Barack Obama said in an interview with CNN yesterday that he was very disappointed that during his two terms in office he utterly failed to gut the natural human right to armed self defense. - Bob Owens
... Thanks in large part to this failed fear-mongering conspiracy, the number of licensed concealed carriers in the United States has surged to 15 million. That’s a surge of 9 million new concealed carriers since 2010.
Thanks, Obama!
In addition to invigorating the handgun market, Obama’s threats against what he considers “assault weapons” have driven the public to make the AR-15 family of firearms the best-selling rifle in the United States, year after year. Civilians are estimated to own more than ten million of these easy-to-use “modern muskets” thanks to the President’s attempt to demonize them. Purchasers have come to discover that the rifle is actually more of an open-source platform than just a fixed gun, and many people have found a great deal of joy building these rifles from scratch or customizing them to fit their needs as trainers, self-defense carbines, precision competition rifles, sporting rifles, hunting rifles, and all-purpose plinkers in calibers ranging from the tiny .22LR up through the thumping .50 Beowulf.
Barack Obama didn’t just spectacularly fail in his bid to gut the Second Amendment, he actually served as a catalyst that led to the fastest, widest, and deepest spread of gun culture ever documented in American history.
Raise a glass in celebration, Mr. President. You completely FAILED!
I'm an FFL (pawnbroker). I will miss Barack Obama. He was very good for business.
You know how the saying goes, blade switcher ..... "The sun doesn't shine on the same dog's a-- all the time".
I know what you mean, tho'. My local gunstore owner is a friend of mine, and I know of his increased business during the last 7 years. OTOH, he is just as happy as me that Hillary was defeated.
Hopefully everything will get back to "normal" now. Maybe we will actually see plenty of cheap 22 rimfire on the shelves again so we can get kids into the shooting sports.
I'm an FFL (pawnbroker). I will miss Barack Obama. He was very good for business.
You know how the saying goes, blade switcher ..... "The sun doesn't shine on the same dog's a-- all the time".
I know what you mean, tho'. My local gunstore owner is a friend of mine, and I know of his increased business during the last 7 years. OTOH, he is just as happy as me that Hillary was defeated.
SRH
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I glad Hillary lost. But gun sales will suffer as a result.
You got to give Obama credit. He knew how to sell guns.
It just goes to show you the depth of his depraved ideology that he considers his major failure to be that he was unable to deprive his fellow citizens of their Constitutional Rights.
I couldn't believe he said in an interview that the rise of isis wasn't on his radar. The mental midget that was doing the 'interview' just nodded like he was in deep thought.
When he said there was a difference between northern whites and southern whites, well that was more like it. Yup, time man-o-the-year can't help but be the President of a divided nation.
As a real man with a work ethic gets it in gear, Obama will look more and more like the self-made under-achiever he is. I hope we have learned never to accommodate incompetence for racial acceptance again.
I suspect most thinking people understand exactly what you meant by racial acceptance....other than KB. Same old story here.....James M puts up an informational post that's worth reading and along comes Kingsley to obfuscate the topic with a discussion of race. Were it me, I'd let him twist in the wind without a response and without the podium it would provide him.
That would be the "Mythology of Racial Acceptance", in actual terms. Or, being duped into the false narrative of Racism, and voting on an emotional basis of indoctrinated false guilt rather than true issues.
Barack Obama said in an interview with CNN yesterday that he was very disappointed that during his two terms in office he utterly failed to gut the natural human right to armed self defense. - Bob Owens
... Thanks in large part to this failed fear-mongering conspiracy, the number of licensed concealed carriers in the United States has surged to 15 million. That’s a surge of 9 million new concealed carriers since 2010.
Thanks, Obama!
In addition to invigorating the handgun market, Obama’s threats against what he considers “assault weapons” have driven the public to make the AR-15 family of firearms the best-selling rifle in the United States, year after year. Civilians are estimated to own more than ten million of these easy-to-use “modern muskets” thanks to the President’s attempt to demonize them. Purchasers have come to discover that the rifle is actually more of an open-source platform than just a fixed gun, and many people have found a great deal of joy building these rifles from scratch or customizing them to fit their needs as trainers, self-defense carbines, precision competition rifles, sporting rifles, hunting rifles, and all-purpose plinkers in calibers ranging from the tiny .22LR up through the thumping .50 Beowulf.
Barack Obama didn’t just spectacularly fail in his bid to gut the Second Amendment, he actually served as a catalyst that led to the fastest, widest, and deepest spread of gun culture ever documented in American history.
Raise a glass in celebration, Mr. President. You completely FAILED!
Sadly like his predecessors he has chosen bankers and Wall Street tycoons over working Americans. The American dream is dead. Now 50% of young people can expect to make less than their parents. This is especially if they live in Red States of MidWest. We have more pressing problems than this, buddy.
Barack Obama said in an interview with CNN yesterday that he was very disappointed that during his two terms in office he utterly failed to gut the natural human right to armed self defense. - Bob Owens
... Thanks in large part to this failed fear-mongering conspiracy, the number of licensed concealed carriers in the United States has surged to 15 million. That’s a surge of 9 million new concealed carriers since 2010.
Thanks, Obama!
In addition to invigorating the handgun market, Obama’s threats against what he considers “assault weapons” have driven the public to make the AR-15 family of firearms the best-selling rifle in the United States, year after year. Civilians are estimated to own more than ten million of these easy-to-use “modern muskets” thanks to the President’s attempt to demonize them. Purchasers have come to discover that the rifle is actually more of an open-source platform than just a fixed gun, and many people have found a great deal of joy building these rifles from scratch or customizing them to fit their needs as trainers, self-defense carbines, precision competition rifles, sporting rifles, hunting rifles, and all-purpose plinkers in calibers ranging from the tiny .22LR up through the thumping .50 Beowulf.
Barack Obama didn’t just spectacularly fail in his bid to gut the Second Amendment, he actually served as a catalyst that led to the fastest, widest, and deepest spread of gun culture ever documented in American history.
Raise a glass in celebration, Mr. President. You completely FAILED!
Sadly like his predecessors he has chosen bankers and Wall Street tycoons over working Americans. The American dream is dead. Now 50% of young people can expect to make less than their parents. This is especially if they live in Red States of MidWest. We have more pressing problems than this, buddy.
Yep, the stock market going nutso, consumer confidence index going through the roof, and he isn't even in office yet. Its going to be a great eight years, no doubt about it.
....The American dream is dead. Now 50% of young people can expect to make less than their parents. This is especially if they live in Red States of MidWest. We have more pressing problems than this, buddy.
Well buddy, these young'uns were ten and twelve years old when the current fellow took office. Now they're the eighteen to twentyish cry babies and participation trophy winners.
They were too young at the time to get that tingle up their legs. Their parents and the current prez taught them about the new dream that you seem to be intolerant of. Look at the numbers, they make way more in welfare than even their hope-n-change folks ever could've dreamed of. Do you think they can be trained to work for a living?
....The American dream is dead. Now 50% of young people can expect to make less than their parents. This is especially if they live in Red States of MidWest. We have more pressing problems than this, buddy.
Well buddy, these young'uns were ten and twelve years old when the current fellow took office. Now they're the eighteen to twentyish cry babies and participation trophy winners.
They were too young at the time to get that tingle up their legs. Their parents and the current prez taught them about the new dream that you seem to be intolerant of. Look at the numbers, they make way more in welfare than even their hope-n-change folks ever could've dreamed of. Do you think they can be trained to work for a living?
Voted for a billionaire figuring I had nothing to loose. I'm done with voting for upstarts.
I think he meant that while some reluctantly accepted a half black man as our president....others like eYe knew that a half black man couldn't successfully run a condom factory let alone a country.
My original post here was to point out that even the Liar in Chief couldn't excuse himself from this crushing loss due to his overt attempts along with his proposed replacement to circumvent the 2nd Amendment of the U S Constitution. Responsible Americans noted these attempts and his other acts to destroy Constitutional law in our Country and, while remaining silent for the most part during the debates, showed up in record numbers November 8th. From what I can see; Trump has already accomplished more as President elect then Obama did in 8 miserable years. His cabinet picks will be game changing as they are NOT made up of political hacks like his predecessors but accomplished military and business personnel. Jim
I think he meant that while some reluctantly accepted a half black man as our president....others like eYe knew that a half black man couldn't successfully run a condom factory let alone a country.
Hail to our golfer n chief...
I think a more accurate statement is that a coddled, indoctrinated, bigoted, socialist, and never gainfully employed man could never run our country.
And here is what we as responsible Americans would have been facing if the election had gone to Clinton. Keep one thing in mind here as there is NO doubt that she despises gun owners and the 2nd Amendment like any rabid Libtard. In My Opinion: We were ONE Supreme Court appointee away from losing our 2nd Amendment rights entirely: Jim
She said the NRA is “pernicious” and has a “corrupting influence,” and talked of being proud of watching her husband go after the NRA via the 1994 “assault weapons” ban. She made clear that she will be going after SCOTUS in the same way. Clinton said, “We’ve got to got after this. And here again, the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And I am going to make that case every chance I get.”
Although the audio recording offers no clarity as to where exactly Clinton believes SCOTUS got it “wrong” on the Second Amendment, Clinton spokesman Josh Schwerin has since made it abundantly clear that Hillary’s disagreement is with the District of Columbia v Heller (2008) decision. Heller was a reaffirmation that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to protect a fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.
Clinton’s disagreement with the Heller decision runs so deep that she twice refused to admit the right to bear arms is constitutional during the June 5 airing of This Week with George Stephanopoulos. When Stephanopoulos first asked her if the right to bear arms is constitutional, she would only obfuscate, saying:
I think that for most of our history there was a nuanced reading of the Second Amendment, until the decision by the late Justice [Antonin] Scalia.
Jee whiz, my eyes are bigger than Little Orphan Annie's from what I'm reading of a failed presidency. Obama's 54 % approval ratings Nov 28-Dec 4 are behind Bill Clinton's and Ike's but ahead of all the rest back to 1952, including Reagan.
Trump's 41% approval rating is lower than Obama's 72% in December 2008, and 55% of Americans say they disapprove of the job Trump has done. Trump came up 2.5 million short in the popular vote. More than half US voted for stewardship of the last eight years.
King, you must recognize that at the moment Trump is not President so an "approval" rating is utterly pointless. So far, partisans on both sides have been continuing the campaign, that's all.
Now, 100 days into his presidency and we may have some material to offer either approval or disapproval about.
Until then, discussing "approval" ratings is just silly.
Have you ever wondered why Whites are racists, and no other race is...
Michael Richards, better known as Kramer from TV's 'Seinfeld' does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.
In it he raised a few interesting points... Someone finally said it. But how many are actually paying attention to this? ============================= ============================== =
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans...
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy', 'Cracker', 'Honkey', 'Whitey', 'Caveman'... And that's OK...
But when I call you [censored], Kike, Towel head, Sand-[censored], Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live in?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP. You have BET...
Imagine if we had WET (White Entertainment Television)... we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for whites only to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that???
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but a woman of any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US .. Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.
In the Million Men March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud... But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists???
There is nothing improper about this e-mail... But let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on. I sadly don't think many will.
That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country.
James, more Americans voted for Democratic stewardship than for Trump, by a margin I believe seven earlier presidents won office. He wouldn't have a mandate to rule in Canada without a coalition. Clearly more than half of America favoured the Democratic candidate. It's indisputable. My point is their preference does not indicate a failed presidency; quite the opposite.
Trump won the election, under the rules of the game, which have been in place for well over 200 years. Popular vote is interesting but not germane to my point.
Which is that any "approval" rating on Trump is, at the moment, not worth the paper it's written on. Because he is not President and has no track record as President that people can approve of.
This is plain as the nose on your face, even if you chose to ignore it or change the point of discussion.
Joe, what's wrong with being white, black, Muslim and Christian? Thousands of the 36,000 Syrian refugees who've been welcomed to Canada over the past year fit that category. Thousands of American citizens similarly. Your Constitution and Bill Rights doesn't condemn them. America always prided itself as being a "melting pot" of immigrants as the strongest sinews of your country. Our little community built houses, even a little building for a chocolatier to make chocolates, for seven Syrian families. They're not mongrels. We want them, we can't do without them to build our country---as yours did for you.
I know it's unbecoming tit-for-tat among friends, James. So I remove reference approval rating. We agree Trump won. The thread refers to a failed presidency. The popular votes by any measure---twice for Obama and once for the Democratic candidate---will record historically Americans preferred the last eight years of Democratic governance to the Republican option.
Seems to me that the OP was about President Obama lamenting his failure to re-state or undo the US 2nd Amendment. His own estimation under that limited criteria was a failed Presidency. With no reference to his race or religion thank Goodness he failed in regard to gun control!...Geo
I know it's unbecoming tit-for-tat among friends, James. So I remove reference approval rating. We agree Trump won. The thread refers to a failed presidency. The popular votes by any measure---twice for Obama and once for the Democratic candidate---will record historically Americans preferred the last eight years of Democratic governance to the Republican option.
No King, the Trump election means that they realized they were wrong when they voted Democratic the previous two times.
....The thread refers to a failed presidency. The popular votes by any measure---twice for Obama and once for the Democratic candidate---will record historically Americans preferred the last eight years of Democratic governance to the Republican option.
Not only has the majority voted dem the last three go rounds, bo is polling the most popular man of all time.
Do you have any idea why he was able to lose both houses of congress, and a bunch of state govenorships? Maybe, we should be discussing the validity of popularity polls?
If Obama walked out of the White House threw down the American flag and proceeded to piss on it his approval rating among certain minority "citizens" in this Country would essentially remain the same - POSITIVE! That wouldn't change no matter what and is a problem caused by "democrats" and their so-called entitlement programs future generation will have to contend with. At my age this isn't an issue I'll have to deal with but I'll make my views known for as long as I can. The Kenyan has publicly admitted he failed in getting our firearms confiscated and that provides satisfaction to most on this forum and we'll see just how much Trump can make you squeal in the next few years. Jim
King you have no idea what you are talking about,look at the house seats lost the senate seats lost, the republican governors,state houses, only four states are controlled by democrats, the democrats lost everything except pres obamma,and he is totally responsible for pres.elect trump count the total number of county's won by trump divide the alleged popular vote into those counties,you really need to think about what you post. mc
Seems to me that the OP was about President Obama lamenting his failure to re-state or undo the US 2nd Amendment. His own estimation under that limited criteria was a failed Presidency. With no reference to his race or religion thank Goodness he failed in regard to gun control!...Geo
The anti-2nd Amendment Socialist King Brown only sees what he wishes to see. And when he doesn't see what he wants to see, he attempts to change the subject. As Geo said, the subject was Obama's failed legacy concerning his many attempts to infringe upon our Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms. But King wants us to ignore that, and he posted this shortly after Obama's biggest swing at us in 2013:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.
That part where King said "He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16." was a complete fabrication, and King knew it. Hell, let's call a spade a spade... it was a BIG FAT LIE from the most dishonest person on this forum.
But since King wishes to attempt to change the subject of the original post, it should be noted that he wishes to cling to phony and fawning approval numbers while ignoring the facts that have been spoon fed to him for the last 8 years. There are more people on Welfare and Food Stamps than at any other time in our history. The labor participation rate is the lowest it has been in 40 years. Despite assurances to the contrary, medical costs have skyrocketed under ObamaCare, and nearly 29 million citizens still lack health insurance coverage. The rise of ISIS and homegrown radical Islamic Terrorism was accurately predicted by analysts and Generals that Obama refused to listen to. Obama has nearly doubled our National Debt to over $19 1/2 TRILLION, a burden that will be an anchor chain on us for decades to come. The failed diplomacy of Obama/Clinton in the Middle East is precisely why the dishonest mental midget Libtard King Brown has all of those Syrian refugees seeking a better life in Canada. The list of failures goes on and on, but Liberalism is a mental disorder that causes one to ignore the obvious.
Yeah... Obama is a pretty popular guy King. That's why the Republicans now control the White House, the House, and the Senate, and have gained massive numbers of State Governor and Legislators seats. So you just go and cling to those phony approval numbers from the same pollsters who said Trump would be buried in a landslide of historic proportions.
I predict King will undoubtedly judge us all to be a bunch of racists as he has done so many times in the past (and Drew Hause will not launch any personal attacks on King for name calling), but King will refuse to acknowledge that we are very happy to have a black guy named Clarence Thomas on the U.S. Supreme Court or Ben Carson running HUD. I'd like to close with these words of wisdom from the anti-2nd Amendment Socialist King Brown when he said this to excuse Obama's attempts to violate his Oath of Office by attempting to gut the 2nd Amendment:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
With respect, you tend to believe the written as something sacrosanct as it appears in the Constitution and other bills. Look at the Oath you posted: It says only that the president will do to "the best of my ability" to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. What he determines "best"---wrongly or rightly.
But remember, this Obama suck-ass still claims that he can support and defend Obama and yet call himself pro-gun. What an utter fraud.
What you say of Republican gains is true, mc. You haven't contradicted what I said of the country's Democratic preference in the popular vote the last three times. This thread refers to the presidency.
geo, isn't that what I said about gun control: America is too much in love with its guns to change it, that any changes would be cosmetic and, as the little fella kindly reminded us above, Obama would keep his legislative gun in his holster. The board collectively predicted blue ruin.
That part where King said "He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16." was a complete fabrication, and King knew it. Hell, let's call a spade a spade... it was a BIG FAT LIE from the most dishonest person on this forum.
The rise of ISIS and homegrown radical Islamic Terrorism was accurately predicted by analysts and Generals that Obama refused to listen to. Obama has nearly doubled our National Debt to over $19 1/2 TRILLION, a burden that will be an anchor chain on us for decades to come. The failed diplomacy of Obama/Clinton in the Middle East is precisely why the dishonest mental midget Libtard King Brown has all of those Syrian refugees seeking a better life in Canada.
Just remember his predecessor was much, much worse. He tanked the economy and took us to war we did not need to have. Let us be fair in distribution of blame and give credit where credit is due.
PS. I'm so glad the guy I voted for he won. Not only did he eliminate the Clintons, but he also got rid of Dick Chaney and his daughter from the lime light. Thank you God, Allelujah.
The wisdom and strength of the American electoral system has become obvious in this election.
Simple Democracy is nothing but Mob Rule. That's why the totalitarians have been brainwashing the concept via the educational system for decades. Our Constitutional Republic has overcome the mutigenerational statist policies of extortion and vote-buying.
Mob Rule majority vote by self entitled Victim Cults is irrelevant, as are public opinion polls, manipulated to play on politically correct guilt complexes rather than issues. Obviously, the issues won out, despite all the attempts at psychoploitical religious demonization.
I look forward to responding to all the false narratives to be put forth by our resident statists, as they enable me to channel my inner Buck Turgidson.
king you enjoy comparing apples to oranges,in Canada obamma would be a failed leader,he (obamma)wouldn't have a coalition.he won the popularity contest but governed poorly,he failed to lead.
geo, isn't that what I said about gun control: America is too much in love with its guns to change it, that any changes would be cosmetic and, as the little fella kindly reminded us above, Obama would keep his legislative gun in his holster. The board collectively predicted blue ruin.
Hi King, hope you are well. Best of the season to you.
I might suggest that Obama kept his "legislative gun in his holster" only because he knew that as it was constituted, the SC (never mind Congress) would likely not back the kinds of changes he wanted to make. And that was one of the factors that drove him to campaign on behalf of his very unsavory colleague Hillary....a chance to stack the SC with those types of jurists who like to make law from the bench and ignore/diminish the US Constitution.
Well and happy, thanks. Warm regards to you and yours.
Your "likely not" SC scenario reminds it stopping 2000 Florida recount that gave Bush victory, first in 112 years in which the winner failed to win the popular vote. Trump second.
Pity their SC is so politicized. I was shaken by an interview with William O. Douglas, in middle of his unprecedented years on the Court. So doctrinaire. I admired him but the system seemed whacky.
Well: I see the "Talking Lenin Doll" is still at it here. I suspect his idol Trudeau will be coming up for a good old fashioned Arse Whipping come the next election! Jim
Well and happy.... ....Your "likely not" SC scenario reminds it stopping 2000 Florida recount that gave Bush victory, first in 112 years in which the winner failed to win the popular vote. Trump second.
Pity their SC is so politicized. I was shaken by an interview....
Why weren't you shaken by the current fellow's statement that he would nominate progressive legislators to the highest court, then kept his promise? Was it because the progress of pc is more important than the Constitution, law, and the content of character?
The Florida recount was never halted for a second, your media colleagues stuck it out in obscurity to the painfully truthful end in the hopes of a gotch'ya. The polling on that was disappointing, so it was never released.
Perhaps, history is repeating itself in Wisconsin? The multimillion dollar recount that could elevate scores out of poverty has netted hill twenty-five votes as of day ten. Maybe there's a corelation between the enthusiasm to 'report' this recount and Florida's?
The people have spoken. Apparently, you're so impressed with the content of Trump's policy and the quality of his transition, that trivial divisiveness dominates the 'conversation'?
California and New York City where all these 3 million votes come from do not elect the President nor do they control the rest of this country, although they would like too. Or think they do.
Read something about how this country was founded and the terrific fight that went on over the ratification of the Constitution and the adoption of a centralized government, what many people considered that 'vile' document.
Pity their SC is so politicized. I was shaken by an interview with William O. Douglas, in middle of his unprecedented years on the Court. So doctrinaire. I admired him but the system seemed whacky.
Yes it is. Just as it's a pity ours is so politicized as well.
It seems that the left likes to push their agenda any way they can in both countries. Including by political appointees, which is what SC justices now are, only too happy to overrule the voice of the people as it comes through their elected representatives.
What's trivial about Russia trying to tilt vote to Trump---Russia, no friend of America---and Trump then asking the Communists to hack Clinton now dissing CIA and both-party probe into what's going on because "I don't believe it"? He asked for it, now says don't go there!
Trump, who says he likes Putin, wants to install as America's secretary of state a person with strong business ties with Russia, presented by Putin its highest honour of friendship. Trivial? To the point your media musing today about an election re-do. The tilt-try happened but we'll never know effect on voters.
What's trivial about Russia trying to tilt vote to Trump....
....The tilt-try happened but we'll never know effect on voters.
In truth, russian meddling in any sovereign nation's election is not trivial. In fact, are we 'discussing' a talking point that's not getting much traction? Not one dem is willing to confirm the validity of the narrative, they're only working the emotional angle. Good enough for you?
We're already seeing the effect on voters, true optimism. If all he does is build hotels for four years, the economy will be so much better, that libs will take advantage of short term memory itis. Remember, the difficulty here is that the smart candidate of the future has been shown that it's possible to not get borked.
Canada's process doesn't bear comparison. I can't recall public controversy over an appointment. Didn't conservative PM Mulroney appoint a known liberal to the SC under the old system? From Wikipedia:
"Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada are appointed by the Governor General-in-Council, a process whereby the governor general, the viceregal representative of the Queen of Canada, makes appointments based on the advice of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada. By tradition and convention, only the Cabinet, a standing committee in the larger council, advises the governor general and this advice is usually expressed exclusively through a consultation with the prime minister. Thus, the provinces and parliament have no formal role in such appointments, sometimes a point of contention.
"As of August, 2016 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opened the process of application to change from the above noted appointment process. The new revised process "will permit any Canadian lawyer or judge who fits a specified criteria can apply for a seat on the Supreme Court, through the Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs."
Our American friends may be surprised that our Liberal PM appointed a former conservative PM (now teaching at Harvard) as chair of the seven-member advisory board to make a short-list of nominees. The board is comprised of representatives of four legal societies and three prominent Canadians of whom two must not be of legals.
An appointment in Canada gets as much ink as a change of a sign in our village market.
No, craig, the meddling is only part of it. The new president and presumptive secretary of state are friends with close business ties to Putin and his corrupt autocracy who are doing everything to weaken the United States. If that's a trivial emotional angle, count me in. Putin saw a Communist advantage of Trump as president. And, as always with these guys, follow the money
Preposterous. If Putin wanted to weaken America he would have attempted to support Clinton.
Of course Russia penetrated or attempted to penetrate any email system connected to government. It's an intelligence function. As do other hackers, even non political private citizens. Wikileaks showed the Democrats for what they were, as opposed to being a disinformation campaign.
The most asbsurd aspect of this entire subject is that Russian involvement in elections and American society in general has been going on for decades, in the form of Soviet Marxist-Leninist doctrine. Which is the current ideology of the Democrat Party. That's the true Russian involvement in elections. What's going on now is merely a disinformation narrative by the Democrats to attempt to weaken Trump. It's not going to work.
No, craig, the meddling is only part of it. The new president and presumptive secretary of state are friends with close business ties to Putin and his corrupt autocracy who are doing everything to weaken the United States....
....as always with these guys, follow the money
Wouldn't one objectively conclude that russia benefited like never before in history by having an obama sec-o-state serve up a nice chunk of US uranium production.
Take a look at what that means. First, not just any ole money, but chrony pay to play wealth beyond the infirm gals wildest dreams. The US is weakened, why should we enable russian nuke ambitions? And, the current sec-o-state can't even approach putin for complementary ukranian ice festival tickets.
Interesting eh? He's surrounding himself with experts that have immediate access to our biggest enemies inner circle. Take a look at our current chinese ambassador's qualifications to strengthen us, payback for helping force feed ocare. Did Trump reward Rudy, or is he seeking out the brightest and best for the job at hand. Could bo be more trivial?
"An appointment in Canada gets as much in as a change of a sign in our village market."
King, Canada could blow up tonight and I wouldn't know about it until I tried turning on the hockey game next Saturday. All I would get is an endless loop of Little Mosque on the Prairie and Don Cherry's Rock 'em Sockem Hockey. I think Nova Scotia could blow up and Canada wouldn't know about it 'till next summer.
"Honey!, I'm going to Beaver Lumber to get some stuff for the rink!"
"Oh, don't bother, they're out of bug infested wood. Nova Scotia blew up 6 months ago!"
"No shit. Didn't know that. Any beer in the fridge?"
______________________________ They all live on donuts and moose meat. Weird Al
As I said in page one of this post. Maybe this will mean that .22 rim fire ammunition will be available now that it is apparent that no zombie attacks are imminent. Hopefully all the hoarder's understand that getting kids into the shooting sports is our only hope.
Trump is going to be president. Done deal. Time to consolidate the future.
geo, isn't that what I said about gun control: America is too much in love with its guns to change it, that any changes would be cosmetic and, as the little fella kindly reminded us above, Obama would keep his legislative gun in his holster. The board collectively predicted blue ruin.
No Little King, that isn't exactly what you said about gun control. In fact you've said quite a few things in support of gun control and in support of anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment, and anti-NRA politicians like Obama and Clinton. Here's a couple to remind everyone that you are no friend to us and our Right to Keep and Bear Arms:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.
One of my favorites was this one from you little King... a self professed atheist... lecturing us about turning our backs on Jesus in order to defend our 2nd Amendment:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.
Little King, I saved quite a bit more of your anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric that you've posted here over the years. I plan to post it all in the Silent Doubles Forum when the time comes as my memorial tribute to you, the guy who, in my opinion, is the most committed and dishonest anti-gun Troll we have here. I want your anti-gun words to be your permanent legacy here when you are gone.
Yes, the board did collectively predict blue ruin while you attempted to LULL us into complacency. And blue ruin is what would have resulted if our NRA and gun owners by the millions did not mobilize to prevent Obama from having his way with us. We gave Obama his most stinging legislative defeat in 2013, and it carried on into the defeat on numerous anti-gun legislators in 2014.
Aside from your serial dishonesty and pathological prevarication, how can you say that Obama has kept his anti-gun sentiment in his legislative holster? This is the same Barack Hussein Obama who has repeatedly called for extreme anti-gun legislation including restrictions and outright bans on assault style weapons, large capacity magazines, ammunition bans, and registration in the form of so-called Universal Background Checks. Right after the 2012 Newtown school shooting, he appointed Joe Biden as his Gun Control Czar and pushed long and hard for all of the above anti-gun legislation. You knew that... and you also knew of his many anti-gun Executive Orders pertaining to Gun Control which he could not get through Congress thanks to Republican majorities... so that makes you a liar. Do you remember saying this?
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Second is what originalists and others want it to be, the former seeing any variances as infringements. So it goes and ever will be. It is not inviolable and inalienable as some members want all of us to believe.
The president's last 21 Executive Orders on gun control hardly got a mention here---if one, at all.
Of course, that was a lie too, since we had reminded you numerous times about Obama using Executive Orders to chip away at our gun rights in Misfires. I saved some of those discussions too. But telling lies seems to be a way of life for you. What a sick disgusting fraud you are.
By the way... has everyone forgotten that Obama meddled in the Israeli Election of Benjamin Netanyahu and even used our tax dollars in an attempt to oust him? In December 2015, it was reported that Barack Obama intercepted communications between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US lawmakers. The Obama White House targeted Netanyahu because he opposed their insane nuclear deal with the Iranian regime.
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.
Here is in a nutshell, the faulty arguments of the left. According to this statement, control (government regulation) works to provide a less violent society, which is less violent because of a different culture.
So which is it that causes less violence....gun control or culture?
We have the answer to that question in Switzerland James. It is a nation where almost 1 in 2 people own a gun, and members of the militia have full automatic weapons and ammunition in their homes. Yet they have one of the lowest crime and homicide rates in the world.
But you won't hear that from King Brown. He is in total denial about the actual source and causes of most of the gun violence in the U.S., because it just doesn't fit his narrative or his anti-2nd Amendment agenda. From his own words, it is apparent that he feels our 2nd Amendment marks an acceptance of mass murders and a rejection of Jesus' teaching.
How many of you have noticed that the Second Amendment Informational thread that was pinned to the top of this forum is gone? It appears that King's fellow anti-2nd Amendment Troll Ed Good was successful in disrupting it by continually violating the ground rules set forth by Dave. Too bad Dave didn't do the logical thing and delete Ed and King instead of that thread, because the Liberal Left Democrats in this country have not abandoned their quest to infringe upon our gun rights just because Donald Trump was elected.
Good point. You really got my attention this morning, James. I believe gun control works generally in Canada because of the people we are. Granted our laws are expressions of the will of our people through legislatures but our country developed differently under circumstances different from others.
The German ambassador to Canada referred to us this way a week ago when he said Canada is the only friend Germany has, as a multicultural country coping with freedom and liberty more in the collective than singular, reflecting perhaps the idealism of the priest's daughter, Angela Merkel.
In my view, Americans are good people. They live in a violent country burdened by their history.Twenty per cent of its population were slaves in 1776. For all good intentions of Jefferson and Patrick Henry, the country couldn't give up its slaves or its army taking by force indigenous lands.
The Revolution and Civil War made a new political order based on greater meritocracy but with it came notions of liberty that didn't include other people. What currently looks from the outside as incipient civil war---police killings, BLM, gun violence---would be unthinkable in most western countries.
I believe culture causes less violence. Least violence seems to come from a collective will of what the Founding Fathers aspired to---equality and liberty for all. That's what Canada strives toward, as America does in its historically fettered way. Bless 'em both.
Given what the fraud King Brown just said about a country's rate of violent crime being a reflection of their distant past history, you'd thing the descendants of indigenous native Indians of Canada would be shooting up Toronto the way descendants of former slaves are shooting up Chicago. Little King apparently missed what I said earlier about his lies, his anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric, and his desire to ignore the fact that his Magic Negro Obama did as much or more than Putin did to meddle in another nation's election. So I'll repeat it for him...
Originally Posted By: King Brown
geo, isn't that what I said about gun control: America is too much in love with its guns to change it, that any changes would be cosmetic and, as the little fella kindly reminded us above, Obama would keep his legislative gun in his holster. The board collectively predicted blue ruin.
No Little King, that isn't exactly what you said about gun control. In fact you've said quite a few things in support of gun control and in support of anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment, and anti-NRA politicians like Obama and Clinton. Here's a couple to remind everyone that you are no friend to us and our Right to Keep and Bear Arms:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.
One of my favorites was this one from you little King... a self professed atheist... lecturing us about turning our backs on Jesus in order to defend our 2nd Amendment:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.
Little King, I saved quite a bit more of your anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric that you've posted here over the years. I plan to post it all in the Silent Doubles Forum when the time comes as my memorial tribute to you, the guy who, in my opinion, is the most committed and dishonest anti-gun Troll we have here. I want your anti-gun words to be your permanent legacy here when you are gone.
Yes, the board did collectively predict blue ruin while you attempted to LULL us into complacency. And blue ruin is what would have resulted if our NRA and gun owners by the millions did not mobilize to prevent Obama from having his way with us. We gave Obama his most stinging legislative defeat in 2013, and it carried on into the defeat on numerous anti-gun legislators in 2014.
Aside from your serial dishonesty and pathological prevarication, how can you say that Obama has kept his anti-gun sentiment in his legislative holster? This is the same Barack Hussein Obama who has repeatedly called for extreme anti-gun legislation including restrictions and outright bans on assault style weapons, large capacity magazines, ammunition bans, and registration in the form of so-called Universal Background Checks. Right after the 2012 Newtown school shooting, he appointed Joe Biden as his Gun Control Czar and pushed long and hard for all of the above anti-gun legislation. You knew that... and you also knew of his many anti-gun Executive Orders pertaining to Gun Control which he could not get through Congress thanks to Republican majorities... so that makes you a liar. Do you remember saying this?
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Second is what originalists and others want it to be, the former seeing any variances as infringements. So it goes and ever will be. It is not inviolable and inalienable as some members want all of us to believe.
The president's last 21 Executive Orders on gun control hardly got a mention here---if one, at all.
Of course, that was a lie too, since we had reminded you numerous times about Obama using Executive Orders to chip away at our gun rights in Misfires. I saved some of those discussions too. But telling lies seems to be a way of life for you. What a sick disgusting fraud you are.
By the way... has everyone forgotten that Obama meddled in the Israeli Election of Benjamin Netanyahu and even used our tax dollars in an attempt to oust him? In December 2015, it was reported that Barack Obama intercepted communications between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US lawmakers. The Obama White House targeted Netanyahu because he opposed their insane nuclear deal with the Iranian regime.
....I believe gun control works generally in Canada because of the people we are....
....Americans are good people. They live in a violent country burdened by their history....
....What currently looks from the outside as incipient civil war---police killings, BLM, gun violence---would be unthinkable in most western countries.
I believe culture causes less violence. Least violence seems to come from a collective will of what the Founding Fathers aspired to---equality and liberty for all. That's what Canada strives toward, as America does in its historically fettered way. Bless 'em both.
I appreciate the history lesson and in a show neighborly support, I must remind you not to forget about the atrocities inflicted to this very day on Canadian natives. Like many in America, you would with hold basic healthcare and promote liquor in lieu of victimless recreational drugs for your out of sight out of mind northern blight to champion your merkelesque multicultural investment. Maybe, you folks will outlaw berkas too?
Could it be that Canada is roughly 85% rural, and that most firarms, in rural areas, are still considered necessary and wise to have implements?
Recently, a former mex. prez told an American President elect to ef off, a western cultural high water mark. In the recent past, our friends to the north called a sitting US President a 'moron' just because of the colour of his political skin. Another cultural indicator?
Back to my admiration for rural Canada. Haven't you noticed that the location of a new prez library has had some seven thousand shootings this year. Out in the wild west, or deep in the darkest hell holes of a small handful of 'populous' American inner cities. Yes, you could call it a cultural thing.
What I don't quite figure out is, why send kids and grandkids off into that brave new world. Don't worry, Canadian urban centers are more than entitled to a 'cultural' change, while retaining a slightly rose coloured stain when viewed from ivory deer stands.
Maybe, our cry rooms and safe zones, for the kids, will be bullet proof?
By the way... has everyone forgotten that Obama meddled in the Israeli Election of Benjamin Netanyahu and even used our tax dollars in an attempt to oust him? In December 2015, it was reported that Barack Obama intercepted communications between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US lawmakers. The Obama White House targeted Netanyahu because he opposed their insane nuclear deal with the Iranian regime.
Interesting that here in the States, gun sales have gone way up. Obama being the best gun salesman ever! Yet gun violence is down from past levels.
Now if Trump follows through on his Muslim ban/deportation then terrorist activities will go down.
It would be far, far better if countries like: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel,.....took some in. I'm sure they would feel much better if they lived among Middle Easterners and did not have to leave region they were born in.
Exactly!! And they'll soon find out with people arming themselves and applying for CCW permits being or becoming a terrorist in this country is not a wise career choice or a very long one. You might catch us off guard once but the second time you better get ready and be real confident there are these 21 virgins waiting for you.
The only thing Obama is leaving the US with is a hot garbage mess. Obamacare can not be funded going forwards. We are ten trillion dollars more in debt witching nothing to show for the money. All executive orders he used to circumvent congress and the constitution should be repealed ASAP. His legacy may be as trivial as Jimmy Carters. He spent weeks promoting debate about which bathroom people should use as a distraction from real issues.
What a wasted eight years. What a waste of money and time. It is no lie to say he sold more guns, caused more Republicans to get elected than any Republican President in history. Even the EPA is rolling back things he did knowing that they would have been rolled back in the first month. Now wait until the fine print is looked at and even more rollbacks are coming.
And I will once again take this thread back to the primary point. Obama himself admits that he failed miserably in one of his key points to take the U S further down the path of socialism and that was gun control. Furthermore his two principal replacements, both of whom were committed socialists, were roundly rejected by responsible Americans over the vast majority of our country. The sole locations where they prevailed in the voting booth was in large urban sewers such as New York and los Angeles. And in these locations there is good reason to believe voting fraud was common. Trumps efforts to turn our Country around have been impressive even though he hasn't officially taken office yet! Jim
Great line from a song by Kinky Freidman (Jew) " They don't make Jews like Jesus anymore. They don't turn the other cheek like they did before" Kinky has a band called "The Texas Jewboys" just sayin...
I let the Bible's ambiguity stay where it is, steve, and try to live by the Commandments and the Golden Rule. Jesus's injunction was to love, not split-tongue tooth-for-tooth and turning cheeks. I don't believe in peace at any price, either. To those who feel the need to arm themselves to stay alive, I say fill your boots, it's your country. Americans who think differently do otherwise.
I let the Bible's ambiguity stay where it is, steve, and try to live by the Commandments and the Golden Rule. Jesus's injunction was to love, not split-tongue tooth-for-tooth and turning cheeks. I don't believe in peace at any price, either. To those who feel the need to arm themselves to stay alive, I say fill your boots, it's your country. Americans who think differently do otherwise.
If we all followed the same Do Unto Others Golden Rule as you Little King, it would require that we should frequently lie to you, denigrate your country, and support gun control in Canada... just as you do to us here.
So how about your boy Obama, and his recent meddling in the Israeli election by attempting to oust Benjamin Netanyahu? Ah, I get it. We don't want to go there, do we? You would be forced to admit that your anti-gun boy Obama has hands dirtier than Putin. Clinton got her e-mail accounts hacked because there was plenty of dirt to go after. Does anyone here think the DNC didn't try to find more dirt on Trump than his decades old locker room talk that was their October Surprise?
Hey, here's some more of your Biblical Scholarship which you used to support the ridiculous claim of the Liberal Left that the 2nd Amendment did not originally refer to an individual right to keep and bear arms. Uh, I don't think any Fundamentalists claimed that Jesus walked with dinosaurs. You must be thinking of Fred Flintstone:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Dave, Dave, Dave: you're like those fundamentalists who claim Jesus walked with the dinosaurs. There was no NRA at time of the Founding Fathers. The change was recent to what the Second is today. You acknowledge as "infringements" all those jurisdictions making the Second what they want it to be. But still the law.
Whether Americans carry because they can or have to is not the issue. They democratically make decisions on how they want to live. Their homicide record is not edifying among modern societies. It is a violent country.
Of course, you have made the same dishonest and inaccurate argument several times in the past, going back to at least 2007. You even lied to us about Constitutional Scholar Marc Levin's thoughts on it. Would you like an instant replay of that discussion Little King? I saved it for your Memorial Tribute in "Silent Doubles". And even when it was proven to you that the Framers intended the 2nd confer an Individual Right, one which they debated and discussed and wrote about in the Federalist Papers, you still came back later with your ridiculous notion about the Militia being a collective right. It must be very sad for you to know that Hillary won't be nominating SCOTUS Justices who would overturn the 2008 Heller and McDonald decisions:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.
I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.
I let the Bible's ambiguity stay where it is, steve, and try to live by the Commandments and the Golden Rule. Jesus's injunction was to love, not split-tongue tooth-for-tooth and turning cheeks....
Whew, am I glad you didn't mention the koran.
If a male of your multicultural experiment is picking up his daughter at the airport from her right of passage middle eastern vacation. Do you think his genitals should be mutilated in the Christian spirit, or should you look the other way and pretend to love him?
There is lots of Christians in this country, but with these gutless Islamic terrorists who enjoy shooting unarmed people in the back, more and more of us are reverting back to 'Old Testament' Christians, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
Ah, craig, that's all old repeats, rear-view mirror; be like Jim in Arizona and me, settling in comfortably for the big tv shew: a new president supported by the Russians and Klan, his chief strategist running an alt-right platform commonly equated with racism, fascism and white supremacy, and---well, you know---nothing to get our knickers in a knot: it's a reality show. The promos say it will easily eclipse All In The Family, dripping with suspense of a president who can dish it out but can't take a punch. Don't miss it!
Ah....it's a reality show. The promos say it will easily eclipse All In The Family, dripping with suspense of a president who can dish it out but can't take a punch. Don't miss it!
So true, wisdom beyond your years. Edge of the seat stuff. Legacy, grasping at straws is such a sorry sight to see, worse than six month old reruns of 'the view'.
Let me know if you miss one because I'm staying up for the series. Audiences know it can't be true, of course. Republicans haven't won the popular vote in this century.
Ah, craig, that's all old repeats, rear-view mirror; be like Jim in Arizona and me, settling in comfortably for the big tv shew: a new president supported by the Russians and Klan, his chief strategist running an alt-right platform commonly equated with racism, fascism and white supremacy, and---well, you know---nothing to get our knickers in a knot: it's a reality show. The promos say it will easily eclipse All In The Family, dripping with suspense of a president who can dish it out but can't take a punch. Don't miss it!
Ah, Sralin,
You certainly do deliver. You can always be counted on to spout the false narratives of your sociopathic, religious statist brothers down here in America.
I think the American repudiation of your commie religious belief is really getting to you, you're becoming unhinged. Now, instead of a clear pivot, you're flopping back and forth like some spastic windshield wiper, going from sycophantic pandering one moment to vitriolic demonization the next.
I think I'm enjoying your reactions nearly as much as those of your fellow nut-jobs down here.
Vitriolic demonization, Ken? That's not fun. I'm enjoying the show as much as you. Trump is on everyone's lips all over the world, and for the US the best education the country ever had of how politics looks after its own.
Ah, craig, that's all old repeats, rear-view mirror; be like Jim in Arizona and me, settling in comfortably for the big tv shew:
Seriously King? You compare yourself to Jim in Arizona? Don't insult him. Jim in Arizona has you on IGNORE because he got sick of your incessant lies and anti-gun Socialist dogma.
Oftentimes, your mixed metaphors and rambling dementia driven writing style leaves us confused. Were you talking about your hero Barack Hussein Obama when you said this about the thin skinned little faggot?
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The promos say it will easily eclipse All In The Family, dripping with suspense of a president who can dish it out but can't take a punch. Don't miss it!
Here's an example of the your first openly gay president once again showing the nation that he "can dish it out but can't take a punch."
Then there was his statement before the election about Trump having the gall to question the integrity of the election process when he said, "But what we haven't seen before is somebody questioning the integrity of elections and the will of the people."
That was then, and this is now... when he, and you Little King, and all of the other whiny Liberal Left Democrats are calling for recounts in specially selected states and accusing the Russians of hacking voting machines. The Electoral College was put in place for a very good reason, but now there seems to be a concerted effort to drop it now that Democrats have an almost guaranteed low-information constituency dependent upon Government Freebies in a few large population areas. I wonder why Obama and the Liberals aren't calling for recounts or questioning the integrity of the process in those areas, or why they fight voter I.D. laws tooth and nail? Take out the votes of dead people and stuffed ballot boxes in staunch Democrat strongholds, and Donald Trump probably won the popular vote by a healthy margin too.
I'm really enjoying your suffering over the widespread rejection of your ideology Little King.
Let me know if you miss one because I'm staying up for the series. Audiences know it can't be true, of course. Republicans haven't won the popular vote in this century.
Yes they did in 2004,
Bush; 62,040,610 or 51% of the popular vote Kerry; 59,028,444 or 48% of the popular vote.
That's not how we elect the President as the Founding Fathers knew somehow someway that eventually New York City and California would be whacked out and led by goof balls. Don't know how they did it though.
Let me know if you miss one because I'm staying up for the series. Audiences know it can't be true, of course....
Went to bed early, eh?
I'll watch the finale myself, I hear u-haul will be advertising. I got a minute, who's the fellow that looked like he was going to be the star of the show, but wasn't getting much air time at the end? I think he was in sales, got stuck with a warehouse full of snake oil back on episode two?
Ah, if you don't know who it is either, I'll try search him up. I should have a bunch of spare time sitting at the dems for dog catcher job fare booth. Hey, no snickering, dogs have feelings too.
King is canadian, being a small inconsequential player in geopolitical decisions he has to attack the only free, true, global superpower.it makes him feel like he's actually doing something.
Maybe King and the rest of the vill can build bo and hill an office next to Willy Wonko and they can open a chiropractic business. They can call themselves the Lumbar Jacks.
_____________________________ If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green
Vitriolic demonization, Ken? That's not fun. I'm enjoying the show as much as you. Trump is on everyone's lips all over the world, and for the US the best education the country ever had of how politics looks after its own.
Yes King, when you slavishly repeat the false narratives of the sociopathic Left, it's vitriolic, religious demonization.
As an aside, I myself had never heard of the "alt-right", until Hillary attempted to laughably Demonize it during one of her sociopathic sermons. Here's a pretty good description of it from evil Breitbart, an article that made Bloomberg's "Articles we which we'd written" list.
The article that shelved Breitbart and currently capturing world's attention is new president who formerly argued for policy more aligned with Russian interests, benefitted from Russian interference in the election, appointed as secretary state one of Russia's most honoured friends says it didn't happen while Mitch and other GOP leaders say get a grip, the country can't afford partisanization of intelligence.
"Benefitted from Russian interference"? I'd say that has not been proven, at this time it's clearly a false narrative. The only alignment with Russia that has been spoken about is fighting Islamists, but that has been distorted to serve Democrat political demonization attempts. A " Russian friend"? Perhaps, but it's way too early to determine anything, as actual policy has not been put forth. Mitch and McCain? Hardly representative of the Republicans who elected Trump. Both have their own agendas, much of them not supported by the Republican electorate. Obama has already politically corrupted the intelligence services. The drama continues.
I see you're now throwing Russia "under the bus". You're about 70 years too late.
Canada and the western world has a big stake in America as a strong, democratic country aspiring to the ideals of the Founding Fathers, mc. The world watched as Americans lost faith in their governance and wanted to start over again. No one except our Communist adversaries takes comfort in your current dog-and-pony show, least perhaps the GOP owning all the houses and already opposing the new president.
To all the Trump enthusiasts on the board I say enjoy the ride while it lasts. I certainly don't wish the country ill, but I predict the ride will be short, and sad before it ends.
Thanks, treblig. I was thinking 2000 Bush win without popular vote, decided by SC, and forgot carry-over to 2004 with smallest popular vote ever for re-elected incumbent president.
I'm more optimistic, Bill. This could be GOP's finest service to the country. Not that it will find a silver bullet but it may stumble into America's vaunted checks and balances as they're supposed to work. We see it looming now in the Senate.
The US is the last place I'd look for one-man rule with a president appearing to put his commercial interests before the country. Poking China in the eye while it hold your debt, enough interest to pay for its military, isn't smart.
It's just that I have so much faith in the country, worked there as reporter for years. China now calling Trump "an ignorant child" is distinguishing itself as different from Russia but knows as I do that the US is no one's baby.
....I certainly don't wish the country ill, but I predict the ride will be short, and sad before it ends.
Bill, we've been 'talking' about being ill for quite a while, and you seem to be wishing it on us. That's okay. If it truly is a bad ride ride, I hope it's short too. Isn't that better than a long bad ride?
Even if you're unenthusiastic, will you comment occasionally on how he makes the ride bad for you. Not your feelings, but for your actual circumstances?
Thanks, treblig. I was thinking 2000 Bush win without popular vote, decided by SC, and forgot carry-over to 2004 with smallest popular vote ever for re-elected incumbent president.
Have you ever even spent 30 seconds studying historical facts before posting? Bill Clinton's re-election vote totals in 1996 were far smaller, and he didn't even win an majority in either one of his election victories.
Of course we all know the popular vote is absolutely irrelevant, for good reason. Just pointing out your astonishing ignorance (or intentional disregard) of history.
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King, I do truly hope it is the GOP's gift to the long term health of the country. And I also expect it is the badly needed renaissance of our journalism, not to mention comedy and satire. Craig, my personal circumstances haven't been affected yet, but I've come to take Medicare and Social Security for granted. My feelings, my misgivings, are not so much about myself. What concerns me most are children and grandchildren, and not just my own, who'll have to live in whatever new world emerges.
Dave, that applies to every country, everything's going up, and in those US rising expenses and debt is Obama's huge pumping of the economy to keep it intact during the great recession, which will be followed shortly by Trump's huge public infrastructure injection approved by both parties. Some call it socialism, your taxes to make work and pay for amenities and military, but to me it's part of a public/private mixed economy that's been around as long as I can remember. Look up how national debt made the mighty British Empire, starting with a loan from the Rothchilds. The only point of concern is whether America has the right stuff to back it up in its people, innovation and resources. You've got that in spades.
....Craig, my personal circumstances haven't been affected yet, but I've come to take Medicare and Social Security for granted. My feelings, my misgivings, are not so much about myself. What concerns me most are children and grandchildren, and not just my own, who'll have to live in whatever new world emerges.
Me too Bill. I have a few kids that're out on their own, or just about there. I really don't care much either way about my place in the country.
I not the biggest fan of my grandkids learning revisionist history that has very little similarities to what used to be history. I don't think it has to be hammered in their heads that most of their buddies around them in lower grade school are gay and just don't know it.
How about college. Do you think our young adults and future leaders should be 'borrowing' 60k a year to be taught that they should retreat to safe rooms and be provided with coloring books. When I hire someone, the first thing we check is what they put on social media. Would you hire someone that's bragging about disrupting a business or shouting down someone trying to give a talk, or getting high?
Yes sir Bill. If my boy were still twelve and he said hey Bill to you instead of Mr., he'd be worried about an incoming back hand. You don't seem to care how far basic manners and courtesies have eroded, but we get to listen to how bad Trump is? Knowing the public hillery and reading the leaked emails from her and those around her, could you be friends with her, count on her? Would you send your grandkids up in the mountains to hunt with a person like her? Sheesh, the D after her name gives her superpowers.
Craig, I care a great deal about the erosion of basic manners and courtesies. That is my first objection to Trump. He's the master of the grossest kind of insult, and he does it reflexively with no regard whatsoever for truth or facts. As for today's schools, I'm continually impressed with how much more my grandchildren know than I knew at their ages. Most of them are bilingual, they have heavy loads of homework, they know more math, science, and technology, and they read and write well. All attend public schools. The oldest is a senior in college ( fisheries biology). The other six range down to first grade. And they dress neatly and treat adults with respect. The whole world hasn't gone to hell. But I do fear Trump is poised to move it in that direction.
Little King Brown continues to post false information as shown above in posts by treblig1958 and Flintfan. This just goes to further prove what I have said many times before. When Little King makes a claim or posts his so-called "facts", it is always wise to verify them because they are so frequently untrue.
Ronald Reagan famously said, "Trust, but verify." With Little King's serial dishonesty, it is more prudent to Distrust and Double-Check virtually everything he says.
As soon as I saw the charts and graphs posted by Dave K., I immediately thought that although a picture is worth a thousand words, even a pictorial display of Obama's real legacy which he left for our kids and grandchildren would be too much for Little King and Rocky Mtn Bill to understand. Little King references manageable debt accrued by the British during their Empire building days, and equates that with absolutely unsustainable debt of a level which has led to disastrous defaults and great hardship in other countries that spent themselves into oblivion. It takes a Libtard brain to be unable to see the difference, and his observation is further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Tax and spend Liberals are already bashing Trump for proposing more spending, but it may come to pass that his spending will be accompanied by a vibrant economy that generates enough receipts to repay the debt, unlike Obama.
As far as the unproven allegations about Russian interference in our election process, all that can be said... assuming Putin really was involved... is that he informed the electorate about dirt the Clinton campaign didn't want the voters to see. There were no lies or falsehoods involved, which is more than we can say about many of the things King Brown said about Trump. Even the Democrats did not dispute the crap that was in those emails released by Wikileaks. As far as I'm concerned, if Putin was involved in keeping an avowed anti-gunner like Hillary Clinton out of the White House, I think he deserves a medal.
Craig, I care a great deal about the erosion of basic manners and courtesies. That is my first objection to Trump. He's the master of the grossest kind of insult, and he does it reflexively with no regard whatsoever for truth or facts.
Ah yes! More bullshit from rocky mtn bill ferguson who made this reflexive and gross insult right here in his post #422369 on 10/13/15 in Misfires.
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
You wouldn't recognize a fact if it kicked you in the nuts. You're a brainwashed cultist.
And how about these "basic manners and courtesies" that Bill showed us in his post #422725 on 10/16/15. As it turned out, when Billy finally did provide some of the "evidence" I sought, it was proven to be false by craigd, J.C. Hannum, canvasback, and myself:
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Keith,you keep demanding evidence.Why? You have no interest in evidence. Evidence is all over the landscape, but you have to remove your head from your fundament to see it. Every post of yours on Misfires points to the conclusion that you are an A** hole. Why don't you post a little evidence that you're not?
Gee ex-teacher Bill, I'll bet you could teach Donald Trump a thing or two about being both crude and being a hypocrite too! The only difference I see between you and Trump is that he was interested in vaginas while you were thinking about rectums and testicles. And how many times did you get caught in Misfires being less than truthful with your so-called facts? If you'd like, I can replay some of them here to refresh your faulty memory. Don't you wish the things you said in Misfires were really gone?
It is interesting that Libtard Bill can be so intensely concerned about Trump dragging the country down while he totally ignores the many foreign and domestic policy failures of the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And Bill is just as reliable as Little King when it comes to supporting and defending those extreme anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats who work so hard to infringe upon our Constitutional Gun Rights. Bill's boy Obama has done absolutely nothing to shore up or stabilize the Social Security and Medicare that Bill is so concerned about. Instead of preventing jobs from going to Mexico, Obama permitted millions of illegal Mexicans to remain here taking American jobs without consequences. And why would we expect him to understand any questions about the rise of ISIS or the explosive cost increases in health insurance coverage under ObamaCare when he cannot even comprehend Dave K's pictures?
If you persist in provoking and insulting people, how do you possibly justify being upset when they lose patience with you and respond in kind?
I think I know what you are trying to say there Billy, even though your response makes little sense. How is it that an ex-English teacher such as yourself cannot put together a rational sentence? You have every reason to be worried about Trump taking away your teacher's pension. You obviously didn't earn it.
In that particular Misfires thread which you initiated and titled "Republican's Incompetence Caucus", your idea of provocation was simply my repeated request that you prove what you were telling us. I had already checked your assertions, and once again, you were attempting to feed us Liberal Left lies. I saved all of it Billy, and my offer to replay it for you still stands.
When you finally did offer up your version of proof, it was soundly refuted by craigd, J.C. Hannum, canvasback, and myself. But you then doubled down with even more bullshit, which also went down in flames. Of course, that was nothing new to me because you had attempted to spoon feed us pure bullshit many other times prior to that. In fact, your previous foray into those murky Misfires waters was 11 months prior to that when you lied about George Bush cutting funds for teacher training. In fact, he had made a substantial increase, and I gave you proof from your own Dept. of Education... which you refused to acknowledge. Do you recall your childish reaction to that Billy? It started out very similar to Little King's pretending to ignore me in the hope that I'll just go away.
I don't just go away. And I have perfectly civil discussions with plenty of people who I disagree with... until they start telling me lies and attempt to feed me bullshit... especially when their utter bullshit is intended to support and defend anti-2nd Amendment politicians like your gal Hillary. I'd say you owe Donald Trump and us an apology, but I suspect hell will freeze over before that happens. It is much more likely that you'll do what you always do, and depart this discussion with your tail between your legs just as you have done so often in the past. Then you'll return months later with more agenda driven DNC and NEA bullshit. Sound about right Billy?
I don't care if you and your kind don't like me. In fact, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Keith, pointing out that Donald Trump is a crude , loud-mouthed, ill-mannered bully is intended to support Hillary Clinton? Your ability to read and interpret a simple sentence could use remediation. I'll gladly admit I'm capable of mis-remembering past events or getting a fact wrong. I'm fallible, being human.What I'd like you to acknowledge in return is that in issues of politics and public policy there valid disagreements between competing points of view. My contrarian posts aren't intended to change anybody's views here. I just like to point out that every coin has two sides. " The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius
To all the Trump enthusiasts on the board I say enjoy the ride while it lasts. I certainly don't wish the country ill, but I predict the ride will be short, and sad before it ends.
Bill you need to get yer head out of Hillary Clinton's azz and clean the crap out of yer eyes bud....
Thanks, Ken. I think I do understand how many,many people have been ignored, shut out, abandoned, and made obsolete by the forces that operate the world. I also think it's a failure on the part of both parties though I'm inclined to give more blame to the Democrats. They used to represent the underdog. The Republicans haven't done so since Lincoln. If Trump could make an effort now to heal the Great Divide, he could win some support from his sceptics. The divide we see right here is a microcosm of the bigger world. Perhaps we can ease up on the rancor. There's always plenty to argue about. Yelling never seems to advance understanding.
....pointing out that Donald Trump is a crude , loud-mouthed, ill-mannered bully is intended to support Hillary Clinton?....
....What I'd like you to acknowledge in return is that in issues of politics and public policy there valid disagreements between competing points of view....
....I just like to point out that every coin has two sides....
Bill, you don't often discuss 'policy'. Take a look at how you jumped in to this 'conversation', a poke at folks who lean the opposite direction as you without substance.
It has been mentioned that hill, as a first lady, gave a policy speech about black youths being super predators and that they should be brought to heal, yes it's searchable. There is all the inbetween. In early November, the various email leaks were still pouring out about the intolerance, bigotry and lies that was 'policy' for hill and her inner circle.
Your current prez has made a ton of loud mouthed, ill-mannered bully rants intended to support hill and your side of the coin. In early November, he was screaming at a crowd of his supporters that they were obligated to his legacy to vote for hill, remember? There's tons more. Point is, you never acknowledge the other side of the coin.
The romney's, mccain's and the also ran sixteen have been discussed along with the various interpretations of the 'high road'. If the hill campaign only had the 'ists', and you feel the need to continue labeling, why shouldn't Trump use that very same strategy to win a Presidential election?
Heck, take a look at your Aurelius quote, is that for both sides of the coin or is just one side insane? If I could change your mind about a tiny little thing, maybe it could be to take an honest position about the true state of public education beyond your neck of the woods. At times, public schools have done a great job for my wife and I, but it wasn't consistent by a long shot.
Craig, I readily acknowledge that country-wide measures show our public schools doing a poor job, 26th out of thirty countries is the current rank. Our universities that are so easily ridiculed for PC publicity, are still the world's best. What kills public education are failed schools and failed school districts. My point was just that there are also lots of good schools here. The highest correlation with success in school is family income.
Bill, you are a microcosm of how and why the public schools are doing a poor job. But you have repeatedly blamed that on a lack of taxpayer money even though we spend more per pupil than any nation on Earth. Let's kill two birds with one stone and examine your answer to me this morning. You say I somehow misinterpreted your obvious support for Hillary due to a reading comprehension problem. I get your support for Hillary from the sum total of all of your posts in this election cycle. And I get your reliable support for anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Democrats from the sum total of all of your political commentary. I didn't misinterpret anything based upon one simple comment about Trump's sometimes crude language, even though you lacked the courage to state your obvious support for Hillary Clinton, the anti-gun Liberal Left Democrat. Here's an example from a few months ago... where the retired public school English Teacher shows us that he cannot spell the word hypocrite:
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
I'm no hypocrit. The Republican Party is nuts. I can't help them. I'll try to stay out of it here, but James' post calls out for some response so that others here don't conclude his lunacy is the only view on this site.
Take a gander at your posts for the last six months where you have done nothing but bash Trump in your political commentary. You've made a fair amount of political commentary recently even though you have also lectured us that such commentary has no place here. Does that make you a hypocrit, or a hypocrite? You've used that poor excuse of being only human and getting a fact wrong now and then in the past too. Then you go on to post more lies and bullshit... and also show us that the English Teacher cannot spell the word skeptic either:
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Thanks, Ken. I think I do understand how many,many people have been ignored, shut out, abandoned, and made obsolete by the forces that operate the world. I also think it's a failure on the part of both parties though I'm inclined to give more blame to the Democrats. They used to represent the underdog. The Republicans haven't done so since Lincoln. If Trump could make an effort now to heal the Great Divide, he could win some support from his sceptics. The divide we see right here is a microcosm of the bigger world. Perhaps we can ease up on the rancor. There's always plenty to argue about. Yelling never seems to advance understanding.
You make the absurd and dishonest claim that the Republicans haven't represented the underdog since Lincoln. Perhaps the ex-public school teacher should do a little homework and check where Lyndon Johnson got the majority of votes to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Then check the votes for the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Then you should check to see just who was for, and who was against women getting the right to vote during the passage of the 19th Amendment. You could also look at who passed and signed the OSHA Act to protect the lives of workers. You could also check to see which Party has been most inclined to tax the crap out of the middle class. But you won't.
You aren't about facts Billy. You are all about repeating NEA and DNC propaganda. You have repeatedly proven to me that you can't be bothered with facts, and you typically refuse to acknowledge your lies when you get caught. Did you learn that from Marcus Aurelius... or did you learn that from King Brown?
Keith, In reviewing some of our posts, I came across my request for advice about lubricating an MMC checkering tool. You responded to say that you knew what lubricant was needed but that you wouldn't share that information with someone like me. Later you posted a question about who sharpened the cutters for that tool. I posted the name and address of the company. PS: For anyone needing the lubrication data, the answer is none needed. Perhaps Keith knew that. Perhaps he was merely lying.
....I came across my request for advice about lubricating an MMC checkering tool. You responded to say that you knew what lubricant was needed but that you wouldn't share that information with someone like me. Later you posted a question about who sharpened the cutters for that tool. I posted the name and address of the company....
How come you can ease back from the rhetoric, but Trump can't? I'm thinking never mind, I know why, but I hope I'm wrong. By the way, thank you for answering the questions and sharing, that's what it might be all about here.
Keith, In reviewing some of our posts, I came across my request for advice about lubricating an MMC checkering tool. You responded to say that you knew what lubricant was needed but that you wouldn't share that information with someone like me. Later you posted a question about who sharpened the cutters for that tool. I posted the name and address of the company. PS: For anyone needing the lubrication data, the answer is none needed. Perhaps Keith knew that. Perhaps he was merely lying.
No Bill, I was not lying. The tiny gearbox was originally lubricated with a special grease intended for high speed dental tools, and the now deceased owner of MMC, Jon Doiron offered a repair service to replace that grease if the handpiece began running hot. Like any grease, it dried out and deteriorated over time. I still have a letter from him on his letterhead to prove it... if you'd like to make a very substantial wager. We could let Dave Weber judge its' authenticity. It took me quite a bit of time to find a suitable replacement lubricant, and it was rather expensive stuff. I still have no desire to share that information with anyone who stabs us in the back by supporting anti-gunners. Of course, most dental drills now run at much higher rpm than the 17,000 max rpm of an MMC tool, and they use a synthetic oil instead of a grease. If you are stupid enough to run those tiny precision gears and bearings under load at up to 17,000 input rpm from a Foredom CC without any lubrication, go right ahead. You're obviously dumber than I thought.
By the way, accusing me of stooping to your level was a very lame and low class way to back away from your latest lie about the Republican Party not doing anything to help the little guy since Lincoln. You are more pathetic than ever.
To all the Trump enthusiasts on the board I say enjoy the ride while it lasts. I certainly don't wish the country ill, but I predict the ride will be short, and sad before it ends.
Bill you need to get yer head out of Hillary Clinton's azz and clean the crap out of yer eyes bud....
I have to confess that deep down I am a Liberal. Going to Canada helps me to overcome my liberal leanings and come to grips with reality. Anything that is outside normal procedures "can't be done". In Canada, thinking outside the box is just not done. I've had some of the strangest experiences in my life listening to excuses as to why something can't be done. I have gotten what I wanted done only after delays and bringing pressure to bear. They are experts however on what is wrong with the USA and quite willing to tell me about it. In my experience I have found they seldom know what they are talking about. Life seems to be viewed through a flawed prism. They are, by and large nice folks and make great beer, but often I think them bit slow. I have learned to and recommend that, one ignores their anti US rants enjoy their company and not be surprised when the simplest task can become a moon shot if it is not a standard procedure.
I never thought of Canadians not being as smart as Americans, pooch, and almost forgot that your notions of providential exceptionalism introduced the term Ugly American to the world 50 years ago, now raising its head again.
Canada is certainly different from US in its polities and civil order with surpassing educational standards that insulates us from the US loss of faith in its governance and institutions, divided more now than in modern history.
A case could be made for Canadian exceptionalism because there is no place like Canada anywhere on earth right now, after watching the US rise to national supremacy and decline suddenly, wallowing in debt from instant gratification.
It's true we struggle to meet our ideals but we fight against xenophobia and are the last country on earth that believes in multiculturalism as a way of life, and that trade is good rather than an instrument of impoverishment.
To stay on thread of a "failed" presidency, some members may have overlooked that Obama honoured America's vote to get its military out of the Middle East and leave the warring parties to die for their religions. No more "war president."
Members may now also project the Iranian deal for what it was, a rebalancing of regional power. Trump will take it farther with oil secretary appointment, coziness with Russia, rising Iran, all fighting ISIS, opening the oil corridor.
My guess Trump will announce it January with huge infrastructure spending, approved easily, letting others do the dying, or US minimally. Commercial interests will do nicely but region's people will go on miserably as usual.
King i'm glad all the Canadians chose you as the spokes person for canada.canada is a very small player in the world very small population and not much diversity very third world in so many ways.
King i'm glad all the Canadians chose you as the spokes person for canada.canada is a very small player in the world very small population and not much diversity very third world in so many ways.
While there is little King and I agree on...he's just wrong about too many things....you are equally wrong in your assessment of Canada as being "third world in so many ways". I spent a 35 year career trading with and representing American interests in Canada. I could be wrong but I suspect you actually know little about Canada. Most Americans don't know much about Canada. Why should you?
I have to confess that deep down I am a Liberal. Going to Canada helps me to overcome my liberal leanings and come to grips with reality. Anything that is outside normal procedures "can't be done". In Canada, thinking outside the box is just not done. I've had some of the strangest experiences in my life listening to excuses as to why something can't be done. I have gotten what I wanted done only after delays and bringing pressure to bear. They are experts however on what is wrong with the USA and quite willing to tell me about it. In my experience I have found they seldom know what they are talking about. Life seems to be viewed through a flawed prism. They are, by and large nice folks and make great beer, but often I think them bit slow. I have learned to and recommend that, one ignores their anti US rants enjoy their company and not be surprised when the simplest task can become a moon shot if it is not a standard procedure.
You aren't describing Canadians, you are describing the evil and soul destroying effects of creeping socialism. Happens everywhere.
True, I have seen some of this in England, but most of my experience with zaniness has been in Canada. I like Canada and I like Canadians, but they can be a massive pain in the ass sometimes
Interesting insight. It begs the next question: "Can anyone think of and name the Canadian equivalent of Donald Trump?".
It's certainly not Twerpdeau.
His name is Kevin O'Leary, he is a self made billionaire, he currently appears on the US network program Shark Tank and he isn't definably a conservative. But he's mulling over a run for the leadership of the Conservative Party.
Like Trump, he's a loud mouth who has been offering prescriptions for a while and came to real public attention via reality TV, first Dragon's Den in Canada and then it's clone in the US, Shark Tank.
He also had a public affairs program on the CBC called Lang and O'Leary, kind of a version of Crossfire. He left the show and shortly afterward his co-host Amanda Lang, a CBC lifer, couldn't understand the conflict of interest inherent in reporting on her boyfriend's company. "I can be objective!!" LOL Idiots!
Every time I feel terrible we elected Trudeau, I am consoled that you did something just as stupid....elect Obama. But you did it twice. LOL
i actually know quite a bit about canada,i know the population and GDP is about the same a california.i know that king is crazy in his constant reference to canada being Utopian and a word leader.my dig at canada is in response to kings constant attack on the united states. with out us the world would be a far different place and not in a good way.i must admit i know nothing of hockey or cooking seal meat.
i actually know quite a bit about canada,i know the population and GDP is about the same a california.i know that king is crazy in his constant reference to canada being Utopian and a word leader.my dig at canada is in response to kings constant attack on the united states. with out us the world would be a far different place and not in a good way.i must admit i know nothing of hockey or cooking seal meat.
Ahh, stereotypes! So useful.
So, do you use google translate on your posts to make the Valley-Speak or Surfer-Dude language that is your natural tongue understandable to the rest of us?
....Canada is certainly different from US in its polities and civil order with surpassing educational standards....
....A case could be made for Canadian exceptionalism because there is no place like Canada anywhere on earth right now, after watching the US rise to national supremacy and decline suddenly....
....To stay on thread of a "failed" presidency....
The decline is not so sudden. Moron, a term of endearment bestowed on a sitting US president by our exceptional neighbors to the north, reflects the pinnacle of grace and civility by those intolerant others. It was probably coined by northern natives, currently serving their punishment in squalor and disgrace. Nothing a little infrastructure investment won't fix.
True, I have seen some of this in England, but most of my experience with zaniness has been in Canada. I like Canada and I like Canadians, but they can be a massive pain in the ass sometimes
As can Americans, Japanese, Germans, English, Swedes, Italians, Chinese, Indonesians, Thais and all the other nationalities I have worked with over the years. You want to see zany....go hang in Germany, Bavaria to be specific, and try to do business.
Again, you are describing people, not nationalities.
....Canada is certainly different from US in its polities and civil order with surpassing educational standards....
....A case could be made for Canadian exceptionalism because there is no place like Canada anywhere on earth right now, after watching the US rise to national supremacy and decline suddenly....
....To stay on thread of a "failed" presidency....
The decline is not so sudden. Moron, a term of endearment bestowed on a sitting US president by our exceptional neighbors to the north, reflects the pinnacle of grace and civility by those intolerant others. It was probably coined by northern natives, currently serving their punishment in squalor and disgrace. Nothing a little infrastructure investment won't fix.
Craig, as you know from his many posts over the years, King subscribes to the belief of Canadian moral superiority over Americans and comments on it in his passive/aggressive manner on a regular basis. While we all know there is resentment towards Americans all over the world, those Canadians who, glibly and with no skin in the game, criticize Americans and imagine Canadians superior, enrage many of their fellow Canadians.
It is both wrong and reeking of ingratitude and bad manners and is a blight on our national character. The best I can say is we aren't the only nationality that does it. Sadly, we are the nationality that gains the most from good relations with America. That truth is often lost on our more critical thinking challenged residents.
Bavaria can make you want to pull your hair out, but still my really zany experiences have been with Canadians. However my experience has been limited to Ontario and Quebec. I think we would all be happier if you took the North East of the US and we got the Midwest of Canada.
I understand those folks in the mid western provinces are a different breed and I have always wanted to take the train ride through western Canada.
There is supposed to be a simple unspoiled beauty about Canada that I've always wanted to experience but have never been able to.
....Craig, as you know from his many posts over the years....
No big deal cback. I'm just testing a strategy. I figure if I can work enough repetition into the 'conversation', it'll become fact. Next one I'll work on, he wears sheer kilts only, January thru March. Can I interest anyone in a caliphate on the streets of london?
Bavaria can make you want to pull your hair out, but still my really zany experiences have been with Canadians. However my experience has been limited to Ontario and Quebec. I think we would all be happier if you took the North East of the US and we got the Midwest of Canada.
I understand those folks in the mid western provinces are a different breed and I have always wanted to take the train ride through western Canada.
There is supposed to be a simple unspoiled beauty about Canada that I've always wanted to experience but have never been able to.
Pooch, I have lived half my life in the East and half in the West. Manitoba and Alberta to be exact. I live in the East (Ontario) now only to be close enough to be able to share custody of my boy with my ex. The moment he's an adult, I'm gone back West. They are two entirely different places with very different social attitudes.
You are quite right about the better "meshing" of the US NE with Ontario and the prairie provinces with the US states west of the Mississippi. I don't think anyone wants Quebec. LOL
Edit to add.... you have to get away from the Windsor to Quebec City corridor if you want to really enjoy Canada and Canadians.
....Craig, as you know from his many posts over the years....
No big deal cback. I'm just testing a strategy. I figure if I can work enough repetition into the 'conversation', it'll become fact. Next one I'll work on, he wears sheer kilts only, January thru March. Can I interest anyone in a caliphate on the streets of london?
I have heard some really sophomoric rants from "Quebecians", but have also had a very dear friend from Quebec. One must be careful painting with a broad brush.
In spite of what I say I do like Canada, but I have frozen my ass off up there. One of the things I don't understand is why Canadians essentially close down Niagara Falls in January. I think the falls are the most beautiful when the ice and snow is every where
I believe Canadians generally think differently from Americans, James.They certainly act more tolerantly of others. And I'm the guy who offers near-apologia here for how the US is turning: a majority of Americans voted against what the president-elect is proposing. I praise a majority who voted from their hearts and not their pockets nor pie-in-the-sky.
Living in Canada's industrial heartland and financial centre, you as businessman and entrepreneur, we both know Canada has more skin in the game than most countries, with $2-billion daily crossing the border every day in trade, their best customer, neighbour and constant ally (except flat no to what became the Iraq tragedy).
We are friends with different notions of governance who may have shared similar sentiments on grounds of not Canadian values when your party veered toward race-baiting to save itself during the federal election a year ago. The current front runners for your party leadership are sailing close to that repudiated line. You back Trumpism; I do not.
Although you were right and I was wrong in predicting his ascension, I am clearly on the side of a majority of Americans who want something different than they're getting for their country. Bit of a stretch to put anti-American resentment on that, James.
If you get a chance, Newfoundland and Labrador is worth a serious look. The people generally are unlike other Canadians, stronger instincts for home and community, smart as hell culturally, literature especially, the arts---and the landscapes unlike anything else in Canada. Our Chris Dawe, currently beating off quail in Arizona, is another Newfoundland treasure, lives a few miles outside capital of St. John's. I once asked the chancellor of McGill University in Montreal, Cyril James, who he thought were the smartest Canadians. He demurred, said it was impossible to say. Well, guess, I said. He said Newfoundlanders. Why? I don't know, he said, it may be their schools or we get the best of them. From my experience from outports to premier offices, they're at the top of the heap.
Seal meat, mmm? Ever tried it? I lived with Inuit on an island in the Beaufort Sea in western Arctic for a couple weeks. Muktuk was a delicacy, blubber in condensed milk covered with cranberries. Couldn't get it down. Seal flippers, inedible, the smell almost impossible to get rid of. The Inuit were gracious in assigning me to a tent with two sleeping places on the ground separated by a stove, and a handsome woman called Kloona to look after full-time needs. (A born-Baptist boy couldn't do anything wrong!)
If you get a chance, Newfoundland and Labrador is worth a serious look. The people generally are unlike other Canadians, stronger instincts for home and community, smart as hell culturally, literature especially, the arts....
Don't forget to mention that because of the all importance of the 'popular' vote, they'll never be able to determine their own circumstances and future. The big cities will impose the power of multiculturalism on the fractured and voiceless rural struggler, I mean welcome them into the big tent.
I have heard some really sophomoric rants from "Quebecians", but have also had a very dear friend from Quebec. One must be careful painting with a broad brush.
In spite of what I say I do like Canada, but I have frozen my ass off up there. One of the things I don't understand is why Canadians essentially close down Niagara Falls in January. I think the falls are the most beautiful when the ice and snow is every where
Pooch, I find myself in the same position, but not just with Quebeckers. While I can generalize with the best of them, in my personal life, I try to judge each man on his own merits and I am a bit oblivious to colour or creed. I find when I do that I'm less likely to be wrong about THAT man.
As far as Niagara goes, it's a tourist town and they are just responding to demand. I used to travel there about 4 times a year to see some clients....every time I'd go look at the Falls, especially in winter. Find myself awed every time. Besides, it's nicer when the crowds aren't there.
The Falls are a bit like when I lived in Banff for 3 1/2 years. Absolutely delighted to walk out my door each day, winter or summer and see the magnificent beauty of where I was living. It NEVER got old for me and neither do the Falls!
I think you know that the British colony of Newfoundland considered joining the United States or Canada, decided for latter March 31, 1949---not without great reluctance of a proud people embracing the "wolf" Canada.
It has been sovereign in protecting its own interests including those of large communities of Innu and Inuit, and significantly and collectively made huge sacrifices to the national interest in the Canadian value of resource-sharing.
Its Churchill Falls and Muskrat Falls, now coming on line, keeps north-east US snug, warm and lights burning with clean energy, without a thought of anyone imposing decisions on Newfoundland, multiculturally or otherwise.
Newfoundlanders buttle to no one, including the Seven Sisters who tried mightily.
I understand the hockey and wanting to stay indoors and drink beer, but seal meat? I've eaten snakes, tree bark and even a skunk. Only thing of value I have learned from that experience is to be careful what I order in a chinese restaurant.
But seal meat; how does it compare to a Whooping Crane?
The whining pouting crybaby fraud Little King Brown keeps clinging to the popular vote total. But all that proves is his complete lack of understanding and accepting the rules of the U.S. Election process. If it went the other way, he and Liberal democrats would be lecturing us about being sore losers who wish to change the rules after the fact. Does everyone here recall the hue and cry about Donald Trump actually having the nerve to question the integrity of the final ballot during the last Presidential Debate. The same people who are complaining the loudest now are the ones who said Trump's statement during the debate disqualified him as a serious contender for office.
If popular vote was the sole determining factor, the candidates would have naturally used an entirely different strategy during the campaign, They would have spent their time and money in population centers where they thought they could get the most voters to come out and cast a ballot for them on election day. Instead, they concentrated on the so-called battleground states and pretty much ignored those places that were going to be an almost certain Electoral Vote loss. Trump was astute enough to get more than enough Electoral College votes to win easily. And he did it without spending anything close to what Hillary spent in her campaign of smearing and attempting to get the voters to ignore her many flaws.
Little King still has not shown us where Putin lied about Hillary, which is in stark contrast to Little King's total lies he made about Trump. So who is the sleazy one there?
If there was no Electoral College, it is safe to say that the outcome would have been no different because there is ample evidence that Little King's precious Liberal Left Socialism is on the downswing. We see it in every other branch of government from the Federal to the State and Local level. And it isn't just here in the U.S. that the masses are finally responding to the many failures of Socialism. Check the Oct. 3, 2016 TIME MAGAZINE article, "Europe Swings Right", pg. 30. Here's a link for crybaby Little King. The only wine he has been producing is made from sour grapes and is diluted with his tears.
Oh yeah, I noticed that Rocky Mtn Bill slipped out the back door once again, after getting caught in more of his Libtard lies and bullshit. I was really hoping he'd take my offer of a bet over his cowardly and false accusation that I was lying about proper lubrication for an MMC Checkering tool. When I said I wanted to make a substantial wager, I was thinking enough money to hurt him financially, and maybe a few guns to boot. But it's hard to show courage of convictions when you are sneaking out the back door with your tail between your legs. Right Billy?
I have heard some really sophomoric rants from "Quebecians", but have also had a very dear friend from Quebec. One must be careful painting with a broad brush.
In spite of what I say I do like Canada, but I have frozen my ass off up there. One of the things I don't understand is why Canadians essentially close down Niagara Falls in January. I think the falls are the most beautiful when the ice and snow is every where
Pooch, I find myself in the same position, but not just with Quebeckers. While I can generalize with the best of them, in my personal life, I try to judge each man on his own merits and I am a bit oblivious to colour or creed. I find when I do that I'm less likely to be wrong about THAT man.
As far as Niagara goes, it's a tourist town and they are just responding to demand. I used to travel there about 4 times a year to see some clients....every time I'd go look at the Falls, especially in winter. Find myself awed every time. Besides, it's nicer when the crowds aren't there.
The Falls are a bit like when I lived in Banff for 3 1/2 years. Absolutely delighted to walk out my door each day, winter or summer and see the magnificent beauty of where I was living. It NEVER got old for me and neither do the Falls!
I've heard wonderful things about Banff from everyone who has been there. It is definitely on my bucket list, but don't know if I'm going be able to pull it off.
There is a commercial about running a Land Rover down the Inferno ski run. The inference is it takes a mighty car to make that run. The Inferno starts in Murren Switzerland on the Shilthorn across from from the north face of the Yungfrau and runs to Kleine Scheidegg at the base of the Eiger. I love that Inferno and it's a shame to call that run the Inferno, though it's not a run for everybody, it's not that tough and if you have skied Banff it should be no problem. What is special about it is it has to be the most beautiful run in the world. It is the scenery more then slope that makes it so very spectacular and world famous.
Not even as an opener, craig. We've been there, done that. I'm settling down like Jim in Arizona to anticipate the biggest shew on earth, a cast way bigger and more bizarre than the mopheads. Ask Ed Sullivan.
I believe Canadians generally think differently from Americans, James.They certainly act more tolerantly of others. And I'm the guy who offers near-apologia here for how the US is turning: a majority of Americans voted against what the president-elect is proposing. I praise a majority who voted from their hearts and not their pockets nor pie-in-the-sky.
Living in Canada's industrial heartland and financial centre, you as businessman and entrepreneur, we both know Canada has more skin in the game than most countries, with $2-billion daily crossing the border every day in trade, their best customer, neighbour and constant ally (except flat no to what became the Iraq tragedy).
We are friends with different notions of governance who may have shared similar sentiments on grounds of not Canadian values when your party veered toward race-baiting to save itself during the federal election a year ago. The current front runners for your party leadership are sailing close to that repudiated line. You back Trumpism; I do not.
Although you were right and I was wrong in predicting his ascension, I am clearly on the side of a majority of Americans who want something different than they're getting for their country. Bit of a stretch to put anti-American resentment on that, James.
King there are a number of thoughts here so forgive me if i don't get to them all.
I was appalled by the mean spirited, secretive and vision-less incarnation of the Harper government in it's last several years. Rudderless and controlled by know nothing 20-somethings in the PMO. Harper should have either stepped up and led or should have resigned two years earlier.
However, and it's a big however, his careful stewardship of our finances and economy right up to the end were enough for me to continue to support him. Because Trudeau and his sunny ways are spending my grandchildren's' money without a care in the world, just like his father did. Trudeau is full of it.....just another politician....and swing voters from either the left or right who decided to vote for him based on his vow to "do politics different" are finding out what an incompetent fraud he is.
Much like America is a big country with diverse viewpoints, so is Canada. Our population may be much smaller but we are still driven by our regional interests and experiences. You and I included. I have little interest in being part of a country where one of the most populous provinces votes in a corrupt and incompetent government time and again.
I used to be able to say that and everyone would know I was speaking of Quebec. Sadly, it now applies to Ontario as well. We are that much further ahead of the Americans on the "dependent on the government" vote and that's a sad thing. What made my nation great is going away, replaced by the personal greed, jealousy and laziness of the typical socialist dependent. It is ironic to me that the rugged individualism you wistfully write about with regard to Newfoundlanders or those Nova Scotians from your youth, is being lost precisely because of people like you and the policies you advocate for and support.
I truly think people should be voting with an eye to both their pocketbooks AND pie in the sky. But their hearts? Nope! Don't vote with that. A careful management of my money combined with big dreams we can aspire to. You, on the other hand, would have us take an ever increasing amount of hard earned money from an ever decreasing segment of the population and increasingly give it to those who feel it's the state's responsibility to look after them. I think of those people as thieves.
Race baiting? Canadian values? It's not the Canada I grew up in, that my father and uncles and aunts and grandparents fought on behalf of, to support or excuse honour killings and the subjugation of women under the cover of religious beliefs. We never had a national debate about multiculturalism. It was imposed on us. We have been tricked into accepting a Supreme Court that constitutionally now sets out our laws. And it is populated by radicals. As the designers of our constitution, Trudeau and Lalonde, wanted.
I actually back parliamentary democracy for our country, not the current hash Trudeau made of it. I back the voice of the citizens being heard, not the volume being turned down by the elites while they tell us how to behave.
My party, during the previous government, actually tried to do something to fix the abhorrent Indian Act, an act that keeps 600 plus reservations effectively under mob rule with our money while those with their hands deepest in the till, the chiefs and their families, lobby against any change that truly benefits their people. The Liberals immediately rolled it back. Saying my party veered into race baiting is much like the Democrats talking about how they freed the slaves and fought against the KKK. You can say it (and the media does) but it's not true.
I could go on but I don't want to bore my American friends anymore than I have. But in keeping with the original topic of this thread, what we are seeing elsewhere, with Brexit, with Trump, in other countries in Europe and coming to Canada soon, is a realization that the current leadership has been narrow minded and self interested and has presided over the diminishment of those countries, not their betterment.
Despite Obama's rhetoric in 2006-2008 the country he currently presides over is a diminished country and as President he has to wear that.
James, thank you for your message. We think similarly, I think, of the important things of our country. I appreciated particularly how you described the dissolving phantasmagoria of our Indian tragedy for our American friends. Canada negotiates daily with 600 hundred of our indigenous First Nations---government to government, one-on-one with some bands representing only hundreds led by chiefs taking higher salaries than the prime minister and US president, no oversight of how very significant public monies are spent or leadership responsibilities to their peoples.
It just goes to show you the depth of his depraved ideology that he considers his major failure to be that he was unable to deprive his fellow citizens of their Constitutional Rights.
Well stated! I can't wait till Jan 20 to have him out of the chain of command.
One of the shames of the US is our Press. They have gone crazy far left and are actually making up news now. One of the things about the polling that no body brings up is I feel that since the press continually lies to me why should I tell the truth to them. I believe I'm not alone with this attitude. I grew up in Venezuela. Radio Moscow effectively jammed Voice of America and the BBC. So unless we got a weird bounce from some local station in the US we had to listen to Radio Moscow. Their propaganda was just ridicules and easy to see through. Damn, now our media is worse then the old Radio Moscow. It's embarrassing.
Pooch, it's shocking to me how much the media has abandoned it's more noble goals of providing the truth to the public and is now in bed as advocates for a certain side. Both Canada and the US suffer badly as a result.
Looks like President Obama and Hanoi John Kerry have signed the UN gun control treaty and submitted it to the Senate. No chance of ratification, but what's up with that?...Geo
US media post-election mea culpas of poor journalism contributing to Trump's victory indicates strongly it will bore down on US political coverage as never before.
As for truth and noble causes, whoa: journalism is a business like any other, owned by the very wealthy who want to influence national and world affairs to their liking..
However maliciously or benignly intended, the US or Canada couldn't use the word exceptionalism without responsible journalism. Count our blessings.
Looks like President Obama and Hanoi John Kerry have signed the UN gun control treaty and submitted it to the Senate. No chance of ratification, but what's up with that?...Geo
Geo, that's exceptional. We should just ask him, but 'responsible journalism' must help create the illusion of a legacy. I'm pretty sure by this afternoon, he'll be the toughest prez. on the russians since WWII.
....As for truth and noble causes, whoa: journalism is a business like any other, owned by the very wealthy who want to influence national and world affairs to their liking....
You know, I always thought of the russians as journalists. No wonder bo has been able to confide in them, after his last election. No leaky mail there, right from his mouth to put'ins messenger lackey.
Looks like President Obama and Hanoi John Kerry have signed the UN gun control treaty and submitted it to the Senate. No chance of ratification, but what's up with that?...Geo
Geo, that's exceptional. We should just ask him, but 'responsible journalism' must help create the illusion of a legacy. I'm pretty sure by this afternoon, he'll be the toughest prez. on the russians since WWII.
This is the last desperate effort of a failed president to be able to say he instituted "gun control". As I pointed out in my opening post to this thread Obama freely admits failure in reaching that goal. The senate won't ratify this of course and President Trump will probably rescind our signature to the U N bill but that doesn't matter to the most worthless person to ever occupy the White House. Jim
Investigated a little. Once a duly signed treaty has been submitted to the Senate it becomes enforceable until voted on or removed by a president. Maybe look for some final executive orders creating new laws/regulations under the force of the treaty...Geo
H.L Mencken was an elitist, racist journalist who saw no worth in people of colour and Jews. Like so much of a complicated world, he was also a great American journalist, writer, satirist who made this prophesy in the Baltimore Sun in 1920:
"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
....the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
For Mencken, he or she could only be white
There's the ole media disconnect again, mor on that later. For the American people, he could only be..... Now King, don't let your brain take you places that your feelings say you shouldn't go.
for Mencken a black person or jew would be the ultimate narcissistic moron and downright fool and because of being so misguided, that person couldn't be white
As for truth and noble causes, whoa: journalism is a business like any other, owned by the very wealthy who want to influence national and world affairs to their liking..
Really King? Who is the very wealthy guy who owns the CBC and commands his journalists to bail on accurate reporting in favour of eyeball catching half truths and misinformation?
I said for Mencken, not the American people, craig. Americans declared for a seriously flawed woman over the other, in the same way they twice preferred a man of colour over the other nominee.
LR, it was the corporate ownership by Rogers of TSN that was the entity that tried to can Ron McLean, after CBC lost the rights for hockey to Rogers/TSN.
Rogers/TSN have made a mess of it by dumping McLean and hiring hipster dude George "Strombo" Stroumboulopoulos, a former VJ and all around CBC golden boy idiot to lead the broadcast. Disaster on par with New Coke.
The Democrats stamp their little feet and huff and puff that they would never, ever tolerate anti-Semitism of any sort.
Once again, they are suffering a convenient memory loss.
Have they ever heard of Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, the father of the late president? Or, for that matter, another of Joe’s sons, the late Sen. Robert F. Kennedy?
Bobby Kennedy, by the way, was appointed attorney general by his brother at the age of 34, with next to no experience. Bobby’s brother, the president, was embarrassed by the obvious nepotism, but their father had ordered Jack to do it. And even as president-elect, JFK took orders from his father, the most notorious anti-Semite in American political history.
The Kennedys are – or should – be an embarrassment to the Democrat party for many reasons, most of which involve the old admonition that parties that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Finally, the question of anti-Semitism, much on the minds of shocked Democrats these days, or so they claim. Joe Kennedy, the family patriarch, set the pace for the rest of his family to follow, but he affectionately described his third son Bobby as a “hater” as well.
Bobby detested gays as well as Jews. He made endless jokes about J. Edgar Hoover, the gay FBI director. Told that Hoover’s gay lover Clyde Tolson was having minor surgery, Bobby quipped, “What, a hysterectomy?”
Bobby also used to joke that ambitious G-men often named their new sons “Edgar.” If an agent’s wife gave birth to a daughter, Bobby said, the agent would name her “Clyde.”
At a party before the March on Washington in 1963, Bobby asked a white woman of his acquaintance why she wanted to march with a “black queer” – referring to Dr. Martin Luther King’s top aide, Bayard Rustin.
In 1962, before his brother’s famous 46th birthday party at Madison Square Garden, Bobby called the head of 20th Century Fox to ask permission for Marilyn Monroe, the girlfriend of both brothers, to leave the set of her new movie to fly east to croon “Happy Birthday” to the president. When the mogul balked, citing the fact that the picture was already behind schedule, Bobby began screaming, calling him a “Jew bastard.”
Another time in the White House, attorney general Bobby ran into Dr. Max Jacobson, a/k/a “Dr. Feelgood,” whose drug cocktails both JFK and First Lady Jackie had become seriously addicted to. Jacobson, who was Jewish, was making a delivery of his dangerous contraband with another Jewish friend when Bobby spotted them.
“Get out of here and go back to New York, you kikes!” RFK bellowed, according to Dr. Feelgood’s biographer.
During the 1960 primary in Wisconsin, Bobby became so angry at a Jewish CBS radio reporter that, in front of a number of witnesses, he loudly heckled him as a “Stevenson Jew,” as in Adlai Stevenson.
Joe Kennedy built the family fortune in a myriad of speculative enterprises, some legal, others not so much. To avoid the higher tax burdens of New York and Massachusetts, he mostly lived in Palm Beach, where until the 1960s blacks were forbidden by law to own property.
He was not a nice person, to put it mildly, but Joe particularly despised Jews.
“As a race they stink,” he told one of his aides while serving as FDR’s ambassador to the Court of St. James before World War II.
Many of Joe’s most rabid anti-Semitic (and anti-black) rants are included in a 2001 compilation of his letters and diaries edited by his own granddaughter, Amanda Smith.
In the book, “Hostage to Fortune: The Letters of Joseph P. Kennedy,” he referred to then-Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter as a “Jew chiseler.” Kennedy believed Jews controlled both the New Deal and the media, and were blocking his path to national office. On page after page of his diary, he obsessively listed the Jewish ties of FDR’s top aides:
“A Jew wife and 2 Jew children… a Jew wife… a Jew… a Jew mother… wife was a Jew… wife is a Jew… all Jews….”
Racism? How about President John F. Kennedy’s consorting – and partying with — some of the worst political racists of the 20th century, including his best friend in Congress, Sen. George Smathers, a charter member of JFK’s pussy posse?
Then there was JFK’s alliance with Gov. John Patterson of Alabama, who in 1958 ran to the segregationist right of George Wallace, and won. (Afterwards, Wallace vowed that he would never be “outniggered” again. He wasn’t. Rep. Keith Ellison, the potential next DNC chair, has claimed on TV that Wallace was a Republican. He wasn’t.)
Patterson was such an unrepentant racist that Jackie Robinson, who broke the color barrier in major league baseball, endorsed Richard M. Nixon in 1960. Robinson was subsequently shunned in polite society. The more things change….
Sexism? For decades the Kennedys have been targeting women. Their behavior would indicate that even if women have a right to choose whether or not to have abortions, the Kennedy men believe their dates have no such right to decide whether or not they want to have sex with them.
Then there’s religious bigotry. In 1994, Sen. Ted Kennedy was challenged for reelection by Mitt Romney. The Kennedys, chiefly then-Cong. Joseph P. Kennedy II, crippler of a young woman on Nantucket in 1973, unleashed a torrent of anti-Mormon vitriol against Romney.
The attacks were so vicious, and so false, that even the Kennedy family house organ, the Boston Globe, as well as the Archdiocese of Boston’s newspaper, demanded that the Kennedys cease and desist.
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville (1805–1859)
"This year (1935) will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
- Adolf Hitler
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
- Benjamin Franklin
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidateswho promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship”
- Alexander Tytler 1787
"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence."
- Charles Austin Beard (1874-1948)
"Only an armed people can be truly free. Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved."
Once it was me, not wealthy but doing my job. The CBC reports to parliament as a national public broadcasting system. When Kennedy cleared the US networks at the height of the missile crisis, from Toronto network news headquarters I told CBC management we were clearing our network for his address.
As you and Americans know, our prime minister Diefenbaker and Kennedy hated each other, couldn't abide being in each other's presence. CBC Ottawa, at the time in an executive interregnum of sycophants, said to follow orders, no clearance. I said it had to be carried, no ifs, buts or whys.
CBC Ottawa said Kennedy might be just announcing a bond drive. I complied to higher authority, allowing an egregious breach of partisan politics into the publicly owned system, and added "But you're going to read about what you've done at 9 (o'clock) in the (Toronto) Star's bulldog edition."
Ottawa caved; it would have been a scandal of epic proportions. Another 15 CBC journalists including myself---Minifie, Nash, Burke, Gould, Cameron, Cunningham etc--- were unable to get CBC to remove an incompetent, lying news manager. We hired a lawyer out of Dean Acheson's firm in Washington.
We let the feisty, red-haired Irishman named Kelly do all the talking as we sat around the "Kremlin's" boardroom on Jarvis street. The CBC brass was forced to back down to maintain the news system's and parliament's integrity. The brass then invited us to a "little party" at the Westbury.
We were thanked profusely for taking action. "Hard as we tried, we couldn't get rid of him. You know how it is, management must always protect its own." I am not aware of a single incident where the CBC commanded its news people to bail on anything, except the command above, stopped immediately.
The CBC is one of the most respected media organizations in the world. I was with it from its television beginnings to the late 60s. No US network comes even close---maybe CBS under Fred Friendly when it told Washington to shove it when he was asked to fire Canadian Morley Safer for his Vietnam reporting.
King, you have reminded me of some old names and places. In the early and middle 1980's my back yard looked at the back of the "Kremlin". LOL
But I of course, in my earlier comment, wasn't looking for the names of long ago newsmen who took their jobs seriously, yourself included. I was looking for the name of the current man or woman who dictates the course for this current abomination of a news gathering and dissemination organization.
Of course, there isn't one. And it's poor quality can't be blamed on the Conservatives....everyone at the current CBC did their best to destroy the Conservatives. It clearly was no organ of the state.
My point being that it's a fallacy to blame the current sorry state of main stream media news gathering and broadcast skills on the mogul who owns the organization. In Canada, we had the example of Conrad Black, a conservative media mogul if ever there was one, being lamented when he lost control of the Post to the Aspers, by the very leftist journalist he hired. Why? Because he expected and demanded quality work and writing and created the sort of newsroom they all were dying to work in.
The sorry state of our media is a direct result of the leftists ownership (NY Times, Washington Post, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star etc. THE LIST IS EXTENSIVE) and employees who abandoned objectivity in favour of pushing their own agenda.
Edit to add....your last paragraph...you are out of the loop. The CBC TV news organization is a joke by any standard. It may once have been respected but is no longer.
What was 40 years ago is most likely no longer true today.
"What was 40 years ago is most likely no longer true today."
This is absolutely true, on the word to me by Craig Oliver with CBC or CTV nearly 20 years ago, inveigling me to come back to put some fun in the newsroom.
"You wouldn't believe what it's like now," he said. "The newsroom is quiet as a morgue, everyone in a tie and three-piece suit carrying a brief case." I always had a case of Molson's Blue or bottle of pinch in my typewriter well.
For all that, I'm impressed with some of these kids coming out of journalism school. I'm miles apart from Conrad Black but think he's the right stuff as writer and newspaperman. His Rise to Greatness, History of Canada is truly great.
...."You wouldn't believe what it's like now," he said. "The newsroom is quiet as a morgue....
....For all that, I'm impressed with some of these kids coming out of journalism school....
Ratings'll do that every time.
Today, prez obama now claims he told the russians to 'cut it out' back in September. Ever since that stern warning, the email hacks stopped. Do you know of an young 'journalist' that would just ask him why he led a post election talking point attack, in December?
Do you think the russians are shaking in their boots, or is he more concerned with promoting his upcoming lecture tour? Is he trying to drum up a new legacy, because that hill coat tails thing didn't turn out too well?
Hey, journalist, hmmm, the same kind of 'ist' as racist, misogynist, golfist? Wouldn't a smart young journalist corner bo with a few tough questions to position themselves as an insider with the incoming admin.? The whole world is watching, imaging being able to 'leak' a tweet.
He gave me a set of encyclopedias..You guys should check out Guilfoyle tonite...ZOWEE...Arent most of these guys you all are nattering about DEAD? Get a double gun, get in the field, if you remember where that is...
Back to Obama. What is fascinating is how Obama is portraying all the dismal failures of his reign as successes. For him to cite the economy, job creation, unemployment, and Obamacare as somehow successes clearly shows the complete detachment of Obama and the Democrats to the actual reality of America. At least Jimmy Carter was somewhat honest.
Clinton's campaign reflected this, and the fact that the only real issues she ran on were free college and taxing the rich. it's no surprise she lost, and entirely predictable she's blaming everything but her position on issues.
I think she's creeping back on the radar because of perceived strength in numbers. The fellow that's leading the various vast right wing conspiracy theories probably has her get out of jail free card signed and waiting on his desk.
Obama wants a legacy badly and considering he threw the grand mother that raised him under the bus. I can't see him jeopardizing his legacy for Hillary unless she really something on him.
There's huge leap from "regretting not being able to pass ANY strengthened gun control measure ", which is what I think he said, and regretting not gutting the second amendment. Right wing hysteria that lingers every time another mass murder with guns occurs has definitely played directly into the hands of the firearm industry, and they've taken it to the bank at everybody's expense. There has always been "a line" between what is legal for the private citizen to possess and what is not. Years after Reagan was shot and multiple mass murders occurred with military style assault weapons, the country moved that line with the Asault Weapons Ban, endorsed by Former Presidents Carter, Ford, and Reagan, and 77 % of Americans, in 1994. When the bill sunsetted in 2004, the firearms industry has made every effort to blur any possibility of redrawing that line by producing assault weapons in multiple standard hunting calibers and "hunting" platforms. Ask any law enforcement officer anywhere whether he'd like the general public to possess assault weapons? We can't legally have grenades,RPG's yada, yada, yada , do we really need a military style assault weapon to protect our families, or shoot a coyote killing our chickens? I understand there's no way to put the rabbit back in the hat, count my handful of old doubles and rifles as family heirlooms, and cherish the privilege of carrying them afield on public lands, and have for over 40 years, but this country has gone a little nuts over all this, in my opinion. Good hunting, and hope you all have a great holiday season!
Hey ajjar, could you please tell us what is responsible for the deaths of more Americans... blunt instruments, hands and fists, or so-called assault style rifles?
Thanks for attempt to propagate false statistics on the number of Americans who want those semi-automatic rifles banned. The 77% obviously wasn't true then, and the 90% figure that was bandied about during this past election cycle isn't true now. If it was, anti-gun politicians would be winning big, and running on their actual beliefs instead of always attempting to persuade voters that they are pro-2nd Amendment and only want some "sensible" or "common sense" restrictions on criminals. Strangely, however, those "sensible restrictions" always seem to burden and infringe upon the rights of law abiding citizens more than they hurt the criminals. The windfall the firearms industry experienced was not due to any deceptive marketing on their part. The public demanded their product because they saw the actual threats that were being put forth by anti-gunners like the Clinton's and Barack Hussein Obama. While you are digging for more false statistics and data, maybe you should take a gander at the Haynes vs. the U.S. Supreme Court ruling which held that convicted criminals are not required to incriminate themselves by complying with any sort of gun registration or legal transfer scheme that would flag them as being in violation of federal and state laws.
Take your bullshit somewhere else. It ain't going to fly here. But you do sound a lot like King Brown posting under a pseudonym... Did you happen to have a very abbreviated career as a field reporter for the CBC, and a false sense of your importance and influence?
....yada, yada , do we really need a military style assault weapon....
I would think it depends on the definition of assault. Does a gun have an appearance that a person doesn't care for, or does it compel someone to storm a building. Another thought to keep in mind is the next fellow might have a different idea of what an heirloom is and not be too worried about coyote hunting. The law can be black and white, and fine lines don't have to be created unless someone feels a need to.
By it's true definition an "Assault Rifle" is a fully automatic weapon, already a weapon with restricted ownership. Other fallacies are the large capacity magazine issue, (I assure you, smaller mags can be changed very quickly) and the mythological "Gunshow Loophole". At least these are issues we shouldn't have to worry about for quite a while, possibly generations.
We may now even start to address the societal issues that actually cause gun violence.
Hey Guys: Why waste your time on a Libtard troll who is just here to try and cause trouble. I have already put him on my ignore list. BTW Dave W. All I want for Christmas is all the Libtard trolls banned from this forum! If others feel this way please chime in. Jim
Maybe you should have everybody that doesn't subscribe to your ideology thrown in jail?
Oh wait.....that's been done before.
Geez, at least let Fidel's corpse cool off and start to rot before you besmirch him here. Easy to get the thrown in jail part down when the populace is unarmed, right?
President Obama is on this grand tour telling everyone "yes I was great - my presidency was great - it really was." When I see Obama's face I see someone that appears to be lost, bewildered and hurting. It's a look in someone's face that has been blindfolded, spun around and left standing in the middle of the woods. Totally lost.
I feel what you are saying. The little boy Barry who was used & discarded would do better with our prayer than our condemnation. No matter what, the puppet does not pull its own strings. O.M
You guys make Chicken Little look calm, and Remington thanks you for it. Now where's the closest Starbucks? I must stop by on the way to a brunch for Hil'.
Obama obviously does not consider himself a failure. And, according to his Marxist-Leninist religious ideology, he is not.
The term "failure" is obviously subjective, and is determined by ideological morality. Let's look at his successes, according to his totalitarian religious beliefs.
Economic destruction of the Private Sector. This he accomplished, our economy has stagnated, (at best, in reality, due to GDP formula changes its arguable we're still in Recession) forcing millions who were in the Middle Class out of work and into government dependency programs designed to buy their votes. Including Obamacare. This is Cloward & Piven Doctrine, who were constant visitors to the Clinton White House. Disability recipient numbers have also exploded, another form of dependency. High taxes and oppressive regulations have caused this, notably the regulations imposed on businesses based on the religious mythology of CO2 emissions from the religion of Anthropogenic Climate Change.
Foreign policy successes are judged according to Soviet indoctrinated ideology, weakening America world wide, causing abandonment of our allies, supporting our adversaries, and starving the military of the funds necessary to project power in defense of our allies.
Culturally, Obama created massive disruption, again following Soviet ideology, setting Americans against one another by declaring whole segments of society to be Oppressed Victims, collectively entitled to the Freedom of their fellow Americans.
Eliminating the border. This has one purpose. The importation of another entitled, government dependent voting block, insuring Democrat political power for generations.
All this has been successful, his only real failure has been Gun Control.
Now, we'll have to see how much of this Marxist-Leninist, sociopathic, unconstitutional religious oppression can be reversed.
You guys make Chicken Little look calm, and Remington thanks you for it. Now where's the closest Starbucks? I must stop by on the way to a brunch for Hil'.
The current prez thanks you for your service. You can download an appreciation certificate on michelfosenate.foundation, for a nominal investment. While she won't be there, send hill our best wishes and a happy holidays. You know, chin up and march on with the therapy. Don't mention you didn't vote, her pharmacist highly recommends against it.
Ken, why step-down from your previous Trump fixing to your liking for generations but now we'll have to see if this (same-old) can be reversed, please?
It surprises you appeared to believe change comes quickly; looking back at least 50 years change has been incremental.
The US and EU have been changing the last two or three decades from making things to making money, foreign affairs and economics notwithstanding.
There's been hollowing out of public discourse i.e. Jim asking our host to ban members who don't think as he does. Gratefully, the silent majority isn't chiming in.
Similarly, we may agree that your notion of reversing will be a serious test of the strength of your institutions and democracy, as will Brexit and EU.
Easy there, King. Jim took the time out of his busy day selling Hatchimals on eBay for 10x their normal price to make that post
Lonesome knows more stuff than I do. Had to look up "hatchimals". I figured it might be something gun related Jim was selling. Nope, and not quite up to "Fantods" IMHO...Geo
....now we'll have to see if this (same-old) can be reversed, please?
It surprises you appeared to believe change comes quickly; looking back at least 50 years change has been incremental.
The US and EU have been changing the last two or three decades....
In case you may have forgotten, during the current prez' first two years he had the benefit of a progressive dem congress. You may recall, those were the days that you used to sing the praises of the will of the people. Well, then and when exec orders flowed like hope in a soup line.
When the current prez not only plunged the nation into despair, but lost his own party's majority in congress, on a dime you turned to the new talking point of the mythical 'do nothing' congress. History shows us that hope-n-change may or may not happen very quickly.
It's highly insensitive to refer to the Bush years, previously known as the last eight years, as the now last 20 to fifty years. Thanks to the do nothing congress, the only work to do is on ocare and filling the courts, the rest is waiving good by to the hundreds of thousands of pages of selfishness. Golf before work doesn't leave much of a legacy, eh?
A couple questions for Ken61: Can you please explain what makes Obama a Marxist- Leninist? I can see reasons someone might disagree with him or examples where he has fallen short of fixing all our problems, but a Communist??? Forced millions out of work??? Please support these claims with some data. Thanks.
A couple questions for Ken61: Can you please explain what makes Obama a Marxist- Leninist? I can see reasons someone might disagree with him or examples where he has fallen short of fixing all our problems, but a Communist??? Forced millions out of work??? Please support these claims with some data. Thanks.
Who are you to question anyone Liar Bill? Do you think we have forgotten the lies you posted here several days ago about the Republican party? You never answered those questions I posed about which Party did more for passing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, or the 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote. Instead you acted like the dishonest coward you are and tried to accuse me of lying about correct lubrication for an MMC checkering tool. What a sorry dickhead you are. And tell us Liar Bill, has the incompetent retired public school English teacher learned to spell "skeptics" yet?
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Thanks, Ken. I think I do understand how many,many people have been ignored, shut out, abandoned, and made obsolete by the forces that operate the world. I also think it's a failure on the part of both parties though I'm inclined to give more blame to the Democrats. They used to represent the underdog. The Republicans haven't done so since Lincoln. If Trump could make an effort now to heal the Great Divide, he could win some support from his sceptics.
It's funny how a thread that tells the truth about Obama bring out all of the Fudds and Libtards.
A couple questions for Ken61: Can you please explain what makes Obama a Marxist- Leninist? I can see reasons someone might disagree with him or examples where he has fallen short of fixing all our problems, but a Communist??? Forced millions out of work??? Please support these claims with some data. Thanks.
This pretty much describes it. Just in case to missed the High School (pre-Department of Education) classes on Communism. If you did, I'd be happy to recommend one or two thousand or so books.
What do you think is the ideological basis for the leadership of the Democrat party? None of them is smart enough to come up with all their crap by themselves.
I said from the beginning here that politics is a punk's game, remember? I wouldn't discourage those who wanted to try it nor denigrate their idealism but I learned from a lifetime in public affairs that with few exceptions one side was not significantly different from the other: elites disparaging or disdaining those who work with their hands, wealth and privilege always pulling the strings, and identity politics this time right out of the blocks : "I'm rich, look at me. "I'm very rich."
I made no reference to Bush's eight within context of incremental change over the last 50 years. It's all of a piece; one party not different from the other in trying to shore up your empire with globalization and foreign adventures that bludgeoned your finest, left rust belts, jobs shipped off to Asia, no middle class progress for 40 years, elites at top licking all the cream. There's nothing mythical about dysfunctional Congress nor Putin interference as trivial, as you claimed earlier.
The president didn't plunge the nation into despair. What did it was a continuum of unrepresentative governance looking almost solely after itself and publics pulling their hair said a pox on them all, off with their heads, let's start all over again. My faith hasn't changed in the least about "will of the people." A majority of Americans apparently saw Trump as a grease ball and voted against him. If that isn't will of the people, what is?
Your take on executive orders is interesting to say the least. In a democratic society the function of political leadership is to do what the people want, and the test of performance is winning at election time. Americans gave Obama a strong mandate twice to proceed with his promises and Republicans said no way, hence the pen. Trump will use it, too, when opposed by Democrats and his own party, as it is doing now. (OK, it's not really the GOP!)
....Forced millions out of work??? Please support these claims with some data. Thanks.
I'm not sure why you chose this particular point, but hasn't it been beaten into the ground?
Have you ever taken a look at what the gov, obama's, says is the labor participation rate? From '08, it looks like a 30* downhill grade. That represents the results of an ideology, and are millions of real citizens, forced off of the stats charts for the current prez to spin a happy face on misery that he has willfully created. Millions have been forced on to subsidized ocare and food stamps, see what that means in a collective sort of way?
I don't think you have been willing to discuss 'reasons someone might disagree with him', his governing policy. Can you provide data that Ken's list of 45 points is wrong? Or, because this admin has been so secretive about domestic social policy, does his actions and words easily conform to that list of 45 points?
The polls have been proven wrong quite a bit recently, but there is some conclusion that about 2/3's of the country has some dissatisfaction with their circumstances. You're lucky to be in that minority one third.
Americans never had to look overseas for their ideas, Ken. It had its Birchers and McCarthys spewing their poisons but Americans knew before they got to grade school the Golden Rule and 10 Commandments. Communism was never part of their morality and ethos. The big issues of citizenship and responsibility to others is innate and strong outside of public debate, bubbling up all over the world since Trump ascension. The Golden Rule and Christ's injunction to love are antithetical to what the man says, even with contradictory outbursts every day.
08 on is ideology driven, craig? He inherited a couple losing wars, remember? You know of the Great Recession and who caused it. Secretive of social policy? No country had it more in its face than during Obama's term. Part of Mitt's loss was the 48 per cent leeches and the breast-beating here of I made it and I'm keeping it, to hell with those slagged by offshore and globalization (which arrived before anyone was ready for it except the one per centers).
....I learned from a lifetime in public affairs that with few exceptions one side was not significantly different from the other....
....There's nothing mythical about dysfunctional Congress nor Putin interference as trivial, as you claimed earlier....
....A majority of Americans apparently saw Trump as a grease ball and voted against him. If that isn't will of the people, what is?....
King, I think you share because the divide hasn't been greater in quite some time. Isn't there at least a little difference between the sides? Why mention 'sides' at all unless you feel the need to distinguish the two?
Sure, congressional dysfunction is a myth. 'Do nothing' is huge, otherwise, we would have another bo appointment on the sup court. Apparently, you agree that reid lied on the floor of congress to help bork romney with the bs tax talking point. The second win is regularly referred to by you as a big part of bo's 'mandate'. Wouldn't that require the protection of a fully functional congress?
I still think that you mistake the 'will of the people' for the will of la county and nyc, there're a few other places. Take detroit for instance, in regards to the hill supported recount. At least 60% of the precincts show too many votes, but dem created state law may block recounting. Another voter fraud/ballot integrity breach that gets quietly brushed under the rug.
Why are you playing the punks game, is this one of the few exceptions? There's a ton of garbage under the ole dem rug, eh?
08 on is ideology driven, craig? He inherited a couple losing wars, remember? You know of the Great Recession and who caused it. Secretive of social policy? No country had it more in its face than during Obama's term. Part of Mitt's loss was the 48 per cent leeches and the breast-beating here of I made it and I'm keeping it, to hell with those slagged by offshore and globalization (which arrived before anyone was ready for it except the one per centers).
Easy King, we're all friends here. Mitt said 47. Hey, did you ever see the video of a live gaddafi getting dragged through the streets and beaten to death? Or, maybe that quagmire of a tv series about phony red lines? Thank goodness bo inherited a couple of losing wars, eh, otherwise he'd have no war at all.
Americans never had to look overseas for their ideas, Ken. It had its Birchers and McCarthys spewing their poisons but Americans knew before they got to grade school the Golden Rule and 10 Commandments. Communism was never part of their morality and ethos. The big issues of citizenship and responsibility to others is innate and strong outside of public debate, bubbling up all over the world since Trump ascension. The Golden Rule and Christ's injunction to love are antithetical to what the man says, even with contradictory outbursts every day.
Hmmm, I'd have to call that response Obfuscation and Pap, with a dose of Psychobabble thrown in.
The real Punks are the statist politicians who subvert the Constitution.
In case you haven't noticed, history has proven McCarthy and the John Birch Society to have been right. So called "poison" spewed by McCarthy pales in comparison to what Harry Reid has spouted.
Subversion of the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule has been the order of the day, replaced in the educational sysyem by the subjective morality of Communism, enabling a sociopathic political ruling class to confiscate freedom and award it to political supporters along the lines of a Marxist-Leninist concept of "Fairness".
Issues of citizenship and responsibility have attempted to be driven from American society, replaced by the statist concept of a "One World" citizenery, in a world dominated by statist totalitarians. Yes, with Trump's election, Americanism will be on the rise, and it's long overdue.
King, in a simplistic way, the Great Recession was caused by Clinton and his ideological drive to put unqualified blacks and others into home ownership.
These politicians who subvert the constitution. They've done that from the beginning, Ken. Americans never claimed it was constitutional in the home of the brave and free to deny basic human rights to anyone, particularly minorities of colour---but they did--- to the point the GOP now attracts strong support from white supremacists and muses forgetting minority votes may be the future.
I thought it had something to do with selling stuff the red-suspender boys couldn't explain themselves, and when they fell off the wall Obama had to fight to save them from themselves with Ken's money and actually turned a public profit when it was paid back.
I don't know about the unqualified blacks but I remember a California field labourer making subsistence getting north of $300, 000 loan for a home. Bad regulations did that and good regulations in Canada got us through top of the G8. Cowboy capitalism, and the money boys are still at it.
Remember Greenspan saying don't worry the Federal Reserve has all the levers to handle it? I do. God spoke. He admitted later God was wrong.
King, in a simplistic way, the Great Recession was caused by Clinton and his ideological drive to put unqualified blacks and others into home ownership.
You're are right Canvasback but actually it started with the CRA Act of 1977 passed during the Carter Administration. The Community Recovery Act was set in place to make it easier for low income people to get mortgages.(AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ACT WAS PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM ).The act was essentially dormant due to high interest rates until the Clinton Administration. That administration with a lot of socialist assistance from "Community Organizers"** cajoled and threatened the lending institutions with lawsuits if the didn't ease lending requirements. The result were "No Doc" and no down payment requirements to get a mortgage. Thousands of these mortgages were given out to totally unqualified buyers. Reality set in in 2007, AFTER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD WARNED CONGRESS TO NO AVAIL, and the defaults started leading to the mortgage meltdown. I could go into more detail here but this is the essence of what happened. ANOTHER EXPENSIVE SOCIALIST FAILURE THAT THE "democrats" OF COURSE WON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR. Jim
** The most well known Community Organizer was Obama.
Well, you're right about no war president like his predecessor, no carriers and high fives and 4,500 Americans not home with Christmas families this year.
These politicians who subvert the constitution. They've done that from the beginning, Ken. Americans never claimed it was constitutional in the home of the brave and free to deny basic human rights to anyone, particularly minorities of colour---but they did--- to the point the GOP now attracts strong support from white supremacists and muses forgetting minority votes may be the future.
How predictable. Sralin, in case you haven't noticed, slavery was abolished, America fought a Civil War over it. This is more of your sociopathic, anti-American, Soviet inspired demonization dogma. Since no one alive was either a slave or slaveowner, the point is irrelevant, and merely a part of your anti-American sociopathic bigotry.
Your second point was equally predictable, as well as sociopathic. To somehow equate Trump or his supporters to "White Supremacists" is psychopolitical nincompoopery to the extreme, but is very represenative of both your lack of intellectual objectivity and the depth of depravity of your ideological statist beliefs. Go ahead and parrot more commie false narratives, it's fairly amusing.
King, in a simplistic way, the Great Recession was caused by Clinton and his ideological drive to put unqualified blacks and others into home ownership.
There were over 5 Million NINJA loans made. No income, no job.
It wasn't all federal pressure that caused the unqualified lending to take place. Bankers, developers,and realtors got behind it for the profit involved.
I saw secondary market lending specialists in local banks making more money from commissions than the bank presidents. Developers moved property and the smart ones banked their profits. Realtors got their commissions for finding borrowers who were perfectly willing to live the good life for a while completely understanding they could not afford it and would be foreclosed.
The only limit was how deep the federal pocket was on loan guaranties. At that point the Wall Street bonus boys figured out a way to legally use these bum securities as an investment product. That's when the bubble finally burst...Geo
It wasn't all federal pressure that caused the unqualified lending to take place....
....The only limit was how deep the federal pocket was on loan guaranties....
Weird how that works. If you don't have much luck with the scope rings, maybe inquire at texas-mac dot etc. It's not quite his thing, but he may have ideas.
Geo Newberm: The additional information you provided above was correct and let me add that the abuse on the consumer side was equally bad. Point: A bunch of "people" would get together and one of them would buy a new house $300K no doc - no money down. They'd all move in and kick in enough to cover the teaser rate monthly payment. The house would appreciate to, for example, $350K and they'd take out a 2nd mortgage for $50K and buy a brand new SUV for cash. When the bubble broke and real interest rates kicked in they'd pile into their paid for SUV and drive away. This happened countless times here in Arizona. Regardless this whole mess was initiated by the socialist "democrats" and my hope is we NEVER see the likes of them in power again. Jim
Jim, I've served on a bank board for many years and watched the Community Reinvestment Act play out for as long as it has existed. Yes back to the Carter years.
There was some federal pressure to extend loans in blighted areas which did not no make economic sense, but none to make the stupid loans which wound up in the federal guarantee pools which precipitated the real estate bubble.
That was just good old American greed, and it is disingenuous to blame it on the CRA or the democrats...Geo
Geo: I agree with you up to a point. But I don't for one minute doubt that the CRA was the catalyst that initiated the junk mortgage flood. Greed all the way around, business, bank and consumer, eventually took over and spread it until we all nearly drowned. I too saw what was happening first hand but like everyone else was powerless to stop it. Jim
I don't where you go the notion that I apparently agree that Reid lied on the floor of Congress or anywhere else. I don't know what you are referring to. Even if he did it's standard practise. The UK is the only place I know of that resignation was expected for lying to the House---although not so much lately. What you say in Congress or Parliament is usually privileged anyway.
For all my years in press galleries and press clubs, including Washington's, I never heard reporters and columnists arguing one side---party, if you like---was more moral and ethical or progressive than the other. Smarter in making policy stick or introduced, charismatic to bewilderment, but never that one or the other was more ethical or decorous at slurping in the trough.
A woman magazine writer and television news documentary maker explained it this way while we covering the India-Pakistan war in the early 70s: It's just like splitting a block of wood. One side is the same as the other. Notions of a brave new world being expressed here are as silly as those anticipations of a Camelot with Kennedy.
Isn't it valid to say that the policies instituted by FannieMae and FreddieMac as far as dropping eligibility requirements for purchase of those obviously shakey loans, provided the incentive for making them in the first place? Sure, salesmen took advantage of it, but it would not have happened if the political agenda of "Affordable Housing" had not been instituted. This was a political act by the Democrats, facilitated by Gorelick and Raines, both who had worked in the Clinton administration.
It's not like the collaspe was a surprise. The Bush administration warned about it for years, McCain spearheaded a 200 Billion injection in (as I remember) 2005. Nothing really was done, Dodd threatened filibuster in the Senate, and Frank accused Republicans of Racism in the House.
By your reckoning, people wouldn't get sick if there were no hospitals. All modern countries employ affordable housing in some form of their social infrastructure.
By your reckoning, people wouldn't get sick if there were no hospitals. All modern countries employ affordable housing in some form of their social infrastructure.
Both nonsensical and irrelevant. Do you really consider that a response as to what caused the Housing Crisis, and consequently the "Great Recession" you're always referring to? It's clearly past your bedtime.
....One side is the same as the other. Notions of a brave new world being expressed here are as silly as....
I still don't think they're the same, did I ever mention what reid admitted to lying about on the floor of congress? Ah, never mind, can I count on you to pick on Trump based on left wing talking points, rather than the content of his transition?
Notions, eh. You have never factually 'discussed' any of bo's policy decisions or their results. I think you're mistaking relief from many of the poor results for fiction. Didn't hill, and eventually bo himself campaign on continuing the myth of his success?
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Please don't assume I'm forcing an aggression on you, it's just a well wish that was stricken from the past.
I suspect his idol Trudeau will be coming up for a good old fashioned Arse Whipping come the next election!
