdahl had plenty of avenues besides deserting his post in combat and leaving his team mates unprotected. He left his guard post and didn’t tell anyone he was leaving it. He left a portion of the perimeter exposed, and in turn endangered the lives of everyone on that FOB.

I led soldiers in combat, I had guys break down and cry about their wives and families. We dealt with it with firm compassion. They got some time off, were allowed to call home, get some extra rest, no duty for a few days and they were good as new.

As a side note about PTSD AKA:Shell Shock//Battel fatigue: I remember a study we were instructed about when I was going through the Infantry Officer Basic Course (IOBC) in the early 90’s at FT Benning. It was about the Israelis and their handling of “Battle fatigue” cases in the 67 war. The point of the study was that at that time the Israelis treated them by sending them as far to the rear as possible to hospitals. And 20+ years later the majority was still in those hospitals. They never recovered.
We don’t do that in most cases. Rest, food, a respite from combat missions is usually all it takes.

So as far as feeling sorry for Bergdahl? Hardly. He had resources that he could utilize but he chose to walk away. ENDAGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS.

Regardless of that, the fact that the POTUS traded him for 5 HVT’s is absolutely unbelievable. And if I know the administration like we do, Bergdahl will disappear, and this will all be a non-issue to the current administration. If he is court martialed, there will be no finding until the very end of term of the POTUS and he will pardon him as he walks out the door. A slap in the face to all of us who served there.

As I like to say, Sympathy is in the dictionary between shit and syphilis. He won’t get any from me.

Thanks Brian:
For echoing the thoughts of many of us. However in your case you can base your opinion on facts. Thanks for your service.
I just finished watching the hatchet job the Libtards are trying to do on American Sniper and it's enough to turn your stomach.
Many on here are completely disgusted with the current "administation" in several areas and this Bergdahl fiasco is just one of them
It has gotten to the point for me that I really don't care to engage in semantics with the Libtards who infest this area.
Bottom line: You can't reason with socialist idiots who deny or ignore the truth.
Jim

The important thing Brian, when that final slap in the face comes either with Bergdahl's escape from prosecution or an Obama presidential pardon, is that you guys who served and sacrificed know the real truth. Thanks for the straight dope, which is in total opposition to the bullshit that King Brown is attempting to advance. It needs to be said, and it's a bit tough to refute when it comes from guys like you.

Liars like King will always abuse our First Amendment freedoms by lying and spreading propaganda in order to advance their Socialist agendas. All we can do is expose their lies and hypocrisy at every opportunity.

Thank YOU Brian !!
For both your brave service to our country in the War on Terror and fight against radical Islam and replying to this thread.

Another confirmation of your socialist/communist background.

Brian, I respect your authentic and authoritative report based on wide experience. I have no quibbles with it. I can't imagine servicemen not having the same opinion as yours. From all accounts Bergdahl is a deserter. Deserters should be punished, as I said. I don't doubt there's a military consensus to summarily shoot him.

Please correct me if the difference of opinions here is US handling of his release, five-for-one when he should be left to the enemy to determine his fate, speculation of Bergdahl getting off too lightly for leaving his post, and my preference to hold my opinion---give him slack---until I know how his head is working, PTSD etc.

Let’s assume he is a deserter. We don’t know his state of mind at the time or now. He may have lacked the moral fibre to see him through his duty. He may have felt himself a late conscientious objector complicit in a role of occupying invader killing an enemy fighting for his country---and thousands of innocents as collateral damage.

This is no apologia for desertion. I don’t know military or national obligations to bring home fighters, dead or alive, deserters or not. My guess is governments and the military code are obligated to a very high standard to do so according to Israel’s brave example and the current bartering of lives. Even the IS caliphate is bartering “state” to state.

So what to do with Bergdahl? I believe he was promoted while a POW. I believe the US was obligated to bring him home no matter what. There's no justification to punish him more severely than other soldiers who put their units at risk or visited shame on their country. I encourage members to google "US military atrocities" and make up their own minds.

King
I will answer as directly and specifically as I can.
King said “Please correct me if the difference of opinions here is US handling of his release, five-for-one when he should be left to the enemy to determine his fate, speculation of Bergdahl getting off too lightly for leaving his post, and my preference to hold my opinion---give him slack---until I know how his head is working, PTSD etc.”
Don’t know what you are asking. I cant speak for their opinions. If you are asking why there is a difference of opinions , its probably because some of us are more literal thinkers in this area.

King said “Let’s assume he is a deserter. We don’t know his state of mind at the time or now. He may have lacked the moral fibre to see him through his duty. He may have felt himself a late conscientious objector complicit in a role of occupying invader killing an enemy fighting for his country---and thousands of innocents as collateral damage.”
There is no assuming he wasn’t kidnapped, it wasn’t an alpine abduction. He walked off his post. That’s desertion. His state of mind? If that is the litmus test to determine if he should be punuished, then lets apply that to child molesters, murderers and rapists. That is a cop out.

King said “This is no apologia for desertion. I don’t know military or national obligations to bring home fighters, dead or alive, deserters or not. My guess is governments and the military code are obligated to a very high standard to do so according to Israel’s brave example and the current bartering of lives. Even the IS caliphate is bartering “state” to state.”
The UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) doesn’t specify any obligation on the US Military to bring back deserters.

King said: So what to do with Bergdahl? I believe he was promoted while a POW. I believe the US was obligated to bring him home no matter what. There's no justification to punish him more severely than other soldiers who put their units at risk or visited shame on their country. I encourage members to google "US military atrocities" and make up their own minds.
Until his status was known, he continues to get promoted like he was back in his unit. He gets all back pay and allowances. But if he is found guilty of desertion, he loses everything. The presumption if innocence until proven guilty.
The US has no obligation to bring home deserters. We left a bunch in Korea after 53.
MAJ Nadal Hassan continued to get paid in excess of 100K a year for the 4+years it took for his trial.

What does previous US Military atrocities have to do with Bergdahls desertion. Apples to oranges. Each case is judged on its own merits. Not even in the same ballpark. Why would you make that comparison.

Using your logic of “. There's no justification to punish him more severely than other soldiers who put their units at risk or visited shame on their country” then there should be no range of sentences for crimes. The guy who shoots someone in self defense and gets convicted of 2nd degree murder and the guy who is a DWI and kills a family; both get the same sentence? Makes no sense.

I think I answered directly and specifically. Please provide the same with any response s

I'll try to be concise and wary of he-said, he-said. I have no quibble with your post. You brought a soldier's opinion to Bowe Dahlberg, I a civilian's.You have broad experience in the military. I have broad experience with military affairs, courts martial, PTSD, cowardice, and escaped a charge of treason under our old Official Secrets Act for a national TV documentary involving Canada's "secret" underwater listening technology to protect North America, common knowledge for readers of US technical magazines.

There's no question of Bergdahl leaving his Post. He deserted. Lower-rank opinion is that his punishment should be rotting with the Taliban or a "kinder punishment" of shooting him at dawn. Higher command indicates the opposite, perhaps reflecting US national interests and what was in Bergdahl's head having significant influence on punishment, if any. His bugging out precedes national bugging out from wars with little or no public support. There were 22,000 US desertions in the Second World War, only one execution since the Civil War. I said no rush to judgment, wait for the whole story.

That's enough of me, here's relevant background:

Newsweek--"Commentary about the prisoner-swap negotiated between the United States and the Taliban of Afghanistan has already devolved into the type of bumper-sticker debate that emerges in the era of 140-character analysis on Twitter. On one side, those who condemn the Obama administration for “negotiating with terrorists.” (28 characters.) On the other, those who praise it for making sure that “no soldier gets left behind on the battlefield.” (47 characters.)

"As usual, reality is more complex. There is some to praise, some to condemn and much to wrestle with in the exchange of five Taliban leaders detained at Guantanamo Bay for U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, an American soldier held by the Taliban for five years. The truth is, anyone who believes this is a simple decision open to immediate criticism or celebration is probably driven by politics, and not knowledge of international or military affairs.

"The prisoner swap entails many legal, military and diplomatic issues—what is the Taliban? Does the American military still back the “no soldier left behind” doctrine? Is this deal different from others in the past? Does this instance constitute “negotiating with terrorists” or something more complex? Should peace talks with the Taliban be considered? And finally, who are the prisoners in this instance and does it matter what they did?

Washington Post---"The question of whether the U.S. negotiated with terrorists begins, of course, with whether the Taliban is a terrorist organization. All five of the detainees in the exchange were members of the Afghan Taliban. And the Afghan Taliban is not on the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations.

"In fact, the U.S. government had been trying for years to include the Afghan Taliban as part of the political reconciliation plan for Afghanistan. So if members of the Afghan Taliban are terrorists, the U.S. government had been negotiating with them for years. Last year, the U.S. made a diplomatic push to include the Afghan Taliban in the reconciliation process by encouraging the opening of a Taliban office in Qatar, but the effort quickly unraveled. The Afghan Taliban suspended direct talks with the U.S. in 2012, and according to the State Department, direct communication has not resumed since."

Wall Street Journal---"We don't qualify who we try to recover: He's an American soldier," said Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary. "It doesn't matter how he was taken captive. It doesn't matter under what circumstances he left. It doesn't matter what his persuasions were, political or otherwise. We have an obligation to recover all of those who are missing in action."

Brian, the military and civilians often get it wrong. Rumsfield with his 123,000-man piece of cake in Iraq, Westmoreland and Co. in Vietnam. Bowe Dahlberg, promoted to sergeant and on active service with reported more than $350,000 in his jeans for time served, will not be shot or punished. Civilian leadership does worse to shame our countries all the time.

Why all the detail about the superficial. bo wants to close gitmo. He could've given 'em six 'freedom fighters', on the quiet. Why the message, and please about the shame. Anti war is an auto response mantra, at any cost, there is no shame.

If we're worried about perceptions, isn't five living breathing rock star taliban inspirational leaders worth more than some lefty saying gitmo helps recruiting. I think the topic is 'endanger', not 'shame' our countries all the time, but chances are the 'topic' would get sidetracked.

I've shot my bolt on this one, Craig. As Newsweek said: "The truth is, anyone who believes this is a simple decision open to immediate criticism or celebration is probably driven by politics, and not knowledge of international or military affairs."

That's all we get in Misfires, the left blaming Bush, the right blaming Obama, when often neither are to blame but following protocol i.e. Canada and the United States despising the Saudi kingdom but smiley because of national interests.

Shame is the word for what we do to keep the house warm and a roof over our heads. Keep cool.

Shame is the word for what dishonest Liberals do to attempt to excuse the idiotic and dangerous actions of the anti-gun Socialist Obama.

Now we have King quoting leftist rags and leftist authors, trying to say that the Afghan Taliban is not a terrorist organization. I know we sided with them and helped them when they were trying to oust the Soviets, but they turned on us in unmistakable anti-American Islamic Jihad. They operated training camps to train radical Islamists to attack us repeatedly. They harbored bin Laden until he fled to Pakistan. They do not wear the uniform of the Afghan armed forces. They fought a protracted guerrilla war that killed and wounded our soldiers.

Now we have King making lame excuses for the Junior Varsity foreign policy team Obama attempting to overturn long-standing policy of not negotiating with terrorists, and even worse, trading five of Gitmos most ruthless Islamic terrorists for one deserter.

Brian, you asked for a straight succint reply and got more of King's covering for Obama. Who could have seen that one coming?

I know we're all just one big happy single parent family, and sure it's beyond the comprehension of the average voter. But, why'd you bring Bush into it. No big deal, I just ask because bo was the guy that let the five misunderstood, blameless freedom fighters, back in the game.

I know this horse has been beaten to a pulp, but the equivocation for distractification, huh? Inquiring minds want to know, and you often opt not to respond, what's so important about this issue to reinforce the facade that it's no big deal. Keep warm, hey you're up in NS.

Here's a veteran's opinion. Deserters should be hung by the neck until dead, dead, dead. Fraggers should be hung for three days and nights. And pictures taken.

SRH

What about Community Organizers and anti-gun Canadians who give aid and comfort to the enemy? Oh wait... I forgot... blowing up our soldiers with suicide vests and IED's is just a little workplace violence.

I'd get in trouble because I'd be tempted to take a steaming dump on the corpses head.

Treason - Obama Aids the Enemy!

By Matt Barber

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14607/treason-obama-aids-enemy/#sICtRw1r8IEfGmc3.99

“There is no doubt that Americans will die as a direct result of Obama’s demonstrably illegal actions here,” I wrote back in June. “With most of these monsters in their 40s, they’ve got decades to kill as many Americans as they can get their blood-soaked hands on.”

The National Enquirer, of all publications, interviewed me on my analysis, publishing a feature article that largely echoed my sentiments and concluded, “Meanwhile, D.C. insiders say that the only way the Bergdahl fiasco will ‘disappear’ is if the U.S. gets involved in an ongoing crisis elsewhere, which will allow President Obama to ‘redeem himself’ in not only the eyes of his critics but the world.”

While the Obama administration has, no doubt, manufactured many a crisis elsewhere, no such redemption has been forthcoming. Neither has the Bergdahl scandal disappeared. Instead, that which even hard-left Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., feared has, in a few short months, and quite predictably so, become reality. We now learn from a reluctant Obama media that at least one of the “Taliban Five” – one of these faithful followers of Muhammad – intends to kill more American citizens.

Reports CNN:

“The U.S. military and intelligence community now suspect that one of the five Taliban detainees released from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in May of last year has attempted to return to militant activity. …

“It comes at a politically sensitive time as the administration has quickened the pace of prisoner release in an effort to encourage the closure of Guantanamo, and the Army must decide in the coming weeks whether and how to punish Bergdahl for leaving his post. [It's called wartime desertion, CNN. Until recently it got you lined up and shot.]”


According to a September congressional report, “about 17 percent of detainees transferred out of Guantanamo Bay are confirmed by the U.S. to have returned to militant activity. About 12 percent are in the suspected category,” noted CNN.

And so as Barack Obama recklessly sows the seeds of a foolish, politically driven campaign promise, we begin to reap the poisonous fruit of his incompetence. As intelligence concludes that nearly one-third (probably more) of these rabid jihadi dogs will return to their rabid jihadi ways, Obama yet races to loose them from their chains. (Hey, I hear ISIS has several openings in HR [Head Removal]. Perhaps our Muslim-sympathizer-in-chief can whip-up a quick batch of reference letters.)

I wish it could be said that this man is simply an incompetent fool, but I fear it’s much more complicated than all that. At best, Barack Hussein Obama is a full-blown dhimmi (one who surrenders to Muslim dominance). At worst, he shares with Muslims the sworn enemies of both the Quran and “progressivism,” namely Israel and Christianity.

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14607/treason-obama-aids-enemy/#sICtRw1r8IEfGmc3.99

Contrary to what liberals think there is no way of knowing what goes on inside a criminals head.

Simplistic answer is he's a genetic screw up.

The problem in USA is that in grade school teachers do not seem to nurture love of things that individual students are good at. Theoretically people should pursue careers for which they're gifted. Military career is very challenging as it requires love of country, sacrifice, perseverance and most importantly realization that person may get killed or have to kill another. This is not for everyone. Lets see.... Well, those who are not particularly gifted should become maybe religious preachers?

Not for nothing are many soldiers from low-income families who see the military as employment, like a job at the post office, not expecting they'll be called to give their lives for it. Another attraction is some see military service as a cushy cocoon where their lives, housing, families are nurtured, disciplined by higher ranks, their responsibility to do only what they are told. There's a difference of combat capacity between volunteer and conscripted armies.

King, you and I can certainly agree on that! If the political class had to justify putting all taxpayer's children under the draft in harms way we'd have less foreign adventures...Geo

You don't know what you're talking about, Kingston. The U.S. Military Code of Conduct, which all inductees swear to, has contained in it this:

Article I
a. I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I remembered that from boot camp. You think underprivileged kids can't, or somehow don't understand it?

SRH

With respect, Stan, my post had nothing to do with underprivileged kids (although I have more than a little experience with them). Nor does it have anything to do with the Military Code of Conduct. Many join the military from low-income families as a last resort of employment in disadvantaged regions. I know of a high school in northern Canada where sons and daughters were told they must complete Grade 12 for the only almost-guaranteed job in the armed forces. Two became friends, both joined and saw service overseas, both now on medication with PTSD, man and wife. Neither dreamed they'd be in action.

With respect King, your post easily has to do with class warfare. No, they did not have to enter the military, as you've mentioned before they could survive off the land and folks you know would look the other way if a deer was taken out of season.

How long were they in. Did either or both have the opportunity to claim pacifism, intentionally fail a drug test, scuffle with a superior all to get out once it became apparent that they'd see action.

No? I'll bet they made 'informed' decision. Heck, the wife could've gotten pregnant. That would've gotten at least her out of combat.

No, your message is clear. The poor do the dirty work and pay the price so that the rich can wiggle their kids out of the distasteful requirements of society. So the ptsd crew deals with their situation. I bet, if they have kids, those kids have much better prospects because their folks saw the sacrifice as worth it.

I hope the kids respond with gratitude and respect, rather than do the lock step, bash the military from their private school and nice suburban neighborhood.

You must've been talking about Canadians, Kingston. All military inductees here learn the "Code of Conduct", and would thus have no reason to be surprised when they found themselves in life threatening action.

And, what's the diff between "low income families in disadvantaged regions" and "underprivileged"? That is what I meant by that. You're mincing words, now.

SRH

I'm sure inductees here as there learn conditions of the deal: we'll give you a job, train you, and you'll go where we tell you and sacrifice your life if necessary in the service of your country. I was commenting on an aspect of motivation of becoming a soldier, why some join as a job opportunity of last resort. Everyone, civilians know soldiers die doing their duty.

No quibble from me as you see a distinction of words, Stan. Most of the people around here are low income but they don't think of themselves as underprivileged, nor do I. They may be disadvantaged by living in a region of meagre opportunities, few markets for their skills, with little interest in school. Many break out and flourish. My distinction is they don't belong to a class, of being born into, not having privileges, the rights and advantages of others. That's what underprivileged means to me.

It's okay if you believe I'm mincing words.

King, you just blather on.

My Grandfather was a sharecropper - in case you don't know what a sharecropper is he farmed land owned by a "rich man" and lived in the house provided on the land. The "rich man" furnished the land, seed and fertilizer and my grandfather provided the labor. He farmed with one mule (I remember when he bought his only tractor, I learned to drive on his new Minneapolis-Moline). My grandfather received 1/2 the crop to sell for his labor and was allowed some of the land for a garden to feed his family. He was always proud that he was a good sharecropper so his "rich man" furnished him a painted house to live in. My father worked hard on the farm and in the small nearby town in a grocery store during his high school years during which he saved enough money to buy 15 acres of red mud and rocks. My father sold this land to my grandfather (the first land he ever owned) to pay for some of his college. He also worked nights in a mattress factory to pay for college. He was drafted in December 1940 and extended for the duration when Pearl Harbor was attacked. The Battle of the Bulge, one purple heart, three bronze stars later he was separated from service, finished college and went to medical school.

From his birth my father was expected to be a sharecropper or, at best, a small land holding farmer. His "disadvantaged" or "underprivileged" childhood did not keep him from his dream of becoming a doctor.

Meager opportunities my ass - make your own opportunities!

Yep, as you can guess in 1968 I dropped out of college and joined the US Army. In the Army's infinite wisdom they sent me to Germany and stationed me 50 miles from my grandmother's house (yes, my father met my mother in 1945 in Mannheim, Germany and brought her to SC in 1947). But from the day I entered the US Army I KNEW that my life was on the line - the military's job is combat - some go, some don't but ALL are available for combat.

Like my father after I completed my military service I went back to college and graduate school but I chose to be a CPA (Chartered Accountant for the Canucks here).

Anyone who joins the military as a "job opportunity of last resort" doesn't have much going for them, not in terms of opportunity, but in terms of capability, determination and desire. One makes of life what one makes of life, which is why socialism is such a dismal failure.

Three of our sons were in the military, two in the Air Force 8 & 10 years, one in the Navy, 20 years. The two in the Air Force both earned Bachelor's Degrees courtesy of the VA, the one in the Navy earned his Bachelor's while enlisted in his spare time while on deployment and his MBA courtesy of the VA after retiring. Both of the Air Force sons were on the ground during Desert Storm, the one in the Navy served from 1986 to 2006 and spent much of his time in the Gulf.

Playing the class warfare and the victim cards as justification for Bergdahl's desertion is a sorry excuse. Many children from low income families better themselves and go on to lead meaningful lives, while others gravitate to a life of crime. We should no more excuse Bergdahl for his crime than we should excuse a bank robber or murderer for his.

We shouldn't make the mistake of thinking or believing that King Brown is really making excuses for Bergdahl or any other deserters. Regular Misfires readers recognize that this is about King making excuses for Obama's insane 5 for 1 swapping of murderous Islamiic Jihaddists for an intentionally AWOL soldier who endangered and contributed to the deaths of fellow soldiers.

If Bush or any Republican had done something even half as irresponsible, King Brown would be crowing about it with his last breath.Remember, this is the same King Brown who has been cheering wildly for Obama as he makes one foreign policy blunder after another.

King has no problem with Obama trying to restrict your gun rights... even as Iran races toward having the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Obama has more respect and trust in the Mullahs of Iran than he has for us. And King defends it.

I still say hang 'im by the neck until dead.

And (make King) take pictures.

SRH

C'mon, Stan, that would be cruel and unusual punishment!

If I had my way, he would've never come back to the U.S. He should have been left there for the Muslims to behead. And then hung the five terrorists. Win, win.

And, one other thing, he WASN'T a soldier once he deserted, King, as you made comparison of him to Israeli soldiers. He was a deserter. Unworthy of trading for. A true American soldier is worth risking lives for, a deserter is not.

SRH

No King... cruel and unusual punishment is what ISIS did to the Jordanian pilot when they burned him alive. Those adherents of the "religion of peace" have the same mindset as the 5 terrorists whom your precious Obama traded for 1 deserter.

I wonder how many innocent people will die a cruel and unusual death as a result of Obama's stupidity?

The release of those five isn't going to make any difference in the end. We can't keep those Talib fighters locked forever. Sooner or later we will have to negotiate with those present in Afghanistan.

I haven't noticed any follow up news stories. Did the Jordanians release the bodies of the fighters they are executing in response to the burning alive video.

Good answer craigd... you beat me to the punch again.

Actually, we could keep those Taliban terrorists locked up forever. It's called Life Imprisonment without parole, and it's what you do to dangerous killers who are likely to kill again. Of course, Libtards and Leftist Liberal ACLU types frequently argue and appeal to save those worthless scum, which illustrates a total lack of brains.

If even one of those 5 who were released carries out some terror plot that kills or maims one of your family members Jagermeister, will you still think it didn't make any difference in the end? If any rejoin their Jihad battle and kill any soldiers, do you think it will make any difference to their families in the end?

Or are you as stupid as you appear to be?

You'll have to take it up with the Pentagon, Stan. It says no matter what he did, the United States is obligated to bring him back. This is Israeli policy as well.

WRONG !

So is Israel really negotiating with terrorists, or are they routinely taking large numbers of prisoners to use later as bargaining chips? If Israel is smart enough to stockpile human bargaining chips, why is the dumbass Obama hell bent on releasing even dangerous terrorists from Gitmo?

What we know for certain is that King Brown is all about defending the anti-gun Liberal Socialist Obama when he would never ever do the same for a pro-gun Conservative.

Let's say this obligation is so. You miss the point, at what cost and with what message. It's just as valid to carpet bomb until they cry uncle and sent the knucklehead home in a luxury private jet.

The United States doesn't consider cost in this equation any more than Big Money is phased by cost of commercials for the Super Bowl.

The United States learned carpet bombing doesn't work. Enemies didn't cry uncle in Vietnam and Afghanistan. They framed collateral damage perfectly in their propaganda.

Lose-lose.

I see what Brown said since Craig quoted it above. He is FOS as usual as we in fact left deserters in Korea after that little fiasco.
Jim

I'll leave it for others to google but from memory there were more than 50 Americans who stayed in North Korea, including near half by preference who didn't want to come home.

The US didn't leave deserters by choice. They would have had to fight a tenacious army backed by China to get them, and that wasn't in the cards "after that little fiasco." We were lucky to get out of there.

From my earlier post:

Wall Street Journal---"We don't qualify who we try to recover: He's an American soldier," said Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary. "It doesn't matter how he was taken captive. It doesn't matter under what circumstances he left. It doesn't matter what his persuasions were, political or otherwise. We have an obligation to recover all of those who are missing in action."

That obligation does not include invading a country after an armistice. Note Admiral Kirby's word "try."

Yes Jim, you are missing the same old shit... more of King Brown talking out of both sides of his mouth and always looking for that little qualifier (weasel words) that makes him right in his mind.



Note that Adm. Kirby didn't say anything about not attempting to bring back a deserter after an armistice... that is King's latest weasel words. The issue here is who and what Obama traded for a deserter. Adm. Kirby's statement was about those "missing in action." Bergdahl was not MIA... he was a deserter. Bergdahl's life was not in imminent danger. This was merely a stunt and a means to reduce the prison population at Gitmo so that Obama could fulfill a foolish campaign pledge. One can imagine that if this was a new war with Korea, Barack Obama would have given the North Koreans either better quality enriched uranium, or intercontinental ballistic missile technology (as Clinton gave to China) in exchange for a deserter. This was another Obama blunder, pure and simple.

But remember, this is all about King once again supporting and providing cover for an anti-gun Democrat. King doesn't give a rat's ass about Bergdhal one way or another.

Thanks Keith:
I can see I haven't missed anything but more B.S. from the post you uncovered above.
I wonder what it takes to get ones mind this warped to try to lie to suppport your position?
The United States is not under any obligation to recover deserters and if they are recovered they are to be treated as traitors and dealt with by a military tribunal.
The idiot occupying the White House welcomed him home like some kind of hero against all evidence he's exactly as described. A deserter who is responsible for the deaths of other American personnel.
Jim

Show me where it is Pentagon "policy" to trade five terrorists who will go back and kill more innocents for one deserter.

I don't have to take it up with anyone. I did not say it wasn't US policy to try to bring them all home. I don't know the answer to that definitively. What I said was "If I had MY way" .................

Read more closely, Kingston.

SRH

Stan,
King can't he will waffle and change the subject and then post something that he can not back up,its his way of trying to "nudge" America into socialism,he feels its his "job" to further the cause.

Pentagon didn't say anything about foreign policy. It's none of its business what the suits in State and WH do. As I said, take it up with them. Pentagon may recommend but not frame the deal.

Dave, we're all up to our eyeballs now in socialism.

You betcha King... and we can all see the many rotten fruits being produced by the poisonous tree of Socialism.

It's so bad that all you can do is tell a constant stream of lies to defend and advance it. What a fraud you are. A normal person would be ashamed.

King Brown you should change your moniker on here to 'Chit fer brains'...because you have chit fer brains.

He should change his posting name to K. Lenin Brown. It would be easier for all of us to respond to him as "Lenin", and would be an accurate philosophical representation. Or, he could be called Sralin"...

It would be an improvement of what some call me, Ken! Either way doesn't make a difference. My name is Kingsley Lenin Brown. I am proud of it.

No, Stalin another man entirely.

Not Stalin, Sralin!

You are also proud of posting a constant stream of lies, misinformation, weasel words, and pure bullshit here. And you are also proud of an incompetent Community Organizer who managed to get elected only because lying Liberals in the Press conspired to see that he was not properly vetted. Being proud of failure, dishonesty, and fraud is nothing to be proud of... Mr. Sralin!

A rough translation of "Sralin" can be found in paragraph 5 of this review of a Soviet movie where the reviewer mocks the stupidity of Russian people and even intelligensia who fight to defend "subhuman dictators, caste society, and a cattle existence."

https://einsamerkrieger.wordpress.com/tag/june-22/



Good one Ken61! But way over the head of our intellectual King... using the classic definition of "intellectual" as one who is educated above and beyond his intelligence.