If you are dealing with a professional firearms dealer, ie: one who does this for a living. Never say to him that you have to ask the "Finance Department" ör the "Boss", we know that means we will never hear from you again.

John Boyd

I'll have to ask the boss about this John lol

And this is true for us part time dealers too

Then there is the even worse problem. That is dealing with droolers and tire kickers who make a commitment to buy something, but then back out of the deal.

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Of course, during the time they have a firearm on hold or on Layaway, it becomes unavailable to potential customers who are really serious, and not just pathetic little trolls who are attempting to create the illusion that they are knowledgeable or actually own and shoot guns.

I have a sign posted on the gun rack at my pawnshop:

"Your wife called. She says buy anything you want."

Maybe it's a coincidence, but I get a lot fewer "I have to ask my wife" excuses since posting that sign.

From the buyer's side, things you should say to a gun or car dealer: "I've got "X" amount to spend and I'm not leaving without a gun. Do you have anything?"

I once committed to buy a gun at a poorly lit gun show
Drove to the ATM, got $800, did the NICS transfer and handed over the money.

The price tage was $1800 and I read it as $ 800 with two vertical lines in the S

Very embarassing

[quote=Bushmaster]I once committed to buy a gun at a poorly lit gun show
Drove to the ATM, got $800, did the NICS transfer and handed over the money.

The price tage was $1800 and I read it as $ 800 with two vertical lines in the S

Very embarrassing

Thing is....the gun was probably worth around 1000....you thought you found a good deal at 800.....at 1800 the dealer was trolling for a fool.... this is the way it usually works....

I recently stopped into a cool old country store not far from my town. They have a gun counter but I've never imagined they sell many guns as their prices are quite high. The best thing about the store are the wildlife mounts and the hundreds of cool old guns that decorated the walls. The store has been in business for nearly 100 years and the owners traded groceries, gas and supplies for guns. Also the owner was a big game hunter who traveled the world. Lots of history in that place.

Anyway, while I was there I spied an interesting looking side-by-side sitting inside a showcase on top of its original box. I looked closer and saw that it was a 28 gauge. As I recall, it was a Weatherby brand. I looked at the tag and saw $900. That seemed reasonable for a 28 gauge double so I asked the young clerk about it. He clearly was oblivious to the gun and knew nothing about it. He called an older employee over and the guy seemed surprised that somebody asked about it. The gun never came out of the showcase as the clerk begins to explain that the gun was a salesman's sample of a shotgun that was never actually released to market. It was then that I looked at the tag again and see that it said $9,000, not $900. I blurted out an "Oh, bleep" and I laughed at my mistake. Nevermind.

Personally, I would never tell a dealer "I have to ask the "Boss (Wife)" as that is really none of his business. For most of my 57+ years of married life (To the Same Woman) I have been the sole bread winner. I never considered my pay check "Mine" but "Ours". I fully realize I am in a totally different financial bracket than the majority here, but neither of us ever made a high priced purchase without talking it over between us to determine whether we were able to cover it. If a dealer could not deal with that when I was likely extending myself a bit to start with I would simply walk out of his door & Never Return. Appears I have no need to even enter John's door as I know how he feels about me consulting with my "Financial Adviser", who incidentally has always tried to help me in any way she could to be able to make a purchase that we really couldn't justify, but which she knew I wanted very badly. I have in return done the same for her.

Well said 2-piper, I think you and I were/are in the same income bracket.

TM

2-piper,
Well said, as that's exactly how things work in my 44 year marriage.
Karl

Piper

I certainly understand about speaking to your wife on a major purchase. But why not go ahead and tell you wife ahead of time that you want to buy a gun and its in this price range and how do you feel about what I want to do.

Or say to the dealer let me think about it.

John

No gun show vendor or internet gun dealer knows that I have a wife, or what my financial status is. All they have to know is that my checks are good. You guys share way too much information with strangers.

It's really not my place, but looking back, I don't think there was any worry that there would be discussion about internal family business, so there may not be a need to suggest alternatives. On a lighter note, isn't the comment 'let me think about it' the equivalent of 'I gotta ask the boss'?

Of course, the REAL thing to never say to a firearms dealer is...

'Money is no object'.

Aint that the truth!! Most guys I know try to hide their gun purchases from their wives, e.g., sending invoices, etc to the office. Checking in with the wife for the green light is likely only an excuse to bugger out....and Mr. Boyd already knows that.

My MO was to hide a new gun under the bed for a year.

Then when I pulled it out and she asked when I got that, I could honestly say...

"I've had that for a long time".

Two tings, first I might not always know ahead of time that I was going to find a gun I wanted until I was in the shop or gun show. "When" I had prior knowledge then of course any talk as to our finances did take place ahead of time.
2nd you have to read something into my post that I "Did Not" say to state I was sharing info with a dealer that was none of his business.
All of us simply do not have unlimited bank accounts. I once had to pass on an AA grade crossbolt "New Lefever" which I considered a bargain at the time simply because it was out of my price range & I made that decision all by myself, no consulting needed. I never bought a gun on credit but there are a couple I wish I had. One was this Lefever & the other a Purdey which I felt at the time was extremely low priced for what it was.

'My accountant says I have way too much capital and need to get rid of some of it or else the tax man with get it!'

Incidentally; I wish I did have the above problem. Lagopus.....

I have said that before and still have wound up buying something, so it is not true in all instances. Actually, my boss likes guns too, so she can be an easy sell.

With the holidays approaching, I'd like to share something that always worked well for me.

Find a gun you really like, make your best deal, and just buy the damn thing.

Take it home and show it to your wife. Tell her, "This gun is what I want from you for Christmas (or Birthday, Valentines Day, Anniversary, etc.). It is exactly what I want. If you wish, you can put a bow on it and put it under the Christmas Tree, and I'll act very surprised on Christmas morning. I'm sure I'll be happy with it because I'm happy now. You won't have to do any shopping or stressing about what to get me, and I won't have to worry about returning something I don't really need or want."

I can't recall ever feeling bad or having regrets about buying myself a new gun, but I have some rather unpleasant memories about several that I passed up.

Oh, please John, not again!? Do you really think posting these complaints, thinly disguised as advice, will intimidate inquirers into buyers? You're not helping yourself doing this.
JR

We do things a bit differently in our house. We simply skip the whole Christmas/birthday/anniversary pretense. If one of us wants something and we can afford it, that person buys the thing they want. This works because we're both responsible adults.

We don't celebrate our anniversary or birthdays beyond using them as an excuse to go out to a nice dinner. We are just as likely to go out to dinner because it's Tuesday, or because it rained today or because we feel like it. We like going out to dinner so we don't need much of an excuse.

We don't observe Christmas at all. Not only do we skip the gifts, we don't decorate, wear funny sweaters or eat unnecessary iced cookies.

I can't remember the last time either of us wrapped a present and presented it to the other person.

Our way wouldn't work for everybody but it works for us.

My sweet wife doesn't object to anything I buy. We do celebrate birthdays and anniversaries -- but she tells me in advance what to buy, or points me to a specific internet page. For her last birthday, I paid for her pottery class.

As far as guns go, I don't think she can tell the difference between a semi-auto or pump, or between a shotgun and rifle; nor does she care. There is a loaded Colt .38 Official Police revolver in the bedside nightstand; she knows that all she has to do is pick it up, point it, and pull the trigger. The last time she went to the shooting range with me was a dozen years ago.

She does pamper my bird dog. Its interesting to note that the dog has two different behavior patterns -- one at home with MOM, and another in the field with me.

Neither of us objects to the other's "spare time" activities. I consider myself to be a lucky guy!

gold40

Also just want to mention, any time I see POR where the price is supposed to be, that is a red flag, and I move on to a different site.

TM

The biggest red flag of all, for me, is the attitude of the seller. Fact of the matter is, he doesn't have anything I can't live without, and I will not do business with someone who makes customers feel like he is doing them a favor.

Attitude is everything.

SRH

And it sounds like you have one

Saying stuff like that to firearms dealer or seller of anything is just stupid. The key is that in todays world available in palm held device the buyer should know what they're looking at and its approximate fair value. If the price asked is significantly higher than what market indicates there is no point in talking, but if the price is reasonable a deal followed by a handshake could be made. There were times that I made fair offers and there were times I paid asked price asking beforehand if the price was cash price or credit card price.

Something never to say....do you rent your guns ?

What it means is one finds a good buy on the gun use it take good care of it and sell it for same or more than they purchased it for. I hope you're intelligent to grasp that concept unlike one member of this forum who apparently is too dumb or ignorant to get it.

I don't ask my wife about what I buy, but you are right about what it means. Some folks are too non-confrontational to to just say 'Where'd you dream up that ridiculous price, I'm out of here!'...Geo

I have to take a certain amount of offense at the distain in the original post. Other than pocket-change type discretionary items, neither my wife or I put money on the table without first conferring with the other.

Jagermeister, now you sound just like your anti-2nd Amendment friend King Brown when you make up dishonest shit to cover up your behavior.

You told us that you actually rent guns. You showed us a photo of a handgun that you were renting, and told us what the weekly or monthly rental cost was. Here is a quote from you concerning the rental of your cheap Chinese .22 bolt action rifle:


Jagermeister renting >22 LR- 9/7/15 post #417947--


If you buy a gun and sell it for the same price, or even make a few bucks on it, that is not the same as rent. It is making a profit, or breaking even on a purchase.

And if you buy a gun and sell it at a loss, that is not renting either. It is simply selling for a loss.

It is plain to see who the ignorant person here is, and the dishonest one as well.

It's amusing to see you flailing and grasping for silly and dishonest explanations, much like your friend King Brown did after he accused me of lying about his illegal Canadian/U.S. border crossing with a handgun in his airplane, until I produced a direct quote from him admitting he had done it several times... or like your friend Last Dollar, who also accused me of lying about a Thread he started, until I provided him with the exact date, time, and Thread number.

Last Dollar just slinked away without an apology. King Brown slinked away for a few days and returned with another silly lie to attempt to explain away the first one. There's Class and Civility with a Capital C.

You three are proof that Liberals just can't be trusted, and your support for anti-gun politicians is certainly much worse than the business practices of some grouchy firearms dealers who don't appreciate tire-kickers. After seeing some of your tire-kicking and drooling before backing out of deals on guns, who can blame some for getting grouchy?

That is what has been so amusing to me about the current running Threads on firearms dealers and buyers. The critics have lost sight of who the real threats are here, and their priorities are seriously screwed up.

I had two 870s with solid Remington marked recoil pads that had consistency of bumpers. One was uncommon Wingmaster Supermag SN: D7636..A with 28" Light Contour RemChoke barrel second was basically parkerized Wingmaster with 20" barrel CYL Scattergun Technlogies components SN: W9468..M. There was no intent on my part to deceive anybody.

No intent to deceive??? Would you like me to once again go back over the guns you claimed to own that were actually merely on Layaway, and you backed out of the deals?

You told us about the effectiveness recoil pad of the Model 870 Police Magnum that you had on Layaway, and never actually took possession of. Now you are talking about a couple other 870's with very hard recoil pads. How does that explain your lie about the pad on the 870 Police Magnum that you never actually owned?

I see you apparently don't want to talk about the definition of renting anymore Jagermeister. Renting typically involves something like a tenant-landlord or owner-renter relationship... not the sale of purchased items at a loss. I guess you didn't like the little reminder about telling us what you were paying to rent that semi-auto handgun awhile back.











And one of my all time favorites...



That after repeatedly reading this statement from his friend Ed:

I'am Jagi and I'm not one of those people, but I do understand how people believe in some form of supervision on who gets a gun and what they can get. I have no problem with their point of view. Jagi, gave up on this concept long long time ago stating more then once the solution is for every able adult to be trained and have a firearm when living in county with vast numbers of guns and gun owners. I have nothing else to add to this.