I'm looking for info on Cogswell and Harrison date of manufacturing by ser# and shotgun models,..any leads would be appreciated

Thanks,

CJ

Graham Cooley's book "Cogswell & Harrison" charts Coggie models, but it isn't gospel - C&H was rather erratic in slapping names on different models. I don't know who can pin down serial numbers - but C&H has the old records and may be able to help.

If I remember correctly, the book has numbers by year. What is your serial number?

"The Victor" Extra quality,...Ser # is 10887,..built on a W&C Scott back lock action

The address on the label is "142 New bond Street & 226 Strand London"

CJ

The number chart in Nigel Brown's London Gunmakers shows 1881, #10,819 and 1882, 11,307, apparently the last numbers of each year. The C&H book does not seem to have a chart of serial numbers.

Being that this gun is 127 years old ( 1881 ) was the Scott pattented back lock action the first Hammerless design at the time??

I believe Lefever filed a patent 229,429 in 1880.

Pete

CJO, Try Alan Crewe Esq.011-44-1344-885091. cc/dt

CJ,
This does not transfer well from a table, but it is decipherable with a bit of effort. It is a list of some dates/models/prices sold/unsold at UK (mainly) auctions. Hope it is of some use to somebody
K.


8038 A cased double-barrelled 12-bore top-lever hammer-gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 8038 £510. Bonhams, London, 15 Sep 1999

1884/5 12203 Cogswell and Harrison, London 12 bore. Side lock ejector. Plain action border engraved and maker banner. 28" sleeved steel barrels Chokes; 1/2 & 1/4 Bores; .719 both barrels. Chambers; 2 1/2" nitro proved 3 tons 14 3/8" straight hand walnut stock thin vulcanite plate. Cast; off Manufactured 1884-1885 Weight; 7lb. Serial No. 12203 for sale at £950 10/04

12487 Cogswell & Harrison #12487 12 bore Rounded boxlock action with extractor. 30 inch barrels with game rib measuring rt/lt; bores .713/.729, chokes .001/.035, walls .035/.028. Solid straight grip stock measuring; 14x1 3/4x 3x1/8 cast off to original horn butt plate. Weight is 6-8 Cased in original leather case with original label. $1500Gunvault 8/2004

20898 A LIGHTWEIGHT 12-BORE 'AVANT TOUT' BOXLOCK EJECTOR GUN BY COGSWELL & HARRISON, NO. 20898 Sold for £502 Bonhams July 2004

21518 "A pair of double barrel box lock ejector Sporting Guns, by Cogswell and Harrison, London, ""The Avant Tout,"" (one as is), each 30"" barrel, No. 1 & 2, Ser. No: 21518 & 21519, and walnut stock with engraved lock, in original brass bound leather case, Est 700-1100 Mealy Lot 702 Nov04

23456 A double-barrelled 12-Bore Single-Trigger Box-Lock Ejector Gun By Cogswell And Harrison, Serial No. 23456. £350. Sold at Bonhams, 1 Dec 1999

24331 A Cased double-barrelled 12-Bore Box-Lock Ejector Gun By Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 24331. £180. Sold at Bonhams, 1 Dec 1999

26435 A double-barrelled 12-bore single-trigger boxlock ejector gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 26435/2 £320. Bonhams, London, 15 Sep 1999

26563 "A 12 bore box lock double barrel Sporting Gun, by Cogswell & Harrison, Ser. No: 26563, with walnut stock and engraved lock, 30"" (76cms) barrels, 47"" (120cms) overall, gold escutcheon, Est 600-900 Lot 704 Mealy Nov04

27048 A double-barrelled 12-bore side-plated boxlock ejector gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 27048(2) £350. Bonhams, London, 15 Sep 1999

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1906 40521 one of three built to pigeon gun specifications.type 108 12b ass. Opening BLE with sideplates. 30ins bbls 2 3/4 chambers

1907 28035 "Cogswell & Harrison 12g boxlock ejector Pigeon Gun No. 28035
Completed 23rd Jan 1907. Assisted opening, 30"" steel barrels, ET top rib (flat, with matt surface), 2 3/4"" chamber proofed for 1 1/4 oz. Both barrels heavily choked. Weight of barrels 3lb 9 1/2 oz. Stock 14 9/16"". Bend at the comb 1 1/2"". Bend at the heel 2"". Snap type forend. Light engraving. 50% case colouring. Overall weight 7lb 5oz. This gun has seen little use and is in fine condition. Distressed canvas case.
Price: £1,500"

1908 40967 Cased D.B. 12-Bore Side-Plated Box-Lock Ejector Gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 40967(2), £550, Sold at Bonhams, 9 April 2001

1909 41196 "Cogswell & Harrison 12g boxlock ejector No. 41196
Complete 18th January 1907. Sandhurst model. Assisted opener. Ornamental strengthening sideplates. 30"" barrels. 2 1/2"" chambers. Chokes quarter in right, modified in left. Stock 14 5/8"" including 3/4"" wood extension.
Price: £1,450"

1909 42126 A cased double-barrelled 20-bore boxlock ejector gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 42126 £500. Bonhams, London, 15 Sep 1999

42712/3 Cogswell & Harrison  #42712/3  Circa 1908. Matched Pair of 16 bore box lock ejectors model "Avant Tout". 28 inch barrels have 2 1/2 inch chambers and measure ( gun no 1) R/L  bores, .665/.665; chokes .007/.018; walls.027/.027. Gun no. 2 is the same except walls .024/.025. This nice pair have splinter fore ends, single trigger and are cased in their original case. on both guns the English straight stocks measure 14 7/8x1 5/8x2 1/4x 3/8 cast off to vulcanite butt plateThe condition overall is honestly used but solid with lots of shooting for  another lifetime. The barrels have been polished and reblackened in London in 2002. $10,500 (Sept'04 GunVault)

1910 43704/5 A Cased Pair of D.B. 12-Bore Side-Lock Ejector Guns by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 43704/5, £4,400, Sold at Bonhams, 9 April 2001

1911 43962/3 "COGSWELL & HARRISON - A PAIR OF 12-BORE SINGLE-TRIGGER '110 MODEL VICTOR' SIDELOCK EJECTORS, serial no. 43962 / 3, 30in. nitro Arcus-steel barrels, ribs engraved 'COGSWELL & HARRISON LTD. EXTRA QUALITY VICTOR EJECTOR. 141 NEW BOND ST. LONDON.', 2 1/2in. chambers, bored approx. imp cyl and 1/4 choke, gold-washed non-selective single-triggers, gold-inlaid cocking-indicators, beaded border engraving, blued and silver finish overall, 14 3/8in. well-figured stocks, (No.2 with 1/4in. wood extension), fore-ends with gold-washed Anson pushrods, weight 6lb. 10oz., in their brass-cornered oak-lined leather case. The makers' have kindly conformed that the guns were completed as Type 110 Model Victor guns (top quality) for Vice Admiral Sir A.B. Milne in 1911 at a cost of 130 guineas. Estimated 4-6K, did not sell, reserve 4,500 oct 04.
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1911 44230 Holt 2004/9/9 Lot 712 COGSWELL & HARRISON 16-BORE SIDELOCK EJECTOR, serial no. 44230, 27 3/4in. nitro barrels, 2 1/2in. chambers, bored approx. imp cyl and 1/2 choke, locks and action engraved with rose and scrollwork, southgate ejectors, 15in. well-figured central vision stock, weight 6lb. 8oz., in its leather case. £500-700 (Lot 712a was sold for £350 ....?)

1912 44121 Holt 2004/9/9 Lot 678 COGSWELL & HARRISON 12-BORE 'THE AVANT TOUT' SINGLE-TRIGGER BOXLOCK EJECTOR, serial no. 44121, 30in. nitro barrels, 2 1/2in. chambers, bored approx. 1/4 choke in both, treble-grip action, border and bold scroll engraving, brushed bright finish overall, 14 1/2in. stock (pinned at head and hand), weight 6lb. 7oz. £100-150 Sold £160.

44624/5 "Cogswell & Harrison matched pair 12g sidelock ejectors Nos 44624/44625
Crown models completed 20th August 1912. Barrels 27 1/2"" with 2 1/2"" chambers. Southgate ejectors. Both guns quarter choke in right, half choke in left. Actions have traces of colour. Bouquet and medium scroll engraving. 14 3/8"" stocks. Good sound guns in un-restored condition.
Price: £6,750"

1913 45352/3 A PAIR OF 12-BORE 'CROWN MODEL' SIDELOCK EJECTOR GUNS BY COGSWELL & HARRISON, NO. 45352/3 Best bouquet and scroll engraving, highly figured stocks with recoil-pads, the barrels with game-ribs Weight 6lb. 13½oz. (No. 1) and 6lb. 12oz. (No. 2), 14½in. pulls, 30in. barrels, both approx. ¼ & 3/8 choke, 2½in. chambers, nitro reproof In their brass-mounted oak and leather case

1914 45450 Xover stock, BLE, avant tout assist.s. opening. Built for Adm. C Sparkes, sold Dec1914 to Mr J H Cannon. K quality 12g,30ins. IC + 1/2 chokes
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1920 46755 "SOLD Cogswell & Harrison 12g Extra Quality Victor sidelock ejector No. 46755 SOLD
Completed on 10th September 1920. New stock by makers to be finished to customer requirements. Barrels 27 1/2"". Southgate ejectors. Right barrel quarter choke, left half choke. Usual high quality engraving throughout. Includes original leather case, brass mounted, trade label. Beize slightly distressed. Otherwise compartments quite solid.
Price: £4,500
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1920 47445 A cased double-barrelled 12-bore side-plated boxlock ejector gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 47445 £350. Bonhams, London, 15 Sep 1999

1920 47445 A Cased D.B. 12-Bore Side-Plated Box-Lock Ejector Gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 47445, £400, Sold at Bonhams, 9 April 2001

1920 47917 Holt 2004/9/9 Lot 694 COGSWELL & HARRISON LTD 20-BORE 'EXTRA QUALITY VICTOR' SIDELOCK EJECTOR, serial no. 47917, No.2 of a pair, 27 1/2in. nitro reproved barrels, rib engraved 'COGSWELL & HARRISON LTD. EXTRA QUALITY VICTOR EJECTOR. 141 NEW BOND ST. 226 STRAND. LONDON & 26, AVENUE DE L'OPERA PARIS. FABRIQUE A LONDRES', 2 3/4in. chambers, bored approx. 3/4 and 1/4 choke, gold-inlaid cocking-indicators, fences engraved with floral and harp motifs, best bouquet and scroll engraving, bright and blued finish overall, 156in. figured stock including 1/2in. ebonite extension, weight 5lb. 12oz., in its lightweight leather motor case. £4000-6000 Sold £4,000

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1921 49011 "Cogswell & Harrison Tower 12g Sidelock ejector No. 49011
Completed on 15th December 1921. Assisted Opening Mechanism. 30"" Replacement barrels by maker S/N 54739. Chokes improved cylinder in right. Half choke in left 14 5/8"" stock.
Price: £3,750
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1932 "Cogswell & Harrison 20g boxlock ejector Konor Model No. 56997 SOLD
Completed 10th February1932. Assisted opener. Ornamental sideplates. 25"" Arcus steel barrels reblued by maker. Game chokes.Stock 14 3/4"" over Silvers leather covered pad. Weight 5lb 10oz.
Price: £2,500
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1933
1934 57035 "12g Composed Pair No. 57035 and 57047
Completed on10th August 1934 and 21st September 1934. Crown model sidelock ejectors with non-consecutive numbers. Barrels 30"". Replacement stocks which are cast-on. In the maker's double leather-on-oak brass mounted case.
Price: £6,500
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1937 56518 "Cogswell & Harrison 12g sidelock ejector No. 56518
Completed on 24th June 1937. 30"" barrels, weight 3lb 2oz. Game chokes, stock 14 11/16"" long. Bend at the comb 1 7/16"" and at the heel 2"". Cast-offs 1/16"", 1/8 and 3/16"". Tastefully engraved in keeping with the quality of this sidelock model: the 'Huntic'. Original throughout retaining some case colour, overall weight 6lb 13oz. In original leather motor case.
Price: £4,250"

1937 56592 The Parts Only Of A D.B. 12-Bore Box-Lock Ejector Gun by Cogswell & Harrison, Serial No. 56592, £170, Sold at Bonhams, 9 April 2001

56734 "Cogswell & Harrison Konor 12g Boxlock Ejector No. 56734 SOLD
Completed on 7th September 1932. Assisted opener. Ornamental strengthening sideplates 27 1/2"" barrels. Re-proofed. Half choke in right barrel and three quarters in the left. Stock length 14 5/8"".
Price: £1,750
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56870 "A superb Cogswell and Harrison side by side 12 gauge side lock ejector Sporting Gun, Ser. No: 56870, nicely figured walnut stock with chequered grip, the lock finely engraved with scrolling flowers 25"" (64cms) barrels, choke ¼ & ½ 42"" (107cms) overall.Mealy, Lot 707 Nov04 no est.

57683 "Cogswell & Harrison Konor 12g Boxlock Ejector No. 57683
Completed on 8th April 1937. Assisted opener. Ornamental strengthening sideplates. Barrels 27 1/2""
Quarter choke in right barrel. Approx three quarters in left. One piece stock. Length 14 5/8""
Tastefully engraved. In leather motor case.
Price: £2,750"

1938 57949/50 "pair ble est £600-800 COGSWELL & HARRISON - A PAIR OF 12-BORE BOXLOCK EJECTORS, serial nos. 5794 9/50, 30in. nitro barrels, 2 1/2in. chambers, bored approx. 1/4 and 1/2 choke, blacked actions engraved with scrollwork, 14 3/4in. stocks, weight 6lb. 10oz. In their oak and leather double case with various accessories. £600-800 sold Holts
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1947 60156 Holt 2004/9/9 Lot 631 COGSWELL & HARRISON 12-BORE 'EXTRA QUALITY VICTOR' SIDELOCK EJECTOR, serial no. 60156, 27in. nitro barrels inscribed 'Cogswell & Harrison Ltd Extra Quality Victor Hammerless Ejector 168 Piccadilly, London' 2 1/2in. chambers, boed approx. imp cyl and 1/2 choke, locks and action engraved with rose and scrollwork, 14in. well-figured stock, weight 6lb. 10oz. In a leather case. £1500-2000 Not Sold, now looking 1500

60156 "Cogswell & Harrison Victor 12g Sidelock Ejector No. 60156
Completed on 16th April 1947. Approx three quarters cast-on. Barrels 27 1/4"". Avant Tout ejector mechanism. Improved cylinder in right barrel. left barrel tight half choke. Stock length 14"". Top right hand horn pegged. In a lightweight leather motor case.
Price: £3,250"
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1963 7079 Holt 2004/9/9 Lot 682 COGSWELL & HARRISON 12-BORE 'BLAGDON' BOXLOCK EJECTOR, serial no. 7079, 26in. nitro barrels, 2 3/4in. chambers, bored approx. 1/2 and 3/4 choke, stepped action with bold scrollwork surrounding scenes of gundogs and mallard in flight, retaining very slight traces of original colour-hardening, 14 1/4in. stock, weight 6lb. 4oz. The gun was completed circa 1963. £300-500 Sold £700
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1966 70487 "Cogswell & Harrison 12g boxlock ejector No. 70487
Completed on 6th Sept 1966. 26"" barrels 2 3/4"" chamber. Game chokes. Barrel weight 3lb 1oz. Game scene engraving. Stock 15 3/8"", overall weight 6lb 14oz. Virtually new retaining 90% of case colour throughout. In maker's new brass mounted leather case fitted out with full range of accessories.
Price: £3,500
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Here's the problem with trying to date Coggies:

41099 1906
28035 1907
40967 1908
42712 1908
42126 1909
41196 1909
44230 1911
44121 1912

The serial numbers seem not to be strictly consecutive, with lower numbers sometimes appearing on later guns. Perhaps the sequence indicates when the action was completed rather than the gun finished. The pigeon gun #28035 is apparently a totally different numerical sequence.

So...good luck!

Thank you Kerryman!....that's a lot of info, thanks for taking the time

DT ...I have a call in to C&H requesting a Certificate of origin,...just waiting for a reply

The gun in question is a cased two bbl set 28 & 30" in as fine original condition as I have ever encountered for something this old. mint bores and most of their brown finish still there,...has a beautiful piece of wood for a stock that just happens to fit me to a tee

The case needs some work as someone busted the lock to get it open,..keys were probably missing-- there is a wonderful smell of old that emanates from the case and gun,...you all know what I mean,..it just takes you back.

I don't like to tease so here is a couple of pictures to start,..will take some more over the weekend but won't be able to post or even go online from home since my interenet has crapped out

CJ

I took a few nice pics outside today,...just thought I'd share

Take a look!

CJ

Verrrry nice..... C.J. The early Coggies are usually very high quality, both hammer and hammerless, you have found a beauty.
Enjoy, Terry

Nice early example. She only appears to have Black powder proof marks so be kind to her. Lagopus.....

CJ if you take it down to clean take some pictures of the internals if it's not alot of trouble.

jOe, did you notice it is not stocked to the fences?

JC

Claudio, really, really nice!

Congratulations.

JC

Hey Jack and Kerryman,
I own 40967 and it was completed on September 12, 1906 according to the certificate of origin from Cogswell and Harrison. The only reliable way I have found to date a Coggie is to get the completion date directly from them.

This is the response I got from C&H



August 24th 2008


Dear Mr Opacak

Shotgun S/N 10887 refs: 41/1P; 144/2P; 223/3P.

The index to our archives shows that this gun was completed on 6th April 1881. It also shows that there are full original records on this gun in the archive section for that year. There is also an entry in the 1896 archive.

Our service is to access the antique books, extract all the details and print them out on a Certificate of Origin bearing your own name as the current owner. The information includes original measurements, weights, first owner, price paid and other details. The Certificate is very good provenance to have on a C&H gun.

If you would like this service then please send a note giving your full address and the Serial Number again. Also tell us how you would like your name quoted –e.g. middle initial? middle name? and also title.

We presume from the domain name that you are in Canada so include in the envelope a Canadian check for 88 CAD which is the cost of the service. We will respond within two weeks. We do not take card numbers as payment.

We look forward to your order.

Regards from Cogswell & Harrison

Great information to have!

JC

I noticed that...CJ do you know how long Scott produced this action ?

I have no idea,...as I understand it it was one of the first successful hammerless actions of the time,..maybe someone can jump in here and tell us

Joe the lockwork is almost identical to the one on my A&Navy

CJ

Quite a striking piece of workmanship. You are a fortunate man to have become its caretaker.

Very interesting indeed! You might have better luck asking for information on http://www.internetgunclub.com C. J. Its strikingly similar to a Charles Lancaster "Wristbreaker", is it not? Maybe both were forged by Scott or some other mass trade producer?

Here you go

CJ

Interesting....Any plans other than to just shoot it ?

Needs a little fine tuning first,...then I guess I'll shoot a few birds with it,...why do you ask?...you wanna do an internet deal??

CJ

...I was just hoping to see the before and after pictures.

No, its nothing at all like a CL "Wristbreaker", the only similarity would be they are both back action guns, thats about it.

CJ's gun was most definatley made by Scott. Maybe finished by Coggie, but more than likely....came out of the Scott factory either completely finished or a working gun in the white just needing engraving. They did the same for E.M. Reilly, H&H (Climax), Coggies (Victor), Gye & Moncrief, and a myriad of other makers on the Isle.

Dustin