The importance of a Supreme Court which respects the rights of law abiding U.S. citizens is beyond any debate or argument for gun owners and shooters of any discipline. That certainly includes our rights to own and shoot Double Guns.

I just spent a whole 5 minutes e-mailing both of my U.S. Senators for the second time since the U.S. Supreme Court confirmation process for Judge Brett Kavanaugh began. I urge like minded double gun owners to do the same right now. We must never tolerate the kind of un-witnessed and unsubstantiated accusations which are now being used as the latest Democrat tactic to become the new normal.

I am not at all interested in debating these "bottom of the 9th inning" slanderous and salacious accusations with anyone... especially those who turned a blind eye to much worse from anti-gunners like Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy. Here is the text of the short messages I sent to my Republican and my Democrat Senators:

Senator _________, the disgusting display by Democrats, and the obvious political smear campaign against Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh are beyond the pale. I feel you should stand against this partisan and slanderous attack, and that you should vote to confirm Judge Kavanaugh, and put an end to this charade. I will be watching your actions and your vote on this important matter. I VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION.

It is very easy to Google "Contact (your state) U.S. Senators) to access a contact page to quickly e-mail your Senator. And make sure to get out and vote for pro-gun candidates in the November mid term elections.

Thanks! I already did and you are so correct in what you said. Let them get away with this and that will be the new normal for all Republican picks for the courts and other positions.

No one except Kavanaugh and his accuser can possibly know who is telling the truth. Democrats didn't invent this accusation. Now there is another one. Wouldn't it make more sense to hear the testimony before concluding who's telling the truth? We have one sexual offender on the court already. We have another sexual predator nominating Kavanaugh. Let's try to get the facts ( not the alternative facts) before we take sides.

If you're going to contact your senators, it is probably better to send a fax as opposed to an email. Reason being, emails often get deleted without being opened.
That, and be polite, to the point, and keep it to one page.

Can't help but wonder about the certainty you have there that these assaults did not happen. Two (possibly three) accusers now and you are certain its just lies. I have to wonder, what if it was one of your kids that the Judge assaulted. Would you be so quick to dismiss it in favor of getting another Lefever?

Witnesses seem quite difficult to come by. And some of the evidence to which Dr. Ford refers . . . the friend whose name she gave can't remember having been at such a party with Ford, and can't remember having met Kavanaugh. And Ford's therapist's notes have her saying it was 4 boys in the bedroom with her, not 2. Apparently a mistake in the therapists's notes . . . right.

and Professor Ford passed a polygraph too.

Who is the sex offender on the court. Must be that judge that has help preserve the second amendant. Can't be one of the women because if you are so butt ugly you have to pay for sex it not sex.
bill

Lecturing about "alternative facts" when you start tossing about the terms "sexual offender"and "sexual predator" should tell anyone who reads this thread how little you have to offer in regard to anything that is straight forward and honest.

So, maybe BK exposed, maybe Kennedy killed, maybe Clinton raped, and on and on. Personally, I believe the Clinton murder files. That covers not only a previous President, but a previous presidential candidate and Secretary of State. Did JFK ever tug at a ladies' bathing suit? Who gets a pass? Obviously, the democrats get a pass, every time, no exceptions. What is going on here?

Bill Clinton and JFK wouldn't pass muster today. Anita Hill was far more persuasive than Clarence Thomas. We've made some headway against the routine abuse of women. Some men have paid a heavier penalty than they deserved, but it's a net gain. What the hell are the Clinton murder files, some invention by Limbaugh, or Alex Jones?

Your ignorance is showing here, big time.
JR

John, Fill me in. Is this a reference to Vince ... I can't recall his name. If so, only the most gullible would put any store in the rumors. PS: I'm not defending the Clintons. I don't like or respect them. It's just that their shortcomings don't include murder.

irrelevant...

I think it's high time for another big round of # MeToo on some prominent Hollywood and Socialite Democrats...Geo

This thing with Kavanaugh is disgusting.

The Dems now want to change the rule of law to the point that the accused has to prove his/her innocence. That is all over the news tonight. Dems calling for Kavanaugh to prove his innocence, on the assumption that all men are lying boors and sexual perverts, and all women are victims of that. It's disgusting, and I'm sick of it. This is a dangerous slope we're balancing on the edge of, with grave implications for common citizens .............men mostly, I'm afraid.

God help us.

SRH

Well, it’s either that three people who don’t know each other just made up allegations against Kavanaugh, or Kavanaugh sexually harassed three different women. Just like it’s either that nine people who don’t know each other just made up allegations against Roy Moore, or Roy Moore sexually harassed nine different women or children in Roy’s case. Just like it’s either that sixteen people who don’t know each other just made up allegations against Trump, or Trump sexually harassed sixteen different women.

Is this just an ever increasing amount delusional,women just making up their mistreatment or privileged and powerful white guys getting away with it until now?

As an aside, doesn’t Trumo have a list of judges he’s ready to appoint? It’s not like doesnt have one in mind already should RBG kick it. Why not cut bait and appoint another anti Roe and pro 2nd judge? Or is it that there is something special about Kavanaugh? Something like the way he feels about investigating a sitting pres?

It’s a job interview not a criminal trial.

I couldn’t agree more, Stan. With or without Kavanaugh, the sentiment of men being guilty until proven innocent is atrocious, which appears to be the case here. Really, really disgusting. Not even to mention this Ford woman is a socialist California professor, a contributor monetarily to the known socialist, Bernie Sanders. I don’t know why anyone would aspire to high office, the scrutiny is so unpalatable.

A laugh a minute, eh Bill? So, why can't we just have the great judge and the promiscuous ideologue exchange phone numbers and hash it out? Oh, could it be that your dems invented politicizing non facts?

Why don't you-n-your lil buddy nca help with a little distinguishing between your feelings about the great judge and your inability to see the facts about Ms. Monahan's medical records from November of '17? Not good enough, eh? Maybe, you number two at the dnc and wanna be state atgen., ellison would be better remembered by his documented, abusive, long term, extramarital affair with Ms. Alexander in '06? I'm sorry, is this little oopsie excused under racial and progressive pc?

Hey Bill, if dems are getting bit by your heroine sen. dirty harry reid's nuke option, why don't you just pull the delay tactic by criticizing the great judge's three hundred and some odd written opinions over twelve years on the appellate court?

Be real, he’s getting borked by the liberals.

On the bright side hockey season starts next week.

Go Wings!


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As an aside, dems would bork the economy if they thought they could they could delay long enough to regain congress in Nov., eh? Don't you over worry about it, your current President will nominate another from that outstanding list when that ole gal finally decides she can't hold out long enough for you folks to get your political act together.

Which your ilk are trying to turn into a trial!

SRH

Why not give up on Judge Kavanaugh and appoint someone else? Because the allegations are not credible. Because the burden of proof is always on the accuser. Because the naked hypocrisy of the Democrats is beyond belief. Because by all credible sources Judge Kavanaugh is an honorable man and brilliant Judge. Because if the Republicans back down this time every Republican nominee to the court will be accused of sexual assault from here on out. Because Diane Feinstein clearly just waited to reveal the letter so as to try to inflict max political damage and not because of any desire for the truth. Because we don't disqualify people based on guilt by association.

If Trump does get to appoint a replacement for RBG I really hope he names Amy Coney Barret the next day

I don't care much for Mitch but he pulls thru here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jso47c_e4s

It's a shame that alleged so-called gun guys like rocky mtn bill and nca225 repeatedly stab us in the back by their unbridled support for anti-gunners who work to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment.

It's more of a shame that they are in total denial of their hypocrisy concerning Liberal Left Democrat misogynists and sexual abusers. The sexual abuse Bill Clinton lied about under oath was not an unfounded accusation from 35 years ago, and with no witnesses. There was his DNA evidence in the form of a semen stain on that famous blue dress. There were also witnesses who heard Juanita Broderick tell them he raped her, and who saw her swollen lip from when he bit her to keep her quiet during the assault. And with Ted Kennedy, there was a dead young lady at the bottom of a pond where the drunken philanderer left her to drown.

But now these two (Billy and nancy225) are joining their Liberal Left anti-gun Democrats in simply throwing out the Constitutional 6th Amendment presumption of innocence and due process in favor of lynching white men and expecting them to prove their innocence... while not holding their own kind to the same standards. So much for equal justice under the law as per the 14th Amendment.

Does anyone here think these two would favor an FBI investigation, or prosecution of any of the Liberals on the Supreme Court if some Republicans accused them of sexual assault?

By the way, here's one of many references explaining how easy it is to beat a polygraph test, and how inaccurate they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3fHkCFxgQQ



Don't forget to e-mail your Senators. A fax or letter is great, but my Senators have always acknowledged my e-mails too. They don't simply get thrown out. They also figure that less then one percent of their constituents bother to contact them, so your e-mail means a lot more than you might think.

The political divide is a hazard to us all and to our country.Republicans are outraged that Kavanaugh isn't sailing through. Democrats were outraged that Obama's appointee couldn't get a hearing since , as Mitch M.pointed out, it was only a year before elections. If a year is too little time to confirm a SC judge, then surely there is time now to get to the bottom of these accusations. Anyone who did one of the things Kavanaugh is accused of, one of the things Clinton did, one of the things Roy Moore did doesn't deserve to hold a public position. It's not a partisan issue. Both parties play it, but everyone here can see that it's every bit as bad on one side as the other. It's the damnd partisan warfare that we ought to be upset about, not those on the other side.

Black, Hispanic and female employment, and for Bill their wages, are all humming along pretty nicely. Not bad, I'd have never known all the hoops they would have to jump through for their 'job interview'.

The divide that you peddle here is incidental and to be expected. The generations, that you assume will follow it, are the hazard, to them and you.

Like a broken record, if you are outraged by the use of h.reid's nuke option, why not complain about it to your dems? It'll fall on deaf ears, but you do know there're a few dems that have said that when they regain power, they should eleiminate the nuke option and go back to the sixty vote margin. You could have a dream, no matter the divide that you push or the make up of congress, they'd have to work together, eh?

Again like a broken record, I look forward to you joining Republicans and calling for you progressives to reject the policy and direction that you allow ellison to dictate to you through talking points. Not because he's divisive and wrong, but because he batters women, eh? Okay, I'll start, is it time for an investigation?

Clarence Thomas is no Democrat.

Not if you look at the numbers that matter Craig. The U3 unemployment measurement was brought to you by Obama. If you look at the U6 rate that up until the previous administration had been the standard we used for unemployment we are at 7.4%. Hardly the picture of a robust economy we are being sold.

Wage growth? Barely keeping up with inflation after 20 years of stagnation.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...ed-for-decades/

As a matter of fact, I do believe credible accusations ought to be thoroughly investigated-- across all parties. What pisses me off about the politics here is the automatic presumption that a Democrat must endorse every misguided thing done by Democrats. I'd never assume anyone here automatically endorsed Ray Moore. There are enough awful people to go around. All parties have their share of them. Keep an open mind.

We can all pick and choose what to believe and there're are heaps more stats and polls where those came from, no big deal. What I do notice Steve, is what you describe as ho hum, is a distinct economic upswing that started just a bit under two years ago. If we are scrapping along at the bottom of the barrel now, where were your thoughts on the economy a few years ago?

Craig.....you know, I know and Trump knows the economy is a mess. Has been for years. That is what Trump was elected on remember? It began with NAFTA, credit Bush 41 for negotiating it and Slick Willie for signing it. Both parties sold the working class out. Purchasing power peaked in the early 70's. I know, not the party line I should be busy shouting in this time of oh so important mid-term elections.

On the bright side the top 1% of taxpayers received 20% of the tax reductions the Republicans are so proud of.

Thank goodness someone is looking out for the working man.

I'd love to see the recent bank account deposits of the Kavanaugh accusers......

kstt, an FBI investigation would get to that topic in a minute. Would you like to see that investigation go forward?

Steve, without checking your figures I don't doubt that the top 1% got 20% of the tax reductions. They were the ones paying the taxes, so they would naturally get more benefit from the reduction. It would be devilish hard to reduce the taxes of people not paying any to begin with. Just a thought...Geo

[quote=SKB It began with NAFTA...

Unilateralist Canadians are the problem with NAFTA. They need to join the rest of Norte America and get with the program.


“On the bright side the top 1% of taxpayers received 20% of the tax reductions...”

...and paid 50% of all income taxes. Thanks rich dudes.


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Like mobile flash mobs, I don't think "witnesses" get paid much anymore...Geo

Zealots work for free. Their accounts are so vague and full of inconsistencies that they carry no weight with me. Before you derail a Supreme Court nominee at midnight hour you need more than a accusation so flimsy and so unsubstantiated that dates back decades. Worse no person has stepped forward to give testimony in support of the claims. All have strongly denied them but a denial is dismissed while a accusation is accepted by the press. Even the NYTimes declined to run with the second claim and they at no strong Republican supporter.

Where is the presumption of innocence? If any man can have his entire life ruined by such a accusation then this country is truly lost and you have no rights at all. None.

Geo.,
I myself am very comfortable with the top tier paying a higher tax rate. Before it was lowered it was still well below the historical tax rates on the top tier. Indeed many of the poor do not pay taxes. Very few people intentionally remain poor to take advantage of the lower rate. We are slow turning in to a country of haves and have not's. The wealthy in this country are amassing a huge portion of the over all wealth. They should be taxed upon it in my view. Passing the tax burden on to the middle class is not an improvement in my view.
Steve

We agree on that...Geo

Unless you're one of the rich dudes, their tax break will cost you. Celebrating their gratuitous gain is like cheering for a man who has a knife against your throat. Trump was partly right. The system is rigged. It's just not rigged the way he says it
is. Life isn't fair. We have government to offset that unfairness, not to make it worse.

They should consider being a Rock-N- Roll singer.


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https://youtu.be/KK3oh6sNhBQ

If you want guns outlawed and abortion promoted believe all the lies the dems are promoting. Personally I am against gun control but have a problem with abortion. I think it is wrong but somehow I drift toward making it mandatory for the dems.

bill

We have death to offset that unfairness.


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I’ve always felt that eliminating taxes on the lower income earners was a mistake. They have no skin in the game and want more because they know they are not paying for it. If even a little came out of their own pocket they would see increasing taxes as a negative thing. Right now they only see it as a positive thing because it means more money to get a “fair share” of for them not another bill to pay. Somebody else is paying for it so it’s ok.

I wish our founding fathers had included mandatory militia service for everyone and the vote being given to any tax payers. I know why they did not. They hated the concept of a standing army and thought taxes of any type were anathema. But given two years service a lot of people could become better trained, better educated and more likely to earn a decent income.

Just the same I think I'll take my tax break anyway. It may not save me as much as it does Mr. Gottrocks, but I'm still doing better than I was...Geo

Yes, it's called Socialism.
JR

Judge Kavanaugh is eminently qualified to be on the Supreme Court. So was the guy obama put up. If the republicans don't have to guts to get Kavanaugh confirmed before the tides changes, they will regret it...Geo

Which has always made everything worse for everyone, until it morphs into communism and a whole new set of the privileged get on top of the pile...Geo

If you want to see concentrated wealth and power look at Socialist and communist countries. When everything is controlled by the party you end up with extreme concentration of wealth and power with zero opportunity for upwards mobility. I’ll pay my taxes for my little share of what I have.

It does annoy me when others who do nothing seem to be doing just as well. I put five kids through college and two through medical school and they could not even qualify for a free parking pass. It was like in school when I got 100’s and the “dunce” got promoted every year. Same outcome, both high school graduates until he had no skills to make a real living. The kindness of social promotions allowed him to graduate high school with zero chance to make a decent living. Today he is living on workers comp or early SS disability. A life spent with no future, just a day to day getting by.

KY Jon, Mandatory military service for all can't work. We could never absorb that number. Mandatory national service of some kind could be great. I wish we had the political will to do it. As for the military, the draft would make it lots fairer. If kids from middle and upper class families served, we'd be a lot less inclined to take on interventions we don't need or can't win.

Apparently this Kavanaugh guy only sexually assaults far left progressive women. Strange.

I am deeply troubled by all the misogyny and male chauvinism that has been intersectionalized and brought into the light by this Blasey-Ford woman remembering or misremembering whatever it was while she took ecstasy during a therapy session.

Never believe anything a psychology professor says.

These republican wimps. Everyone knows women lie and scheme a lot, especially about these things. Kavanauught should find his balls and just say so. CNN can go apoplectic for a couple days and then nobody will care. #metoobullshit

No Bill, not really, and you can check with SKB on this. Very few of us can rely on the graces of the ultra rich to shower us with money, but I doubt you or I could create the jobs that could put a meaningful amount of folks to work. I wouldn’t quite say you folks are outright fibbing, but weren’t the ‘tax cuts’ that are not going sunset, corporate?

How else, Bill, would you bring that money back home to give joe average American the chance to work for that ultra rich ceo/owner? Would you prefer if some foreigner had that cash to horse trade with you for a rifle or commission SKB to do a slick restoration? But of course, that foreigner would be spending US corporate money in their country, eh?

To John Roberts: Yes, there is socialism. It includes public schools, your fire department and police protection, the roads and bridges you drive on, etc etc. What is your quarrel with these things? For everyone to pay for those services every needs or deserves is not a bad thing. It's called civilization. If you aren't comfortable with it, emigrate to Yemen where it doesn't exist.

Nah Bill, what you described is civilization being supported by Capitalism. Where it goes wrong is where 50% don't help pay for those services and insist upon additional expenditures to be for their benefit alone...Geo

This is precious. Please by all means go out & get the grassroots movement going on this line. Liberal Dems wouldn't stand a chance against this message.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/politics/ted-cruz-kavanaugh-protesters.html

Looks like people are getting sick of old white men telling rape victims they weren't raped. Who could of imagined?

I want to hear the lady's testimony under oath at a hearing. Has she asserted she was raped?...Geo

The Professor's description was of attempted rape.

One thing that makes zero sense is the reluctance of the committee to vet these accusations with an FBI investigation. If there is certainty that this all made up, then wouldn't an FBI investigation reveal the falsehood and the the accuser could be confronted with it at the hearing? Would that achieve the best result for Kavanaught? The reluctance to investigate creates more questions then just investigating the allegation.

IF she ever testifies under oath, I'll listen regarding the "attempted Rape" as well as other testimony at the hearing. I have to admit up front I don't believe a word of her story...Geo

Of course I'm just a pasty old white man, so what do I know!

Here is a comparison few people want to hear. I remember one of them robbing a bank I was in 25 years ago. No video exist. No physical evidence of any type. No other people remember them doing it in fact all questioned about it say they did not do it. But still since I remember it they have to prove they did not do it.

I was not there when she says this happened. No one was from what I understand. Maybe not even her as this might all be a drug induced memory. Look up recovered memories. My late sister in law had a sister claim her father abused her as a teenager. He was dead for a decade by then. Split the family apart. In time, the time line proved her father was stationed over seas for all but two months. She claimed it happened repeatedly for two years. In the end it was decided it was all a recovered memory that her therapist had accidentally or deliberately implanted in her mind.

I don’t know if either female is right. I can only go by what facts they have. None so far. But I do know a accusation is not proof. So it comes down to who you believe. A person who has answered 3,000 questions and passed six FBI checks or someone who can’t remembet time, place, others present because all her whitnesses say absolutely did not happen. Plus she’s is still saying testifying under oath is a burden until the FBI investigates. It’s all a stall. Enough already. Grow a set of balls and move for the vote.

Three accusers now, not two. At this rate, there may be 4 or 5 accusers by the end of the week. Sure is weird how quickly a republican can rack up a bunch of sexual assault allegations... if they only had a dime for each one they wouldn't need campaign donations so much!

Can't lynch somebody without a mob...Geo

a mob, who's participants have no idea of the existence of the other participants? Seems hard to coordinate who's doing what with respect to the lynching.

Boys trying to get girls naked while drinking. I believe it. I sure do not think it sounds like attempted rape though. Typical kegger in my HS.

I'm with you Geo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imNRmIujsPk

https://youtu.be/lAJB6HsYiNA


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Maybe my reference to a lynch mob went too far. Perhaps just an attempted lynch mob...Geo

Are the "victims" all Democrat?

In fairness, I don’t think the word “attempt” makes a lick of difference to the victim, in either a lynching or a raping.

You know what I meant. Nice try at diversion, though. Trump voters don't emigrate, they stay here, vote, and Make America Great Again. I think you are much better suited to the Yemeni way of life, Bill.
JR

Hey Einstein, there's nothing to investigate. Nothing, nowhere, nobody. It just as well have happened on Mars. 36 years ago and now, all of a sudden, you/she wants an investigation that would go nowhere because there's nowhere to start. This woman and you yourself know this is nothing but a contrived tactic by the Abortionist Left who are hoping to do in Trump's SCOTUS picks> It would happen to any of his picks going forward. Nothing but sick hate from the atheistic secular idiot Democrats. Rest assured, Satan approves.
JR

Great truth spoken here:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/2...er-to-vote.html
JR

Ford will back out of perjuring herself under oath. I suspect it’s all delay tactic. They probably can’t keep Kavanaugh off the court but, they can delay just long enough that he will miss the entire next SCOTUS term, leaving the bench 4-4. That’s the best deal the Dem’s can get now.

nca, do you wear your butt plug all the time, or do you give yourself occasional breaks?

It is not the function of government to offset the unfairness in life. The function of government is to provide those things that people either can’t provide for themselves or are more efficiently provided by the government. Police, fire, national defense and the like. And when you speak of unfairness, you really should be considering unfairness of opportunity not unfairness of result. Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet all have a little more money than me. Is that unfair? Nope. They had the ideas to start companies or wisely invest and I didn’t. When you say that gov’t exists to offset unfairness, all you are saying is that the gov’t should confiscate property from one group and give it to another. That is immoral in my book.

This is both idiotic and dishonest. There was an FBI Investigation of the accusations made against Justice Clarence Thomas, and he was cleared and subsequently confirmed. Yet Libtards like you and rocky mtn bill still consider him guilty.

rocky mtn bill said exactly that earlier in this thread. An FBI Investigation of a 36 year old allegation with no witnesses is simply another disingenuous attempt to delay the confirmation vote... just like Dianne Feinstein sitting on this baseless accusation since July, and waiting until now to bring it out. It is "He said... she said" and in the end there would be no finding of wrongdoing by Kavanaugh, or no charges of perjury against Ford. And Libtards will still consider him guilty no matter what he might do to prove his innocence. It wouldn't matter if he had proof that he was in an Apollo space capsule circling the moon when the alleged attempted rape occurred.

This is why there is partisan bickering. You didn't see this level of low life dishonesty when the last few Liberals were confirmed. This crap comes from the same filthy Democrats liars who promise to respect the 2nd Amendment, and then try to ban guns and ammunition. They cannot be trusted.

well, hit is time for da carters, da clintons an da bummers to awl cum to getter, (digustin thought ah no), an condem dis callus, self serving attempt on the part of the radical anarchist in da senate to destroy this good mans reputation and his nomination to the supreme court...we have a system of gubmint an civility in dis country that is bein ignored and disrespected by sum in power...our former dim leaders need to remind de utter dims, dat watt cums round goes round...an for da good o de country, we need to jes let the system work, as hit is so masterfully laid out in da constitution...

utterwise, dis hole sorry affair is gonna backfire on da dims cum election time in november...rational voters gonna ax jes one question...are these dims duh kinda people we want runnin our gubmint in washington? sorry, as it may sound, we need some dims in congress, in order to put a balance on thangs...neva a good idea to git too much of ah good thang...no watt ah mean...

Anyone who makes the authoritarian left lose their sh!t this hard, definitely has my support. MAGA.

Regardless of whether Kavanaugh is confirmed or not, they'll keep pushing and pushing, disillusioning more and more centrist voters, and thereby deliver Trump 2020 with a bow on top. Then maybe they'll finally all self-deport like they promised the first time around.

THIS IA A SMEAR JOB. Accusing the man of something he MAY have done in school - what, 40 years ago? No action taken at that time, now it's suddenly an issue? BS

read dis...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/2...ns-america.html

The interesting thing is that no matter what the woman testifies to she won't be convicted of perjury because her "memories" are the result of hypnotic suggestion by her shrink. Smooth...Geo

A Catholic priest rapes little boys 40 years ago, and there is outrage (and multi-million dollar settlements).

A supreme court nominee assaults women 35 years ago, and it never happened.

You are a hypocrite, unless you side with the priests as well... and you may.

You are a dummy, Ben. The rapes of altar boys are proven. The "groping" isn't. It is only an accusation. Are you really that dense?

SRH

I think words like 'investigate' might have him feeling a little empowered.

lil Einstein thinks this is just a job interview. At least cautious folks like the gal's lawyer are trying to lower the tingle up the leg bar. I don't understand, if nca wants an investigation, why politic about it here? Why not just spam ellison to make him defend nca's right, entitlement?, to investigations at will? Oh well, Friday's a new day, starting around 9:30 AM.

If I was thinking the same thing, is that sorta like I'm a metoo er? Where's Bill, isn't he-n-gg on the same page with this sort of thing?

Stan: show us a photo of a priest in the act, show us a DNA match to him, show us sworn fresh witnesses. Was priest rape "proven" per the legal standards being demanded in Kavanaugh's case? Hardly.

You don't need photos when the priests admitted guilt ........dummy. Or, is admission of guilt non-admissible in your book? I'll guess "Yes, non-admissible".

SRH

Another left wing einstein who didn't read what the gal's lawyer had to say. The most important standards to me are the ones that show who the true friends of the sporting gun are.

Most the priests for which settlements were distributed are dead. Who dumb?

You, for attempting this ridiculous analogy. Strange, the folk who show up here that have thrown in with the abortion crowd who want this man’s life destroyed. Pure evil.
JR

And in Hell for their actions.

Answer to your question is .....You for your entire line of argument. In city after city the Church has admitted guilt or been found guilty in a court of law of covering up these crimes. And it is not just a few low priest. Some rose to considerable rank and very important positions.

The last time Grouse Guy was here, he was dumping more of his Liberal Left anti-lead ammo propaganda. The funny part was, the article he cited didn't even remotely say what Grouse Guy claimed.

This is called "Takiyya", or lying for the faith.

It is commonly practiced by the immoral Liberal Left Democrats who feel the ends justify the means. Even if that means destroying a man and humiliating his family and presuming guilt on the hearsay of an accuser who has no evidence. Remember, these are fools who fight for the right to dismember near full term babies and to permit Planned parenthood to sell their body parts. But they defend the lives of convicted murderers and argue for parole for rapists.

Yeah, they really respect women. I'm kinda liking Bill Schodlatz's idea of mandatory abortion for Democrats. I was hoping this wouldn't degenerate into a debate with idiots and liars. These are people who could easily pass a lie detector test, because they believe their bullshit.

I don't think the demo'rats believe the lying liberal bee'itch themselves.

What I can't understand is why protesters that harass a goverment official in public with or without their family are not prosecuted ?...especially when it's easily proven they are being paid by the terrorist George Soros

sent email to both nh senators...this is response from one..

Goillini, I did not mean that government should directly redistribute wealth. By unfairness I meant what the Declaration says about being created equal. My goal is equality of opportunity. People are not, and cannot be made, equal. But we have government to improve people's chances of success and to keep the pursuit of happiness from being dog-eat-dog.

Are you referring to the Declaration the way a judge Kavanaugh would apply it equally to all as written, or the way a kegan and sotomayor would imagine that it lives and breathes?

For the purposes of progressive agenda, do you ever achieve your goals?

Those of you saying you want the rich to pay their "fair share" of taxes, don't really mean that. The top 1% earns 17% of US total income and pays 46% of total income taxes. The top 20% earns 51% of total US income and pays 84% of total income taxes. If we really had the rich pay their "fair share" it would mean a huge tax break for them and huge tax increases for lower earners.

Don't beat yourselves up. It doesn't matter. A confessed sexual predator was voted president by half the country. His nominee will be the next Supreme Court judge. Keep cool. All this will pass.

The "goals" rocky mtn bill desires have been tried many times...

Right now, we see the typical results in Venezuela, which may soon become the first economy in history to experience one million percent inflation. Now that's sure gonna help the little guy.

I'm not sure what more Billy could possibly want from people who work for a living and earn more than him. He has demonstrated that he is a retired English teacher who cannot spell, and who cannot read and understand history. Yet he drew a paycheck and generous public employee benefits, and now gets a pension, Social Security, and Medicare. But he still whines about the greedy rich who already pay a much higher percentage of their earnings than he ever did.... even though they produce things and actually create the jobs that support his lifestyle and his incessant whining and bitching.

The big question is this... why does he pollute the double shotgun forum with his Socialist dogma and support for anti-gun Democrats, but hides that crap from his pals who inhabit the Classic and Custom Rifle forum?

And there's another anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist who conveniently forgets that he supported rapists and misogynists like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy. What a complete fraud!

I am a Canadian. I wouldn't be part of this depressing and regressive mess, if I could. I declared here I had no love for Clintons. Americans will get through this, after all other options are tried. They always do. Keep cool.

Complete and total lie.
JR

This whole charade being foisted on Brett Kavanaugh is straight out of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". The Democrats' new playbook for the past 10 years. Lunatic fringe.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/searc...amp;action=view
JR

Contacting your Senators is good and email is quick as well as phone calls to DC and their state offices, but a number of congressional visit conversations ( I provided security to all CODELs to Iraq in 2004) showed me the biggest impact is written letters in human handwriting. They have become so rare that they significantly stand out. Do spend the time to legibly write out clear concise thoughts and get it in the mail.

Use your own words or a variation of those above, as cookie cutter copies of the same words dilute your impact.

True, but it's too late in the game for snail mail, Old Colonel.
JR

JR, " A complete and total lie." You must have access to some exclusive evidence. Please publish it so that the rest of the world can stop worrying that our President is a predator.

Even in Canada the burden of proof is on the accuser. In a civil case on a balance of the probabilities i.e. more likely than not. Can any objective person say it is more likely than not that Judge Kavanaugh did what he is accused of? Do you liberal types really want to say that a mere accusation, no matter how unsupported, is enough to disqualify someone? That knife cuts both ways.

I’m concerned it might take one to know one. Can you pardon yourself?

I haven't said Kavanaugh is guilty or disqualified. Those who say he's innocent simply can't know what they claim. Let a thorough investigation show what it will.

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https://vimeo.com/204231059

I thought you were a fan of Clinton and the Kennedys, King. What am I missing?

3rd accuser is putting her money where her mouth is.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/26/third-kavanaugh-accuser-is-decorated-us-government-employee/

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me three times...

3 independent allegations of severe sexual misconduct. There's something there that should be investigated, especially with the credibility of the third accuser. Smart play would be to pass on Brett and move on to the next guy on the list, But then again it's Trump were are talking about.

Maybe a directive from Moscow could fix this mess?

I've been reluctant to say anything about this whole thing until now but here it goes. I am what you might call a conservative that votes for Democrats when I think they are qualified, that is until now. I told my wife that I am getting old and cranky but I wouldn't vote for a Democrat in the coming election if God were running for office on the Democratic ticket - how plain can that be!

The Democrats do not get it, they have lost my vote. I actually would like to express my feelings with Senator Schumer personally so I could shove those glasses up his a$$. I'm a pretty good size guy so I think I could get the job done!

I feel better now!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-friends-describes-moment-153000600.html

So either Professor Ford had the foresight to lay the seeds of this vast conspiracy against powerful white men a number of years ago, by pre-empting current facts with then lies about the assault, or the Judge, as evidence by two additional accusers, has a proclivity for sexually assaulting people.

If the GOP were smart they would cut bait on this guy.

Wouldn’t your mantra work better if the fine judge was seated. With snowflakes such as yourself whining, wouldn’t the kremlin be pleased?

Don't know thrifty, my camp isn't the one that needs to convince the other sex that they aren't out to rape them. As for the Kremlin, pretty sure Putin is laughing his way to the bank with your guy in tow. Kind of sucks your new master is so abusive to your long term goals.

Thanks for walking away Doug Mann. Schumer really frosts me too.

Not that it was ever in doubt, but thanks for sharing your resume, again. Thrifty.

James, I admired aspects of the Kennedy family and came close to despising the Clintons. Interviewed couple weeks ago about Robert, I said he was hard to like but was the doer, no interest in popularity. Clintons' avarice disgusted me; if American I would have voted Sanders, authentic. (Declaring an interest, JFK helped me as a reporter when he became president.)

Idiot wind
Blowing every time you move your mouth... Blood on the Tracks


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Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come.
https://youtu.be/rmf1AYgYj6I

An avowed Socialist. Wow, just wow.
JR

We're all socialists now, John. We live in a mixed economy. "Free markets" are a product of big government. Vermont is not a hotbed of socialism.

I commend you for your tolerance and inclusiveness. Maybe, we can agree to split the responsibility? I'll define socialists, and you won't feel the want for more divisiveness? Yes, you can pm nca for the pulse of the proletariat to coordinate the next knee jerk reaction. Oops, I mean join metoo collectively apply the next marching order on who gets borked? But hey, I'm glad justin gets a little break from having to face some economic reckoning with the US. Out of sight, out of mind, eh?

Those damn Canadians all hopped up on soft cheese....


You can smell the brie on their breath from here


Ever feel like the President creates unneeded conflict Craig? I do. The Canadians have been our closest Allie for generations. Just sad his behavior towards them.

Canadians with their beer and hockey. Pffffffttttttt.


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So are we all socialists now or are we all Comrades now?!
(I so confused)

There have been months for these people to come forwards. The fact that they all did do after the committee hearings were completed, at the last minute is just so a crude assignation of his reputation. They looked at his rulings as a judge and found nothing. They looked into his time as a lawyer and found nothing. The looked into his marriage and found nothing.

So they decided to go back and look at his teen years and found ....... a person who can’t remember where, what, when, who but thinks it might be him. It did take her 31 years to fill in the blanks which are constantly changing still but thinks that it had to be that nasty conservative judge, Goursch no Kavanaguhide or what ever is his name. I get confused. If you want to get confused read her letter to Senator Finesteinnemonster.

The grammar, punctuation, syntax, changes of font size, improper use of capitalization is nothing you would expect from a well published PhD. More like letter written by a team of snowflakes. They capitalized High School in the middle of a sentence. Mixed present and past tense constantly so you don’t know now from then. This is not a well thought out letter from a person with multiple degrees who has written hundreds of papers. Maybe from a drug or alcohol induced haze but not from a highly educated person.

The second person is even less believable. Drunk at a party, that I accept. Had him shake his pecker at her. Everybody she remembers might have been there all say it was not him. Again this sudden “memory” came back to her decades later. Or for some reason it never bothered her for decades because there are photographs of her being taken with him and she shows no sign of anything but being in the moment. Trust me if you shake your pecker at a female who has no interest in it she is not taking photos with you on graduation day. That’s her day and she would never taint it that way. Like asking a bride to take a wedding day photo with an ex boyfriend who dumped her. Not going to happen.

The third signed an affidavit that he might have been at parties where girls got drunk or drugged and had sex with multiple partners. No claim he did it. Just might have been there. This from the lawyer for Stormy Davis. Refuses to expand on it. Refuses to provide proof. By the way for five grand I bet they could get a similar affidavit that you too might have been at those parties.

Now a fourth claim. Two boys, one called Brett beat somebody up on a boat in Rhode Island. Then two men went and beat them up. No last names. No whiteness. Just one boy named Brett.

This is such a joke. If you gave this entire group to the FBI six weeks ago it would take them less than a NY second to toss all of them into the trash can. Who knows they might have already. The FBI is not very forthcoming these days. No evidence at all except vague claims from people who claim to also be highly drunk at the time. Every named whiteness says clearly it never happened.

Pick your side and believe what you want. But here is food for thought. I saw you rob a bank ten years ago, can’t remember which bank, where it was or even what exact date, no video proof or others who saw you do it but I think it might be you. Now you have to prove you did not do it. That’s the strongest case they have. Change bank for tried to have sex. Same level of facts and I know, know you did it.

Hahaha! Yeah, we all know that no woman has to ever worry that you would be in any way sexually attracted to her.

Equally funny is the great evidence in the link you posted...
Multiple accusers in multple alleged attacks that allegedly occurred over 35 years ago.... no charges ever filed, even today in a state where there is no statute of limitations ... a polygraph test that involved only two extremely vague questions.... no corroborating witnesses.... another accuser who is certifiably nuts and had a court order to stay away from an ex-boyfriend and his family, who she threatened... And oh my, let's not forgot that this highly credible loyal Democrat soldier claimed she went to at least 10 parties where she knew Kavanaugh was drugging and prepping victims for gang rapes that were never reported, until she was finally gang raped herself.

Then we had the guy who witnessed Kavanaugh and Mark Judge raping girls on a boat... But even after he retracted that false story, sleazy Liberal Left Democrat Senators were still telling that false narrative.

Holy crap... Kavanaugh must be worse than the Golden State rapist, but not one victim ever reported it until he is a heartbeat away from SCOTUS confirmation.

This is great. It shows you Libtards truly lost your minds and have no credibility, and that you cannot be trusted. It proves beyond any doubt that Liberalism is a mental illness. And hopefully it will educate the masses and insure that Kavanaugh will spend the rest of his career remembering how you all tried to screw him, and that he will be a hundred miles to the Right of Scalia.

It's a dispute between the president and Canada, not Canada and the US. The president says he doesn't like our principled, hard-as-nails negotiator, a woman of old immigrant Ukrainian stock. He refuses to talk to prime minister Trudeau. We're not crying, with all our hockey and good beer. We know Americans, their values and traditions, their stake in a prosperous Canada. All this will come to pass. We'll always be good neighbours and friends. The president is entertainment with great hair.

Why can't you stay on-topic King?

And didn't you tell us, numerous times in fact, that you don't want to engage in political and non-double gun discussions? And how 'bout that pure horse-shit that you never liked the Clintons? You never met an anti-gun Democrat you didn't like. Another day... another lie. What else is new?

Members correspond here with each other, often moving to another topic, as do you. I prefer not to comment on the judge. I will clarify an opinion when asked, as above, with anticipation of not stirring politically partisan passions. It would be bullying while our neighbour is in torment. Keep cool, keith. All this will pass.

I commend members to look up Berea College in Kentucky, an old Athens in Appalachia. Nancy and I had dinner couple weeks ago with a board member and president and his wife. Berea is high in the US News and World Report rating but No.1 in the other. Luminous examples of intellect and integrity are all over America.

But I'm not the one who repeatedly stated that I wouldn't engage in political discussions. On the contrary. I feel it is important to not bury our heads in the sand and avoid the very real threats we face from people of your Liberal Left Socialist persuasion... especially the threats you pose to our gun rights.

I'm keeping cool though. It is you Libtards who have lost what little may be left of your minds. Try hawkering loogies down someone else's throat. You haven't fooled me for years.

EDIT: I just saw the Liberal gunsmith SKB reading my post... even though he claims to IGNORE them. And who else noticed this "Independent Moderate" once again bashing only Conservatives in this thread? Pay attention to what he does.... not what he says.

Did anyone else find it amusing that the name chosen for where to report sexual harassment for woman is “ # Me Too “? To most of the world # symbol is seen as the pound sign. So # Me Too, to most of the World, is seen to read “pound me too”. Is that an inside joke, a Freudian slip, a hackers cleaver down or just people blind to what words mean?

Hidden camera footage of Lighthizer and Freeland NAFTA negotiations.

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Hope those CAW workers in Brampton, Oakville, and Oshawa don’t riot after some unfortunate miscalculation.

Whatever it is, it seems to have everyone's attention

More likely Americans displeased by paying more for their vehicles, and shareholders' losses from their US branch-plant investments.

It’ll be fun watching those nutters hopped up on hockey and beer burn Toronto down on CNN though. My Apple profits will make up for any Ford losses...at least if that China man doesn’t get stupid.


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https://youtu.be/0I1Vh-Ru1z0

Ever see a stupid China man?

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https://youtu.be/utoG8LHxw94

I devoted the day to watching the Kavanaugh hearing. Dr. Ford was believable, but the Judge was more so. The academy award though goes to Lindsey Graham. They'll vote in the morning and the full senate will vote next week...Geo

Now there's a racist comment if I ever saw one.

How can we ever realize rocky mtn bill's dream of all men being equal when his fellow Liberal Socialist is touting the mental superiority of certain races?

I'm glad Trump or Brett Kavanaugh didn't say that. We'd never hear the end of it.

Senator Graham put into words exactly how I feel. Good on him.

Only thing this circus proves beyond a doubt is that Democrats are inherently evil.

"Only thing this circus proves beyond a doubt is that Democrats are inherently evil."

I don't like getting involved with politics, but j0e you hit it right on the head. I watched most of the hearing and they are an evil bunch. President Trump was right "if I picked 5 other nominees, they would find fault with every one".

I was sent an email showing all the years after the supposed incident with Brett Kavanaugh 36 years ago.
1983... She said nothing.
1984,
1985,
1986,
1987,
1988,
1989,
1990,
1991,
1992,
1993,
1994,
1995,
1996,
1997,
1998,
1999,
2000,
2001,
2002...She said nothing.
2003...July 25, President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit... She said nothing.
2004,
2005...She said nothing.
2006...May 11, The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate... She said nothing.
2006...June 1, Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy... She said nothing.
2007,
2008,
2009,
2010,
2011...She said nothing.
2012...She remembered 'something' happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh, still said nothing to authorities.
2013,
2014,
2015,
2016,
2017...She becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018...Now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations?
Who does she think she is?.......and then there's this picture of her and George Soros...hmmm....Can anyone else see what's REALLY going on here?

This is a witch hunt also.

George Soros needs to be listed as a domestic terrorist.

To what end? "Listing" is nothing.

He needs to be investigated for subversion. If found that it warrants a trial, by a grand jury, tried and sentenced for the crimes he has committed.

SRH

Stan, it is enough he aided the Nazis in WWII freely. Helped them loot other Jews. Most don't know he was born a Jew but is really agnostic at best. But he not only admits he helped the Germans but justifies it by saying if he did not do it others would have. The day he dies the World will be a better place.

The George Soros connections to Democrat Activist Christine Blasey-Ford are interesting, including strong ties to her lawyer Debra Katz.

Now Soros is a real anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist. So much an anti-gunner that our own anti-2nd Amendment activist King Brown once went on for days with a false accusation that JamesM had made calls for him to be shot on sight, and even ratted out Jim to our site Administrator and Moderator Dave Weber in the hopes of silencing him.

It appears that Kavanaugh's accuser has some troubling skeletons in her closet.

Blasey-Ford-- 54 Sex Partners Before College

Strange that she scrubbed her Facebook page before going public with her accusations. That was where she had posted that "Scalia types must be banned from law". Stranger still that she needed to rely heavily on reading notes to recall the events she has accused Kavanaugh and Mark Judge of, when she claims they are burned into her memory.... burned so indelibly that she can't remember where, when, or who was there... and even goes from telling her therapist there were four boys who attempted to rape her... then changing the story to two boys, etc.

Yet she is 100% sure Kavanaugh attacker her, and our Libtards are 100% sure she is telling the truth.

Maybe an FBI Investigation would help. An FBI Investigation from the same anti-Trump Law Enforcement Agency that brought us James Comey, Robert Mueller, FISA Warrants based upon fake Russian collusion stories paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign... oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

If this crap doesn't motivate people to get off their asses and vote this November, I don't know what will.

I am recently new to the boards but without waiver I will jump in with an ahem to Keith's last post which pretty much about sums it up.

I will add that in my opinion both sides have become as loathsome as I can tolerate but the left political machine is about as criminally reprobate as it comes.

The will of the people voted Trump into the presidency including all the rights, responsibilities and wishes that come with the office.

This latest engineered, weak and shameless assault on the people's will should be treated no less than treasonous tyranny.

God's mercies are the only things that can save us now.

Thanks and back to shotgunning and assault rifling I go.

One question that bothers me is why, if he is innocent of Dr. Ford's accusations, would Brett Kavanaugh refuse to say he'd like an FBI invesigation? She, on the other hand says she'd welcome it. I'm prepared to live with Kavanaugh on the court, but first I want him cleared most conclusively. The hearings made great drama, but they didn't settle anything.

The interesting surprise and disappointment for me is the latitude that Grassley allowed. Protesters were heard, grand standing time over runs were allowed, and this late hour circus was held. There's no doubt in my mind that dems in control would've just shut it down without facing question.

One thing that's clear is dems were unable to criticize and make a case against his judicial qualifications, not necessarily because of the judge's attributes, but because of the IQ of most of them and their base. If dems really wanted this nominee removed and believed their talking points, I'd think all they have to do is get him charged with a crime.

Hmmm, refuse, Bill?

Maybe, he knows the law and would protect you against a pro American patriot using the weight of the government to investigate you? Of course you would be okay to see him seated, you have the luxury of knowing that he wouldn't penalize you for being an old white guy like kagen and sotomayor do. Thanks a lot, eh, Senator Graham for voting yes on both of them.

Stunning the press has not explored False Memory Syndrome and "Recovered Memory Therapy"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome

http://www.gspalaw.com/repressed-memory-real-or-fantasy/

https://www.webmd.com/men/features/false-memories#1

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/07/sexual-abuse-false-memory-syndrome

Long version
https://kspope.com/memory/memory.php

It was reported that the committee asked for her permission to review the records of her therapist. The request was denied by her lawyers.

A nominee for the SC has no immunity from investigation and should welcome the chance to prove the accusations false. Kavanaugh's right to privacy is subordinate to the country's right to know that he is fit for a lifetime appointment. Ford is clearly not politically motivated. That she's been used is clear but doesn't make her a liar.

Bill: she is not a liar because her hippocampus "100% believes". If this had gone to criminal proceedings, her medical records would have been subpoenaed, as they would be in an FBI investigation, allowing months of legal wrangling by her attorneys, accomplishing the Dems objective.
And the FBI can subpoena Judge or anyone else, which they would also resist...for months.

The dems wish for FBI was to delay, not to find truth. If it was to find truth it would have been brought out in July.

In the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. The accused has no obligation to disprove anything especially something that is said to have happened at an unknown place at an unknown time .

She says she'd like an investigation. There is no criminal charge here. Of course innocent until proven, but this is no court of law. I'm not speaking here for either party. I'm only saying that Ford is convincing enough to warrant further effort to confirm or deny her story.

Lecturing about "alternative facts" when you start tossing about the terms "sexual offender"and "sexual predator" should tell anyone who reads this thread how little you have to offer in regard to anything that is straight forward and honest.

He was investigated by the FBI, 6 times over the span of his career. Nothing even remotely related to this woman's story was found, and still would not be.

And she lied, gladly. This woman is a pink-vagina-hat wearing liberal far left loon, well-schooled in that movement, who will say or do anything to defeat Trump's agenda, but more so to protect the ability of misguided young women to have their unborn/unwanted babies killed in the womb and their body parts sold under the guise of "a woman's right to choose". This isn't difficult in the least to see, afaic.
JR

The FBI only takes statements. A 503 is not a charge or even an opinion. It is a report, "this person said this". These people have given a sworn statement. Nothing more will be gained by stalling for time. In point it would only weaken Ford's case. Her medical records would be opened, her entire life would come under the microscope. If the Democrats wanted the truth they would have done this two months ago, kept Ford name a secret and given the FBI time to do the job without ruining her life and the Judges. Every FBI back ground check comes across rumors and unsubstantiated charges. Most by crack pots, but some worth looking into. This was not a last minute fact, they came across, they had it for two months. Prepared her for months. Hid her for weeks. Lied about where she was, lied about her being unable to fly, lied about everything. They did it because they believed it was too flimsy to hold up. No other reason to hold it back. The Senator could easily take it to the committee and the FBI. The FBI could have sniffed it out and given them a answer six weeks ago. But they knew then and still know now, the answer would be exactly what they got. Only she remember her version and everyone she claims was there says it never happened. Even her best friend at the time. Sworn statements.

Where they failed is to set up the Judge in his questions. Ask him about alleged assaults and then release this bombshell at five minutes to midnight. Senator Feinstein looked like a moron when asked if she asked her staff if they had leaked the letter. Of course she asked them unless she directed them to do it herself. This has been nothing but a calculated farce. They used Ford just like they throw everybody else they need to under the bus. She is an means to and end and they don't give a damn about her. It is all power, screw the little people.

I thought his journals were excellent. Bet you they had no dream that he had records detailing where he was on a daily basis 35 years ago. He could tell you where he was, with whom, what he was doing with great clarity. All she could do was say she remembers being attacked, somewhere she can not remember, on a day, week or month, she can not remember by a person who she is sure was Kavanaugh. Even her friend swore under penalty of perjury it did not happen. And trust me if she got attacked she wold remember at least the house, the date or how she got there at least.

I think the most likely explanation is that this is a recovered memory or a distortion of her memory to fit her set of non facts.
How can anyone be 100% sure of a 35 year old memory and repeatedly be unable to remember things a week to a month ago like she did in her testimony? A jury would take five minutes to toss this out, not that any sane prosecutor would ever bother to bring charges like this. Selective memory or a troubled mind but zero facts to back anything up. Absolutely zero.

My late sister in law had a sister who had "recovered" memories of being molested by her deceased father. It split that family apart for most of a year. Then, when they got into details they all concluded the timeline was impossible. The deceased father was out of the country, serving overseas, for the entire time this "molestation" occurred. In the end, they found out that a therapist had implanted the recovered memories. The therapist lost a malpractice suit on another case and is no longer allowed to practice because they had done this to multiple people. Ruined dozens of lives.

whatever happened almost forty years ago, when kavanaugh was 17, is irrelevant to his suitability now, to serve as a justice on the supreme court of the land.

Truth spoken here.
JR

I like the way they had Alyssa Milano interviewed, she said she was invited by the big liar, Ms. Feinstein. She is a good one to have, I guess Ms. Feinstein never saw some of the movies she did.
Milano said she was there for woman's rights, yeah.

If some Republican guy claimed that Sotamoyer, Ginsberg, or Kagan had groped or molested him, does anyone here think that rocky mtn bullshit would call for an investigation or declare them unfit for a lifetime job on the Supreme Court?

Or what if a Republican girl claimed that Steven Breyer attempted to rape her 35 years ago.... or even 35 days ago?

I think we all know, or at least we should know, that Billy would adamantly oppose any investigations or sanctions of any kind against one of his Anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Left Democrats.

And the same goes for nca225, King, and the self proclaimed Independent Moderate SKB.

One of the commentators on CNN last night said it best. We are in a "Cold Civil War". The Democrats realize this, and they are actively fighting it. They don't give a fat rat's ass about collateral damage or how many innocent people they destroy.

The sooner Conservatives wake up to this fact, the better chance we have of keeping this nation from swirling down into a Socialist toilet.

Clearly, you’re speaking from a woman’s point of view. Would it be possible to have any male identifying investigators? And, how would we know what they figured out with all their investigating if they just shut up? Since it’s not a court of law, shouldn’t booker be investigated to determine if he had a real sparticus moment or lied?

keet: nough wid da personal attacks...you are actin lik ah dim again...

so watt next?

suspect mcconnell will not have the votes without this fbi report...if so, then the full senate should immediately vote to request the president to order the fbi to do a three day investigation of ms. ford's accusation, looking for evidence of a crime, not yet discovered...if they start tuesday, they can be done thursday, so the senate can then vote on kavanaugh's confirmation on friday next...its now up to mcconnell and the pres to make this happen, and happen quick...however, it would be amazing if the wheels of gubmint could turn that fast...

There are a total of five people they need to talk to. Two spoke yesterday. The others have all submitted a sworn affidavit on the issue. Each back the Judge. I suspect they all have lawyers now. But point is they are all well known and easily located. If the FBI wanted to do this it should not take more than two days. Third day to submit the report. But what happens when the report just restates what every witness has said to this point? Do you think for a second the Democrats will say well that's it, we tried and the FBI could not find anything? Not a chance, it will be more delay and more crying that all the other claims now need to be investigated.

I truly hate what the modern Democratic party has become. Anti male, anti white, anti christian, extreme PC and extreme in every position, cynical and condescending to those they claim to serve. The Liberals have destroyed the Democratic party. The hippies won the peace and destroyed the Democratic party. Hell, we don't need communist or socialist we've got Democrats.

I disagree with this statement. If he is currently lying about what he did 40 years ago, that in my opinion would disqualify him. If a thorough investigation shows nothing to support Dr. Ford's or the other accusers assertions, I believe Judge Kavanaugh has the credentials to be a very effective supreme court judge.

It is all about stalling until after the election. When he is gone, the next guy Trump puts up for scrutiny will be more middle of the road assuming that at least one of the houses go Democrat. That is what they are hoping for.

It may be stalling or it may be as the Democrats describe. What did the Republicans expect after not taking up the Merick Garland nomination at all. That was 293 days. Both parties are wrong.

I think both political parties at least know we are at war now. Too bad for America...Geo

tom: interesting that you changed the scenario, in order to disagree with the statement that what happened almost forty years ago is irrelevant...obviously if kav is proven to have lied recently under oath, then that would most likely sink him...that is why the fbi stall should be avoided, if the votes are there now to confirm kav...if not, then trump's gotta roll the dice and hope the feds find nothing that suggests kav is fibbin...

Newt gets it

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/2...h-travesty.html

"Ford’s testimony was emotionally compelling. It is clear that something happened to her – but she knows as a professional psychologist that 36 years after an event, people can vividly remember things that didn’t actually happen."

Things are going to get hot for the Dems and the accusers when the subpoenas start flying.

tom: and agreed, garland's nomination should have been given the traditional due process of advise and consent by the senate...to not do so set a bad example for future confirmation hearings...

however, if obama had negotiating skills, he could have at least tried to cut a deal with mcconnell...as history has proven obama is very lacking in the interpersonal skills necessary to turn ones enemies into ones friends, at least long enough to get them to do what you want...

Both parties?

harry reid invented the nuclear option. Why exactly would a Republican have even the slightest obligation, moral or otherwise, to vote for a dem nominee? Is it really being suggested that a garland was an ideological equivalent of a Justice Scalia? barry had Republican support that confirmed both his previous nominees. It meant nothing, or at least he didn't hesitate to sweep the last bit of senate traditions and decorum right out the door, eh?

The last prez wanted to tip the balance flat out knowing he would not get Republican support. Regular plain ole dems are just dupes. All barry was looking for was an election year wedge to stir up the base for hill. An excellent jurist means nothing more to dems than garland was going to be solely responsible for swinging America to the left by legislating from the bench. His nomination intent was by no means to keep all Americans equal.

Hmmm, Republicans didn't take up a hearing as are allowed by the rules, and a booker, harris and hirono can say the foulest things without consequence, because we're all the same. Sheesh.

Maybe so, Geo, but where would we be as a nation if the R's were still playing politics as if they are door mats? What would a jeb have said in response to this round of hyper borking, some mexican language platitude?

Yup.....Harry Reid make a huge mistake opening Pandora's box by changing the Senate rules. You hit that one on the head.

This is a real joke. If Tom C. could be honest about his Liberal Left persuation, he might be able to admit that the Liberal Democrats don't care about the truth at all.

Does he really expect us to believe that Lying Brian Williams cares about the truth???? How about all of his precious lying Democrat politicians who promise to not infringe upon the rights of law abiding citizens, but then they do all they can to restrict guns, ammunition, hunting, etc.????

And who can forget the self-righteous indignation toward Kavanaugh from Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal? I'm sure he would like us all to forget about his claim that he served in the military in Vietnam combat. Only problem was... It was all a lie. He never served in Vietnam. But that won't stop loyal Libtards from supporting him over Kavanaugh. We could go on for days about Democrats lies, including many right here from rocky mtn bill and King. To suggest they give a crap about truthfulness is an insult to normal intelligence. This is all about stalling and delay, and RINO Sen. Jeff Flake is no different than the Democrats in this game.

Does anyone think that Tom C. would ever admit that it was one of his Democrats who proclaimed that a lame duck President should never get to seat a Supreme Court Justice? Hint: that was from none other than Joe Biden. And isn't it sweet to see Harry Reid's decision on the nuclear option come back to bite Liberals who thought it was perfectly fine to tip the balance in their favor?

We are on the verge of a new day where no white man has the right to defend himself from slander or false accusations. And it's high time we understand that Libtards are a danger to more than our gun rights. We criticized Obama for refusing to acknowledge the threat from Muslim terrorists. But any of us who ignore the threat from Liberal Left Democrats is just as bad.

This entire BS farce of a Democratic call for FBI investigation is another example of the old joke "the horse may learn to sing". Look it up if you are not so old you have heard that joke many times before. Anyways, the gist is that the Democrats know with absolute certainty that there is no truth to these charges, they just want time. So they pretend to support them. Time for some other evidence to appear out of the past. Even if it is still being created right now.

Ford almost certainly has recovered memories or fragments of them. But you can not take her word over everyone else word. Her female friend has absolutely no reason to lie, has more reason to support her but clearly, says it did not happen. Everybody she claims was there, says clearly it did not happen and every bit of her memory except to claim it was the Judge is so foggy she can not give you location, date, how she got there, whom she came with, who took her home, whose party it was, what color was the house, anything factual at all. Her one beer must have propranolol in it to erase her memory of 90% of what happened. I would love to see her medical record and see what drugs she has been taking for the last 35 years. I bet 99% of this entire thing is therapy and Pharmacological induced. I've dealt with people taking long term meds for depression, anxiety and psychological problems and her side effects are a lot like theirs. Spotty memories, clear in one area, gone in others, intense but distorted or just out right bat shit crazy sometimes.

She should go back to the beach and stick her shameful head into the sand...if after 2 hours she's still alive I'd believe her.

Kinda like a witch dunking...

Re Ford, Why did she not use the downstairs bathroom? She needed 2 front doors on her house, she blames poor grades in college on Kavanaugh......and now she has a PhD in psychology. She’s nuts, clear and simple in my opinion.

KJ. "Dems know with absolute certainty there is no truth to these charges.." Please tell us all how they could know that. Please tell us all how you know they know that. I'm tired of reading crap here from people who repeatedly state with ab solute conviction things that they can't possibly know. If you believe something, fine. To state something as factual when it is not knowable is either delusion or lying.

Bill, just by your emotional comments, isn't that enough 'fact' for you that Republicans are barking up the right tree? By your own standard, isn't it fair to say that every time you comment off topic, you're 'delusional or lying'?

You have your investigation. Why don't your gloat and do a back flip for now, and not loose sight of the facts as they reveal themselves about a week from now, okay? I hope your gal has a razor sharp phd level ability to cram for her finals. Wasn't it Anita Hill that was sunk by facts she was unable to reconcile?

Don't worry, this gal will certainly be elevated to occasional victimhood poster status, right? Heck, she'll still be useful even if she declines to answer if she's ready for a lunch break, eh? But hey, I hope she doesn't lose focus and start commenting about who and how she was railroaded in to more than she bargained for.

Are you taking about half the sh*t you've posted, or is this directed towards someone else? I think you maybe a little confused, I guess age and liberalism will do that to ya!

Like some others here I enjoy a good argument, and I've occasionally missed Missfires for that reason. However, I think Dave was right to shut it down. This is the only online forum I participate in.I like this site, and I've learned a lot from it. Many here lament the country's partisan wrangling. We can't do anything about the bigger picture, but we certainly could change the tone here. Suppose we just decided to treat each other with respect and courtesy even though we often disagree. Our attacks here accomplish nothing but to fan the flames.

Is our tone here so bad? If you were borked like is being done to the subject of this thread, wouldn't that mean you have no credibility to comment on great sporting rifles, among other things? I'm glad we're above that, aren't you?

I think we can agree on one thing, if it weren't for off topic banter, some important things would be hidden in plain sight, eh? If it were just wrangling, it'd be all in fun, but there is a bigger picture that something can be done about, huh? Is your tester ballot locked-n-loaded, or are you going to send him a little message about blowing smoke up Montanan tail while following kamala harris policy around like a lap dog?

well, kavanaugh has been a life time appointed federal judge for 12 years now. prior to that he spent several years as an advisor and confidant of president bush 2...during that period, there have been no complaints of misconduct of any kind...on the contrary, dozens of his fellow gubmint employees have come forward and given testimony as to what an honorable stand up guy he really is....

so, please tell me why the gubmint is spending so much time, trying to find out what happened 35-40 years ago...it is irrelevant to kavanaugh's suitability to serve as a federal judge on any federal court.

ed, If it turns out that Kavanaugh did what he's accused of, he can't be appointed to the SC. If he were appointed, the message to young men would be that you can behave in a despicable manner til you're 21. Everybody has to take responsibility for his behavior, even an adolescent. There have to be consequences.

Billy, please tell us how you can say what you said above, when you also said this in this very same thread:



So which is it Billy? Are you delusional... or are you lying?

Personally, I believe you are lying. You have been caught in a multitude of outright lies here, and in the old Misfires forum. And your lies have always been made to support the Liberal Left Anti-gun Democrats.

You won't reply to this. You ignore the truth just like the filthy lying Democrat Senators who are attempting to slime Brett Kavanaugh. You always run away when you get caught in your lies, or you pretend you didn't see anything. You say you want us to treat each other with respect. But then you (and your fellow Libtards) disrespect us with your incessant lies and hypocrisy.

Why don't you post your love for anti-gunners in the Classic and Custom Rifle forum instead of bringing your anti-gun politics to the Double Shotgun forum?

That's the thing though. These are all simply allegations, and politically expedient ones at that, that have absolutely no evidence to back them up. It is a shameful tactic, the usual perversion of the way the law is supposed to work, that the left is using to try to delay the confirmation until after the mid-term elections. The left is afraid that Kavanaugh might upset the government-funded eugenics program enabled by Rowe vs Wade, I suppose. Oh no.

You are right though, everyone must face the consequences of their actions. I think we ought to be holding the left accountable for perverting the idea of due process, and that every false rape accuser everywhere should be given the maximum sentence allowed by law. When a man's life can be ruined by a simple allegation, regardless of the truth of it, with absolutely no evidence to back it up, then something is dreadfully wrong. This happens far too often nowadays.

So far the evidence I've seen proves that Kavanaugh may have had a drunken make-out session with a girl while they were in college, and that he once attended a party that was also attended by someone else who later may or may not have sexually assaulted someone. Certainly a lot of crimes to hold him accountable for there, yes?

The weaponizing of fake allegations like this is straight out of the Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", just as the left's behavior in recent years is straight out of Skousen's "The Naked Communist". Neither this, nor all the Trump derangement, is "partisan politics". It is the radical left vs the center, with the Overton window shifted out into ridiculous territory, and the actual "radical right" all but extinct.

Ok, rant over. I apologize for being such a d*ck.

Oops.
She appears to have perjured herself claiming to be a "Psychologist" in her opening statement intro when not licensed by the State of California
https://www.dangerous.com/49836/records-...mitted-perjury/

....and all that mumbo jumbo about her memories and the hippocampus was to mesmerize all the unsuspecting with more bull sh!t. And when women turn on that sniveling and all those tears, an accused man is pretty much done, guilty until proven innocent. What a charade.

bill: a 17 year old jock under the influence of alcohol could certainly try to do something sexual with a girl...its what can happen when a virile young man lets his dick take control from his brain...fact is, nothing happened, unless she suddenly remembers penetration...

and what one does as an inexperienced adolescent does not make one a serial sexual predator...look at his record...

it took three years for the senate to confirm kav for a federal judgeship...wonder why? part of the answer made be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh

fact is, the dims dont want anymore conservative judges anywhere...

however, elections also have consequences...

If the FBI investigation can't show Ford's accusations are true,then I'm perfectly satisfied to confirm BK. To attack Ford for testifying is another instance of claiming to know something that can't be known. I'm not happy with the politics of this matter, but I have to say they're no worse than the Republican's treatment of Garland. Ford is fully convinced of what she says, Kavanaugh is fully convinced of what he says. One clear possibility, if what Ford says is true, is that Kavanaugh was drunk out of his mind and thus has no recollection of what he did. But if he did it, he deserves to pay a serious penalty.

Now I see what you're getting at. Here's a couple of delusional thoughts, eh? metoo, I think the Republicans had the right to have that reported child molester clapped in irons and investigated for parking fines and cross dressing. Did you ever give a little thought to correcting your mistake with tester?

It is just as possible that Ford was so drunk that she was really molested by rocky mtn bill, and he was also blind drunk, and neither of them remember. By his standards, this is just as plausible. No witnesses? Who Cares? People who were named as being present issue denials, under penalty of law? Who cares? Baseless charges warrant costly investigations and delays in Billy's warped world view. I wonder how he, or his family would like this type of smear directed toward them after 35 years? He must be very drunk right now to even post his lies like the one I responded to earlier.

I wonder why Billy refused to acknowledge those lies and hypocrisy? He read what I said. His response was made to my post. We can all see that it says, "RE: keith" at the top of his reply. Once again, we see Billy running away from his lies. What a stand-up guy!

Billy has to be inebriated, or flat out lying again, to also attempt to say that what is happening to Kavanaugh is "no worse than the Republican's treatment of Garland."

I'd like Billy to show us where any Republican accused Garland of extreme "black-out drinking" alcohol abuse, and being a sexual predator who set up and participated in serial gang rapes, and sexual abuse of multiple women.

You said it Billy. Now show us your proof, you wormy little fraud.

I already pointed out to Billy that it was none other than Joe Biden, when Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1992, who said that a lame duck president should not get to nominate or confirm a Supreme Court pick. And Harry Reid thought that the time had come that the Democrats would never lose power, so he instituted the nuclear option to give confirmation power to a simple Senate majority.

Isn't it like a known and proven liar like Billy to wish the rules his Liberal Left Democrat Party put in place didn't apply to them?

Right or wrong, he sure didn't seem in control on Thursday when he was attempting to defend himself. My wife (Republican her whole life) said to me "he is whining". Didn't show much strength to her at all. She said we (Republican's) can do better then this. She loved Neil Gorsuch.

We will see where this goes. I don't think the democrats have much of a chance of winning the Senate this year. They will probably take the house. That said, Independents will determine who wins this thing in November hands down. What a mess.

I believe independent swing voters are sick of seeing the kind of crap the Dems are trying to pull off in these hearings. We can only hope they will "hang themselves".

In all fairness, Tom, he is not being nominated for SCJ because he is good at defending himself against hatred, outright lies and the liberal liars. He is there because he is a Constitutionalist, a judge of integrity, and what Trump thinks is best for this nation. I didn't consider it whining at all. I call it composure under fire.

SRH

Perceptions are all over the map. To listen to many Liberals, Kavanaugh acted like a rabid dog when he was defending himself. Many of them feel he had no right to be as forceful as he was. Look at many of the images CNN and MSNBC and Liberal sources display of the hearings. Kavanaugh is shown with an angry sneer while Ford is shown on the verge of crying. This is what Democrat propaganda looks like:









Me, I couldn't blame him for defending himself and telling the Senate Democrats how despicable their attack was, and how much it hurt his family. I saw a range of emotions, from determination to clear his name, to anger, and even getting a bit choked up. Liberals have mocked him for all of it, and criticized every bit of it. The only thing that would make them happy is total surrender.

But I would have felt even better if he had gotten out of his seat, crossed the room, and choked the shit out of a few of them.

Seriously. That's what they need.

Yup, he was whining. I would be whining in his situation. In fact, I have been in his situation and I was whining. I was not guilty and was found to be not guilty and I was whining because I was being railroaded by a government agency and an HR subagency that was not after the truth. I sympathize with Judge Kavanaugh because I have been in his shoes. It is hard to keep the tears inside when you are being unjustly accused.

I think he was genuine, but planned to do that approach. The important result was not that he stuck up for himself, but that he consolidated support that some had hoped was wavering.

As for the sexual predator who nominated BK, I wasn't claiming to know something I couldn't know. I'm taking Trump's words on tape as absolute proof. In Clarence Thomas's case I have to admit I slipped. I don't know he harassed Anita Hill though I thoroughly believe he did.

Billy, of course you still believe that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed Anita Hill. And it doesn't matter one bit to you that an FBI Investigation of the matter found no wrongdoing on his part.

That is what is so dishonest and disingenuous about you and your fellow Anti-Gun Liberal Left Democrats calling for an FBI Investigation now. You will never change your minds about Kavanaugh. But you can't admit that this smear and hypocritical call for an FBI Investigation is just part of a Democrat plot to derail his confirmation.

You always manage to trip yourself up with your own words. This is why I don't wish to silence or censor Libtards like you. This is why I don't act like an estrogen overdosed woman, and e-mail or PM other Conservatives to cry to Dave to stop you. It is far better to let the world see what frauds you really are.

Some of these Democratic Senators may regret getting what they asked for.
I believe a majority of the Democrate Senators had no real desire to have the FBI do an investigation.
Im sure they felt that using the call for an FBI investigation while playing on the Republicans desire to have the vote completed before the election gave them what they really wanted, doubt about what the truth really was.
Not having an investigation played in the democrats favor as they beat the drum ranting what does Kavanaugh have to hide?
President Trumps order has come down. They now have a group of top notch FBI agents hitting the streets. Potential liars and their lawyers may be hesitent to file false claims knowing that within hours they could have a swarm of dedicated agents at the front door in search of the truth.
Dont forget they will not be looking only at Kavanaugh. They are looking at the alligation and will be talking with everyone they can find that has knowledge of Ford as well.

Knowledge of Ford. That should be interesting if they actually look for that knowledge.

Judge Kavanaugh acted as any red blooded American would that has been accused of a false accusation and having his family threatened and harassed.
Im sure most of the members on this forum regardless of age, political association if they were honest would have responded the same way or with even more conviction.
(With the exception of a couple of Wuss’s.)
Many years ago my brother and I learned that even a sparrow can have the couarge of a Lion when needed.
A sparrow built a nest in a Cyprus tree in our yard.
Birds would normally scattered when we walked out the front door with our Daisys.
This day a mother sparrow was observed going to a nest to fed her fledglings. We had a great idea. Lets get the ladder and have a look. We climbed the ladder one behind the other. The mother flew off but as soon as we reached in to mess with the babys she attacked. squawking and dive bombing us and actually getting in my hair. Bitting my finger and sent us scattering to the ground.
So when I hear these lying two faced cowards talk about Judge Kavanaughs temperament........”I CALL BULLSHIT” !!!!

We'll see.

I'll try to say this with as much respect and courtesy as I can muster: For anybody, especially someone who has made a career here of calling others liars, to post the Alex Jones-type rumor about Dr. Ford's having had 54 sexual partners, that person has sunk as low as it is possible to go. Conservatives who traffic in this kind of slime do serious damage to their cause. There are reasons to question her claims. But posting cruel and obviously invented slander is some people's stock in trade. Shakespeare reserved his greatest contempt for those who put themselves at the service of power, to be used for any purpose no matter how vile.

A week, two weeks, a month, three months, the Democraps will still find fault on whomever is nominated by President Trump. Like it was stated, they do not care anything about her, they are just looking to stall the process.

Bill, and as far as Dr. Ford's 54 sexual partners from high school to college, if you think that is sinking low, what are the Demacraps doing? If that article is true than it should be brought out. Is she any different than anyone else?

I guarantee that after the FBI investigation, and if nothing is found, they will still stall the proceedings.

STFU Bill, you whinny pussy. You’re as vile as they come. Problem is, with social retards, like yourself, you don’t have the ability to just shut up. You’ll run your mouth and then get your ass handed to you over and over again and then wonder why nobody likes you. It’s ok for you to be vile, but when someone fights fire with Fire, you and your ilk love to cry foul. Oh the humanity!!
I just had a great conversation with a group of people that thought Francisco Franco was the worst of the worst....comparisons to even Hitler. What they didn’t want to discuss was what led Franco and his side to do what they did during the “White Terror”. It was in fact the atrocities that happened during the “red terror” that caused that violent reaction. Obviously what’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander. Now the fake historians and apologist want to rewrite history, usually to make their side seems like angels. In Spanish schools they don’t even talk about the red terror, it’s forbidden, but they can talk, teach and discuss the white terror to their communist hearts content.

LeFusil, The brilliance of your reply dazzles me, especially the mountain of evidence you support your opinions with. David, if there were any truth whatsoever in the 54 story, believe me it would have come out in the hearing and it would have destroyed any of Ford's credibility. Some of you need a course in basic logic. To call someone names is no refutation of what he says. If you can support any of your claims, it would make others have to consider them carefully.PS: Who wants to pick sides in a dispute between fascists and communists?

The best response to lies is a clear exposition of the truth, as Kavanaugh did last week. We shouldn't sink in the filth with the Democrats, and ridiculous stuff like this doesn't help
https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-ly...-fords-attorney
https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-ly...nd-bill-clinton

There is NO way Ford's lawyers will allow access to her medical records, which I believe would be quite revealing. But the same sort of character assassination directed toward Ford, divorced from documented facts, is wrong.

Frightening quotes from Friedrich Nietzsche, who died insane from tertiary syphilis (fact)

"There are no facts, only interpretations."

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster."

Billy is predictably indignant about the stories about Christine Blasey-Ford's promiscuity. But for some strange reason, he is silent about the link his Liberal left pal nca225 posted about Kavanaugh's accuser who claimed that she witnessed him and his friend drugging girls and prepping them for gang rapes at around 10 parties, until she was finally raped herself.

We already know that Blasey-Ford, by her own admission, was attending unchaperoned parties as a 15 year old, where alcohol was being consumed.

Talk about someone needing a course in basic logic!

The longer this drags out, the more baseless claims from lying filthy Democrats like Billy will come out. The latest wild shit is warnings that Brett Kavanaugh should never be allowed to be alone with children.

And I hope everyone noticed how skillfully Billy ran from his admission that he still thinks Clarence Thomas sexually abused Anita Hill... in spite of one of his precious FBI Investigations finding zero evidence of her claims.

This is one of Billy's favorite tactics... attempting to change the subject. Others are pretending that he didn't see someone point out that he got caught in another lie, or to simply put his tail between his legs and run away from the thread until things are mostly forgotten. But I don't forget his many lies, or his support for anti-gun Democrats, and he hates that I keep rubbing his nose in his piles of shit.

I want to agree with the last line in Drew's post above. It would be nice if we could have bipartisan compromise as when Republicans crossed the aisle and supported a couple of Obama's SCOTUS nominees... even though it was apparent they lied during confirmation hearings about support for the 2nd Amendment! But the Republicans have, for so long, been dealing with so much sleaze and dishonesty from Liberal Democrats who see outright lies and character assassination as justifiable, that it is past time to take off the gloves and hit them in the nuts. They are being accused of killing the elderly, starving children, throwing Grandma over the cliff, being out to steal Social Security, racism, misogyny, and every other sin imaginable. And now Conservatives and Republicans are being accused of turning a blind eye to serial sexual abuse of defenseless women. I don't want to see Republicans act like them, but I am tired of them allowing Democrats to get away with it.

When you confront Libtards with facts about the sexual abuse practiced by prominent Democrats, or their dishonesty, or the Democrat votes against civil rights or women's voting rights, or little things like Democrat Ku Klux Klan members, raising taxes, reverse discrimination, infringements on the 2nd Amendment, etc., they are able to hypocritically ignore and excuse all of it. And what did Billy, pmag, TomC, SKB, or nca225 have to say about Kavanaugh accuser Democrat Sen. Richard Blumenthal, and his lies about serving in Vietnam? Nothing... we hear crickets chirping.... silence....

Liberal Democrats like Billy have no shame.

Lindsey Graham has called for an investigate into who leaked Ford's identity and letter to the Washington Post, and can likely make it happen. This should get good. An "inconvenient truth" indeed.

And Blumenthal's public outing of Kavanaugh's friend was disgusting and despicable
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...book-entry.html

Won't even deny where the leak came from, which BTW Feinstein did before the committee (but maybe not under oath)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/...-kavanaugh.html

A clear exposition of the truth? Read the editorial columns in the major papers. Kavanaugh's testimony has numerous holes in it. You can read about them for yourself if the truth interests you. If the FBI gives him an OK, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His performance was not persuasive .

Bill: that would require seeking the truth somewhere other than Avenatti, HuffPost, or even Dr Ford's hippocampus

Drew, just so you know I never read HP or watch MSNBC. I do read other liberal sources and some traditionally conservative ones. Though I'm pegged here as a libtard, my political orientation varies with the issue. I'm liberal when that seems the best approach. I use these terms in their ordinary, not partisan, sense. I'm frankly shocked that you of all people here would presume to know what I read and where my opinions come from. Where does the notion come from that anyone who disagrees with you must be incapable of thinking for himself?

"You can read about them for yourself if the truth interests you."

The truth interests any thinking person, but can be hard to find. And yes, I too have tried to find it, in many sources.
Once again, I believe the truth that Dr Ford believes is not, and Julie Swetnick's is most certainly not.

Well, My hope is that the FBI can get to the truth here. I'm a bit shocked too to learn of your allegiance with our President though perhaps I can guess the issue that puts you there. I'm not a conventionally religious person but was raised in a Baptist Sunday school. I'm confident Christ would have no truck with Donald Trump.

Come on Bill

A.W. Tozer (1897-1963) "The Set of the Sail", a collection of editorials written while editor of Alliance Life Magazine in the 1950s
It is Satan's wiliest stratagem to use our virtues against us, and this he often does with astonishing success. By means of temptation to sin he strikes at our personal lives; by working through our virtues he gets at the whole community of believers and unfits it for its own defense. A parallel to Satan's technique may be seen in the activities of certain subversive political groups who use the Constitution of the United States as a shield while they work to destroy that Constitution. By unctuous pleading for the right of free speech they seek to destroy all freedom of speech. By talking piously about government by law they push our country toward the place where there will be government by dictatorship and all laws will mean what a ruling clique of base, cynical men want them to mean. So diabolical is this method that one can only conclude that those who use it learned it from their father the devil, whose they are and whom they serve.

A.W. Tozer "The Next Chapter After the Last"
One thing must be kept in mind: We Christians are Christians first and everything else after that. Our first allegiance is to the kingdom of God. Our citizenship is in heaven. We are grateful for political freedom. We thank God for democracy as a way of life. But we never forget that we are sons of God and citizens of another city whose builder and maker is God. For this reason, we must not identify the gospel with any political system or make Christianity to be synonymous with any form of government, however noble. Christ stands alone, above and outside of every ideology devised by man. He does not join any of our parties or take sides with any of our great men except as they may come over on His side and try to follow Him in righteousness and true holiness. Then He is for them, but only as individuals, never as leaders of some political faction. The true Christian will be loyal to his country and obedient to those in authority, but he will never fall into the error of confusing his own national culture with Christianity. Christianity is bigger than any country, loftier than any civilization, broader than any human ideology.

Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. "A Knock at Midnight", June 11, 1967
The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool. If the church does not recapture its prophetic zeal, it will become an irrelevant social club without moral or spiritual authority.
(Which tragically much of what passes for Evangelical Christianity since the 2016 election has become.)

Billy, I know where people get the idea that you are a Libtard. We get that idea directly from reading your posts.

I can't recall you ever once supporting a pro-gun Republican or Conservative anything. You have initiated threads such as "Republican Incompetence Caucus" and you are drawn like a rat to peanut butter when you see a chance to denigrate a Republican or Conservative.... just as you did here.

Like SKB, you claim to be fair and moderate, and willing to fairly judge both sides of an issue. But you frequently resort to outright lies in order to advance your Liberal dogma. And your Liberal bias is as evident as an erupting volcano.

It's interesting to see your disappointment with Drew and your apparent thoughts that Jesus would prefer Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton over Trump. I did not realize that Jesus supported things like late term abortion or selling parts of dead babies.

Some people may be foolish or dishonest enough to accept what you say. But I know we should not accept what you say. Rather, we should pay attention to what you do.

And the thing you do that galls me the most is thinking we should embrace you as a fellow gun enthusiast, when you repeatedly stab us in the back by supporting anti-gunners. But you Liberal Left Democrats believe your lies, so none of this means a thing to you.

Drew, I agree that the church should be the conscience of the state, and if so it ought to oppose Trump at every turn. He has no conscience. He only has his ego. He is a con man. I didn't make any claim to knowing Jesus' political preference. I only know that he would have nothing to do with Donald Trump.

Tisk, tisk, tisk, Bill.

Weren't you just lecturing the vast right wing conspiracy about only commenting about facts? Your facts sure seem to change like a living and breathing Constitution is supposed to, eh?

I can't speak for Jesus either Bill, but he is known to have room for all, right? But, when it comes to houses of worship, rev. wright is likely more than just fibbing about some affiliation with Christianity. Secular progressives will embrace any means for who knows what end, eh Bill?

keith mentioned one of your favorite tactics is changing the subject, but we know better don't we? Our favorite rope a dope is playing the victim while claiming to be on some high road, huh?

I've never been in a voting booth with you, but I can say with clarity that your 'political orientation' story means absolutely nothing. It's who you vote for, and all the baggage, that matters. Maybe, one day you'll appreciate the value of the factual results of policy over feelings.

craig, perhaps you have evidence of a Presidential conscience the rest of the world is unaware of. If so, please fill us in. No conscience restrained him from bilking business partners. No conscience prevented his scamming the naive folks who enrolled in Trump University. Nothing held him back from a lifetime of philandering. I could go on at length, but I'll let you find as many more examples as you'd like. He's your man. Ps: If any of my examples of Trump's moral lapses are't factual, be sure to expose my error.

This guy has the answer



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00

I don't need to speak for Drew, by any means, but here's my answer to that question, Bill. When you take editorial columns as facts, what are we to think? Editorial columns are the opinions of the editors. Period. They are no guarantee of truth or facts.

SRH

Billy. your Baptist upbringing ought to remind you that Jesus associated with sinners, prostitutes, and even promised forgiveness and a place in Heaven to a thief as he suffered on the cross.

But certainly you know better, and think Trump is more despicable than anything Jesus could tolerate.

From my viewpoint, he is fulfilling more campaign promises than any President in my lifetime, and I think you Democrats are terrified about what he could do to expose the fraud you have perpetrated on the people if you weren't able to stymie his agenda with the continuous false accusations, and the concerted effort to stall, oppose, and sabotage progress to reverse the damage done by Progressives and Liberal Socialists like you.

You're not fooling anyone anymore Billy. Well, except for yourself.

bill: as for trump being a con man...agreed, but the fact is, winning a presidential election these days, in the age of electronic digital media, requires one to be a better con man and actor than one's opponent...the jfk victory over nixon, is the first example of where image over substance carried the day...

ms ford is a con lady and skilled actress with a political agenda and a dagger up her sleeve...judge kav is also a competitive player and accomplished actor...

much of what ford and kav had to say was bull shit...but kav pulling a rabbit out of his hat in the form of his diary/calendar was brilliance, dont you agree? no one saw that coming...

When I want to jump to a conclusion about his conscience, I'll give it my best swing at laying out facts as I see it, okay? If you can not see that I was questioning you about jumping to conclusions based on your feelings without facts, then spoon feeding doesn't work for you unless it comes from a progressive, right?

As to rants about the man, we must be talking about a 'job interview', correct? No Bill, I'm going to insist on an investigation of you as to why there is no criminal charge and conviction. How simple could it be, I want an investigation, because your ideology offends me and my country?

Of course, you won't discuss that your tactic has nothing more than to do with the bs cover of a job interview. Throw anything you want around and see what sticks, eh? dems do obscene things to women and for money, but they fall under your a-okay pc politics category, right?

Hey, I have an idea, let's make a factual list of what barry bought to benefit the US, under his watch, with all those trillons?

We're wandering even further OT on an OT thread, but what were Evangelicals to do in 2016, and do now in the 2018 midterms? Trump is a pathologic narcissist and adulterer, but were we to stay home in protest and give the nation to Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the abortionists and gun grabbers? And let Hillary choose the Supreme Court Justices for another 8 years?
Chuck Colson addressed this difficulty in "Kingdoms In Conflict" in 1990, and it's still a valuable read. For "the gates of hell to not prevail" (Matthew 16:18) we must be willing to engage, confront and if need be knock the door down.

Samuel Rutherford, Lex Rex, p.34
Tyranny being a work of Satan, is not from God, because sin, either habitual or actual, is not from God: the power that is, must be from God; the magistrate, as magistrate, is good in nature of office, and the intrinsic end of his office, (Romans 8:4) for he is the minister of God for thy good; and, therefore, a power ethical, politic, or moral, to oppress, is not from God, and is not a power, but a licentious deviation of a power; and is no more from God, but from sinful nature and the old serpent...

Craig, a short factual list of Obama's achievements would include saving the American automobile industry, pulling the country out of the Great Recession and restarting the economy, and providing health insurance to millions of people. I know Obamacare is not popular with Republicans, but it isn't the failure they portray it as, and they can't come up with a workable alternative. He also strengthened America's ties with our allies around the globe. Given the issues he inherited and the resistance he drew for being black. I think his presidency was significantly successful, particularly in contrast to his predecessor.

OMG, this is funny. Saving the auto industry? Pulling the country out of the Great Recession? Strengthening ties with allies?......knee slappers all!

Damn, my iMac died and I'm making do with a soundless antique PC while I determine if it needs to be replaced or fixed.

If my spelling is bad, it's because the letters are worn off the keyboard. I'm going from memory.

Unbelievable, that someone could actually convince themselves of this.

SRH

Bill, this lifetime of philandering thing seems to bother you. Tell us truly.....no dodge now.....how do you feel about Bill Clinton's well documented lifetime of philandering and sexual aggression towards women.

Since you obviously think you are an expert on morals, answer this for me. How do you justify supporting politicians who promote and support murder in the womb? Let's go over the morality in that.

SRH

Hey you, cback, knock it off, how am I to peck out some response story with a straight face?

Bill, I'd like to take on two points because they pertain most to my request. First, the 'predecessor' that you don't care much for stuck almost one trillion of debt on his books to give barry one pretty nifty head start to his spending spree, under the name of some nonsense known as tarp, right? What about all the trillions squandered on barak's charge card?

But, you do tend to go on and on about your freebie health care, eh? Bill, ocare is not popular with Montanans, not the Republicans, but the recipients. Do your own research, the no show rate for 'free' health care appointments hovers somewhere around forty percent. In truth eh Bill, 'healthcare' is a pretty pricey talking point for old white progressives of means, rather than for the unappreciative with no skin in the game.

Don't for one moment get me wrong. The Montana medicaid expansion under ocare has helped many, but not nearly as much as a psuedo bleeding heart would have folks believe, eh? Who cares about some other place out of sight and out of mind when we refuse to see the facts right in front of us at home, eh? Delusion or lies, possibly, but how about hypocrisy?

Hey, your state is still my favorite place to visit. I'm poking around a bit now to see if some decent hunting will shape up for this coming month. You have a fun, safe, rewarding season.

Sorry for cutting your grass Craig. Couldn’t help myself. Lol.

I’ll look forward to Bill’s response to my question about philanderers.

It could be argued, quite accurately, that the necessity of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), which provided loans to Auto Makers and troubled Financial Institutions, was a result of some very stupid decisions to force lenders to give huge mortgage loans to people who could never repay them.

The bleeding and the seeds of the Great Recession of 2008 started under Democrat and serial sexual abuser Bill Clinton. Obama didn't know enough about business to dream or conceive of the TARP program to "save the auto industry" or the Financial Industry either. TARP was started under George Bush 43. But Obama gets all the credit for it in Billy"s warped mind.

ObamaCare didn't "provide" health care to anyone. It was a tax, and a mandate to the uninsured to purchase health insurance or to pay a fine. It was also a wealth redistribution plan that subsidized an already bloated Welfare State by providing taxpayer funded Health Care for those who wouldn't or couldn't work. And that was a lot under a president who managed to achieve putting 45 million more people on Welfare and Food Stamps as part of his Socialist legacy. Those who were forced to buy this very expensive insurance saw high double digit price increases when Obama promised that rates would come down. Then there were the many other broken promises such as "You can keep your Doctor", etc. They also found it was something that was very expensive to actually use due to huge co-pays. And it still left over 26 million people without Health Insurance. WHOOPIE!!!

But TARP loans that were never repaid are a small fraction of the $Trillions$ Obama added to our National Debt. We are hopeful that Trump can increase the GDP and subsequently increase income tax revenues enough to reduce it. But Democrats are doing all they can to reverse the successes and gains trump has made toward that goal. They want to return to low GDP, high unemployment, massive job killing regulations, high personal and Corporate Income taxes, and saddling our kids and grandkids with the interest costs of unsustainable debt levels. And let's not forget the deep respect we got from foreigners like ISIS, Kim Jung Un, and all the countries who were raping us on trade and not paying their fair share for NATO and U.N. dues.

I agree with Drew that this mildly OT discussion became quite OT, thanks to Billy and a few other Liberal Left Democrats who hate the idea of having another pro-2nd Amendment Supreme Court Justice. But I think it is worth it as a lesson that there really is a new Civil War going on, and anti-gun Liberals like Billy are using every kind of deception imaginable to win their battle to undermine and topple the Constitution and the Republic. And if they ever win, none of our guns or gun rights is going to be safe from them.

Not even our doubles.

Canvasback, The way I see it Clinton is a smarter, better educated,more widely experienced, better-spoken version of Donald Trump. Morally there's nothing to choose between them. Stan, I have a hard time with the abortion issue. But I do believe there are situations where it's better than the alternatives. I had students who had to make that choice. They didn't seek advice from me but told me about their struggle with it afterward. I felt most made the best decision for themselves. Some went one way, some the other. I think there's some truth to the observation that many politicians care more for children before they're born than afterwards.

Oh, and while I'm at it I'll say Obama's biggest error was the failure to indict anyone in the market collapse. That seems unforgivable.

Children? Really, Bill. If they aren't inanimate blobs, now you're saying this is an automatic prejudice against one category of human life?

I read this, and still can't believe someone is this stupid and confused.
JR

You don't enjoy a good argument Billy. You run away from it like a coward whenever someone refutes your drivel with facts about your precious anti-gun Democrats that you can't defend. Did I say anything about the TARP Fund that was inaccurate? And why didn't Obama go after any of the folks responsible for the economic crash? Was it because many of the key players were Democrats and large Democrat donors? How about ObamaCare, or the fact that Democrats want to return to the same malaise and conditions that forced Corporations to abandon American plants and American workers. It kills you that Obama couldn't do a damn thing about ISIS or North Korea or Trade deficits except blaming Bush and going golfing.

Trump's progress in those areas makes Obama look like the inexperienced incompetent empty suit he was, and is to this day. And you won't go near the fact that Obama considered his biggest failure his loss to the NRA and gun owners in his quest to pass extensive anti-gun legislation.

Here's another argument for you and other lying Libtard Democrats... Why does alleged excessive beer drinking by Kavanaugh as a teenager disqualify him for a seat on the Supreme Court, but photographic evidence and admissions by Obama that he used illegal drugs like marijuana and cocaine does not disqualify him from being president or having the right to nominate Supreme Court Justices?



Dave may have shut down the old Misfires forum, but that hasn't stopped you from going off-topic here in order to show everyone how far you will go to help the Democrats destroy a pro-gun Conservative Supreme Court nominee.

Rocky head Bill...

if'n I was to look up moron I spect I'd see your picture.

I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, or short with you when I say this, but there's really only one decision you have to make to clear it all up, assuming that you believe that all human life is sacred and is to be protected. That decision is this..................does life begin at conception, or sometime afterwards? The most extreme opposite stance is that an unborn baby is not a person until they exit the mother's womb, and thus have no rights.

I believe that life begins at conception, not at some arbitrary time after that. I also believe the Word of God is true and infallible, that the Scriptures were authored by the Holy Spirit, and written down by many different inspired men. Once I settled the fact that the Word is all true, and contains no mistakes or errors, I then had to make one choice, whether or not to believe it for myself. If I believe it, which I do, I then have to live by it with all my strength, and aided by the Holy Spirit.

When you settle this within yourself, the dividing line is clear. I choose to honor and protect all life, even that of those I vehemently disagree with, because that life is God-given.

Best, SRH

Concerning TARP: As of Sept 27, 2018 Fannie & Freddy spent $191 B. Companies getting this money have repaid $286 B. Other TARP loans totaled $631 B. Of that amount, $ 390 B has been repaid, and the earnings on the investment of that amount total $338 B for a net profit of $97.1 B. Source: ProPublica. I'm sure it's possible to find a differing set of data from a conservative think tank, but I'd rather take the word of a non- partisan group.

No Billy, we've already heard about how much TARP money was repaid, and about the corporations that did not repay all of the money they were lent.

I'm talking about where the idea for TARP originated, and why it was necessary in the first place. Didn't you read my questions? If there was no financial crash due to a mortgage crisis, precipitated by Democrat lawmakers insisting that people who could not afford huge loans should get them anyway... there would be no need for any TARP Bailouts.

And how about the other stuff you avoided like the plague? How about the failure called ObamaCare that left over 26 million uninsured, and dramatically increased health care costs instead of the promised reduction? How about the rise of ISIS, or Little Rocket Man firing missiles over Japan and accelerating testing of nukes? How about the massive trade deficits and vast increases in Welfare, Food Stamps, and the National Debt? How about his assertion that low GDP and chronic high unemployment would be the new normal? How about his relentless attacks on our 2nd Amendment gun rights Billy?

And how about the question about Obama's fitness to be president, or fitness to pick anyone for a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court, when he is an admitted habitual abuser of illegal drugs as an adult, and there is photographic evidence that wouldn't require any FBI Investigation to see? How does that compare with unproven allegations about excessive beer drinking by Kavanaugh as a teenager?

Is this how you taught school Billy? Did you teach your kids to run away from questions? You get another F for your incomplete work Billy.

You'll never amount to anything, and you will probably spend your life as a loser, being envious of people who are willing to think and work.

Oh, too late. It already happened to you.

Teachers and Professors are typically left wing liberals, just like our bud here. The Professors are proving to be the most damaging to Kavanaugh. Now, tell me there’s no liberal left wing driven agenda in terms of destroying Kavanaugh. Most people with a brain can see what’s happening.

I find it interesting that a number of commentators on this site can not make a point without using derogatory names and terms. They must think that name calling strengthens their argument. For me, it immediately devalues the point they are trying to make. I challenge all of you to make your arguments without name calling. Your arguments will in-fact be stronger. I know it can be difficult. It is for me.

A few weeks ago, while on an annual musky fishing trip to Minaki, Canada I said something that I regretted. It was during a game of 4-handed cribbage and after a few Perfect Manhattans. One of the gentlemen was someone I didn't know well but was a friend of my good friend. Booze, politics and religion should never be mixed. When this gentleman made the comment “Robert Mueller is Satan reincarnated” I quickly said “you must be a fucking idiot!” Yes, I said it. I was rude and wrong for saying that. Regardless of what he believes, there is no justified reason for name calling. I later apologized and the apology was accepted.

My behavior seems to be all too common in todays charged political environment. I am going to try to do my small part to change it.

Yes, I have voted primarily Democratic since George Bush Jr's second term. That means I voted Republican for about 41 years and Democratic for 13 years. You can call me what you want. Here is what I believe on the BV subject. I believed her and did not believe him. He is an incredibly intelligent man with the professional qualifications that would make a good SCJ. I did not believe him because of his emotional plea which was certaining heart felt. I believe his emotional response was because of his fear of what if would do to his family and professional life and because of a strong desire to be on the SC. Those are strong motivating factors. She had nothing to gain unless you are a conspiracy believer. Yes, the Democrats may have slowed the process down on purpose because of the upcoming mid-terms but I believe he did it and she is telling the truth.

I am ready to accect the findings of the FBI.

TARP was signed into law by George W. Bush in Oct, 2008 prior to Obama's election. As for who and what caused the collapse, blaming only those who borrowed money they could never repay without blaming the banks that approved the risky loans is simply foolish and irresponsible. I miss Amarillo Mike. He could make a good case for a conservative position and concede a point when he felt fairness called for it.

So if the FBI finds nothing... AGAIN. Does that change your opinion of her or him?

And I don't agree with you that she has nothing to gain. No conspiracy here.

I agree but usually we don’t go after congressmen and senators. The list was all democratic by the way. Dodd, Frank, and many others. Funny because I’m sure you want to put this on those greedy Republicans. Problem is this was not greed but Socialism at work. First you decide everyone needs to have a house then you encourage lending 100-200K to a buyer who could not get a 1 K credit card. Create a buying frenzy which convinces buyers prices are forever going to increase. A lot like pre 29 crash mind set. Once the bubble pops everyone gets a haircut. Well everyone except Dodd, Fraks and friends. How much did Bloomberg make on this? Ten billion? More.

Just what do you find attractive about the Democrat Party's platform and by extension, the candidates? What is it you like about Democrats?
JR

Billy finally gave Bush some credit for initiating TARP, but still wishes to dance away from all of the other failures of his anti-gun Messiah Barack Obama.

He is still well below an F grade in his exam. A dunce cap is too good for a dim bulb like Billy.

I'll have to take Tom C at his word about his relatively recent conversion to becoming a supporter of anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats. His reasons for believing unsupported accusations from 36 yearsago that were denied by the few witnesses Ford named was weak at best, and reflective of his apparent Liberal leanings and disdain for pro-gun Conservatives.

He tells us how offended he is by some descriptive name calling. But he doesn't seem to be even a little bit offended by Liberal lies and hypocrisy. I happen to find it very offensive that guys like Billy, nca225, SKB, and others post outright verifiable falsehoods and even pretend to be moderate and unbiased when it is obvious they are nothing of the sort.

Most offensive, given that this is a firearms enthusiasts website, is their support for anti-gunners, and their ridiculous notion that they can claim it is in no way anti-2nd Amendment to support and vote for known anti-gunners. Expecting us to swallow that crap is much worse than calling someone a f*cking idiot. It is insulting that they think we are as stupid as they are, and would fail to pay attention to what they actually say and do.

"Packing" the US Supreme Court is offensive to my sense of justice. That majestic forum should be a last best hope in our Country for fairness and wisdom. Packing the court either way places a heavy thumb upon the scales of justice. Justices should not be obliged to either political party.

Of course the present political climate makes keeping a fair and balanced court practically impossible. Ever since Roosevelt the Supreme Court has had a liberal tilt. Obama did his best to keep it liberal. Maybe it is the conservative side's turn to create balance. We held our nose and elected President Trump to do just that.


I hope we did not waste our vote and effort to elect him. He has tried to keep his promises and the minority party should not be allowed to prevent it, especially by the perverting the advise and consent function of the Senate with the subject scurrilous attack...Geo

Craig, I have to take issue with your claim that W contributed something to fiscal responsibility. He invaded Iraq. He fought a pointless war , killed thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, and put the cost on the national credit card. If that constitutes the financial standards of conservatism, please explain it to me.

For those of you here with a sense of humor, if you haven't already done so, Google Tom Tomorrow for a really funny send up of current conservatism. It won't make you a convert, but it will give you an opportunity to laugh at yourself which, I think, is a test of mental health and highly therapeutic.

Love your testimony, Stan. Your brother in Christ...
JR

Shouldn't this type of analysis, particularly in regard to motivation, have been done in committee and never seen the light of day as part of official Senate confirmation business? Why don't you hold that gal out in kali responsible for not asking the Judge when she had a one on one opportunity, and then turned it over to the committee for follow up? You make it seem like it's a normal obligation for a nominee to defend himself as if he were a convicted criminal pleading for a lighter sentence.

I think it means a lot to apologize and make things right. I wasn't there, and wouldn't know any of the particulars for your situation, but I do know that your claimed switch to voting dem coincides with an alarming degradation of that concept. Even with a new found decorum, wouldn't be smart for someone, who's on the other side of the aisle, to know what they're up against when it comes to consequences of an election?

In retrospect, Garland was treated with kid gloves compared to what we're being force fed as normal, eh?

Geo. If Hillary had won this court would fall over to the left for 20 years. If Trump wins a second term it will shift the other way. I have no problem with judges who rule based on the written constitution instead of creating new laws from the bench because I can’t vote them out since they are appointed and can serve for life. Or beyond in Ginsberg s case.

Bill, when did I mention he contributed to fiscal responsibility? What I mentioned, in response to your claims, was that President Bush took a big hit for team America by setting up the incoming administration with resources to react to a huge problem. Coming around in a large and convoluted circle, my question remains, what does the US have to show for the purchasing power of that near trillion and all the others that followed?

By the way, did President Bush ever get a Nobel Peace Prize? Apparently, those are only given out to brutal warriors that're protected from being held to account? Hey, did you ever catch that home movie of gaddafi getting dragged through streets and beaten to death by the unruly mob? A foreign policy, thanks hill, of fiscal responsibility and long term stability, eh?

"I believe that life begins at conception, not at some arbitrary time after that. I also believe the Word of God is true and infallible, that the Scriptures were authored by the Holy Spirit, and written down by many different inspired men. Once I settled the fact that the Word is all true, and contains no mistakes or errors, I then had to make one choice, whether or not to believe it for myself. If I believe it, which I do, I then have to live by it with all my strength, and aided by the Holy Spirit.

When you settle this within yourself, the dividing line is clear. I choose to honor and protect all life, even that of those I vehemently disagree with, because that life is God-given."

Stan magnificent statement.

Craig, No, he didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize. I can't help thinking that Obama's was an embarrassment to him. Are you saying that Obama is somehow to blame for the Swede's giving him a prize? If so, please elucidate.

Every SCJ should rule by what the Constitution says, and if that means being a conservative, so be it. Isn't that how they're suppose to rule ?
When does life start ? Woman's rights ? They have the right to keep their legs closed, not murder a baby. Who talks for them ?
I don't believe some people have the right to live. Evil people who have no regard for life. They deserve to die. I'm done.

Battle - no I will probably not believe him even if the FBI finds no evidence of guilt. It just tells me they didn't find it. There are too many years between the alleged event and now and memories are weak. Yes, it could be forgotten or altered memorys by either. It was a gut renching hearing for me but I leaned toward her testimony.

Keith - I believe you have a flawed argument. Not all Democrats want to get rid of all guns and some Republicans believe gun control is needed. Please try to tell me how I am wrong.

John Roberts - I don't think there was any one thing that changed my mind about being a Republican. I think the straw that broke the camels back was the invation of Iraq which I supported at the time. I also believed we had to move quickly because of the “weapons of mass destruction”. When this was found to be wrong I asked myself what would have been different if we invaded only on the premise that Saddam did not follow what he agreed to after the first Iraq war. I still feel we were justified on this basis. What is differant is that we could have taken the time to properly prepare and being properly prepared would have saved American lives. I felt the fault fell on the man and party in charge at the time and the previous administration.

Another factor that contributed was as a small business owner I had the opportunity to meet many other business owners. Many were very rich and very Republican. Many had the belief that thier employees were just tools to make money and that compensation packages were to only be rich enough to keep the employee. I saw a lot of greed and aristocratic behavior and beliefs From these people. It led me to believe that the Republican party had moved too far to the right for my taste. It was no longer for all the people. I may someday switch back. I would have voted for Paul Ryan over Hillary C. I will never vote for Trump and will never vote for Paul Ryan again because of his unwillingness to put Trump in his place. He sold his soul in my opinion.


George Newbern - I agree that packing the court is wrong. Having a court only hard right and hard left does not “balance” the court. My belief is that hard right and hard left are incapable of empathy or understanding for differant views.

Craig, I'm sorry. You wrote "stuck" and I read "struck". I thought you were saying just the opposite of what you meant. If you should be in Montana this fall and need any help with a place to hunt, let me know. It would be great to have lunch or a couple cold ones.

Stan, If life were simple, we could always chose between right and wrong. Sometimes the best option is bad or worse.

Tom, show me one piece of evidence that backs up her claims. Even the people she said was there claim they weren't. He doesn't have to prove his innocence, he is until proven guilty, and that hasn't been done. Or maybe as you'd like, guilty until proven innocence. That's not the American way. And as I said earlier, every SCJ should hand down decisions based on the Constitution. There is NO right and left when it comes to the Supreme Court, only those who rule by the Constitution. Doing that makes one right, not wrong. And you have sold out your soul. Maybe we can all pray for Tom tonight.

I have only blamed President and citizen Obama for his policy, the results of his policy, and his use of pc, race and division, to avoid all, repeat all, question about his results. That's it. I use sarcasm to make fun of false accomplishments and wedges, otherwise known as delusions and lies. And, driving wedges covers quite a bit of territory, such as hypocrisy, eh?

Did I blame him for getting some participation trophy? Nope. In the context of a job interview, he never, repeat never, expressed any embarrassment about the perceived kudo. You project your feelings in ways I find difficult to translate to reality. I don't care what lawful foreign organizations decide to do with their time and money.

I would have respected the act of a President Obama politely and without fanfare, returning the award pending completion of his Presidency and proof that he maintained the standards of the award. But, he'll rival President Trump when he feels entitled to a pat on the back, eh? Don't admit it, but you know lil barry stuck us in obscenely expensive and bloody quagmires long after he did victory laps for pulling us out, eh?

It's just policy and results, Bill, take a look.

To your first reason:
The Democrats were behind this 100%.

To your second reason:
You misled yourself to assume that the Democrats and The Swamp would make things all fair and better. They wouldn't, they couldn't, and they won't. Beside the fact that is Socialism.

President Trump is not what you have been duped into by the Fake News media.

I disagree strongly with George and you about the SCOTUS. I believe it should be 100% Constitutionalists. If that coincides with right-wing conservatism, so be it.
JR

I'm in your great state pretty much every fall. For some odd reason, I'm drawn to the waterfowl, and a great hunt never means large bags for me, but I'm not opposed either. It's more about just being out there. Though I'm not much into big game, I'll probably do a little poking around up in your Breaks, but there's also some great upland hunting in the area. We'll see. I've mentioned before, it wouldn't bother me at all to say hi some time.

Craig, I have several season's experience in the Breaks and would be glad to offer information. Best, Bill

Craig, I have several season's experience in the Breaks and would be glad to offer information. It's hard to go wrong in the Lewistown area. Best wishes, Bill

John Roberts - show us your proof that is was all invented by the
Democrats. I don't believe that it was 100% invented although I give you that they MAY have stalled it for a time.

I was waiting for someone to call me a socialist. As soon as someone wants the average american to get a fair deal they are labeled a socialist. I want the income gap narrowed. If it continues on the path it is on we are in trouble.

You are correct about me not being duped into the Trump thing by the fake news. Why would I want to be associated with a proven mega-liar that surrounds himself with like minded liars? How many have been charged and admitted to lying so far? While you are draining the swamp, try not to fill the outhouse.

Tom, I’m on my phone so will make this short. Politics aside, I’ve spent a lot of time at Minaki and on the English River system. Great part of the world. I’m originally from Winnipeg and family has cottages on Lake of the Woods. BTW many years ago when I was 11 and my brother was 12, went out in a little tin boat to catch some walleye for dinner. Came home with a 40 pound musky. The net didn’t get past the gills. Lol

Breaking news; the Dems demand the FBI interview the Potomac Village Safeway...really
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconne...t-moved-an-inch

Has anyone checked into the few facts in this case? Can’t check on the house because she can’t temembe where it was or even what color it was. Was the Safeway store built 36 years ago? Seems like a simple thing but is it? Ford mentioned calling a friend on her cell phone after this happened. Most likely she misspoke because cell phones did not exist in all but the rarest places. No cell tower network.

Canvasback. Great story. I love that area. My grandfather canoed that area for 7 weeks back in 1921 and then wrote a series of articles for the Northwest Ontario Sportsmans magazine some years later. They canoed from Hudson Bay post to Hudson Bay post and when their time ran out they sold their canoes and hopped the train back to Milwaukee. Great photos and story. It seems my grandfather, whom I never met because he died before I was born was an adventurous man. He took a number of trips like that. My grandmother described him to my wife many years ago as “an Irishman that was a good lover but poor provider”. That still makes me laugh.

If you are worried about what you want, a conservative will fight for your liberties. If you vote dem, I don't think it washes that you are a victim of a bunch of meanies. You proactively or tacitly approve of all the baggage that's part of the deal.

Ask Bill. I bet he know truck loads of folks that dems look down their noses at because they have a paycheck that puts them below some line, but it doesn't bother them one bit. Just as there're others who have phd's in scamming the system, and approach zero redeeming qualities. Are they really equals?

If you want redistribution, why don't you just make yourself happy and give all your stuff away? You would get the last laugh when you hear dems day after day on your portable radio, because the tv's gone, bellyaching about fairness.

For your better understanding, the Democrats BACKED the decision 100%.

And just what is it you seem to think Pres. Trump is lying about? One specific example would be fine.
JR

Tom, I very recently stated here that I did not cast a vote for my Republican Senator Pat Toomey in his last election because he sided with the Obama/Biden attack on the 2nd Amendment in 2013. I left that portion of my ballot blank, because his Democrat opponent was even worse. I called and wrote his office to make it clear that he had lost my support over that issue. I also noted that the late RINO Sen. John McCain sided with Obama in 2013. Yes, there are a very few Republicans who support gun control. I will not support them.

I have also voted for a few Democrats who supported the Constitutional Rights of law abiding gun owners, and certainly would in the future. When I was a college student, I actually registered Democrat when eligible to vote, because my Mom was a local Democrat Committeewoman and I was offered a political patronage job by our County Democrat Chairperson if I registered Democrat.

I got the good paying State job, only because I registered Democrat, and was shocked to come in at a time when many of my bosses were under indictment for Bribery, Macing, Extortion, Theft of Public Property, etc. I also learned that was only the tip of the corruption iceberg. What I saw disgusted me to the point that I went to the courthouse and changed my voter registration to No Party Affiliation, which I am to this day. Some years later, my very Democrat parents came to the same conclusions, and realized the Democrats were no longer the Party of the working man, and they too stopped voting for politicians who supported gun control, a massive Welfare State, higher taxes, and Socialism.

I'm sure you are aware the vast majority of Democrats have taken up a very anti-2nd Amendment position. Since you frequent this site, I'm sure you were also aware that Barack Obama had a 100% anti-gun voting record when you voted for him. We also pointed out Hillary Clinton's anti-gun track record, and provided links to her website with her promises to take on the NRA and to advance strict gun laws. I'm guessing you voted for her anyway, knowing she was a threat to our gun rights.

Because of that, I don't want to kid myself and think you are on our side just because you may own guns. I don't want to be in any Big Tent with you, and I want other gun owners to realize that gun owners like you are no help to preserving our gun rights. You are like termites in a wood framed house.

And I'll also bet you don't have a problem with the Democrat Supreme Court nominees who lied and said they supported and respected the 2nd Amendment during their confirmation hearings, but then went on to vote to infringe upon it. I'll bet you and Billy aren't a bit concerned about that kind of perjury.

If you consider yourself pro-gun when you vote for known anti-gunners, you are being dishonest with yourself, and you are undermining the 2nd Amendment Rights of every gun owner. I don't see or hear that any of you FUDD's who vote for anti-gun Democrats ever even try to pressure them to change their position by threatening to withdraw your support. You are no different than an Abortion Doctor who would consider himself pro-life.

I am also not surprised to hear that you would still consider Kavanaugh guilty even if the FBI Investigation found nothing, and even though there are gaping holes and glaring inconsistencies in Ford's accusations and testimony. And I'm not going to suggest that we should get together for some hunting or a few beers either.

He's a Trump-hating poser, Keith. Overwhelming evidence.
JR

Yeah John, I know. And I really got a kick about his reasons for claiming to convert from Republican to Democrat... especially the part about Bush taking us to war in Iraq for the wrong reasons. As I recall, it was mostly due to Saddam's repeated and blatant violations of the U.N. Sanctions put in place after the 1991 conflict. Saddam himself had used WMD, bragged about and threatened to use more, and thrown out U.N. Inspectors. And the decision to go to war was supported by an overwhelming number of Democrat Senators including Hillary Clinton.

I'll bet he voted for anti-gun Hillary anyway.



Tom C., along with Billy, says he is appalled by the number of U.S. soldiers killed in that war. But he and Billy don't seem at all concerned about the number of U.S. Soldiers killed in numerous wars approved by Democrat Presidents:

Republican Bush----- Iraq--------------- 4,497

Democrat Truman----- Korea---------- 54,246

Democrat Kennedy---- Vietnam-------- 58,209

Democrat Wilson----- World War I---- 116,516

Democrat Roosevelt-- World War II--- 405,399

They can somehow justify ignoring those trivial things, just as they can ignore the extremely racist and anti-woman's rights past of the Democrat Party.... and the overwhelming differences between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to infringing upon the 2nd Amendment and Gun Rights of Law Abiding U.S. Citizens.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

A fact that is easily proven.




Are you kidding they don't need any facts...

She said he hunched on her leg...he hunched on her damn leg.

Liberal doctrine would show us that no man that has ever took a drink and hunched on anything is fit to be on the supreme court.

Let's me out.

By your argument, he's guilty until proven innocent. Tells me all I need to know about you...

The radical feminists are on an all out war against anyone who disagrees with them. That may sound like a hard statement, but it is what I see.

long as we are given war casualty data by pres, here is the all time winner...

a. lincoln...no one knows fur sur, but latest estimates put the total some wares around...800,000...

careful about believin bull shit, like, save the union, free the slaves, or whatever...doin so can git alotta people killed and maimed...

That's only partially correct Ed. Lincoln was not President of both the Union and the Confederates. They were two entirely different entities with different leaders. The Confederacy had seceded from the Union and counting casualties from both sides would be like including Iraqi military deaths in the total for U.S. casualties. So your inflated number is way off.

Some folks think we may be on the verge of another Civil War. The nation is as divided as it's ever been. The Liberals have already been using guerilla tactics such as the character assassination of Judge Kavanaugh. And it could be argued that they have already fired the first shots... with the Liberal Democrat shooting at Republicans and wounding Rep. Steve Scalise at a Congressional baseball game.... and the targeting and killing of Police Officers as a result of Liberal calls to kill cops. So if things really get going, who do you think will get the blame for U.S. casualties, since the shooting began under Obama's watch?

But just in.... BREAKING NEWS from the Democrats.... reports that Kavanaugh may be guilty of attempted murder for throwing a snowball at another kid while at recess in Kindergarten.... further FBI Investigations are needed in spite of, and in addition to, presumed guilt.

ed good, I can't say how much I appreciate your straightening out Civil War history for me. I'd never have guessed that Lincoln's intention was to kill a record number of troops. I'd always thought he was serious about preserving the union. For sheer stupidity you share top honors with our loud-mouthed bully.

You put your insults in the wrong place Billy. I'll move it to your own thread in the Custom Rifle forum where I'm sure you actually intended to put your off-topic bullshit.

No need to thank me. But it is interesting to see that you consider my detailed reply to Tom C's question as bullying. I suppose you think it would have been better to run and hide from his question like you do.

Did you call or email to ask your Senators to stop the silly games and vote to confirm a pro-gun Supreme Court Justice yet? If not, then take your off-topic crap elsewhere and start your own thread to bash pro-gun Conservatives again.

well, keet, hit were yankee armies under de command o de great satan usurper dat violated the sovereignty of the southern states...heroic and righteous southern armies only invaded one northern state in a defensive effort to convince their northern brothers of the error of following the megalomaniac tyrant that was a. lincoln...

without lincoln, there would have been no war, and hence no casualties on either side...

uh bill, some have suggested that lincoln's agenda for the first two years or so of the war was to create enough northern casualties, to cause the northern people to hate their southern brothers enough to pursue his unholy and unjust war...if so, it really explains why lincoln appointed so many inept generals to command his armies, until after vicksburg and gettysburg...by then, he had created enough hate and anger for revenge, that he put in his a team killers, with the likes of grant, sherman and sheridan in the lead...

and i excuse your insult, as you have been exposed to an intolerable amount of personal attacks here, that may have infected you wid keet syndrome...i may not agree with some of your views, but i do respect your willingness to share them here...

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I don't like it when the term "Liberalism" is applied to "Leftism".

(And I also apologize if I am going too far off-topic.)

Liberalism, as originally conceived by the likes of Jefferson, Locke, etc, was the belief in LIBERTY and freedom, especially economic freedom and individual rights (especially those of property, speech, and self-defense).

Then Leftists later (around 1914, I believe) coopted the term with their doublespeak, as they are still wont to do, and twisted the meaning into something entirely different (see also "gun safety", "social justice", etc).

If we allow Leftists to control the language like this, then they have already won half the battle, as the normies are quite often taken in by the doublespeak without knowing any better.

Instead, let us take back the language, and discard their twisted doublespeak.

So that being the case, I'm a "Liberal", because I believe in the ideas of freedom and individual liberty that our fine country was founded on. I'll call myself a "Classical Liberal", to differentiate myself from the Socialists, to the normies, I guess. For now.

Instead, let's call them Leftists, Socialists, or even Communists in some cases, because that's what they really are. I don't think the term "Progressive" even really applies anymore.

That's my opinion, anyway. But maybe I am full of sh*t. :3

I normally ignore Ed's insane ramblings because i think he's mostly harmless. But i grew up in Illinois. Lived in Springfield for awhile. Have been to the Old State Capital, where Lincoln gave his famous "House Divided Against Itself" speech, many times. Toured the Lincoln Home in Springfield (only house Lincoln ever owned) many times. Been to the Lincoln Museum in Springfield many times (really good and highly recommended). And Ed's latest is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read here.

If you think the Southern states seceded for any reason other than their desire to maintain slavery, i encourage you to go read the secession statements by South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi, etc. It wasn't about state's rights or sovereignty or anything else. Lincoln was our greatest President. Full stop. Without him i do not believe the US as we know it today would exist.

Finally, Ed's statement that "some have suggested" whatever, is the lazy man's way of putting forth wacko theories. Who suggested? Where did they write it? What are their qualifications? You get the idea.

I could not agree more. Language is important and the Left keep stealing words and twisting their meaning.

If Lincoln weren't so frisky, rbg wouldn't have gotten pinched on the butt when she was seventy-sumthin to start all this nonsense.

for goillini:

http://miketgriffith.com/files/smearingmcclellan.htm

https://snapoutofitamerica.wordpress.com...onfederate-war/

Ed, here's a quote I found online which might be instructive for you:

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."

A. Lincoln

The wisdom of Sparticus Booker, who has now declared that it doesn't matter if Kavanaugh is innocent
https://www.lifenews.com/2018/07/25/pro-...plicit-in-evil/
"In a moral moment, there is no bystanders. You are either complicit in the evil, you are either contributing to the wrong, or you are fighting against it."

Stolen from
John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address: Delivered to the University of St. Andrews, Feb. 1st 1867.
"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."

Dietrich Bonhoeffer The Cost of Discipleship
"Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act."
Bonhoeffer returned to Germany from the U.S. in 1939 to confront the Nazis and the complicit National Church, and paid for it with his life when he was executed by hanging in the basement prison at Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse February 6, 1945.

goil: watt ah learnt bout lincoln predates da internet...

Well, Ed, the dates on both of your "sources" seems to be sometime in 2014. I'm pretty sure the internet was around before then. But whatever you say.

Have you read the southern states secession statements? Now those predate the internet.

You really haven't "learnt" much about anything it seems.

CB, How does one steal a word? When you use it, presumably, it retains it's fixed, true meaning. When someone else uses it, the meaning is hopelessly garbled. Is this your point? You're especially on target with regard to conservatism. In the past, it meant respect for tradition and the need to proceed slowly in breaking new ground. It did not mean turning the country over to big money to despoil the earth and buy their Congress. Just a reminder here that the truth cuts both ways.

James, do you think Billy is referring to the big money from Liberal Left Democrat Socialist Billionaires like George Soros, a Leftist who uses vast sums to influence Congress and elections?

Do you think Billy would ever be honest with us and tell you that Ana Maria Archilla and Maria Gallager, the two protesters who confronted Sen. Jeff Flake over Kavanaugh's confirmation last week were activists and the executive director of the Center for Popular Democracy? Do you think Billy would ever tell us that Left Wing Organization is funded by the anti-gunner Billionaire Soros?,

Billy is still returning to bash Conservatives. But notice that he won't post this crap in the Custom Rifle forum where his rifle pals would see it. I'm sure that was just an oversight on his part, so I'll help him out and put his Liberal Left drivel there for him and his friends to enjoy. Just part of my spirit of bipartisanship.

I figured that when Rocky Mtn Bill referred to big money buying Congress, he was referring to the big money contributed primarily to Democrats by unions like the NEA.

metoo. It's odd how any ole word is presumed to have more integrity than the US Constitution.

As Paul Harvey used to say. “ And now for the rest of he story”

Fords two front doors explained. Seems like for years she has been renting out part of her home illegally. The two doors allows a separation of her home from the business. Little miss innocent may be even more crafty than we imagined.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...ry__138225.html

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/...or_account.html

Looks like the liberal push to bork Judge Kavanaugh has failed. Although he went through the ringer and is probably still washing all the Democrat slung brown stuff off his person, he ultimately prevailed. I’m thrilled....a conservative court is clearly what America needs.

Buzz, did you happen to see anti-gun Liberal Left Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein speak before the Cloture vote today? I'd say at least 20 percent of it was her complaining about how ridgid and uncompromising Judge Kavanaugh is concerning maintaining the 2nd Amendment as the Framers intended.

I urge anyone who still thinks there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to supporting the gun rights of law abiding citizens watch that speech.

I hope everyone remembers this, and that we all do our part to make sure we vote for politicians who aren't this filthy and anti-gun next month.

If they had the balls for it it would be nice if she got charge with perjury. Next time someone wants to invent a story like hers they will be a lot more careful about what facts they invent and which ones they hedge. If only they had the balls.

Keith, Yes, I listened to Senator Feinstein’s speech today. All I can say about her is I’m overjoyed she lost. She’s very vicious, really a despicable monster in my opinion, and I would not be surprised if it is later proven she engineered this entire charade to bring this man down. Feinstein and her ilk will stop at nothing to advance their agenda, no matter who gets hurt in the process. But, this time she lost, and I hope the senator is way more tarnished than her target. I also hope the right wing is energized and gets their revenge by getting out the vote for the midterms, as a result of her backfired scheming. That win would be ever so sweet.

Keep pushing, left. Keep pushing.

This kind of garbage is what made Trump 2016 happen, and this kind of garbage is what will make Trump 2020 a reality.

Recon Kavanagh will forget how the socialist idiots treated him...

The idiot Feinstein should be impeached.

Next to fall will be Justice Ginsburg

jOe, that's the wrong thing to say...Geo

I don’t think that man has forgotten anything in the last 40 years. It would take a very special man to forgive and forget what the Liberals tried to do to him. No, I think he’s never going to give them and their causes the benefit of doubt. I suspect he will frustrate them for years, using the US Constitution as a undisputed weapon. Which may have been their fear after all. They have spent years trying to twist it into a pretzel to suit their desires when they could not pass laws honestly. I hope Feinstein dies with the certain knowledge she failed completely.

I certainly don’t wish the old mummy any ill, but I’m not going to shed any tears on the day she’s enjoying Rigoletto with her Italian buddy at the big opera in the sky.


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https://youtu.be/fPgOMhrRTG0

Geo...you ever watch the TV series "The Walking Dead" ?

She says she's planning on hanging in there until she's 90. Trump's got two, hopefully 6 more years in office if he doesn't get canned. I think she's got a good chance of outlasting him. I hate her politics but I wish her good health...Geo

She's about to literally loose her chit Geo.....

She promised to move to Switzerland or somewhere if Trump got elected. What's keeping her?

Probably, her health.

jOe, I didn't know you had a sense of humor. Good for you.

that made me laugh out loud! hehe

I needed that to make a lousy rainy day better!

Gunter

That was funny!

Almost as funny as watching Sen. Susan Collins' speech yesterday where she thoughtfully and carefully detailed her reasons for a vote to confirm Kavanaugh, and rejected the insane and overzealous tactics of the Liberal left Democrats.

Let's all hope that sentiment was a microcosm of a broad understanding that the Democrats over-played a dishonest hand... and a hope that they pay for that again on Election Day.

Let's get out there and make it happen! We can insure that the Constitution and our Gun Rights remain intact and solid for another generation. Or we can get complacent and let a golden opportunity slip away.

While many of you know, keith and I are not the best of buds by any stretch of the imagine, I will give credit were credit is due. He really has hit a home run with this subject. I agree 110% on what he has said.

Thank God he will be confirmed today!

I also must say the post that jOe made had me rolling! Just great!

Best,

Greg

It is interesting to note that the one Democratic senator who will vote "For" Kavanaugh is from West Virginia. In June of 1863, a part of Virginia broke away from the then CSA state of Virginia (Formerly Democratic USA) & joined itself under the name of West Virginia to the now Republican USA. It is also interesting that though about 8 months after Lincoln's Infamous Emancipation Proclamation W Virginia was admitted to the Union as a "Slave State".

And he’s in!

Well done America.

Now Rocky mountain bill can go stick his head in a prairie dog hole and kiss his azz good bye....

I hope Alaska sends Murkowski packing at the first opportunity. She appears to have taken up the mantle left by the death of John McCain.

Thanks much cback. Reluctantly, I would have to give some credit to Senate Republicans, flashes of some spunk-n-spine.

Perhaps Trump is leading by example and they are learning that sticking to their guns, rather than caving to the vocal minority, may actually work.

By just about every measure, Trump is one of the most successful presidents of the post war era. Economy booming, unemployment at historic lows, regulatory bullshit being removed. Looking forward to another 6 years of him leading by example. I suspect voters in Canada and Europe may start expecting more from their leaders.

Keep draining that swamp, baby!

Agree on both counts.
JR

Many thanks to all who took the time to contact their Senators to voice their support for a pro-Constitution and strong pro-2nd Amendment Supreme Court Justice.... Brett Kavanaugh.

We can never relax and let our guard down, but this will do a lot to insure that our kids and grandkids will get to enjoy the same kind of freedoms we have. Many thanks to our Canadian friend James (canvasback) for his thoughts and his reliable support for our gun rights and our Republic. And thanks too to Greg for his kind words, in spite of differences we've had.

I hope everyone will now take a few minutes to contact their Senators once more... to thank them for voting to confirm Kavanaugh... or to inform those who voted against him that you will work to replace them at election time with someone who represents your interests. I am also hopeful that Alaskans won't forget Murkowski's vote when she runs again in 2022.

And lets hope that Ruth Bader-Ginsburg retires soon, and Trump nominates another pro-gun Conservative.

She and the other usual suspects just aren't worth the hoops that the party has to jump through, but in this situation, she came through with a huge present vote.

"And lets hope that Ruth Bader-Ginsburg retires soon, and Trump nominates another pro-gun Conservative"

Here, here +1 !!!!!!!!!

Ruth Bader-Gingburg is not going to retire. She is going out feet first. Problem for her is she is 85 years old and has had cancer two times. So it becomes a contest of last person standing, her or the President. My money is on him or his successor.

I am so happy these shrill, screaming, crying, flakes, who went nuts over this nomination will not be rewarded with seeing him fail to get in. Now if the backlash for the Democratic behavior harms their election chances as much as it looks like it might I will be a very happy person.

I predict she will leave because of medical reasons...after we sweep the mid term elections.

Ditto, I agree.

Let the party begin! I just need to find my red Solo cup.

Steve I bet it makes you want to just go jump off a cliff doesn't it....


Just saying you being a liberal socialist at heart.

No not at all Frank. Does not bother me in the least he is on the court. Good for gun rights. Democracy at work....kinda ugly, like making sausage but I think our system is a good one. It will all work out in the end.

Awe, c'mon Steve, wasn't it time for a quick joint when kagan fibbed?

Steve we fought long and hard to get him confirmed...


Can't even a socialist liberal turd like you show a little respect for the guy.

Ps...jOe'few'chus say

Make sausage o'ly ugly to idiOt dat neva make sawsage.

Maybe you could explain that one to me Craig.....totally missed it sorry.

Now Frank yesterday you were posting jokes about the two witches. Not able to laugh a bit at your guy? We all know he was party boy in college. So what? Who really cares? I partied plenty in college and for a bit after. It is all part of growing up. He made the court....be happy.

Yuck, yuck, yuck, now I get it.

Thanks for the consolation prize. Now how should we bork, because we grew up all the same, the next activist nominee? Perhaps celebrate with a little tofu and sprouts, because sausage is so offensive?

Now that it's over and we're all friends again, how about a little heads up on the next talking point? Maybe, we could be a little proactive, get the next laugh started early?

Life must be tough as a staunch party guy(R kind not keg kind) Craig. Always towing the line. I love being an unaffiliated voter, you know wading in only knee deep or so, I am able to laugh at both sides jokes. Does not bother me a bit how someone else votes either. I see it as all part of our wonderful Democracy. Then again, the culture war bores me on both sides, as does the Partisanship. Now that we are all friends again, the next time you pass through on I-25 you can at least honk the horn as well as wave. Hope you have a good hunting hunting season.

I can't say that life is so tough, but thanks for asking. I like a good laugh, I'd suppose as much as the next person. You have offended me by not laughing along with my jokes about hypocrisy and equivocation. My feelings have been hurt, are comfort ponies and safe rooms still necessary, or is it okay to have a beer?

Honk on I-25, no thank you. Half the time it's a parking lot, and your good road rag'in neighbors might not get the joke, eh?

I thought it was funny. Steve’s right. Many of us partied pretty hard back in those days. Then we grow up and move on. I

By all means have beer and let the past be the past......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOWS7tSinzs

If you thought this was messy you have no clue what may be coming. Looking at the Presidents short list the most likely next nomination will be for a female, Catholic. When they get to her pro-life stance heads will literally explode. And here is the rub, I question if the Democrats can afford to piss off every Catholic voter and many female voters by attacking a female like they did Kavanaugh?

The Liberal Left gunsmith SKB can always be counted upon to post something to denigrate a pro-gun Republican. Did any of you ever once see Lefty Stevie showing us his self-proclaimed bi-partisan Independent Moderate side by posting pictures of his hero Barack Obama smoking a joint?

SKB has been saying he doesn't approve of politics in the Classic Rifle Forum in rocky mtn bill's "Favorite Rifles" thread. I will move a quote of his post with Kavanaugh bringing a beer keg into Supreme Court confirmation to illustrate his truthfulness and sincerity about that.

But I'm also still waiting for him, or Billy, or nca225, or Tom C, or any other Liberals to question whether Obama was fit for office, or if he should have had the power to nominate Supreme Court Justices. There was photographic evidence of Obama using illegal drugs, and he admitted to using marijuana and cocaine:

Keith, from one of my favourite writers, politicians and defenders of freedom. It’s good advice.

“In War: Resolution.
In Defeat: Defiance.
In Victory. Magnanimity.
In Peace. Goodwill.”

Winston Churchill.

We’ve just had a significant victory with extremely long lasting implications. And reasonable expectations of more to come. Magnanimity wouldn’t be a bad look for the moment.

Sure that was funny, I guess. The real knee slapper is, many of us had job interviews back in those days. How's the ole saying go, then we grow up and move on. That's a good one too, cback!

In today's world, how could being pro pot ever look bad? History is a living and breathing thing, presenting joe cool as he was probably meant to be.

https://youtu.be/vlxkcewBEe0


_________________________
Nothing is resolved. Only a battle won.
(King must have me on ignore. Or too busy looking at leaves. Or hates hockey)

James, I'll remember that... when the war is over.

Liberals are not finished trying to overturn our Constitutional Republic. They have not accepted the peaceful transfer of power that has defined us through over 240 years. They are still vowing to take the House and Senate. And they are vowing to impeach Trump and Kavanaugh if they regain power less than a month from now. And Dianne Feinstein's speech a couple days ago confirmed they certainly haven't given up on attempting to gut the 2nd Amendment.

I don't recall Winston Churchill showing "Magnanimity or Goodwill" toward Hitler after winning one battle. Do you?

Too funny LR

Craig....Don't be such a sore winner.

In times like this we should look to that great American Scholar from the past, Rodney King "can we all JUST get along? Can we get along?"

Well at least we get a pause before President Cory Booker gets into office!

For the moment, Keith. For the moment.

I certainly didn’t say the war was over, just suggested we were victorious in this battle. There is more to the quote than the one line about victory. I expect you would be defiant in defeat and I know you are resolute in war. I just think there is something to be gained by remembering the other two lines.

Yes, many of us did have job interviews etc. And still partied. Are you suggesting you never imbibed?

And to your other post, as a resident of a country about to legalize pot, I’m no fan of it. But I don’t think we should be wasting a lot of resources trying to prohibit it. Please show me where that works. Just one more thing the government should piss off about.

Fair enough James. Just let me know when the war, or even this battle, between Conservatives and Liberal Left Democrats has ended... or at least entered into a truce...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/6/nancy-pelosi-file-foia-request-fbi-report-sexual-a/

And after you do that, let me know when the time comes that we no longer have guys like King, rocky mtn bill, nca225, SKB, etc., constantly supporting anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Left Democrats.

It will be a lot easier to show magnanimity and goodwill when we don't have disingenuous people who claim to be on our side continually stabbing us in the back.

I didn't want this thread to become a political pissing contest. I said that in my initial post. But several Liberal Left Democrats decided it was their duty to denigrate a very pro-gun Supreme Court nominee. I can show grudging respect for guys like King and Billy, and gals like nca225, who can at least admit to their Liberal Left slant. Guys like our Liberal gunsmith who tries to hide it are another story.

EDIT: And here comes one of them now... responding in order to cover his tracks... even though he claims to IGNORE my posts! Do you think it will be a clever reply to craigd, or an invitation to go hunting, or maybe some pictures of a grip cap or buttstock???

2ND EDIT: He saw my first edit and decided to hold off for now. Didn't you Stevie? Just do it. You aren't fooling that many here anymore.

Savor the victory man, savor the victory. The war will never be over. There will always be us and them. That's the way of mankind. But once in a while you need to take a break and enjoy what you have won. And this was a big win for all of us.

Think so James? I just can not buy into the US or the Them Theory. Just not my thing.

Your earlier post on College. I did both, worked Summers in order to chase girls in bikinis Fall and Spring. Pretty good gig at the time I thought. I managed to get very good grades while never missing a party. I always took morning classes and remember some really rough ones. I was able to sneak in a backpack trip or two to Europe as well. Yep, good times!

It was a big victory James. It only happened because a small majority managed to elect Trump and a Republican Senate. We see a lot of football games lost late in the fourth quarter, when the team that is winning lets up on the throttle and starts to celebrate early. And we also see a lot of teams lose to a lesser opponent a week after becoming complacent after a big win.

... And termites do their damage by hiding and working from within:



Happy Thanksgiving James.

The anti-gunners can go to hell.

Yup cback, I drank like a fish in college. I don't think I was one of those grumpy drunks, just a silly kid. I sort of moved on, but it never occurred to me to bork someone I was going to hire when I got drift that they might be some whiny progressive. Where'd I go wrong?

There is the libertarian view of recreational pot use, but you might recall that little back and forth Bill and I had about his home state? There's no doubt in my mind that marijuana is a gateway drug to the worse sorts of misery. Ask Bill, there's some big social welfare medicaid initiative being spammed on MT TV right now for the upcoming elections. Wasting resources? Get 'em hooked on abusable drugs first, then on entitlements next cuz they're sick, eh?

Legalising any mind or mood altering drug is just another ploy by the liberal socolists to get control.

Is there not a DEMOCRAT defender of drugs that wants to tell me I'm wrong ?

On his first day as a Supreme Ct. Justice, Kavanaugh hired an African-American law clerk. This single hire equals the total number of African-American law clerks hired by Ruth Bader Ginsburg in her 25 years on the Supreme Ct. Ginsburg is obviously a racist and I'm waiting for impeachment proceedings to remove her from the Court.

You're right, Joe, if you leave the politics out of it. Making it lawful can't have a good end. Problem is everyone is using it.

Not "Everyone"

Only people that live in LA LA land...

Last year in conversation, a distinguished American author said to the Canadian president of the international Atlantic Salmon Federation: "Did you know King has never tried drugs?" "I don't either," was the reply. Like everything, there are always exceptions. I would't expect any difference from a John Deere man!

King, was that another of your imaginary conversations with equally imaginary influential people... much like the one where several Roman Catholic clerics told you that they don't believe in the Resurrection????... except that you couldn't give us their names to verify that wild claim???

For a guy who claims to have never used drugs, your mind seems toasted enough that Oscar Gaddy could've used it in a crucible to case harden shotgun parts.

So should we ban alcohol? Seems to me the temperance movement was driven by a bunch of feminist communist types.

So, the socialists want to ban drugs or they want to legalize drugs. Which is it jOe? Can't be both.

Spending money helping(?) those who have ruined their lives with drugs is an entirely different subject. One worthy of discussion perhaps but it's dumb to conflate the two issues.

Tell me how effective overall and cost effective specifically banning pot and other recreational drugs have been. Seems to me we've wasted a bunch of money, anyone who wanted to do them does them and we have created, by allowing the black market to exist, the richest, most powerful criminal organizations in history.

Yeah, that's been real good policy. LOL

The gospels are filled with inspiration, knowledge, myths and misrepresentations, innocent and otherwise. My father was accepted into Catholicism not believing in the resurrection and infallibility by senior clerics in our university town known as the Little Vatican or Little Rome. Not unusual in a faith where a word at last breath absolves all sins as pathway to another life. A son would dishonour his father by not telling the truth of his spiritual life.

Save the false bullshit story for someone who knows nothing about Baptism and converting to Catholicism, King.

What you claim is not only unusual, but it would be anathema to the foundation of the Catholic Church, or any other Christian religion. So give us the name and phone number of even one senior cleric at St. Francis Xavier University who doesn't believe in the Resurrection, and who would Baptize an adult convert who said that out loud, during the questions pertaining to faith in the basic tenets of the Church, directly preceding his Baptism.

And what would be the point of converting in the first place... to a religion that celebrates the Resurrection during Communion at every Mass? Why would someone who felt that Jesus was a mere mortal wish to participate in something he felt was a fairy tale? By repeating this bullshit, you have dishonored your Father either way, because if it was true, you'd be telling us that he lied when answering the questions preceding Baptism. An adult convert answers those questions himself. The ONLY other possibility would be if he was incapacitated and Baptized when he was in an unconscious state. I do not believe that your Father lied, or was unconscious, so that leaves one other possibility.

You know what really isn't unusual? For Liberal Left Socialists to tell lies in order to advance their agenda. We saw that numerous times last week during the disgusting display the Democrats put on in the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings and vote.

We had Blasey-Ford claiming PTSD from alleged attempted rape, including fear of passenger jet cabins, when she had flown in small private aircraft. She claimed that she needed an extra door in her home because of claustrophobia, when the real reason was to violate zoning laws and rent out part of her place. We had Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal lecturing Republicans about the importance of honesty, when he had lied about serving in Vietnam. And still, none of Kavanaugh's multiple accusers has filed charges with police in a State with no statute of limitations on attempted rape. Shall I repeat all of the other lies and hypocrisy that none of our Libtards could explain?

And here's a link to a time when you let your guard down and admitted that Liberals lie for the (Socialist) faith:

King Justifying Liberals Lying -- post #389019

"What you claim is not only unusual, but it would be anathema to the foundation of the Catholic Church, or any other Christian religion. So give us the name and phone number of even one senior cleric at St. Francis Xavier University who doesn't believe in the Resurrection, and who would Baptize an adult convert who said that out loud, during the questions pertaining to faith in the basic tenets of the Church, directly preceding his Baptism.

And what would be the point of converting in the first place... to a religion that celebrates the Resurrection during Communion at every Mass? Why would someone who felt that Jesus was a mere mortal wish to participate in something he felt was a fairy tale? By repeating this bullshit, you have dishonored your Father either way, because if it was true, you'd be telling us that he lied when answering the questions preceding Baptism. An adult convert answers those questions himself. The ONLY other possibility would be if he was incapacitated and Baptized when he was in an unconscious state. I do not believe that your Father lied, or was unconscious, so that leaves one other possibility."

Well stated! My family and I are Traditional Catholics (but not St Pius X Society). My wife is a convert and she never had any priest tell her it's okay not to believe this or that on any Church teachings. As the saying goes, you take the whole loaf. In short, if she didn't accept what the Church taught, they didn't want her to convert until she did and above all believed what the Church teaches in her heart. It's all spelled out in the CCC.

Best,

Greg

You may have an issue with the Church, keith. There are a few.

Bet if the Bishop asked them, they couldn't "remember the house or how they got to the party" either....

Checkmate!

You should know better, King. Don’t cut across the trolley tracks.


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What's said of resurrection as foundation of Christian faith is true, Greg. There are thousands of notions of faith within Christianity and thousands more within other religions. One of Canada's most distinguish commentators, Michael Enright, said on his Sunday national radio program "the Catholic Church is the biggest criminal organization in the world"---and no one said boo. The church is changing too fast for many and too slow for others. Changing from earlier taught, yes. Infallibility? Benedict says "Who am I to judge."

It's not for me to say why Dad was accepted. His friend and mentor, Msgr Francis Smyth, told me at baptism that my father knew more about the Church than he "and I studied for seven years in Rome."My guide in these matters is Northrop Frye, Canadian ordained minister and author of The Great Code, the Bible and Literature, and considered one of the most influential literary critics and literary theorists of the 20th century. I commend one of his quotes to you:

"The knowledge you can have is inexhaustible, and what is inexhaustible is benevolent. The knowledge you cannot have is of the riddles of birth and death, of our future destiny and the purposes of God. Here there is no knowledge, but illusions that restrict freedom and limit hope. Accept the mystery behind knowledge: it is not darkness but shadow."

My three sons married Catholics. Their eight children were raised as Catholics, and their eight children are Catholics. I live in an Acadian parish where the priest counselled tubal ligation for families too large to provide properly for their children. Unlike the mostly deferential Irish, the French take their priest on when they think he is wrong. Your spiritual community may do things differently, Greg. I doubt it would accuse our Acadians as failed or bullshitters.

I'd agree, it's a laugher. But, not at all because of the banning itself, but the will to enforce the ban. Everyone, or nearly, speeds, but there're no serious calls to throw out speed limits. While it may not seem so, a speed limit sign is a deterrent and nothing says oh crap like seeing blue lights in the rear view mirror. Like I mentioned, I can completely understand the libertarian point of view, but the real lol is that this recreational drug use is victimless.

Maybe not, but can they be accused of being Catholic?

Good one craigd!

I dunno, King. That Frye guy sounds like a bigger dumbass than Gurnall.


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Good one, indeed. I don't know the answer, craig. Would Jesus say I want thinking followers not by rote in a changing church abiding by the overarching injunction to love? What do you think? I'm like Amos wandering in the desert plucking wild figs, looking for answers. Frye is a big help to me.

Religion has always been about controlling people...with religion somewhat lost the next logical step is to control people with drugs. Controlling people with drugs was tried in an African country...for a short time.

Think about it get them stoned and they won't have a care in the world.

Start executing drug smugglers and dealers and it will solve the drug problem in short order...putting them in jail is not cost effective and doesn't work when you have a scum bag Democrat setting them free.

Why any person of sound mind could think that legalizing a drug is the answer to a drug problem is beyond me.

Here ya' go LR

William Gurnall The Christian in Complete Armour
We fear men so much, because we fear God so little. One fear cures another.

1 Timothy 1:15 "Christ Jesus came to save sinners"
Not to establish a church by which we can be saved, nor a religion (from the Latin religare "to bind together with an oath"), but to make born again disciples who obey His (and the Apostles' by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) teachings (Matthew 28:19-20) given in the Bible...most of which are pretty clear.

I can admit when I’m wrong. Gurnall is definitely a bigger dumbass than Frye.

Shootout in Dallas tonight. Toronto 5 Dallas 3 end of second.


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I think we all understand what you are saying King.

You are saying that you cannot come up with even one practicing Catholic priest or cleric at St. Francis Xavier, or anywhere else for that matter, who would verify your bullshit and tell us that the Catholic Church was founded on a lie.

It would be the greatest hoax in all history, if true. Literally billions of believers, living and dead, laymen, and Priests, and Nuns, and Friars, and Ministers, Cardinals, Bishops, and Popes who dedicated their lives to worship and reverence for a fraud. A Messiah who wasn't... a Savior who was just another fraud.

And yet you tell us that your Father knew all of this... he knew more about the massive fraud than his mentor, Fr. Smyth... yet he wanted to join anyway!

There are a small fraction of rogue priests who went way beyond counseling tubal ligation. They advised children to keep quiet about sexual abuse. That certainly doesn't make them practitioners of another notion of faith. Greg knows, as do I, that adult converts to Catholicism are asked a series of questions pertaining to their beliefs prior to Baptism. It is called the Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith. There are no regional differences that make disbelief in the Resurrection an acceptable option... or as you have stated in the past of your Father's conversion... "ahead of his time."

You've been wandering in the desert alright. But those cow pies you are dishing out aren't wild figs. Twice I saw you log in to make a reply, and you logged out without submitting anything. The truth rolls off the tongue easily, but it takes time to craft a good lie... to explain away another lie.

He’s checking both ways before crossing the trolley tracks. Or looking up another dumbass Frye quote.


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I'm betting those cow pies King has been hanging around have Magic mushrooms in them.

Except for the mention of Jesus, I think that's something something secular progressives would philosophize about on a college campus or in a coffee shop. Don't you? The dilemma it seems, is that these same folks are philosophizing about killing a judge. All embracing in an oddly narrow way, isn't it?

Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
Act 8:26  And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 
Act 8:27  And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 
Act 8:28  Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 
Act 8:29  Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 
Act 8:30  And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 
Act 8:31  And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 
Act 8:32  The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 
Act 8:33  In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 
Act 8:34  And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 
Act 8:35  Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 
Act 8:36  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 
Act 8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 
Act 8:38  And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 
Act 8:39  And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 
Act 8:40  But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. 

It's all quite simple, without "Faith" in a resurrected Savior a person can "Get Wet" but they have not been "Baptized". Nota Bene; this is not "MY" personal opinion, this is the Word of God.

You can disagree with me all you desire to, just remember when you start disagreeing with God you are gambling your eternal Soul.

Well stated, Miller.

SRH

The Jesus in which we must believe and to whom we must surrender must be the Jesus of the Bible. An imaginary Jesus, who didn't prove His victory over sin and death by the resurrection, is no Savior.

More Gurnall for LR
"It is natural for every man to desire to accom­modate his lusts with such conceptions of God as may be most favourable to, and suit best with, them. God chargeth some for this: ‘Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself,’ Psalm 50:21."
(In man's image and imagination, man created god. See Isaiah 65:2)

Yes, the whole thing is "embracing in an oddly narrow way." To me, what we're embracing is not what Jesus taught. The way members cut up each other with vulgar and obnoxious behaviour is antithesis to requirements of Christian doctrine and dogma, numbering in the hundreds in "The True Church" alone.

I'm with The Ten Commandments and the simple injunction to love. The great Frye is a backstop: "The knowledge you cannot have is of the riddles of birth and death and the purposes of God. Here there is no knowledge, but illusions that restrict freedom and limit hope." I leave it there.

(As for the judge thing, it will hurt and be hateful but I believe it the best thing that could happen for your great country, under the circumstances.)

Why on earth would you care what Jesus taught King? According to you, and the bullshit story you keep repeating concerning your Dad's Baptism, he was just another guy preaching his own dogma.

You have repeatedly claimed that your father was Baptized as an adult convert to Catholicism, without belief in the Resurrection. You have stated that the Catholic clerics present at his Baptism didn't believe in it either, and your Dad was simply "... ahead of his time" in that un-belief. And you have claimed in the past, that a group of Catholic priests you related this ongoing argument to stated, in public and in unison, "We don't believe in it either."

And you seriously expect us to believe that your father, an intelligent man by all accounts, chose to become a Catholic knowing the whole Church was built upon a lie???

King, if you really dislike being treated with vulgar and obnoxious behavior, maybe a good place to start would be to simply stop lying to us and feeding us your agenda driven bullshit. But we all know that's never going to happen so long as you're still breathing. I don't think that Jesus commanded us to show respect to people who would lie about the circumstances of his own father's Baptism and acceptance of Christ as Messiah and Savior.

I'll borrow some of Miller's words. I continue to believe that your Dad didn't just "get wet". I believe he was Baptized as an adult because he believed in the Resurrection. Thinking men do not make such a decision knowing they would be joining a fraudulent Church that worships a phony Savior. Your version makes no sense, and you have repeatedly failed to provide the name of even one practicing Catholic cleric who would back up your lies. You can lie, and you can fall back on the writings of Frye. And you can continue to make yourself look like a pathetic fool. If saying that makes me an obnoxious sinner, so be it.

Oh yes, your response to craigd concerning the desire of many on the left to kill our new Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh was revealing, especially considering how you went on for weeks and ratted out Jim over the lie that he was counseling us to shoot the anti-gunner George Soros. Incredible.... in the purest sense of the word.

Your second paragraph is an accurate account. I was there. What you believe is no concern of mine.

I gave the name of the senior cleric at Dad's baptism, Msgr. Francis Smith, now deceased, as others present 25 years ago.

The Church is continually making changes to keep up with the times. Dad was another and the Church was glad to have him.

Our family goes back a long way dedicated to Christianity. Dad's father worked with General Booth in early days of the Salvation Army, and later as music director for Gipsy Smith, one of the greatest evangelists of the period.

My father sang professionally as a boy soprano at Toronto's biggest Catholic church, St. Michael's Cathedral, and at Timothy Eaton United Church. His father was also prime contractor for the Martyr's Shrine, Midland, Ont.

My sister, a clergyman's wife, ran unsuccessfully for the Christian Heritage Party in Ontario in a federal election. All set examples of Christian values. None would have made the accusations here without a shred of evidence.

None here would have repeated such a ridiculous and outlandish claim without a shred of evidence... except for you King. Your only "witness" is a dead priest. That's even less compelling than any of the wild unsubstantiated accusations Democrats used to try to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation. You can't even keep the name of the dead Monsignor straight, first spelling his last name "Smyth", and now "Smith". And considering your past veracity, your eyewitness testimony isn't worth a cup of warm spit.

You say the Catholic Church was glad to welcome an unbeliever into their ranks. But you dishonor your own father by suggesting that he would be stupid enough to seek adult conversion and Baptism into a religion that he knew was built on a big fat lie, worshiped a phony Messiah who was a mere mortal, and employed dishonest clerics who perpetuated the greatest fraud in all of history.

Why???

I know you think we're all stupid, and I know you adhere to the belief that if you tell a lie often enough, people will eventually believe it. Sorry, it doesn't look as if anyone believes you. You also say this:



But it absolutely is a concern of yours King. It must be. Or you wouldn't keep returning with more fluff and more bullshit in an attempt to convince everyone that I'm vulgar and obnoxious, and that you are somehow better because some people in your family sang in choirs and have Christian values. If your argument was an airplane, it wouldn't clear the trees at the end of the runway.

Exo 10:3  And Moses and Aaron came in unto Pharaoh, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me? let my people go, that they may serve me. 

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Joh 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1Pe 1:24  For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 
1Pe 1:25  But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The word of any "Man" which cannot be backed up by a "Thus Saith the Lord" is worthless. To deny the resurrection of the Savior is not "Ahead of the Times", it has been done for nigh onto 2000 years & is as Blasphemous today as it was then.

This is a shotgun board, I had no intention of turning it into a religious discussion, but sometimes circumstances simply cannot be allowed to stand "Unchallenged" by one who is proclaiming to be a "Christian" & Just a Christian. While in his earthly ministry Jesus himself stated: "I Will Build ""MY"" Church" (Matt:18). We find the fulfillment of this promise in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost, 49 days after his resurrection. (50 days after the Sabbath of which he spent the entirety in the grave).
The church was Built on the Rock of the statement the Apostle Peter had stated that "Thou Art the Christ, the Son of the Living God", it was not built on Peter.

The Catholic church (non-capital intentionally) based their whole idea for the "Pope" on this 16th chapter of Matt & to set him up as infallible. They also attempted to keep the Bible from ordinary people & as it has been called, Chain it to the pulpit. Even went so far as to Burn at the stake some who tried to translate the Word into English. A man named Wycliff had his bones dug up some 50 years after his death & burned at the stake for the heinous Crime of trying to establish an English translation of the Bible.

The Bible is the only Book which has ever been written, since the foundation of the World, which has "Needed NO Update" because it was written in such manner as none was needed. I don't really know what more proof one would need that it indeed was written by the Inspiration of the Spirit of God as it claims.

Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 
Heb 13:9  Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. 

The Meats here are speaking of the animal sacrifices which had formerly been required but had never been capable of "Forgiving Sins" that was accomplished "ONLY" by the Blood of Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FoUY9WXd8Q
JR

Thank you, John. That video is a powerful reminder of what our Lord did for us.

I have heard from detractors of Christianity that we participate in a bloody religion. I reply "You're mighty right we do. There is nothing in this world as precious to me as the shed blood of my Redeemer". It was God the Father who ordained that the shedding of blood was necessary for the forgiveness of sins. It has been thus since the Garden of Eden, when God Himself slayed animals, and clothed Adam and Eve with their skins to hide their newfound nakedness.

When I cross over, if I am asked why I am worth of entrance into heaven and the presence of God, I will plead "Only by the blood of Jesus". My good works here are less than nothing, if they don't serve to glorify Him.

SRH

I respond solely because of your false accusations. You make a point of being vulgar and obnoxious. You rarely post without insults. No other member behaves as you do.

What my father believed and acted on in the service of community met the Church's requirements here, home of a significant social movement of which he was a principal participant.

As I said earlier, you have an issue with the Church, not what my father chose from gospels of inspiration, wisdom, myth and metaphor.

There is not a time in my 80 years of life that I am able to remember that I do not recall that song (What Can Wash Away My Sins) being sung periodically. Not every service of course but on a fairly regular basis. I still enjoy singing it & it doesn't get Old.

Here, of course, we find the statement that the animal sacrifices which were a commandment did not actually take away the sins of the people. The Sacrifice of Jesus on the cross forgave the sins of those who had lived Godly previously & would forgive the sins of those who would obey him afterward.

Heb 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 
Heb 10:2  For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 
Heb 10:3  But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 
Heb 10:4  For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Jesus himself made this statement during his ministry;
Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Okay, in the church of social justice, how do you reconcile that the service of community is the entitlement to take? Is the house of cards based on a leap of faith?

[quote=King Brown]I respond solely because of your false accusations. You make a point of being vulgar and obnoxious. You rarely post without insults. No other member behaves as you do.

What my father believed and acted on in the service of community met the Church's requirements here, home of a significant social movement of which he was a principal participant.

As I said earlier, you have an issue with the Church, not what my father chose from gospels of inspiration, wisdom, myth and metaphor.





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A lot of people behave as he does KB. I do too when it come to the likes of you. I just have a hard time suffering through idiotic post after idiotic post that has your name on them. You’re a complete and utter gas bag, a buffoon of the highest order, a liar and for lack of better terms a flat out dipshit. Now kindly STFU, for once.

Wow King. If I didn't know better, I'd say you are losing your cool over this. I assume this reply was intended for me, even though it's obvious nobody else believes you either. This isn't the first time we've discussed this particular subject. I'll bet you wish you'd just stuck to the original topic of supporting confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh.

This really should have been quite easy for you. And one would think that, by now, some member of your vast fan club would have told us about some other rogue Catholic Diocese, Parish, or University that offered Baptism without belief in the Resurrection. Instead, we have guys citing Biblical Chapter and Verse to prove you wrong.

Or you yourself could've given us the name of an active practicing Catholic cleric who would support your insane and dishonest version of the events surrounding your father's Baptism, instead of a dead man... Msgr. Smyth... or Smith. If they're all dead, then how about the group of priests who you claimed told you in unison, "We don't believe in it either". That was only a couple years ago. Are they all dead too? Or, if St. Francis Xavier University really and truly was or is "home of a significant social movement of which he was a principal participant", then it should be relatively easy to prove that assertion.

Surely they must have something on their website or some literature or brochure touting their New Age Baptisms where belief in the Resurrection is optional. Surely there must be other priests there, or elsewhere, who would be happy to enlighten us about this revolutionary new idea that you claim made your father "... ahead of his time."

And instead of becoming combative and angry, you could have given us an answer to the very simple question I posed. If what you say was true, why would an intelligent man like your father seek adult conversion and Baptism to join a religion that was based upon the biggest lie in history? If he, being "ahead of his time," knew in his heart that Jesus was a phony, and that the clerics and his mentor were part of the scam, perpetuating this massive worldwide financial fraud scheme... why would he wish to join? I'd think that once he realized the Catholic Church was based upon a big fat lie based upon worship of a mere mortal, that he'd feel like the brainwashed cult members who fell under the spell of Rev. Jim Jones. Are you telling us that he would drink the Kool Aid too?

No King, I don't have an issue with the Church. Not the Catholics, or any other branch or offshoot of all of Christianity. I do have an issue with compulsive liars though. You and I both know there is not one true Christian sect that teaches or preaches that Jesus was not Resurrected, or that He was a mere mortal. But that won't stop you. If anything, you'll double down. No other member behaves as you do.

At what point do you stop, or can we stop? It is painfully obvious there is some underlying mental illness with these people. They see no fault with their thought process and become fooled by their own lies. You can call them out time and time again and nothing changes. They see their own faults in you and what you say to them, they have become so delusional they can not see themselves for what they have become. It is a strange cult of odd personalities where facts and logical thought become fiction and their fiction becomes truths to their own. I think the take home is that we are f**ked as a country!

I think it depends who calls them out. If it comes from right of center, all it's seen as is a win for progressives. If dems call them out, the only sound is crickets. Another win for progressives.

I don't think the factual result of a vote should be minimized, even if it comes from the nicest person.

Did I ever tell you guys that I know for fact I was bred from/by Aliens thousands and thousands of years ago ?

The oldest stone tablets ever found on this earth bear this out.

Say what...

Back to the judge, now justice. The allegations were mostly likely complete and total fabricated bullshit. What the Dem’s did to the man and his family was repulsive. Kavanagh is strong on the 2nd amendment. Yet, now that the dust has settled, I’m not all that happy. Seems doubtful Kavanagh is a Scalia.

The man appears squishy on the 4th amendment. He worked for Bush Jr. and helped write the Patriot act. I don’t like that. This is a guy who made the argument that the government can conduct unlimited domestic warrantless surveillance on all Americans at all times. I don’t recall any senators asking him about that. Too busy worrying about college keg parties, I guess.

Trump certainly could have picked worse but he probably could have picked better.

Just seems (to me) metadata collection is a FAR more important issue than Roe v. Wade. But it won't get half of the attention. I like that Gorsuch dude far better.

Never happy with half a glass full. Well I am. Just think, shudder to think what lovely nominations Hillary would have given us. A completely stacked liberal Supreme Court for the next two decades. And you could kiss number 2 good bye. For the children they would gut it. Then they would bend 4 into a pretzel to allow them to finish their PC control and thought control against their liberal vision. So what you might think as a weak nominee is a winner, winner chicken dinner to me.

There is no answer to your questions under the circumstances, Mr. Riddell. I believe your "take home" is accurate. One shouldn't despair. I attend other firearms and aviation boards populated by mostly Americans who are unfailing in respect and generosity. This board could be similar with an enforced rule of no politics. Many have asked for it.

Mighty easy to tell who the Americans are here and the scum sucking liberal Godless heathens...not mentioning any names.

I'm late to this party, and have too little time to read 22 pages of bickering about something that is of limited direct relevance to me, so forgive me if it's already been answered, but can someone explain to me whether the US has a "separation of powers" principle? It appears not, or am I reading the situation incorrectly? It's utterly foreign to me, from here, that judicial appointments could be openly partisan political, and that political parties fight over and rub their hands with glee at the opportunity to stack the bench of the highest court in the land with people who are obviously and openly sympathetic to one side or another. How does that work? Is that how it's meant to be, or has it morphed over time?

Yes.
JR

There is a separation of powers, but the democrats think they can erode it and the constitution through the courts. The more constitutionalist that are on the court the further they get from achieving their goal. It's not about winning as it is about preserving the constitutional republic and constitutional rights that many of us hold dear.

RARiddell is right. The Democrats have taken a new direction in their efforts to make us more into their desired shape. Since they have been unable to pass many laws to achieve their ends they have taken to using the courts to get judges to rule to do the same things. Worse some areas of the country have such Liberal judges that they will ignore both law and constitution when it suits them. Only the Supreme Court can reverse them which is why this last fight was so heated. Rubber stamp or sanity check was the choices.

Today, everything is political, divisive or insulting to somebody, even going to the bathroom. One group demands transgender people the right to use what ever bathroom the want. And if a little girl sees a transgender male, who identifies as female, zipping up their pants and the penis is seen. That's OK. You also have the same group who are insulted if, when in college, a drunk person sees a penis. On the other side are people who want people to use the bathroom for their sex not their opinion of what sex they are. Now we have one state which is going to allow parents to pick which gender their child will be identified as. Male, female and other. Its just nuts right now.

The Democrats have dumped their older base of working class Americans. They now want unlimited, borderless illegal aliens allowed to enter the country. They want that vote and the vote of anyone else whose vote thy can buy with various social programs. Anyone who they can convince are being taken advantage of is their new base. As a result, they are morphing from liberal to socialist to Marxist and Communist. Unfortunately for them their former base is NOT socialist/Marxist and is going Republican. President Trump took advantage of that and won normally Democrat states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and others. The Democrats over several election periods have been losing more and more governorships, state houses, etc. The only way they can pass their disgusting agenda is through the courts. The Supreme Court is the final court. The last two court appointments replaced a conservative with conservative, and a moderate with a conservative. Of the 4 liberals left, one is extremely old and infirm, the other is a diabetic. The Dems are panicked that they could be replaced with conservatives. As a result they will say ANYTHING, do ANYTHING to get rid of Trump and any conservative justice. Things will get even more frantic when they lose more Senate seats this time and fail to take the House. They were counting on it as the Party in power usually loses seats in a non-presidential election year. They continue to believe their own polls even remembering how wrong the polls were last time. We have already seen an attempted assassination on Republican members of congress at a baseball game. Other Democrats have been calling for verbal and physical attacks on Congressional conservatives. Hillary and Waters have dome this. The Dem Mob will get more and more demented. When the Republicans keep power this election, any semblance of sanity on the Left's Mob will be gone. They are already attacking people with "Make America Great Again" hats and burning vehicles with pro Trump signs. The last time it was this bad was 50 years ago and both Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King were killed.


What the Dems have accomplished has been to DISGUST both reasonable Democrats and all Republicans. They forgot that many women have sons who they do not want attacked with lies by fanatic leftist women in the future.


I look forward to relaxing in my easy chair on election night, eating popcorn and chocolate chips while watching CNN or MSNBC cry over the Republicans holding on to power. Even now, they are blaming the Supreme Court, the Republicans and the evil US Constitution.

cadet, your views on the evolution of our Supreme Court are unfortunately somewhat correct. But if you pay a bit closer attention, you will note one very important distinction. Only one side of our generally two Party Political system reliably and consistently calls for "Originalists" or "Textualists" who will interpret the law in accordance with the Constitution and the original Intent of the Framers. That would be the Republicans.

Originalists such as Scalia or Thomas are despised by Democrats... to the extent that they will pull out all stops to derail their confirmation, as they did with Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, and now Brett Kavanaugh. False accusations and personal destruction are considered fair play.

Democrats, and most especially Liberal Left Democrats, have been increasingly attempting to morph the Federal and Supreme Courts into their Progressive vision where the Constitution is viewed as a "Living Document" than can be twisted and reinterpreted in a manner inconsistent with obvious Original Intent of the Framers.

King Brown, who once again dishonestly pretends to abhor political discussions here, has argued many times that our U.S. Constitution is a so-called "Living Document"... subject to the whims of various Courts in different Jurisdictions. If he denies this fact, I would be happy to QUOTE him on the matter! What he won't tell you is that it has been his beloved Liberal Left Socialists who have strayed furthest from Original Intent and the Constitution as written. And infringements upon the gun rights of law abiding citizens by Liberal Left Democrats and their Judicial appointees are a prime example of this. I already have noted how Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein vehemently opposed Kavanaugh because of his strong pro-2nd Amendment views.

In this way, Liberal Democrats are able to accomplish things, such as Roe v. Wade, or gun control, that Congress was unwilling or Democrats were unable to do legislatively. Abortion should be a States Rights issue, at very least. And to be fair, politicization of the Court may extend to some Conservative over-reach too, such as surveillance of Americans under the Patriot Act. While this had not been really abused, and had been directed mainly toward foreign terrorists, the potential for abuse was demonstrated by Democrats who used phony documents to petition the FISA Court to spy on President Trump's campaign.

King, that statement is not only dishonest to the core, it is a Liberal Left gift that keeps on giving... offering proof positive of what RARidell said in his initial post:



That's you in a nutshell King... with emphasis on NUT. Once again, you decry political posts on this forum, yet I seriously doubt if anyone here has injected politics into more threads here than you.

How many times have you vowed to steer clear of politics, and then quickly took threads off-topic once again with your Liberal Left Socialist dogma or anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric?

One of King's many vows to steer clear of politics.

And if you could Troll, and interject and interfere and disrupt Gun Rights discussions or the "Preserve The 2nd Amendment Thread: Informational" that was once pinned to the top of the Subjects list, so much the better for you. Many of your posts in this thread were deleted by Dave because you kept violating his rules. You weren't happy until he unpinned it and locked it:

Preserve the 2nd Amendment thread - Informational

I remember when you railed on and on about how much you despised and hated the old Misfires forum. But then I did a count of your recent posts at that time, and found that 98 percent of your own posts that year were in Misfires. Informing you and the community here of your hypocrisy didn't faze you a bit. It never does.

I totally understand that you weren't able to answer or contest me in a civil and truthful manner concerning your repeated and false contentions about Catholic Baptism, Christianity, and the Resurrection. That is nothing new. So obviously, now is the time for you to change the subject once again, and to place the blame on those who called you out on your dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Dishonesty is not civility. I've told you many times, the simple formula to make me stop calling you a liar. Simply stop telling lies.

All my years in the old Lefever forum, and I never once made a post like this. I didn't have to... because we didn't have dishonest anti-2nd Amendment guys like you there.

Well said.

+1

SRH

Time to load up...put your "Make America Great Again" hat on and go walking the streets.

Pete, if Democrats were remotely as scary as you paint them, they'd be coming for our Social Security, Medicare, and health insurance, but oops, that's the other party.

But that's not politics or ideology, it's economics and simple math. None of those programs are sustainable for the long term under the current parameters. They need to be fixed.

Those programs are sustainable in countries with higher than US standards of taxation, living, health, literacy, and education, and for far longer than in North America. Why aren't they sustainable in the most influential and wealthy country in the world?

Regardless of how the number add up, there isn’t much truth to your feelings, are there Bill?

Have you been thinking about giving tester the heave ho for being quite a bit less than truthful?

Most third world nations guard their borders with the same fanaticism as Canada, eh? I would hope that some day, Canada could overcome her selfishness and become a bit more welcoming like your neighbor to the south. That’s my feeling and I’m sticking to it until I feel like it needs to evolve.

You're totally correct. A neocon is preferable to a progressive but a libertarian is best (only in my opinion). People of my persuasion got Gorsuch so the conservatives deserved to get a guy they liked this time.

I'm not referring to so-called third world countries, craig. I'm referring to most advanced countries that sustainably provide those services. The US could, too. It's paying more and getting less for its money. I'm curious why replacement says those services are not sustainable, need fixing. Middle men? He may believe the fix is what is practised elsewhere. Just curious.

Wait until they have to start paying for their imaginary army. How’s that coming by the way?
Sunny Boy sure didn’t waste any time sending his peeps down to L.A. and Miami to let the “immigrants” know that Canada wasn’t the warm and friendly place they saw in the brochure.


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How ‘bout them Leafs, eh?

Where would that be King. Please name even a single country.

How about a bloc---Scandinavia?

Poor Lars Eller sure is glad for that “free” health care after that beating he took from Nova Scotian Brad Marchand.


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How ‘bout them Leafs, eh?

Did you notice that I specified "under the current parameters"? If you change the parameters, you change the economics and that changes the math. US defense spending is certainly part of the equation, but other things like virtually unfettered immigration that brings in millions of the world's neediest people create a significant drain on economic resources. There is no single solution to any of these problems, but it seems that part of the solution mix is going to be increased taxes and reduced benefits, coupled with a realignment of priorities. It won't be pretty, but it will be necessary.

I wouldn’t worry too much that King thinks this is actually a problem. It’s probably seen as an opportunity. I think it would take some time, but the solution is only painful under the current mindset, eh King. What do you think King, maybe three fourths of the snowflakes would fall be the wayside in ten years if the education system flipped back to right of center?

Yes, I noticed that in your carefully measured post. As well reference military spending, and consequently my musing of how sustainable is that at more than $1,000,000 a soldier in Afghanistan alone. I believe your forecast is accurate.

We are talking about sustainable, right King?

Denmark will be running out of oil in the not too distant future. They are already concerned about it. National debt and deficit is rising. Luckily they have largely avoided the Swedish mistake of unfettered economic migrant immigration.

Sweden isn’t doing to bad when we look at their history. National debt is about 1/2 of Canada on a Per Capita basis. But their economy is tanking while spending and current deficits are rising rapidly. And, thanks to primarily Muslim economic migrants, they have rapidly developed a state dependent population of non working adults getting near 10%.

Finland, all I’ll say is maybe.

They are all living on borrowed time/ money.

Overall debt levels are rising while the tax base as a percentage is decreasing. Doesn’t look very sustainable to me. The leftist / socialist way......” Let’s spend our grandchildren’s money”. A despicable approach if you ask me.

As I said earlier, craig, K accelerates mitigation of current US dystopia. Education will take at least a generation. It will be painful for any mindset.

Over a decade ago, a buddy without health insurance needed a hernia repair. It was going to cost him $15K to have it done as an outpatient--and that was supposedly a cut rate deal procured by close friends in the medical profession. He researched it himself and located the Shouldice Hospital in Canada which specialized in the eponymous procedure. The total cost including air fare to and from Canada, the surgery, and hospital bill was $3k. He said the hospital was like a hotel and the food was outstanding. Gil

Yes, sustainability. And your last sentence first: Agree absolutely. I broke with provincial NDP until it comes to its senses on finance, and federally until the leader comes clean on racial ambiguity and appearances of anti-semitism.

Scandinavia---and everywhere else--is living on borrowed time/money. US bungling tipped the world on its ass in 2008, and the world with US leadership pulled through. Canada's regulatory regime allowed us to do best of the G7

Trade wars aren't sustainable for anyone, either. I have a notion they may be hurting US the most, and that's misery for Canada with economies joined like Siamese twins. I'm an optimist. We've been through worse than this.

I'd have two, I think, reasonable questions. First, did paying cash move him ahead of Canadians who're subject to a waiting list? And second, are the amenities costing medical services and supplies? There're Americans who risk life and limb to save a buck or two in Mexican health clinics, I think your buddy chose wisely for his situation.

Gil, the principal difference between here and there, as far as I'm concerned, is that I've never heard a citizen complain of their taxes being used for others needing medical assistance. It doesn't happen. I'm happy to pay it, hoping that I won't need it. Our health system, far from what Canadians would prefer because of rising costs of treatments, is considering advantages of the French private-public system. Overall, many Canadians think our health system is what distinguishes us from Americans. I wouldn't go that far!

What trade wars are you referring to?

I think he’s still smarting over how Lighthizer roughed up that Ukrainian chick he was bragging about.

No Leafs fans I guess. No hockey tonight either. Bummer.


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What do they serve at that hernia joint? Donuts and moose meat?

craig, a Kentucky friend with a summer home and salmon camp here told me she paid $5,000 for surgery at the local hospital that would have cost her $50,000 at home. Seriousness of the accident put her at top of the list, not cash.

So, Canadians are not only paying their hospital bills with taxes, they're subsidizing Americans who come there for surgery, too?

SRH

With Canada and China, for starters. The president saying he didn't like the Ukrainian chick raised her position significantly. We knew she was doing a good job, supported by our opposition parties, but getting under the president's skin was a dividend. Maybe enough to be future PM.

Doesn’t take much to be PM in Canada I guess. But Sunny Boy proved that.
Just keep selling your sludge oil to the Cinese, King. Ya’ll will be fine. Better get that pipeline built though.


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Gonna have to check out Windsor for some Lasik. Grab some donuts while I’m there.

Stan, Americans in trouble pay for services with cash, Canadians pay through their taxes. I've never had a bill. I live 12 miles from the hospital, last week had a scan and blood work, total time driving in and out, parking, services, was one hour and 45 minutes. It doesn't happen that way all of the time but jig-time and no bill. We know it's not free; it comes from our taxes.

Forgotten that Canada was in with China way before Nixon went to the mountain? Forgetting that China is the rising power, that leadership is coming from Europe and China, Iran seeming future regional balance of power, and the US still powerful and influential but in decline, giving the finger to its allies, choking with America's adversary Russia, its valued institutions in turmoil. Don't worry about Canada. We'll remain your ally, big trading partner, good neighbour and let you win a game now and then.

Well, I'm offended. Actually, I'm impressed. Swimming in sludge, yet you pay 20-25% more than joe average American for a gallon of gas due to taxes. Got your boot on the neck of the poor who subsidize the healthcare for rich white folks, eh. Sign me up.

Awe, you folks are a-okay.

You have to admit to at least snickering a little. The US, President Trump, set an unenforceable, arbitrary, dare I say misogynistic trade negotiating deadline, and Canada capitulated. Just an awful display of eroding respect for the US, eh?

Stan,
Nobody, but nobody, pays more for health care than Americans, and it often pretty poor health care at that.

Just one of a billion examples.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/healt...enthal&_r=0

I wasn't talking about American health care costs. I was addressing how Canadians evidently, and ridiculously, subsidize other countries' citizens to come there and get cut rate surgery.

I've never argued that American health care was the cheapest......or even less expensive. But, you quote the "Times" and I'll tell you about my personal experiences, okay? I wouldn't trade my health care professionals for those in any country. It's all about priorities. I choose to pay for group health insurance, through private medical coverage, and through Medicare. It ain't cheap, but how many things worth having are?

SRH

That's it, Dave doesn't get another penny until he regains control.

Craig, the Shouldice family are close friends. In fact just saw them all in mid September, celebrating a birthday. It’s a private, for profit hospital, grandfathered into the system because at the time it was the world’s leading hernia specialist. They are told by the government how much they can charge for Canadian patients and charge what they want for anyone else. Doubtful cash took him to the front of the line. They’re just damn good. And Gil’s friend isn’t the only one who has compared it to a hotel. They get many patients asking if they can come back.

Private, for profit enterprise in health care at its best

OH MY GOD! Could you misread events more?

We negotiated horribly, achieved none of Trudeau’s stated objectives going in and escaped with our economic life. It didn’t raise her position, it exposed how useless she and Turd-boy actually are. Total amateurs.

Stan, it would be ridiculous to subsidize other countries' citizens. They pay the going rate. The difference in costs of care between here and there is so great that Canadians often charter medavac jets to take them home for treatment. More than 50 years ago I had a misdiagnosed heart attack that put me in hospital for a month. My taxes paid for it. The hospital said that it would have cost at least $100,000 in the US---then.

The Shouldice Clinic is an exception in the Canadian health care system. It was founded by a surgeon in the 1940s and allowed to continue as a private hospital when Medicare was established in the 1960s. The clinic is very selective about who they admit (i.e. if you are more than 20% of your ideal weight you will be refused) Groin repair is typically a day surgery in Ontario, but at the Shouldice Clinic it can be a 3 to 5 day stay. Factors such as these make there success rate very high. Ontario residents only pay for the difference between semi-private and private rooms versus ward rate. There are separate rates for Non-Ontario Canadian residents and out of country patients. In theory, it is illegal for doctors who bill the public health-care system to charge patients. IMHO, Canada needs to adopt a progressive two-tier healthcare system to provide timely access to healthcare and to take the strain off the public system.

I commend you a quote, not quite Fryeian in substance or intelligence.



All I can say is if the Cinese ever offer their leadership in overhauling the port in Vancouver just ask the Malayasians or Pakistanis how it is working out for them.

Leadership from the Europeans? In the immortal words of John McEnroe, You can not be serious!


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Leafs? Anyone? (crickets)

No one gets what they want in trade negotiations, including the US. Canada knew going in it would lose supply management advantages in the dairy industry. The strongest complaints came from the dairy industry. Escaping "with our economic life" won't be all that bad when we'll be paying considerably less for dairy products.

King Brown, Turdo and his side kicks got their butts kicked. They were negotiating from a position of weakness and were to idiotic to realize it. Complete and total incompetence.

You are living in a dream world. We gained nothing. Cheaper dairy products for consumers does not make up for what the producers and government tax base gave up.

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Got (American) Milk?

Where will leadership come from? The president, giving the finger to all US allies, says he doesn't need anyone because he's going to make the country great again--- alone. Told to shove off, other countries are understandably striving to make other arrangements. And the president now is off to repair China trade talks. Globalization shutters US to going alone.

Neighbouring Maine has lots of milk. Wisconsin nearest Canada's greatest concentration of population, too.

I commend you a quote from a great Canadian with horrible taste in hockey clubs.

“OH MY GOD! Could you misread events more?” canvasback


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My guess is yes, yes you can.

James, if our national newspaper of record, the conservative Globe and Mail, is to be believed, for all that was at stake, for how the US hammered unsuccessfully at our no-budge positions, Canada came out of it essentially with another NAFTA with another name.

Uh oh, are you a little jealous? Alone? Nope, we're colluding with the russians, and therefore the Germans and iranians. You know what that means, healthcare cuban style after the midterms, cash only please if you're a noncitizen.

Our friend canvasback is a good guy. He'd be welcome company anywhere. He's honest and authentic, tells it like he sees it. No one can quarrel with that. He has the respect of his adversaries and love of his friends.

Our friend canvasback is indeed telling it like he sees it King:



And it would appear that by his rhetorical question, he is saying that you are deluded, at best.

Actually King, I think it's more your dishonesty than anything else. What further proof do we need than your actions here over the last 24 hours or so. Once again, you made your lying, dishonest, and disingenuous case for keeping this forum free from politics and non-double gun subjects. Then you immediately followed that bullshit with SEVENTEEN NON-DOUBLE GUN POLITICAL POSTS

How do you explain that lie King? Well if past history is any indicator, you will pretend you didn't see this. And your pathological mental state doesn't permit you to see or acknowledge your dishonesty even when your nose is shoved directly into it.

By the way, the cost differential for Health Care in the U.S. versus other nations is one of my biggest problems with the Liberal Democrat approach to National Health Care. With ObamaCare, they simply threw a LOT more money at the problem without any effort to question why costs have exceeded the annual general inflation rate by 2 1/2 to 3 times for decades, or to reduce those already inflated costs. The double digit cost increases afterward should be no surprise to anyone. King and rocky mtn bill won't even mention them.

The exact same thing has happened with education. We spend more on public schools per pupil than any nation on earth, and have diminishing returns and lower academic performance.

With teachers like rocky mtn bill, is that any surprise? But he and his fellow anti-gun Liberal Democrats think we should spend even more. And just look at the insane increases in tuition (and massive taxpayer funded subsidies) at colleges and universities... more bastions of Liberalism.

I do hope that rocky mtn bill appreciates that I moved his off-topic anti-Republican crap to his own thread in the Classic Rifle forum. I'm pretty sure that is where he meant to post it instead of polluting the double gun forum again.

As canvasback said earlier, the typical Liberal solution is to raise taxes and then piss even more money down the rathole, and pass the costs (plus interest) on to our kids and grandkids. Democrats, who make a huge deal about separating a few kids from illegal aliens and drug smugglers, seem to have no problem with screwing the future up for millions of our own kids, and making them slaves of the Socialist State in order to pay the bill.

And make no mistake... all debt is paid. Just ask the people from the Socialist Republic of Venezuela. Despite having more oil wealth and oil reserves than the entire U.S., they are projected to be the first country in history to have an annual inflation rate of over ONE MILLION PERCENT this year. The good news is that obesity is way down because people cannot afford food.

https://tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/inflation-cpi

Stan,
we subsidize other nations citizens at the cost of our own all the time. It is a big problem here at our Community Hospital with Illegal aliens showing up and having no insurance or means to pay. Anchor babies are popular here. The hospital ends up taking it as a loss and the rest of us end up paying more. Hardly unique to Canada.

Speaking of health care and Canadians. Our dairy farmers were not the only winners. Pharmaceutical companies did very well with our Administration pressuring both Canada and Mexico to increase the amount of time a drug remains under patent protection keeping generics off the market longer and increasing costs to consumers. Canada went from 8 to 10 years and Mexico went from 5 to 10 years. The Administration pushed hard for 12 years patent protection but settled at 10 years. Some winners for sure but not the consumer in this cases.

I'm not sure what your point is. Everyone knows Canada is a key player, but Mexico is known to be the world leader in pharmaceutical research and development. More US minimum wage knock off jobs lost to our neighbors, because we're so good at running sweat shops, eh? Want it both ways huh Steve, you're willing to export a high end custom gun, but look down your nose at stamped out cookie cutter imported auto pistols?

What prevents you from seeing that Kings 'free' healthcare just cost his taxpayers a bit more to the benefit of US workers and trade balance? Besides, isn't this administration clearing the path to get these products, that benefit the consumer, to the market quicker? All that means is your ten year countdown is literally starting years earlier, eh?

Stan, I think its just a case of KB tripping over his own BS.

And from being around my fair share of Canadians 4 or 5 months out of the year (who just happen to migrate to FL every year for some reason) - the Canadians - everyone of them poor mouth their health care system.

Ummm.... in a word, no. This administration is working hard to be sure pharmaceutical companies maintain record profits, not to bring more affordable options to consumers.

Craig this has nothing to do with the cost to Canadian consumers. This is about keeping affordable options off the US market. Protectionism at its worst.

Well maybe....we could talk about the disaster called ethanol. Now that was a hug give away for votes. I bet your fine with that though. Those are important votes with the mid terms just around the corner.

We call that vote buying through entitlements when the Democrats do it. I'm sure the name is much more palatable when Republicans do it.

I posted earlier but deleted it, but since we are already down that hole.....
I live in Downeast Maine the border is literally 20 minutes from the house, my wife works in the healthcare field and rest assured roughly 20% of the patients are Canadians, they come here to get basic screenings, not because its cheaper, because its faster and we have better qualified specialists. The que system for healthcare is crazy, basic screenings can take 7 to 9 months, plenty of time for cancers to metastasis before they are found. I wont trade our current system for theirs and I'll fight to keep ours, granted things need to change, but not that drastic!

Members couldn't miss that keith started this political thread and used it to make false accusations of members who don't agree with him. Members couldn't miss that there was a respectful and informative conversation until his trolling intruded again above.

This looks like the cheap consumer stuff. Real koolaid can't cost too much more, can it?

Funny you should mention Koolaid Craig. It seems like you can never get enough.

Naw, the only folks that respond here just want to share their agenda, eh?

Yup, I know, it's more common than one would think. Hey did you hear, the administration is going to start cloning misogynists, yup right here in the US. The consumer ones will come pouring in after your dems take over again, you know, to boost the economy like at your health mills.

There is more than meets the eye. Although there will be a greater cost to Canadian drug plans and by extension patients, the real story is that the quality of generics are being disputed by physicians as being less effective than their brand name. After all the regulators do not scrutinize quality criteria of generics in the same way as brand name.

In addition, generics are more expensive here than in the US where competition is more fierce. Generics in Canada are taking advantage of the softer patent holds than many other countries. Given the current circumstances, the newest developed (cancer) drugs are hesitant in filing with Health Canada because of the softer protection time to recoup their costs.

As a Canadian, I am quite happy with this change.

Not my Dems Craig...that is the part you continue to miss. I care about the policy not the party.

I buy the generic version when given a choice. I would rather have the option. I can always buy the name brand if I wish. Competition drives prices down. Better to have more choices to me. The pharmaceutical industry certainly has more going on than meets the eye. When I see Gilead selling Sofosbuvir for 84,000$ here in the US, and 900$ in Egypt I think we need more Generic options on the US market.

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/resource-c...the-years-ahead

It's not necessarily a QC issue with generics. Although the active ingredients in generics may be the same as those in the patented drugs, the inert ingredients are usually different (i.e., cheaper), and that can cause the drug's performance to vary from the original, for some patients but not for all. Try the generics and if they work, great. If there are issues, there are alternatives.