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Posted By: PMcFall ID help on German drilling please - 07/09/12 10:08 PM
I need some help as to what I have here. Any help and information will be greatly appreciated in addition as to what it might be worth. It is a 16 ga over a small 8X57.
Thanks
Phil






Posted By: ellenbr Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/09/12 11:58 PM
Walter Uhlig Leipzigerstraße 27, Halle on the River Saale( Halle an der Saale ), I suspect it was sourced from the mechanics in the Zella-Mehlis region. Interesting screw locations. Looks like some Blitz varaiant.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=12207&page=1

Shuck the forend and let us have a gander at the marks.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: sharps4590 Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/10/12 12:27 AM
What a gorgeous bullet trap in the toe.
Posted By: PMcFall Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/10/12 01:39 AM
Raimey
I'll try to get some pictures of the markings underneath the forend tomorrow. However, you can already see I'm a pretty poor photographer.
Thanks for looking
Phil
Posted By: Dave in Maine Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/11/12 06:05 PM
I saw a different Uhlig gun for sale a while back and was interested enough to do a little digging, including checking out the neighborhood of his shop (via internet) and such. Best guesstimate is he was a "high street" sporting goods retailer in the nicest part of town, and not a maker himself.

But it looks like one hell of a nice piece there.... Esp. that trap.
Posted By: PMcFall Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/13/12 04:17 PM
I took quite a few pictures of the underneath side beneath the forend. Rather than take up band width on the forum, here's a link to them at Photobucket.com http://s1013.photobucket.com/albums/af252/pmcfall/German%20Drilling/

Maybe this help in placing some value on the piece.
Thanks
Phil
Posted By: ellenbr Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/13/12 04:55 PM

It has a pre-1912 voluntary powder over bullet type stamp on the rifled tube but post 1912 on the scattergun tubes, which may be 70mm(note the 70 forward on the flats). Is there 70 forward on each flat? Is the D.R.G.M. 409728? With that & the small screws in the side of the frame, along with the serial number 23357?, I'm going to make a wild stab and say it was sourced from E. Schmidt & Habermann circa 1912. Is there an "ESHA" on any of the lugs or the standing breech? Let me dig for D.R.G.M. 409728, which is probably going be from 1909/1910?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: steve white Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/17/12 01:20 AM
What is the function of the second, smaller top lever, I wonder? Thank you for showing the drilling. It seems unique in many ways. Steve
Posted By: Rookhawk Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/17/12 06:57 PM
Originally Posted By: steve white
What is the function of the second, smaller top lever, I wonder? Thank you for showing the drilling. It seems unique in many ways. Steve


Usually, one opens the breech, the other pops up the rifle site and converts the armed firing pin from the shotgun barrels to a set-type front trigger and a hair rear trigger for the rifle barrel. Elaborate actions on these drillings.
Posted By: PMcFall Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/18/12 03:06 AM
Thanks to all you guys for your comments. I've been out of town for a few days, but now that I'm back, I'll try to answer Raimey's questions in the morning.
Phil
Posted By: PMcFall Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/18/12 09:11 PM
Raimey
There is a 70 on each barrel. The DRGM is 409728. There is no ESHA that I can find.

Rookhawk
You are exactly correct in the function of the small lever.

Thanks for all the help. Anyone want to venture an estimate as to what it might be worth?
Phil
Posted By: ellenbr Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/21/12 10:07 PM
I'd say it would fetch what the average ole Blitz action drilling would, possibly a bit more. Can you pleasure us with an image of the selector lever atop the top tang? I think D.R.G.M. might be for the addition for what the small screws in the sides of the frame holds.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: ellenbr Re: ID help on German drilling please - 07/21/12 10:13 PM
The Boys Uhlig must have heavily sourced the mechanics in the Zella-Mehlis area. From this example it appears that they sourced the craftsmen in Liege and then had the the Zella-Mehlis fellas to finish it to the customer's whims. The reason for the Liege sourcing may be that the firm may have been on the last knot of their financial rope. With a couple years of this 1921 Z-M proof date, I believe the concern went into receivership.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297114883




Note powder & shot charge along with the January 1921 proof date and 188 ledger number.








I assume the mechanic represented by the encircled AG to be Belgian?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse
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