https://news.yahoo.com/as-wars-wind-down--small-town-cops-inherit-armored-vehicles-233505138.html

so, here we are.......

http://globalnews.ca/news/1507960/police...draw-criticism/

didnt take long did hit...

is your town next? give boys toys an dey will play wid dem...

I got a kick out of the part where the Al Jazeera America president complained about press freedom.

It'd be like hearing you and Comrade King complain about high taxes and government spending. Or loss of freedom to an increasingly totalitarian State.

ken: do you vote? if so, help us vote the bastards out...

meantime, read this:

http://news.yahoo.com/why-do-ferguson-s-police-officers-look-like-soldiers-184517098.html

Snipers scoping the public + national media coverage = really bad public relations.

The Ferguson police must have missed that whole Cliven Bundy ranch war fiasco.

Now I understand why the Chicago police allow some neighborhoods to remain war zones.

snipers scoping the public, regardless of media coverage is a very bad thing...we need to put a stop to "it" now...next thing you know, "we" will be required to pay special taxes and quarter "them" in our homes...

I think 'really bad pr' is just another way of saying 'really good pc opportunity'. I agree though, national media tends to equal pr spin.

sounds like the wagons are beginning to circle...and none too soon.

http://news.yahoo.com/congressman-wants-curb-military-surplus-program-070610321--politics.html

Looks like this is going to be the never ending racist issue used to "fire up" the black vote for the midterms.

You really gotta respect people who show support and respect for their fallen brother by acting like animals and stealing flat screen TV's, Nike athletic shoes, and hair weaves. King's good buddies Martin Luther King and Ghandi would be proud.


You were tight with Ghandi too, weren't you King? I'd be shocked if you weren't.

did y'all know that there are over 100,000 machine guns in the hands of our domestic police forces? scary aint hit?

ed,
The local police force used to qualify at the same club where I shot on a center fire handgun target league. They have their own, private, outdoor range now, a good thing, as there are no limits on when they can use it.
It is also a good thing that it is private, as the public would be stunned to learn just how many of those on the force are really lousy shooters. Not all, but, a surprising number of the people in law enforcement consider the gun a nuisance they have to deal with, and clearly don't enjoy shooting and/or qualifying.
I expect the great majority of those full auto weapons in the hands of enforcement haven't even had a good cleaning in the last year, much less any serious use. They probably shouldn't have them, but, to keep an operator sharp with one takes time and money, both of which are in short supply in almost every police department in this country.

Best,
Ted

At least they stick together. Perhaps one should join them. You know, get some "free" New Balance shoes, new pc, shirts with pony rider,.......

The downfall truly begun with 9/11 plus The Patriot Act and things are only going to get worse. The bomb clearing vehicles will come in handy when populace comes out onto the streets.

Oh by the way SG ammo has good deals on old military AK47 magazines. I would buy an AKM and some magazines plus ammo for it. The images in 'ole' crystal ball' aint looking real good. I been able to pick up several boxes of 7,6xx39 Remington soft points. These seem to be made of unobtainium now.

Nope, I thought you said the scary part was that law abiding, good citizens had those evil black guns.

Iffen, I werz a rank and file law enforcement officer, the scary part for me would be incoming molotov cocktails. No, not because it would be the green light to return automatic gun fire, but because the 'boss' would have okayed mob rule. Democracy in action so to speak.

To add to this:
I concur with your opinion about their shooting ability based upon my time as a RSO. I had a female on the range at one time whose stance was so bad I went over and tried to give her some corrective pointers. She informed me she was a police officer from Colorado and didn't neeed any advice. Some of the worse shots I ever saw there were police officers.
In order to qualify for holster draw on the range everyone including law enforcement had to pass a basic test. You should have heard the grumbling from the police officers and FBI agents who had to take this test. Guess what? Some of them didn't pass it the first time.
Jim

Just noticed that I missed a letter O in the word "too" in my last post which Jagermeister quoted above. I'd like to buy a vowel. Corrected the mistake. Damned tiny cell phone keyboard!

My local police dept. had a couple Thompson SMG's since the 1930's, I think. They were like new when I saw them about 15 yrs. ago. The military has a lot of full auto guns too... and even bigger stuff. I don't worry about that as much as I worry about an egotistical incompetent commander in chief who has no respect for our Constitutional Rights... especially the 2nd Amendment.

I think you have screwed-up priorities ed.

but then on the other hand...if the ferguson, mo cops had not had all that irak war surplus military hardware, to show and tell with, what would have stopped the looters from moving on from the retail stores to private homes?

This is a trick question right. If you look at the demographics, private homes = no pc news here, move along. Retail stores, big corp run by whitey, probably? Looter is such an insensitive word, pc democracy in action, maybe just a little progress.

That is why every household should have at least one Kalash with several loaded 30 round magazines. I like pricy Remigton & Federal SPs.

yeah, well just hope no black guys are delivering fedex or ups packages requiring signature in that neighborhood.

Well, the rioting, burning, and looting continues. The race hustlers are moving in. These incidents are just like Black Friday... the day after Thanksgiving... only 63 shopping days 'till Kwanzaa!

keith: yes, but sadly, you sound like a race hustler yourself...

are you suggesting that all people who celebrate kwanzaa are opportunistic, mean spirited agitators, full of hate and resentment?...i think not.

it is this negative sterotyping of blacks and other readily identifible ethnic groups, because of the misdeeds of a minority of their group, that should be discouraged.

why do you and others continue to come on here and make bigoted accusations? are you all really just children, who have litttle experience with and exposure to others who are different from you?

ed, your comments are pretty stupid... predictably. The things I said are not bigoted at all. You were more bigoted when you suggested that all law abiding white gun owners should be restricted and banned from buying certain classes of firearms that you don't like, and that gangbangers often use to commit crimes. Go back and carefully read what I wrote.

Nowhere did I attribute the actions of the rioters in Ferguson Missouri to everyone who celebrates Kwanzaa.

Al Sharpton and Co. certainly have used this shooting as an opportunity to make their usual case that this was racially motivated... without knowing the facts or waiting for an investigation and due process.

Those weren't Chinese people who were throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, and running amok, stealing everything they could. I saw blacks and whites marching and protesting, but only one group looting and burning. What do they steal??? Is it nutricious food, or home improvement items, or clothes to dress for a job interview? Nope! First thing to get emptied out is the Liquor Stores. Then it's flat screen TV's, Video Games, expensive athletic shoes,... you know... the basic necessities.

This same scene has been played out repeatedly since the 1960's. All it takes is some perceived injustice to get the same race hustlers to rush in and fire up the natives. Then there is burning, looting, shooting, and stealing. 53 people died in the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King beating. The supposed solution was much more brutal and and a greater injustice than the alleged cause. The result was a need for Police to see the need to become even more militarized. It can be a police shooting, or police brutality, or being sheltered in the Superdome after a hurricaine when the Democrats did not have the brains to evacuate the city that is the alleged trigger for acts that make monkeys at the zoo look downright civilized.

The resulting mess just makes more store owners and businessmen pull up stakes, and the whole area is poorer for it when all is said and done. I have had a lot of exposure to a lot of different people. Enough to wake up and realize that we are not all the same. Some of it is inbred, but much of it is cultural.

Socialist Libtards like you and King have done the most long term damage to blacks and the black family. I'm assuming you and King are white, so in the end, it's you and King who are the real bigots. You own this ed... Just as you own the decline of Detroit. Isn't it time you took ownership and stopped blaming others for your own stupidity?

whoo keith...struck a nerve did i?

Keith:
This is exactly why I have quit responding to idiots like this guy. He has nothing relevant to say so he does the predictable and attack you or anyone else on this forum who comes on here to post the truth and make some sense out of the idiocacy that's going on in places like Ferguson, MO.
What you currently have there now is a bunch of rabble rousers and shoplifters ,opportunists and race baiters like Jackson and Sharpton.
Now the occupant of the White house has sent Holder down there to find the truth?
Wait a minute: Isn't this the same Holder who has been held in contempt for lying to Congress? What a farce.
And the Libtards on here go right along with it!
You can't fix Libtard stupid and it's just a waste of time.
Jim

The president is handling this situation correctly. We just have to hold judgements until investigations are completed.

so, lets all rush to judgement, take sides, make some pop corn and see what happens next...

this is the best show on tv so far this summer...

Hmmm, this sounds nice. What exactly did the prez do, why he sent someone to investigate. The guy he sent to 'investigate' just said he's a proud activist. I sense you want the right wingers here to 'hold judgements', pending a foregone conclusion?

We do know we'll get the whole story from the 'investigations', right. Didn't bo's branch just withhold an ocare sec breach report from the ap. Just another of thousands of examples after he promised transparency and the US Sup Court has narrowed exec branch censorship.

I know I'm not being nice, but tell me where I'm wrong.

while he is out that way, maybe the investigator could stop by dayton and check out what happened here:

https://news.yahoo.com/dozens-seek-release-video-wal-mart-shooting-131515364.html

plus, he could run up to chicago and investigate why there are so many police shootings there...and elsewhere.

Nope. I'm pretty much immune to your inane commentary ed. Didn't I start my response with the words: "ed, your comments are pretty stupid... predictably."? Nothing you say here strikes a nerve with me anymore. I pretty much know that I am about to read something dumb when I see you or Jagermeister made a post. What strikes a nerve is when either of you say something intelligent. That happens so infrequently that it's always a shock.

Jim, I realized a long time ago that our resident Libtards don't use their brains before they post. I don't think most of them even approach average intelligence. They are only here to parrot Liberal Left Socialist Democrat dogma. The evidence of the abject failure of that system piles up around them and is plain to see, but they are in complete denial. They support it. They vote for it. They are ultimately responsible for the mess.

I thought it was very telling that the Obama administration protested the airing of the convenience store security video that showed the "nice young man Michael Brown" committing a strong arm robbery just minutes before he was confronted by the police officer. Too bad the store owner didn't have a gun to kill this cockroach before he met the police officer. Even the peaceful protesters have screwed up priorities for supporting this criminal. In all liklihood, had he lived, he would have just went on to victimize some of them as well. Indirectly, we're all victims of these types because we have to pay the enormous societal costs of their criminal lives including police, courts, incarceration, parole, increased prices, etc.

This is nothing more than a blatant attempt at hiding the truth about him, and it is no different than the Soviet style propaganda that was fed to the people there.

Jim, I continue to reply to idiots for the same reasons that you continue to post links and stories that illustrate the disgusting truth behind this corrupt regime. When people like you, and I, and Doug, craigd, J.R.B., Ken61, Dave K., etc. get so fed up that we decide to quit fighting, the Libtards like King, Jagermeister, SKB, OWD, ed, nca225, homer, etc., will win... and our children and grandchildren will lose and suffer.

[quote=keith
This is nothing more than a blatant attempt at hiding the truth about him, and it is no different than the Soviet style propaganda that was fed to the people there. [/quote]


That’s an everyday fact of life.

What do you make of the no fly zone over Ferguson? I can’t recall another instance where news choppers were prohibited from filming a riot.

Yeah Ryan, I saw that overt censorship as well. "The most transparent administration in history" is still doing all that it can to conceal the truth about this, and so many other scandals that would have brought down any other president. It takes a complicit Liberal media, and complicit Liberal Democrats in the House and Senate, and the complicit voters who put them all in office, to make it all possible.

You do realize Ryan, that noticing the truth and speaking up about it makes you a racist... I hope you can sleep at night!

I'd recommend that all of you read the article by Roger Simon in the link I attached to the thread "The Worse President" earlier today.
I think it points out as well as anything I've read in recent memory just what a mess the Libtards have made in this Country.

http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=375647#Post375647

In all the reports and coverage of the Ferguson Missouri vandalism and burning by the sagging-pants loot-n-scoot crowd has there been one instance of work boots or shoes or work gloves being stolen.

could all this race hoopla in missouri, be just a ploy by the dems to fire up their base, so they will go to the polls in november?

and, the looters may just be the catalist needed to wake up the great silent majority to vote in the mid terms, when they traditionally do not?

could be, that if one were to run as a law and order crusader in november, one could win an election?

don't run on jobs......

hits past time that all who dont live in ferguson, mo. should leave town...

let the people there heal and solve their problems. they really dont need us to make their problems worst...

an im sure glad i aint a black man livin in that place...

You know keith, because of his stupidity, I put ed on ignore for quite a while now. After reading this paragraph of yours he is officially off my ignore list.

You sure could have fooled me ed. You type like they talk.......idiot.

sho nuf...an dats da gospal trut...

course, yall is missin da point here...as yall are most likely to do...

maybe next time the local small town cops somewhere decide to pull out their new toys and play army, they will think twice about it?

an maybe their civil leaders will take their new army toys away from them, so they will not have the means to make a mess of things, again.

I can't understand why the citizens of Ferguson don’t like their cops. Observe this display of cordial professionalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU&feature=youtu.be

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...n-s-killer.html

It is difficult for Police and Law Enforcement to love their local out-of-control negro's when they throw bottles of URINE at them.....

It is also hard for the Police to add additional negro's as officers when most of the negro's around there already have felony records. Same problem in all the large cities, too much is already waived.....double standards for law enforcement should not be acceptable....same requirements for everyone.

At present, it is near impossible for Officer Darren Wilson to expect justice and a fair trial with all the negro bias, media bias, local b.s., lies and unfounded demands.... , all before any charges have been levied,.... these have entered this particular shooting investigation before ALL the evidence has been collected..... Blacks Nationally have already "charged, tried, convicted and sentenced" Officer Darren Wilson in their minds on double hearsay.

A change of venue will be difficult.

The movie clip from "Vacation" with Chevy Chase while in St. Louis looking for directions is NOT too far from the truth.

The "Great Society" at work.........!...........

We have a good idea what's impossible. I wonder if it's possible for holder to leave ferguson without a 'victory'.

The attorney general arrived in Ferguson, Missouri today........

ryan: well, ferguson shore aint mayberry...

and the picture of holder's arrival is priceless...well done gary.

an pa, you continue to degrade yourself, with your continued, bigoted, racist posts. hopefully, one day you will be in a spot where you need help and the only hand extended to you will be black...suggest you watch the movie about gump and bubba...then get back to us.

and your a lying COWARD Ed !

why are you still here ? No One would buy a gun from a crook like you and all your doing is help convince anyone who does a internet search Ed Good ( Ed1) is a A$$hole !

I wonder what ed good, or any of the libtards around here, would do in this situation, since this was NOT a "Hollywood twisted liberal fiction Movie", but a real world experience.....?......


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/mis...wn-says-source/

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

Wow, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here. I think a good number of the citizens of Ferguson have nothing real to protest about, if their protest concerns the shooting of Michael Brown.

At the same time I am appalled by the militarization of police forces across NA today, both in terms of the equipment and the tactics.

I view the developing police state mentality of both cops and other government officials with the same level of concern and disgust I view the social agitators of the willfully unemployed underclass.

As a liberal with more than a little experience of public confrontations with police, I'll wait for the official report and consider it with some degree of cynicism depending on the source, as always.

As for what I would do if I were the police officer, I'd act on a determination of my life being in danger or a likely outcome of another fatality adding to another international incident. I'd have got out of there.

In retrospect, my guess is the officer wishes he had, too. Brown was walking away, according to the source. The officer drew his gun and ordered him to freeze. He'll live with the consequences the rest of his life.

King, you may be right, the officer may think that. The problem is that in a society governed by rules and with men and women charged with enforcing those rules, it was his job to do something about the person who had just assaulted him (if that was the case).

Police officers are not in the business of letting criminals walk away. We ask them, in fact, to ensure that does not happen, by whatever lawful means they deem necessary at the time.

it appears now that brown assaulted officer wilson, beating him severely about the face...then he arrogantly just walked away, like he did when he stole from the store...

not a good idea to beat a man with a gun and then think you can just walk away because you are bigger than he is...

Police Officers are NOT TRAINED to RUN AWAY from felons or any individuals during the commission of a crime......but I guess in your liberal view of things our world would be a better place if ALL OF THE POLICE RAN AWAY AS YOU SUGGEST.....?

If you DO have any experience with law enforcement, your statement above surely demonstrates JUST THE OPPOSITE.

Your view if "you" were a police officer is quite warped King.... First off you "would never" have time to explore multiple liberal mental what if's in any "life or death" confrontation, you would be DEAD to fast.

what source King ????

The one that said he was shot in the back with his hands up ( and later changed his story-AFTER the autopsy !)

The one who now admits Brown went for Wilsons gun!!
( you try and be honest for just once and think about what your going do if some guy GOES FOR YOUR GUN ! (he isn't going to clean it for you-your going to DIE if he wins that fight)

Brown,turned around and bull rushed him ( just like he did in the store tape) and this is backed up by many witness's accounts,anyone who says they would have not tried to drop Brown in that situation is nuts. Life or death battle one wins one loses,if your Wilson thats your choice you or him.

I understand fully your point, Doug. In my view, there was a disproportionate use of force which culminated in a killing from what appears to be a defence of property (stealing cigars?) and disobeying a police officer.

Officers can't enforce the law by running away. Killing a miscreant in defence of property is a no-no in Canada. A Toronto shopkeeper who shot a thief running from his store a few years ago was a national story.

It's not so much as not having experience with enforcement, Doug, as of a different culture. Life is valued more highly than a cigar or TV set. Officers even removing their sidearms on duty is an automatic inquiry.

and what about someone going for their gun ???

ANY cop, ANYWERE is not going to let you go for his gun,beat him up and then charge him again and not shoot,any cop that wants to live that is

"

what source King ????

The one that said he was shot in the back with his hands up ( and later changed his story-AFTER the autopsy !)

The one who now admits Brown went for Wilsons gun!!
( you try and be honest for just once and think about what your going do if some guy GOES FOR YOUR GUN ! (he isn't going to clean it for you-your going to DIE if he wins that fight)

Brown,turned around and bull rushed him ( just like he did in the store tape) and this is backed up by many witness's accounts,anyone who says they would have not tried to drop Brown in that situation is nuts. Life or death battle one wins one loses,if your Wilson thats your choice you or him.

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

A lot of those cops in Canada apparently are just not good shots !


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/city-police-rcmp-missing-the-mark-268224542.html

A Free Press analysis shows there have been at least 23 incidents since 2007 in which Winnipeg police and Manitoba RCMP officers have pulled the trigger in the course of their duties.

Yet only 15 cases ended with someone actually being shot. And only six of those people suffered fatal injuries.

That may seem like a surprising result considering police are trained to shoot for the so-called "centre of mass." You'd think with that amount of gunfire being aimed towards the heart, the body count would be a lot higher.

So why is that? Are police in Manitoba ignoring their own policies and shooting at the extremities? Or are they following procedure but just lousy shots?

"To instantly kill someone you'd have to shoot them in the head. But police aren't trained to do that," he said.

And so the centre of the body it is, where there is the greatest chance of cutting the suspect down to size.

Retired Winnipeg police officer James Jewell said where the shot ultimately ends up can be impacted by numerous factors including movement, adrenaline, distance, stress and time.

"Officer-involved shootings are dynamic, high-stress incidents that often occur in a matter of mere seconds," said Jewell. "While it's true many suspects have been shot in the shoulder, arm, thigh and buttocks, I can assure you these areas were not the intended targets."


Police-involved shootings in the past seven years

The 15 police-involved shootings in Manitoba since 2007 where a suspect was hit. This list does not include eight other cases in that same time span, all in Winnipeg, where shots were fired by police at a suspect or vehicle but nobody was hit.

JULY 2014: Evan Cromarty, 20, shot and wounded by RCMP in Norway House. Police were trying to arrest him on new criminal charges. Witnesses say he was unarmed and that as many as four shots were fired. He suffered a bullet wound to the shoulder. Alberta police have been brought in to investigate.

MAY 2014: Andrew Lebrun, 21, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police. He was accused of robbing a Domo -- where his own brother was working -- and then lunging towards police with a knife. A witness believes three shots were fired. He suffered a bullet wound to the upper arm.

NOVEMBER 2011: Steven Peters, 28, shot and wounded by RCMP on Long Plain First Nation. Police were responding to a call about multiple assaults on the reserve. Peters confronted police while armed with a baseball bat. He suffered a bullet wound to the stomach. Regina police were brought in to investigate.

JULY 2011: John Charlette, 27, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police in a North End alley. He was accused of robbing a cab driver and threatening both him and responding police with a knife. He suffered a bullet wound to an undisclosed location. His lawyer later told court Charlette was attempting "suicide by cop."

MARCH 2011: Paul Duck, 52, shot and killed by RCMP in God's Lake First Nation. Duck confronted police while armed with a shotgun. He was struck twice and died instantly. Saskatoon police were brought in to investigate.

NOVEMBER 2010: A 14-year-old boy shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Portage Avenue. The teen was behind the wheel of a vehicle which led police on a high-speed mid-day chase and veered towards officers. The teen suffered a bullet wound to an undisclosed location.

JULY 2010: Geoffrey Reid, 23, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Alexander Avenue. Reid threatened police with a gun following a traffic stop. He was struck once in the lower body.

MAY 2010: Lance Muir, 42, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Langside Street. The former biker with a notorious criminal past had broken into a home, then led police on a dangerous high-speed chase in a stolen car. Witnesses say he was armed with a crowbar and had veered his car towards officers.

MARCH 2010: Eric Daniels, 28, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Sargent Avenue. The known gang member confronted police with a machete and refused to drop the weapon when they responded to a disturbance call. Three shots were fired, and one struck and killed him.

JULY 2009: Derek Richard, 27, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Mountain Avenue. Police were executing a drug search warrant when they were confronted by Richard. Police never disclosed if he was armed with a weapon. He was struck with at least two bullets in the stomach.

FEBRUARY 2009: Matthew Prince, 24, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Ashburn Street. Police were responding to the stabbing of a woman when they were confronted by the man who was armed with a pair of butcher knives. He suffered two bullet wounds to the arm and thigh.

AUGUST 2008: Craig McDougall, 26, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Simcoe Street. He confronted police with what they believed was a knife -- but witnesses claim was a cellphone -- when they responded to a disturbance call. He was Tasered and then shot four times. An inquest into his death is pending.

DECEMBER 2007: Roy Bell, 44, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Langside Street. Bell confronted police while armed with an airsoft pellet gun and had a history of mental illness, which led to his discharge from the Canadian Forces.

JULY 2007: Kristofer Fournier, 23, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police in River Heights. Fournier, a known drug dealer, had led police on a high-speed chase. He was unarmed. He suffered a bullet wound to the buttocks. Two police officers involved in the shooting were charged criminally but later acquitted by a jury.

MARCH 2007: Ahmed Saleh-Azad, 61, shot and killed by Winnipeg police responding to a call for help inside Madison Memorial Lodge on Evanson Street. He had just stabbed a man to death and refused police demands to drop his weapon as he hovered over the victim's body.

I was referring to the source quoted in a story (fox news?) posted by a member.

I prefaced my post with willing to wait for the official report because it's mostly speculation and gossip otherwise.

I was talking to a Mountie last week, pointed at his pistol and asked if he was a good shot.

"We get one day a year on the range to qualify," he said.

"That's not enough," I said.

"It isn't. But that's the budget."

King,

Again you are missing the point. There are always two sides to every story, surely you know that. Nothing is cast in concrete until all the evidence is collected, tested, reviewed and then categorized.

But in the meantime, "arm chair quarterbacks and media", can accuse and finger point as much as they like while attempting to DEMAND AND INFLUENCE CRITICAL DECISIONS made by law enforcement and the justice system, just as you have done citing that this case is somehow related to or about A BOX OF CIGARS THAT WERE STOLEN BY FORCE. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Officer Darren Wilson used deadly force because he determined, in a split second, that deadly force was required after having been "feloniously attacked" by the suspect. The cigar theft/robbery HAD NOTHING to do with anything in this life and death confrontation, here is where you are sadly confused....The strong armed robbery only further enforces the lack of character of the deceased felon.

All the evidence will be studied over and over and the entire truth will come out resulting most likely in Officer Darren Wilson's exoneration, as it should for justifiable homicide.

This will take place no matter how hard the blacks demand and try to twist the chain of events.

Only gossip I heard so far is from the fellow shoplifter and the race baiters like Sharpton(of Twana Brawley "fame"),Jackson (were was he again when MLK was shot ? On the porch next to him-oh no he was under a car hiding and ran up on the porch for photo),and oh yea from YOU King !

Once again the facts are CLEAR
he beat up Wilson
Brown tried to take Wilsons gun !!!!!
and he TURNED and bum rushed him.

Just for reference, I have highlighted the shootings that likely involve natives, either because they occurred on a reservation or because of where they occurred in Winnipeg. Most of the streets referenced I know well. They are part of the downtown slums of Winnipeg, that I watched deteriorate over the last 30 years as an influx of unemployed Natives were brought into the city by the government for one reason or another from their reservations and who then never went home again. I do so to illustrate that while Canada does not have the systemic difficulty of a black underclass, we do, especially in Northern Ontario and the Prairies provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, have a native underclass. And its becoming a VERY big problem.

The 14 year old boy was likely native as car jacking and theft is a common pastime for young native gang members. The shootings not highlighted just don't provide enough info.

Winnipeg is typically in the top three cities in Canada for murders, violent crime and car theft. It's a city of 750,000 people. Native gangs operate openly and with a fair degree of impunity, utilizing Canada's young offenders laws to emasculate any attempt at serious law enforcement. Remove the 90,000 natives and it's quite safe and peaceful.

Dave, American police are just as bad shots. Check out the video of the cop in New York, spraying the crowd with bullets last year and hitting everything but his target, who was just a few feet away.

King, what you leave out is that public opinion was solidly on the side of the shopkeeper in that and several other high profile similar "national story" cases in Toronto and in Winnipeg over the last 5 or 6 years. Our courts and legal system is solidly out of step with public opinion in this area.

Yes, the Asian shopkeeper had been robbed repeatedly and took the law into his hands, which I believe is a criminal offence. Public opinion was in his favour. If you are I used deadly force against a thief, robber or burglar---depending on night or day or theft with violence---we'd be charged and likely convicted. I don't think public opinion would be in favour of killing a person carting off a possession---"inappropriate force."

More likely the cop’s lizard brain was in control.

The cop got his ass kicked. He responded, just as one would expect, by killing Brown.

If the cop shot Brown after the fight was over, then the cop is in deep shit. If the cop shot Brown during the fight, he has less to worry about.

Bottom Line:
Everyone including Obama should shut the hell up until the official investigation(s) are completed.
The OVER coverage of this story on all the media including FOX News has been as bizarre as it gets. I wonder how many "protestors" there would be in Ferguson if all the media was kicked the hell out.
We've got some very serious problems to deal with currenty such as the Mid East Situation, The Ukraine and the major problems at out Southern border and the media is spending their time speculating on this!
Jim

jim: right on! glad we can agree, now and then...ed

+1

Seems to me this is a very serious problem for the country. Much more significant than which dumbfuckistan shithole we settle on bombing next week.

I don’t much care how a thug came to be a corpse but, what came after has me clutching a barf bucket. All is not well in America.

I can’t understand why the conservative crowd isn’t bothered by this. What happens to blacks materializes in whites 20 years later.

More then likely you have NO clue what happened and for some reason-white guilt probably, you want to blame Wilson and have something against cops,when all the evidence points the other way to the perp Brown.

Here this might help your white guilt Ryan,listen to this man,he knows whats wrong with black people and how to fix it !

Here's our Liberal Leftist saying in one breath that he'll wait for the official report, and then, a couple sentences later, he's saying that Brown was walking away, and that the officer should have just "got out of there."

Somehow, the officers bullets must have acted like a boomerang, because all of the entry wounds were in Browns front except for the shot in the top of his head... which could have come from a head butting position, or as he was collapsing forward. The bones around the officers eye socket were shattered from the initial attack. I'd say he did a pretty good job of stopping a further attack considering his injuries. A lot of people would have been unconscious or very dazed at that point. The idiots who think he should have only fired a warning shot, or shot to merely wound, aren't even considering this whole thing transpired in a few seconds, and both parties were fueled by adrenalin at that point. There likely wasn't time for the officer to consider the results creating an international incident as our ever brilliant Canadian Libtard surmises.

Evidence be damned, the race hustlers won't be happy with anything less than an indictment and conviction of the officer. If past history is any indicator, neither will King. The poor black man can do no wrong in his eyes. There is always some excuse.

I've mentioned Dillon Taylor in Utah, white guy shot dead by a black cop just a few days before ferguson. Just his family and a few friends are barfing about it. Didn't seem like the white guy was all that bad and the cop didn't end up with a fractured eye socket.

Ya think in twenty years white cops can shoot black kids under the radar. I think you were barfing because pc said to barf. We should say, I'm not going to knee jerk barf, rather than say sure, how much barf.

ryan: all americans should be bothered by this...what to do about it has been a conumdrum since january 1, 1863...

David Horowitz, Bill Whittle, Mark Stein.

Glad to see a few public commentators can speak the truth.

I thought I was giving the cop the benefit of the doubt.

My no holds barred assessment: It’s foolish to automatically buy that the cops orbital was broken by the thug. It’s just as likely one of his cop buddies punched him after the fact. If you’ve killed an unarmed black man, it helps to be injured. Cops aren’t stupid.

If you get the upper hand on a cop, he will always shoot.

If the thug did break his orbital, the thug would have been wise to beat him unconscious. Thugs are not wise.

What makes you think he was unarmed. Six plus feet and near three hundred pounds, his fists can produce lethal force and he can create the strong suspicion that the life on the receiving end is in danger.

figure the trial will start next may, so there will be max tv ratings during the off season...trial will mostly likely end just before the world series.

lotta tv advertising bucks at stake here. could be bigger than the oj and zimmermann trials combined?

And of course,the white guilt types-trying,in their mind, to make up living in and sending their kids to Lilly white schools/neighborhoods leave out the fact that Brown,who by their accounts strangely just committed the first crime of his life and attacked a much smaller store clerk 11 minutes before ,went for Wilsons gun !!! when he attacked the cop.A life or death struggle and then came back at him-in a bull rush once again.

Just some facts.......49% of black males are arrested by the time they are 23 as per the F.B.I......some factual trivia for ed good and King Brown and Ryan F and all the other liberals who have their head where the sun doesn't shine......., or other dreamers like ed good who believe Forrest Gump was the real deal.......LOL....

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/01/08/study-49-of-black-men-are-arrested-by-age-23/

Is it possible to organize a "LIBERAL ONLY MIDNIGHT WALK-ABOUT on the East side of St. Louis, or the South side of Chicago or South Los Angeles" or how about "Detroit", it's nice this time of year in the late evening........?.......Any libtard takers.....?.....

oh no Doug, not facts, they can't deal with facts !

Ryan's statements about this almost make sense... until you actually use your brain... which he certainly has not done here.

Let's see: We have a video that the Obama administration wished to suppress that shows Michael Brown engaged in a strong arm robbery of a convenience store minutes before his violent confrontation with the Cop. You'd think from Ryan's idiotic statements that it was the other way around and that we had evidence that the Cop robbed a Doughnut Shop by brute force. Ryan sees this and immediately concludes that it is the Cop who has the "Lizard Brain".

I wonder how Ryan would have responded to a violent attack by someone much larger and stronger, i.e., Ryan getting "his ass kicked"?... besides crying for his Mommy.

Then he asks why the Conservative crowd isn't bothered by this. But we are. Universally. We talk about this jungle behavior all the time that has come about largely due to the destruction of the Black Family structure by the policies of the Great Society.

Ryan then makes the brilliant observation that "what happens to blacks materializes in whites 20 years later."
So I guess he is saying that these uncivilized thugs are more advanced on the evolutionary tree, and that we are all devolving into into criminals and apes. Ryan sees all of this... and the resulting rioting, looting, burning, etc. and comes to the conclusion that the Cops essentially planted false evidence by breaking Officer Wilson's eye socket and beating him, and I suppose planting Michael Browns fingerprint on his gun as proof that he was trying to take it from the officer.

Saddest part of all of this is that people with Ryan's mental prowess, or lack thereof, get to vote. That's how we end up with the disaster we have running the White House now.

Cop apologist logic: To doubt the police are totally trustworthy, or note they are a fraternal organization who protect their own, is to jump to conclusions. Jumping to conclusions that favor the police proves you are a good American.

CNN is now reporting the cop’s eye socket wasn’t damaged. I don’t believe anything other than a cop shot a very fat thug.

I didn’t comment on race. I didn’t make any apologies for black criminality, race baiting, or looting. I don’t really care about the shooting event. It’s the authoritarian police response I don’t like. Free people are not policed by paramilitary cops. I’m not supporting cops if they are going to become this.

Obviously I’m a libtard Obama lover suffering from white guilt. A good beating and ass rapping in a Detroit ghetto ought to help me see the light.

A few of you revel in calling out liberal BS. Fine. The problem is that’s all you interested in seeing. There’s always a libtard in your soup.

ryan: what you are experiencing is the rath of child like posters here, who are quick to attack you personally for expressing views that may be different from theirs...but then notice, none of these attack dogs reveal their identities here...wonder why?

I don't believe anyone said the police were above the law. Kinda strange though, you judge the police in the court of cnn. Ever wonder why this type of topic flushes you out of the woodwork. Maybe, it's because the likes of cnn told you to get worked up about it.

But hey, someone's opening up a civil rights investigation. Does that sound like it'll get to the truth, or maybe something that belongs on a fishing forum.

It would seem the blacks are a fraternal organization as well, and one that responds to these infrequent events in a very predictable manner which almost always ignores the rule of law, due process, and the Constitutional presumption of innocence until proven guilty. In other words, a criminal mob mentality that frequently turns very ugly. I guess you, Ryan, ed, Jagermeister, and King, think an appropriate response would be kind words and a tennis racquet, when we are dealing with what is essentially an insurgency in our cities.

Eric Holder spoke today of the mistrust many blacks have for police, but he never acknowledges that the reverse could be true when cops become accustomed to seeing such a high percentage of one coddled minority engaged in violent criminal behavior. They have embraced the gansta' culture and then act surprised and shocked that people and the police react accordingly. I'd bet police would not feel compelled to arm themselves with riot gear and armored vehicles if they were only dealing with jaywalkers. I think they excercised too much restraint in this mass rioting, vigilantism and self enrichment via theft. And when you act like a Libtard idiotic, you shouldn't be surprised that someone here takes notice. Politically correct isn't my cup of tea.

Doug, your fact of criminality in the black population is indisputable. Members of your persuasion, however, do not acknowledge that blacks have had desperate problems which white Americans have not had to face.

The United States has been good to you because it has allowed you to be a human being first and only secondly something else---a citizen, a consummate craftsman, respected in your community.

For centuries until some 50 years ago, blacks couldn't be first of all a human being. They were America's beasts of burden, denied every element of citizenship despite pious constitutional guarantees.

Only soul-wrenching struggles and sacrifices of black and white liberals lifted blacks out of feudalism, from legal repression to legal equality. Comment here and Ferguson validates the serious dimensions of the racial divide.

On all evenings, Americans live with that curse. Some may call it a divine vengeance for egregious Christian behaviour. What's happening on the mean streets of America is a consequence of that earlier sin.

Laws modify behaviour but their purposes can only be achieved when they penetrate our hearts.

Doug, apparently King Brown hasn't noticed that virtually all of the rioters in Ferguson weren't even born when the great sins he speaks of took place. How long does he suppose that Americans must do pennance for acts that they did not commit? How long does he think that a majority of black males are justified in engaging in criminal behavior? Why do we not see the same numbers of black females robbing, shooting, looting, and repeatedly incarcerated? Why aren't American Indians acting like animals?

King cannot and will not answer those questions. What King will do is to make excuses for uncivilized and criminal behavior. My great-great grandfather never owned slaves. My grandfather never belonged to the Klan or owned a segregated business in the deep south. Life was tough for a hell of a lot of different people who immigrated here. King and other libtards perpetuate this culture of victimhood by continuing to make lame excuses. And they are just as immoral as any slave owner for expecting us to pay for the sins others committed before the so-called victims were even born. But the big fraud King Brown fully realizes that permitting these victims to realize their potential as humans would open their eyes to the filthy lies of Socialism.

King, your guilt comparison between the U.S. negro slave immigrants of the 18th and 19th centuries and today's post "Great Society" free negro's who fill our prisons coast to coast has no cause based relevence 150 years after the fact.

Legal Immigrants have fled to the U.S. by the millions from almost every country in the world, people of every color. These LEGAL immigrants learned to speak English, work and achieve the American Dream without filling our prisons in majority numbers, and without consuming our welfare rolls or the law enforcement capabilities of our cities.

Liberals have stymied and destroyed negro behavior and the family unit, especially since the "Great Society" turning several negro generations into dependent illiterites living in squalor and crime ridden ghetto's, created, built and maintained by liberals.

Some negro's break free from this liberal bondage and move to the next level through education, only to fall back and support the mentality of victimhood during any and all negro uprisings and "soul-wrenching struggles".....And yes King, there are exceptions of course....

Accepting responsibility for wrong doing while having a "soul-wrenching struggle" is never an option within this race of humans for some reason. This negro scenario plays itself out over and over in other countries around the world as well, not just the U.S.A..... Facts are facts King if you want to talk about "history".....

Somehow the culture and moral fiber of this race needs serious attention without liberal interference. Negro's need to point the finger at themselves far more often than they do and modify their majority adolescent behavior for their own long term well being.

legal slavery ended in this country in 1865...

after that, wage slavery in various forms and degrees was practiced all over this country until the rise of the labor union movement around the turn of the century.

it is now 2014. anyone who uses the circumstances of their ancestors as an excuse for their own failings is delusional.

ones race or ethnic heritage can be an impedment to one reaching ones goals, if one allows it to be so.

being black limits some, who do not have the guts and talent to overcome this handicap.

look no further than clarence thomas, conde rice, ben carson, allen west, a host of performers and of course barock obama, to name a few...

Not good news for the libtard's who are backing a weak defense of Brown,the key witness,not surprisingly,has changed his story again !

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/rep...to-take-his-gun


Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun.

http://www.abc17news.com/news/key-witness-in-ferguson-wanted-in-jefferson-city/27624066

Key witness in Ferguson wanted in Jefferson City


The warrant is for stealing and dates back to June 2011.

ABC 17 News looked into Johnson's past and found out he has also been charged with filing a false police report in the same year.

After cross referencing several records, ABC 17 News found the warrant, which is for Dorian Jordan Johnson, is actually the same person as Dorian Jarvis Johnson.

The signs of easing tensions came as a family friend of the officer who fatally shot Brown came forward to offer a version of the incident with new details, saying that the officer suffered a fracture to his eye socket in a scuffle with the unarmed teenager before opening fire.

Hospital X-rays of the injury have been taken and will be shared with a grand jury that is weighing evidence to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting, said the friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of fear of threats. The friend has been in contact with Wilson’s family members.

In his account to close confidants, Wilson has repeatedly said he thought Brown was acting erratically when they had an altercation on a street in a garden apartment complex in Ferguson. He said that Brown was coming at him when he fired the fatal shots.

“Darren was adamant that he believed Michael Brown had some drugs in his system,” the friend said.

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/8141/officer-wils...KHXiA73xIdsl.99

No way they will convict,in fact I think it will be very hard to even indite-unless of course Holder has his "thumb on the scale"

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Doug. Racism has deep historical roots wherever it exists. Canada's with indigenous peoples is abysmal. Our prime minister said yesterday the murder of a 15-year-old girl shouldn't be seen as a "social phenomenon" and refused to order a federal inquiry of the 1,000 other murdered and missing aboriginal women. It's a national shame as black accommodation to civil society is yours.

Although guilt is always with us for our abusive neglect, my point is that blacks at the point of federal bayonets barely got their foot in the door to opportunities 50 years ago. They were considered subhuman and treated as such. Not to be disrespectful, I think of the analogy of older citizens looking upon the younger today as slack in observing the verities of work and responsibilities, "children bringing up children."

Ed's examples had a head start with educations, as did Obama. Most black Americans are offspring of downtrodden survivors or remember "this half-forgotten history of a system that bartered dignity for dollars, a painful reminder of the capacity to remain complacent in the midst of injustice," as MLK wrote in Why We Can't Wait and shook the nation to its foundations. No US group has made as much social and political progress over a generation.

Racism remains. Extremists will always be with us.

While seeming civil, doesn't 'members of your persuasion' sound a bit racist. Are we using words that unite and overcome, or settling into the comfort of the tactics of our ideology.

Seems about fifty years ago we turned a corner. In 1961, MLK, remember him, said blacks accounted for about ten percent of the population in the St Louis area but committed some 58% of the crime. Why is progress inevitable, but excused for libs when pc topics come up at wine tastings. Your glorious protest struggles in ferguson required out of state hired help. You suppose the GOOD folks of ferguson would appreciate life in a crime free zone rather than a white free zone. Anyone ever just ask them.

If we've learned anything from recent events, it may be that laws are for the delusional right. Possibly you meant 'regulations modify behavior because they penetrate liberties'. I think there's a good book out on the topic.

To quote RyanF, 'I'm gonna barf'. Naw, I'll be fine.

The current crop of kids, and our cream of the crop elitist prep school prez, are products of the ideological changes to our education system. No, not just training folks to grow up as libs, but forcing them to underachieve in all areas during formative years. Disclaimer, race neutral.

If you'd run the numbers, parents of these young folks were not downtrodden. They were molded by the pro oral sex campaigner bill, and his 'health' sec's master debating school programs. It could be argued that 'investment' in smart phone tech back in the day could have blasted our moral compass back into the stone ages much sooner.

There's nothing racist in Doug having a different opinion from mine. For all I know, it could be the same, depending on the context, which varied.

The only corner turned after the murders, cities burning was enforcement of constitution allowing blacks to enter society as citizens.

Overall, the result has been satisfactory if not miraculous in a white majority preferring a black for its president.

On your point of laws for the delusional right, again your notion depends on what "liberties" are being penetrated--abortion, capital punishment, cc etc.

My guess is the people of Ferguson want what everyone wants everywhere: peace, work, to raise a family, regardless of colour and creed.

Ding, ding, ding, common ground. Could the same opinion possibly matter if 'members of your persuasion' was fundamentally changed to 'members for social justice'. That's why I was wondering if the words chosen are a tactic, with the true message being something other than civil discussion. Can you say to a black person, 'folks of your persuasion shouldn't loot'.

You're reading too much in "members of your persuasion." It's the same to me as a reference to one group preferring Foxes to Parkers. Jim and Dave prefer conservatives to liberals. There's no tactic to it. Plain talk. I distinguish differences in my conservative and liberal friends as preferences for how they want to be governed; all have common frailties. Doug, Jim and Dave have also been around long enough to know one size doesn't fit all.

Wrong, wrong and wrong!!!

Guilt is not with me.

I have hired natives. I have hunted with natives. I have treated natives as I would anyone I come across in my life. With a reasonable amount of courtesy until events suggest I should behave differently. In the city, on reservations and everywhere I have been in Canada and the US.

I'm not a believer in Original Sin and I don't believe in assuming guilt for actions and behaviors that weren't and aren't mine.

I agree King, too much is read into some things. Just the same, near all these topics are about tactics and the lack of plain talk. I like my example better and I'm saddened that you brush it off. It is okay to play off Parker vs. Fox folks, little doubt they can be stereotyped as old white guys. Other than folding the tent and going into retreat mode, how would you disarm the anti American dream race baiters when you seem to feel that joe average only wants to live in peace and harmony.

"Ding, ding, ding,..."

I say, old chap. Given your penchant for low cost brazilians and rather efeminate language, I do pray you are a fine shot.


http://youtu.be/NNDPzpreaow



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If I brushed you off, it wasn't my intention, Craig. What would be the point? The part of your message I didn't answer was about your musing of an ask to a black to not loot. It's moot, isn't it? Blacks are principal looters in black communities as whites are in mostly white communities from my experience.

As for disarming race-baiters, when a person makes a racist joke in my presence, I say "Craig, that's a racist joke." In my family, among friends, in public, it doesn't matter. Naming things changes things, forcing us to come to grips with it. I call racist remarks whenever I hear them. It's all we can do.

Naming things is critically important. We read and hear references to ISIS as insurgents, militants, Islamic freedom fighters when we should be downgrading them in public consciousness as pure evil, idiots and nutters. The US may get international support to wipe them out when we do.

The West's tolerance of evil and corruption knows no bounds. IS is pure evil. The US could stamp it out in a day as a searing example to extremists. It can’t happen without allied consensus. UK and Europe were saved from pure evil by the colonials and communists 70 years ago. Where’s their Churchill now?

Where are the right words to rally the civilized world?

I don't know about civilized, but how would you tuck tail and run. I think lonesome just asked me out on a date. How about this, no thank you lr why don't you stick to your own persuasion.

You wouldn't take polarization that far, surely. A date's a date, and Lonesome sounds willing!

Why do black people vote for Democrat's ?

For the same reasons as others do, Dave. It's amusing how so many Misfires accentuate stereotypes while the country wants, prays, strives to get past its history into a "post-racial society." Anything that keeps racism alive plays into the hands of the Democrats.

I've read one on misfires that consistently praises this presidency for the single reason that we've come so far in the last fifty years. No other qualification, just race. When policy achievement comes up, the only thing mentioned is pulling the US out of foreign military actions. What's the politics behind telegraphing military surveillance flights of a jv team over syria.

If this admin represents and leads the people, holder hasn't said that he 'wants or strives' to get past racism, and the muslim call to 'prayer', while such a beautiful sound, hasn't caught on. All questionable policy, which you don't defend, is brushed of as racist attacks by holder.

And thats why the Dems have been the party of racism and want to push so hard for dividing the country now !
The Dems are just keeping them on "their" plantation


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/...rty-plantation/


GOP Rep. Allen West believes that the Democratic Party is akin to a modern-day “plantation.”

In an interview on Wednesday night’s “O’Reilly Factor,” he told guest host Laura Ingraham that he is the “modern-day Harriet Tubman” and that he wants to lead fellow African Americans away from the the “21st century plantation.”

West made extremely bold statements throughout the interview, apparently undeterred by any negative response he might receive from the Democratic Party or from fellow African Americans. Commenting on anger that was seen at a Congressional Black Caucus (of which West is the only GOP member) town hall meeting in Detroit this week, he said:

“The people on that plantation are upset because they’ve been disregarded, disrespected and their concerns are not cared about…I’m here as the modern-day Harriet Tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility.”

It's not racism but commending good when we see it to mention positively legislative changes for greater equality and choice of Obama as expressions of the will of the American people.

I also recognize that the American desire and need to get the past its history may have contributed as much as "hope and change" to electing him. "There, we've done it, it's over, let's hear no more of it."

Misfires often reflects the get-past-the-guilt and victimhood of the racial divide. Laws modify behaviour but strong emotions and interaction between blacks and police still capture international attention.

Policy achievements have been significant. Cutting military adventures from the US playbook validating the US public wish to get out of there and bring our soldiers home is only part of it. He ran on and introduced universal healthcare.

More importantly kept US powder dry by cautiously not making things worse overseas: forced Iraq to face its sectarian divide, secured the Kurds, now talking to Iran after bringing it out of the cold, and ended US regional image as Public Enemy No. 1.

For the first time, the US is confronted by the best possible enemy: the unwanted-by-anyone barbaric Islamic State, opposed and resented by subjected populations who won't turn back the clock a thousand years.

Obama now is saying to allies: Listen this mess is not of my making. Get your act together and we can take the barbarians out, providing world leadership but no longer dummy paying whole price in lives and treasure.

Makes sense to me.

"Certainly, no recent president has failed on so many fronts — honesty, transparency, truthfulness, the economy, foreign policy, the duties of the commander-in-chief, executive responsibilities, and spiritual leadership"
From:
"The Madness of 2008"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386218/madness-2008-victor-davis-hanson


We are now shocked at the current spate of alphabetic scandals — IRS, AP, NSA, VA. But why are we surprised, given that Obama never told the truth about his relationships with the old terrorist Bill Ayers and former PLO ad hoc spokesman Rashid Khalidi, or about the creepy land deal with the crook Tony Rezko? If the Obama White House demonized the Tea Party as tea-baggers, or compared the Republican House opposition to terrorists and arsonists, why should we be astonished, given how he was elected to the U.S. Senate? Quite mysteriously, his primary opponent, Blair Hull, and his general-election opponent, Jack Ryan, both of whom were favored to win, had their confidential divorce records leaked. Their campaigns subsequently imploded.

Obama certainly did not campaign on a new health-care plan that would force Americans to give up the doctors they liked and their existing coverage, while raising premiums and deductibles, while giving exemptions for insiders and cronies, and while raising the deficit.


Nor did we hear on the campaign trail that Obama would push gay marriage, open borders, near-permanent zero interest rates, six consecutive $1 trillion deficits, and record food-stamp and Social Security disability payouts. He criticized Bush for relatively minor executive orders, suggesting that he would never rule by fiat — as he since has done in matters of Obamacare, immigration law, and environmental regulations. Remember the promise of ending the revolving door and stopping aides from cashing in — and then follow the post-administration careers of Obama’s closest advisers.

Obama promised to halve the deficit — not run up more red ink than almost all prior presidents combined. Indeed, he once as a senator voted against raising the debt limit and blasted Bush for borrowing from China.

Critics are angry that Obama seems disengaged, or that as a man of the people he is inordinately obsessed with golf, a sport that the Left used to despise as a fixation of the rich in their lime-green pants and bright pink polo shirts. But again, can we point to any landmark legislation that Obama accomplished as a state legislator or U.S. senator? Was not Obama golfing during the 2008 campaign?

Then there is the matter of the presidential untruths. The problem is not just that Barack Obama says things that are untrue but that he lies about what Barack Obama has said. He brags that he set red lines, but then he says it was the U.N. had set red lines. He boasts of pulling out every U.S. soldier from Iraq but then alleges that President Bush, the Iraqis, or Maliki did that. He claims that ISIS are Jayvees but then claims they are serious. But his prevarication too is habitual and was known in 2008 when it was discovered that he had simply misled the nation about his relationships with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers. He had no desire, in the transparent manner of John Kerry, Al Gore, John McCain, or George W. Bush, to release his medical records or college transcripts. If Americans find their president ill-informed, there was no record that he was informed in 2008. His gaffes were far more frequent than those of Sarah Palin, who knew there were 50 states.

Geez Dave, that article pretty much counters almost everything the dillusional King Brown has said.

It did miss the fact that interactions between blacks and the police merely reflect the fact that so many young black males are engaged in criminal behavior... do the crime... do the time. Obey the law and the law, and lawmen will respect you.

And you have already reminded the dillusional King Brown on many occassions that this "Universal Healthcare" is far from universal in that there are still over 35 million uninsured and most who have moved to ObamaCare were forced to do so when their employers terminated their existing plans. And those pesky costs have continued to increase... making the poor even poorer, and hurting many who were on the edge of poor.

The fact that King can look at the mess that Obama has made worse in the Middle East, and claim a victory... well, only a pathological liar could say that with a straight face. The collapse of Iraq, along with the total loss of all that blood and treasure, and the re-emergence of Islamic militants... that was all predicted by the Pentagon and common folks alike.

Repeating the same lies and dillusional thinking over and over won't cut it King. We're all on to you.

There. I said it again. But I'll bet the liar will be back repeating the same old bullshit within 48 hours.

Dave:
Unfortunately IMO you're wasting your time pointing the truth out to a Libtard.
It's the same with the racists in Mo. First they want to convict that officer and hang him then figure out if he really was at fault.
Holder's there on site? Of course this isn't racist! B.S.
Obama had 3 of his flunkie's attend the alleged robbers funeral. He sent NO ONE to Margaret Thatcher's funeral.
The Libtard Commincrats have done more in the last 5 years to inflame racism then the Ku Klux Klan ever was able to accomplish.
Jim

'Positive legislative changes', I thought the book says the US is broken and there's no legislating anymore. Or, did you mean bo and reid decide over lunch that all legislation coming out of the house, dies on reid's desk and bo blames the R's.

Seems to me, many misfire issues are about policy not plays on guilt. Regulations modify behavior, laws are for breaking and selective ideological enforcement.

Hmmm, the perfect enemy and the coalition builder. Now the people have the stomach for more war. I suppose we'll see about both points. Last week the arab emerates had military incursions into libya, not a peep. This week syria says to the US, you better not even think about it unless you get our permission.

Maybe all the press about syrian surveillance is just to test which way the wind is blowing with our 'friends' and public opinion. Yup, the measured authoritative leader defusing hot spots. Why are there new cautions coming out about isis related home grown terror risks.

The c-in-chief might have also took a bit of time out for his fallen two star General Greene. He is spending Friday on the fund raiser trail though.

Dave, is this the same National Review that praised Buckley's history of an all-powerful presidency and regulatory state unintended by the founding fathers, which you and other tea partiers deny and call liberal lies?

"The best recent description of [the modern presidency]… A very important contribution."
—National Review

Oh, see Dave... The Burger King is again trying to twist the truth. No one said or denied that there is a problem with the regulatory state or abuse of presidential powers. What we have said is that it is Liberal Left Democrats who are the biggest abusers. It is Liberal Left Democrats like Obama who have used Executive Orders and Regulatory Agencies like the EPA to accomplish that which they could never get past Congress.

We are not saying that what Buckley has written is "liberal lies" King. We are saying that the LULLING conclusions you are attempting to spread here are LIBERAL LIES. What else would we expect from a compulsive and pathological Liberal Liar like you?

King will keep sticking his reviews of his precious book by Buckley in our faces, but he will never agree with the conclusions from the self-same National Review which you quoted above Dave. How can you debate a liar? You simply can't. All you can do is keep exposing his lies.

Lies + Hypocrisy = Liberal Rocket Fuel

from the same article

"On little evidence, Christopher Buckley assured us that Obama possessed “a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect.” For some, proof of Obama’s godhead became almost physical — a “perfectly creased pant” for David Brooks, a tingling leg for Chris Matthews"

Given that there was no evidence from Obama’s legislative career to justify such superlatives, we can only assume that our intellectual elites got caught up in the faux Greek columns, the Obama tutorials for fainting crowds about proper first aid, the teleprompted emphatics of “Let me be perfectly clear” and “Make no mistake about it,” the Latinate motto “Vero possumus” on the faux presidential seal on his campaign podiums, the boast that Obama & Co. were “the ones we’ve been waiting for,” the messianic promise to cool the planet and lower the seas, the Lincoln self-comparisons, and the other embarrassing childish banalities.

Obama, it is true, ran a brilliant campaign in 2008, hinting to the Other that as a non-white he shared both their racial bona fides and their frustrations, hinting to white elites that his own unique heritage would end racial hostilities and thus allow them to square the circle of living largely separate elite lives and not having to feel guilty about it. He dropped his g’s and went into Southern cadences among African Americans, and then back again into wonkish academese to mainstream whites. It was well known that in impromptu talks he stuttered and stumbled with uh’s in deer-in-the-headlights fashion, and used the pronouns I, me, my, and mine ad nauseam, but such unease was ignored given his teleprompted eloquence and the considerable elite investment in his symbolism.

In sum, in 2008 Obama gave America more than enough evidence to doubt that he was ready for the presidency, but when a nation becomes unhinged by trivialities like “hope and change,” there is not much one can do — until the patient wakes up from his trance and in embarrassment asks, “What exactly was all that nuttiness in 2008 about?”

We will be fathoming that strange madness of 2008 for decades to come

And these 6 !

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/25/Five-funerals-Obama-cared-about

6 Funerals Obama Cared Less About Than Michael Brown

Here are six people whose funerals the Obama administration took less seriously than Brown’s.

Margaret Thatcher. No senior White House officials were sent to the funeral of our staunchest Cold War ally, former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Instead, President Obama sent the charge d’affaires at the US embassy in London, and the former ambassador to Britain, as well as former Secretaries of State George Shultz and James Baker. That drew the ire of the British press, with the UK Sun reporting, “A No 10 source said last night: ‘We are a little surprised by the White House’s reaction as we were expecting a high-profile attendance.” The Guardian said that the White House sent “distinctly low-key official representation.”

Chris Kyle. When the famed sniper was murdered at a Texas shooting range in February 2013, not only did the White House make no statement, the White House sent nobody to his funeral. And while the White House did issue a statement about the death of singer Whitney Housing (she died that same month), the White House never even mentioned Kyle.

Nicholas Oresko, The Medal of Honor recipient for heroism during World War II died at age 96 last year. President Harry Truman gave him the Medal of Honor after he wiped out two enemy bunkers during the Battle of the Bulge despite being gravely wounded. There was no reported White House attendance at his funeral.

Lech Kaczynski. The Polish president was killed in a plane crash in 2010. President Obama originally announced he would attend the funeral, but cancelled, then golfed the day of his funeral.

Aunt Zeituni. Obama’s aunt, Zeituni Onyango, played a large role in his autobiography, Dreams From My Father. Obama called her “Auntie.” She died in South Boston in April 2013. As The New York Times reported, “Mr. Obama helped pay funeral expenses and sent a condolence note, Ms. Onyango’s family members said, but the president did not attend, as he was golfing.”

James Foley. Foley’s funeral is not scheduled until October 18. On Sunday, however, his family held a memorial service for the journalist beheaded at the hands of ISIS. The service, in New Hampshire, drew hundreds, including Senators Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) and Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), as well as Governor Maggie Hassan.. There were no reports of representatives from the White House at the event.

President Obama’s delegation to Michael Brown’s funeral sends an important message. That message isn’t lost on the families of the soldiers and cops, teachers and firefighters, citizens who aren’t killed under disputed circumstances, don’t become the subject of riots, and who therefore don’t receive presidential aides at their funerals

... and King Brown, still peeing his pants... or kilt... skirt... whatever. Same difference.

Dave, you're getting your Buckleys mixed up.

F.H. Buckley is the author of The Once and Future King, The rise of Crown government in America.

The satirist and author Christopher Buckley is the son of the American conservative author and founder of the National Review, William F. Buckley.

All distinguished in their professions. Bill Buckley said the GOP lost its bearings by supporting the all-powerful Bush presidency during the Iraq war, "a failure."

Obama responded positively to public demand to bring the troops home.

Christopher Buckley makes a more important contribution with his observations of you guys who wet your pants at the mere thought of Obama, King.

Why no comment on Dave K's list of important dignitaries that had no White House representation at their funerals? Why King, why? Still acting like a woman and pretending to ignore me. eh? Good. That just keeps your total dishonesty front and center.

It looks like it's more important for Obama to shed a tear and offer condolences for thugs, robbers, and drug addicts.

Also, the public demand to bring the troops home did not include leaving behind enough equipment to arm a Radical Islamist Army, and no American presence to protect and preserve the gains made at our considerable expense. It certainly did not include trading 5 top level Taliban prisoners for one desserter.

Obama's Foreign Policy... the waste... the waste!

You are a total Liberal Socialist Libtard fraud King. Does it ever bother you that you have to avoid the truth like the plague in order to advance your agenda?

I didn't think so.

Let's see here King, public demand you say......I don't think so.......only the libtards & stupid people WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY AND HAVE ZERO EXPERIENCE IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS, like a few dummies on this BBS and OF COURSE the Taliban were excited about the Western Allies pulling out of Iraq....

Especially after the "Magic Negro" broadcast precise dates and schedules for them to revel in...........again, YOU JUST CAN'T FIX STUPID...............WE are now paying and will continue paying for the Magic Negro's stupid decision against the ADVICE of all the Western Allied Military Leaders who had first hand experience in the region. The Magic Negro doesn't know what the word void means and evidently you don't either.

How can you make such stupid comments King....?......Shame on you at your age, libtard or not....

He followed through on pulling back from military adventures. Polls show two of three Americans want them out of those quagmires that chew up lives and money. Only Iraq's Maliki and conservative right wanted boots on the ground, and now Maliki is gone.

Doug, I and my kids are too old to serve---three of my six are retired---and don't have skin in the game. I believe not doing anything is wise if other options can't improve things, and that stars seem to be aligning to do something to IS, a slam-dunk with US aerial mastery.

I believe liberal and conservatives would prefer ridding themselves of the current extremists---a new element of the Taliban is now taking up with IS---to our less than satisfactory occupier roles in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam.

You seem to have forgotten Bush's men pushed for Iraq against Pentagon advice, and the Pentagon advised Obama that Iraq and Afghanistan had become black holes not worth the price. Bush didn't listen.

Then why would it be important to belittle the US by calling it dysfunctional and demonize a 'do nothing' congress. If it's not really dysfunctional, maybe the words are chosen to promote an ideology and reinforce a position.

I remember Bush standing on the pile of 9-11 rubbel and saying on National T.V. that WE would not stop until we cut the head off this snake and the WHOLE POPULATION cheered..........he DID what he said he would do.......but Americans have a short memory, a very short memory, so do Canadians.

Now this current "Know Nothing Magic Negro" for some reason thinks this is the "Kings Army"........well, we have news for him, it IS NOT the Kings Army to do with as he pleases.......

Do you remember the "Highway of Death" and our forces only stopped because of UN requests at the time, knowing full well that they should have continued all the way to Baghdad.

All familiar with the conflict knew we would return to complete the job at a later date......and we did. I guess we could have sat back and watched the genecide as it was ramped up. So now the genecide starts all over again in the void and we go back for seconds and thirds and more, understand...?....

What poll, taken by who, where and of whom. The polls I saw showed a 50/50 split for as long as I can remember. A poll is only as accurate as the segment of society that are polled, you know that....you repeatedly retreat to "this poll and that poll" King......a poll can be made to show anything desired and you also know that.

King Brown seems to have forgotten that Pentagon Generals, including Colin Powell, and leading Democrats, including Bill Clinton and John Kerry.... along with 86% Gallup poll of the American public... were in favor of going into Iraq.

Actually, we all know that King has not forgotten. Neither have any of the other Liberal Democrats who quickly turned against Bush after they pretended to be with him. The lives of American soldiers were nothing but a tool they used to discredit Bush.

No-one wanted a large force to stay in Iraq or Afghanistan indefinitely. But everyone with half a brain knew that pulling out virtually all of the troops and giving the Taliban and al Qaeda a timeline for total withdrawal was just giving them an invitation to be patient and take it all back. Pentagon leaders warned of that, and King the liar and Obama ass-kisser, can't bring himself to admit it.

If Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed "Black Holes not worth the price", why would King's hero Obama waste another single bomb or drone strike trying to stop ISIS's advance? Why is this two-faced liar talking out of both sides of his mouth again? Obama screwed up big time, too busy playing golf and vacationing to notice that the Junior Varsity ISIS was steamrolling through the Iraq that was vacated by U.S. Troops at Obama's idiotic insistence.

And now Russia has opened a third front in Eastern Ukraine. Obama is a total loser and King Brown is a total liar. King knows what's really going on Doug. But he is too dishonest to ever admit that his precious first negro president is an incompetent idiot. Not all men are created equal. The first black president will be remembered as being worse than Jimmy Carter. Much worse.

Bald headed white guy isn't going to convince those that matter. Let me help you...

US governance is dysfunctional, Craig. Polls show Americans are fed up with its performance, a pox on both houses. There are no "ifs" about it.

The US was for invading Iraq. The Defence Secretary over-ruled the Pentagon's objections to troop strength and material support.

Once again King, your knowledge of American political system is very flawed.The raciest Harry Reid "keeping my Wongs straight "has been blocking house bills for years.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368369/harry-reids-obstructionism-andrew-stiles

Harry Reid’s Obstructionism


Republicans complain that the media’s reporting on the “unprecedented obstructionism” of a “do-nothing Congress” has focused almost exclusively on GOP filibusters in the Senate and the refusal of the Republican-controlled House to take up Senate-passed bills, such as the Gang of Eight immigration-reform legislation. They note that House Republicans passed more than 200 bills in 2013, many of which Reid has refused to hold votes on in the Senate.

Reid has refused to bring up measures that would almost certainly pass with bipartisan support, such as legislation approving construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, or the aforementioned medical-device-tax repeal. He has also refused to consider legislation to impose new sanctions on Iran: A majority of Senate Democrats support the idea, but it’s strongly opposed by the White House. On the Iranian issue, Republicans have accused Reid of “playing defense for the president” against the wishes of his own conference.

The system is dysfunctional---admitted, confessed, acknowledged, castigated by the general public---because its political leaders put their interests before the country.

My understanding of the system isn't flawed because I don't acknowledge the opportunists by name. The public is fed up with finger-pointing when they're all doing it.

It's pulling down the country any way you cut it.

Ever wonder why you know these names and issues, but joe average voter does not. You make the informed decision to brush off real documented concerns as 'timid'. Does it matter in the slightest bit where any political leaders' interest lies. Since joe average can't investigate as an individual, maybe the small club referred to as the mainstream media proactively promotes an agenda above the interests of an entire nation.

Not so timid when folks will agree along and blame others for just pursuing their interests. Then again what interests are we thinking about, who says they're bad for the country and why. Maybe, you're right, the mainstream folks are too timid to share.

Craig, where does your "timid" come into the discussion? I've used the word describing US media as generally beholden to its advertisers and almost benign with political leadership even on late-night talk shows. There's nothing timid about your and others' opinions about the rights and wrong of the political or anything else.

Political leaders' interests certainly matter, as does media promoting dozens of agendas depending on owner interests. Both genuflect to powerful lobbies and others paying the bills as noted on another current Misfires thread concerning the plutocrats supporting liberal and conservative notions of governance.

Joe Average doesn't know what's really going on. If truth be told neither do I or you. Today we're told in Misfires accurately that the US backed the Iraq invasion. No one here should have forgotten the hokum that preceded it and later the misgivings of Colin Powell for his role in promoting it.

I read the book on US propaganda machinations by an US political science academic that General Powell gave to our Defence Minister, on a visit to Washington, who loaned it to me. Political schemes are sold like soap. Say it often enough, Joe Average will believe it.

Why King, 'timid' comes from you, but you throw me a curve ball. Benign? Is that a fundamental transformation of timid. When your was happy iraqi invader, G.Dubya, was a sitting president, the media got a giggle out of images of him burning in effigy. The benign response, eh.

Why would a politicians interests matter, when you've told us they lie, and it didn't matter. Maybe the media might unbenign and 'report' on the politicians real interest and their lies, and let folks decide instead of do the spoon feeding thing.

If you or I don't really know what's going on, as an insider, why do you suppose not. What's the purpose of 'news', just advertising dollars. Then again, there're a bunch of sayings like, if it quacks like a duck or peeing down my back or smell'in like poop, that there could be some fire where the smoke is billowing out uncontrollably.

I've noticed you like to repeat some things a lot. You're not one of those trying to get folks to buy in to your 'political schemes' are you.

Who'd buy into anything I say here, Craig! A liberal who says each one is responsible to everyone for everything, that politics is a punk's game, that the political system we have is unrepresentative but the best compared to the rest, that all politicians say things they know not to be true, that my 16 Parker hammer 0 grade is absolute magic---who'd believe that?

Comrade King,

The statement that "Each one is responsible to everyone for everything" is a massive sign of not only mental instability, but of an anti-intellectual, statist, religious belief. It is a belief of collectivism, not individualism. It is so preposterously subjective as to be beyond rational belief. Since there is obviously no possible way for an individual to be responsible to "everyone", what you really mean is that individuals are responsible to the State, and whatever sociopathic Neo-slavemasters who happen to be in charge. There is no aspect of individual freedom in your beliefs, you are merely another indoctrinated, religious, neostatist, pseudo-elitist who gleefully believes that the totalitarian state is "righteous and good". Since you think that these beliefs can be inflicted upon others against their will and at the expense of their individual freedom, it makes you a classic sociopath. A bigoted, racist, sexist, religious sociopath.

Whatever you call it, Ken, it's a tenet of Christianity which I believe, opposite of totalitarian materialism.

Comrade King,

You miss my point.

You and your statist, fundamentalist, religious ilk use the power of the State to force your beliefs upon others. This is typical for anti-intellectual religious zealots. It is this aspect that makes the difference between religious freedom and personal choice and freedom, as opposed to the actions of a totalitarian religious state. Since Christianity is about individual choice and a personal relationship with one's own deity, not the sociopathic infliction upon others, you do not fit the definition of a Christian.

I admire much of what Christians believe and do and participate in their work. I don't believe all of it so call myself an atheist.

No, Comrade King,

You're a pseudo-elitist, sociopatic, religious statist of the Marxist-Leninist (Soviet) school. It's only that you are completely devoid of intellectual objectivity that you could possibly delude yourself and consider yourself an Atheist.

You are a true religious fundamentalist.

Ken61, it sounds like the Burger King is more like one of those Cafeteria Catholics much like Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden. They chose the parts they liked but supported Liberal Democrat sacraments like abortion.

King says that "everyone is responsible to everybody for everything", but he doesn't practice what he preaches. He sure as hell hasn't taken in any poor Africville negroes or Indiginous Indians. He hasn't offered to take in any poor Central American illegal aliens either. What he has to offer, as you have observed, is support for Liberal Left anti-gun politicians who confiscate the wealth and time of productive people, and redistribute it to Welfare Queens in exchange for their votes. To somehow connect this with Christianity is indeed a symptom of mental illness, or at least a very dishonest interpretation. Dishonesty is King's favorite tool, and being a pathological liar is also a form of mental illness. So it seems we have a diagnosis. Do you think he was born that way, or that maybe someone mistook him for a baby seal and whacked him on the head during a seal hunt?

keith: where are you? your posts are missed.

Hmmm, does this sound like anyone we know ???

Histrionic Personality Disorder Symptoms


Histrionic personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of attention seeking behavior and extreme emotionality. Someone with histrionic personality disorder wants to be the center of attention in any group of people, and feel uncomfortable when they are not. While often lively, sometimes dramatic, they have difficulty when people aren’t focused exclusively on them