I happened to be thumbing thru the channels when this retard made this uncontested and idiotic statement on CNN that an AR 15 can fire 700 rounds per minute. I am very familiar with the AR 15 platform having built a couple from scratch and I can tell you the following with 100% certainty:
It would be difficult to get 700 rounds per minute out of the true assault rifle version which is the full auto M16. And then IMO It would take a very skilled shooter with the ability to change magazines very quickly. This guy in true anti gun grabber fashion is FOS!
Jim
http://madworldnews.com/challenge-democrat-claim-ar-15/

I'm going to leave it at that and the rest of you can draw your own conclusions regarding the spin Obama and the rest of the socialist are putting on this tragic event.

Whats your point?

Obama and his stooges have tried to turn this tragedy into an anti-gun crusade. This is a gun forum and we need to reject that ridiculous position at every turn and show up their lies. I'm not surprised that a troll like you is the 1st to comment here. I left this as a 100% gun related point with no politics included in my original post until you in typical troll fashion decided to make your remark. That's my point and if you don't like it don't read my posts.

Thank you for your input James.

And the Killer didn't use an AR15, it was a SIG-Sauer MCX, not that that it matters.

Talk about an Out & Out lie, "Obama" is now trying to prove he is NOT Anti-Gun by quoting that gun sales have increased during his term of president.
I think we all realize these increased sales were a Result of his efforts, But certainly not by his Intent.
To now try to take credit for the backfiring of his efforts at disarmament is Hypocrisy at its highest level.

Next thing we'll be hearing is that "a shotgun can fire over 300 bullets in a single high-powered blast" (that would be 312 pellets in a 1 1/8 oz. load of #7).

The person that made the comment is a FL. Congressman, and is well known for such drivel. He didn't say an AR 15 is capable of firing 700 rounds per min., which would imply a rate of fire. Instead, he said an AR 15 could shoot 700 rounds in one min. This is just not possible, and Grayson should have known it. If they really want to save lives, they will do something about padlocking fire exits in a public venue. It was mentioned in passing that all exits, except the one the shooter had blocked was padlocked. It is against the law to block fire exits, even if you have more than you need; you can't make a building less safe than it was built. If it was a fire that killed 50 and injured 53 others, the owners/operators of the night club would have been arrested. Since they were shot instead, they will try to take your AR 15.
Mike

Whatever the rate of fire or dimensions of hypocrisy, they're a gnat's eyelash of influence in the gun debate compared to growing concern of persons legally loaded to the ears with assault rifles in public places. Downtown, it's madness.

Downtown where? Antigonish? Certainly not madness in my downtown.

Saying the gun was a Sig Sauer MCX does not have the right impact that saying it was a M16 or Ar15. People know what they look like but don't know an SigSauer MCX from dust mop. So they use a familiar symbol and lie about it. And 700 rounds a minute is not possible with a semi automatic. Heck it's hard to do with a fully automatic. But never lets facts get in the way of your agenda.

This is why a free press works if it is honest. Ours is no longer honest. It has an agenda and will twist facts or ignore them as needed to gets its message out. Liberal students have been entering the press almost exclusively for 40 years. There is no mainstream media it is all far left reporting which now tells itself and us that's the way it really is.

I wish a few of these reporters were forced to watch a beheading or burning alive those who disagree with the radical Islamic followers. One thing for sure no female reporters would be there because radical Islam does not allow females to be free. They are property.

The madness looks like the implication of legality and the civility of debate. While the investigation is ongoing, this appears to be an illegal act. The 'growing concern' should be leadership disregarding the gay and latino lobby for the opportunistic advancement of the antigun lobby.

I noticed there are no human beings involved in your thoughts, just agendas? Maybe, I read it wrong.

Try it anywhere in Nova Scotia, James. I suspect the regulations for transport are the same in your province. Even hunting on property not your own, not within couple hundred metres from a residence. To town for repairs or returns: cased; in the home, guns and ammo separate locations, trigger locks, locked rooms etc.

I can't imagine a bearded guy in black toting an assault rifle along the gorgeous Georgian brick landscapes of Port Hope not being stopped by police within minutes of being reported. Farley Mowat, no anti-gunner, would have taken him out on sight. Police hereabouts investigate gun sightings regularly, mostly benign.

Madness, as out of one's mind, explicates the human tragedy, craig. LGBT as Mateen's target a big part of it.

A cultural difference I found hard to wrap my brain around while visiting the UK. My host noted we had to cover our guns while walking from the car to the paddock. Don't want to spook the neighbors. Here we walk on the edge of the road with our guns over our shoulder and wave to anyone we pass. A normal sight in rural America and cause for concern in other countries.

King, he was on the terrorist "No Fly" list for over a year. He hung out with an American that later suicide bombed in Syria. He was on the FBI's watch list. The FBI had interviewed him more than once. During the attack, in a 911 call, Mateen swore allegiance to ISIS.

ISIS murders gays in its domain every chance it gets. They advocate that practice in their propaganda.

The New York Times is blaming the attack on semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, personality disorder, the NRA, and homophobia.

It seems that the liberals want to make the Orlando shooting about anything and everything but radical Islamist terrorism.

Why is that King?

Define "Assault rifle".
In 1776 a "Brown Bess" was an Assault Gun, it wasn't rifled, in 1861/65 the Springfield or Enfield rifled muskets were Assault Rifles, today anything which is only semi-Auto is not an assault rifle. Under present law the first three mentioned are not even defined as "Firearms".

We have had laws pertaining to full automatic arms since 1934 I believe it was. These were primarily aimed at the "Tommy Gun", but the deep down problem was "NOT" the gun.

Used to be that way here, SKB. Now it seems guns may be heard but not seen. It may be a civil courtesy. Generations have grown up to abhor killing of any kind. In my opinion, Canada has generally found a reasonable balance. I feel no encumbrances as an active gunner with all the big and small game to heart's content within walking distance from my home.

Yabut, what if it turns out that ole farley has a smudge on his glasses and sentences a soccer mom to execution. Shouldn't your brand of balance have gone out with the wild west of lore?

Just kidding. I weep for the poor single mexican mother trying to take her adopted muslim son out for a couple of rounds of skeet, when he grew up abhorring killing of any kind. Fairness would redistribute the game slaughter inequality that mother Canada has forced on its citizens. Or, maybe I've brought up yet another unrelated detour.

It's a cultural war, no hold barred, each side trying to bludgeon the other with anything at hand. Liberals, believing they're in the ascendancy, are flogging Orlando as a national curse, not an aberration.

The liberal NYT and other distinguished media, bolstered by influential personages of the Republican Party itself, are using unprecedented mass killings and the exacerbating rhetoric of the heir presumptive to bring him down.

Personally, I wondered what form and how long it would take Orlando to appear on this mostly conservative forum. Technical and moral musing seemed thin gruel to mitigate another threat of gun control.

Ah, my inappropriate use of words. My friend and James's acquaintance Farley Mowat, a much-loved author considered such a threat to the US that it wouldn't let him in the country because of his words, would stop my imagined miscreant, not kill him. As an infantry officer in WW2, he was taught to kill with his hands, if necessary. The death penalty was abolished in Canada a long time ago.

So you made this post to help defeat Trump and elect Gun-Control-Hillary?

You impute a motive to me that is not correct, Mike. Craig implied I wasn't thinking of the human loss. I replied it was madness targeting a specific group (although it hurt the whole country and elsewhere, as hate does always).

But you are a liberal (not the party, the point of view). And you made that post.

So did you make that post to help defeat Trump?

Typing from my iPhone with out glasses. Please excuse my grammar and spelling.

Is this what you're once again trying to say King?



No King, we don't accept mass murder. We find it abhorrent. It's hardly news to know that you'd like to see the same restrictions on gun rights imposed upon us as you are content with in Canada:



I find it interesting that you had no response to AmarilloMike's comments on the real root cause of this Terrorist Attack... namely Radical Islam. You Liberals are always making excuses for them and saying that it is unfair to criticize an entire religion for the violent acts of a few. Yet you have no problem criticizing tens of millions of law abiding U.S. gun owners for the acts of this one Muslim ISIS extremist. And you want us to incrementally give up our Constitutional Rights.

Let's not forget that the worst Mass Murder in U.S. history was accomplished not with guns, but with box cutters used to hijack fuel-laden jets. That one was committed by Muslims too.

Now our 24/7 News Cycle is endlessly telling us that our FBI does not have the resources to find and track all of these violent Muslim extremists. And your hero Barack Hussein Obama is bringing in tens of thousands of unvetted Muslims from Syria and other countries with legions of ISIS and Al Qeada terrorists... as he is once again calling for more gun control laws.

Not doing anything to prevent future recurrence = acceptance.

Both Republicans and Democrats are implicit in bringing vetted immigrants from the Middle East. Now go and say hello to "Ahmed" at your local Walmart.

Lenin - I don't give a healthy bowel movement what you think.

We make too much of grammar and spelling, Mike, as if they're high values of character. I'm interested as most Canadians in your federal election but none of us can help or hinder candidates.

I am a liberal who considers Clinton untrustworthy, as I've declared here several times, and would support Sanders although Clinton is most qualified of them all. The Republican Party is asunder almost irreparably for the same reasons I consider Trump anathema to America's world-acclaimed values.

Saying that can't help to defeat Trump, as you say. He's simply the inevitable result of a broken political system in the same way millions of Democrats were trying to defeat Clinton. The unprecedented dissent against inequality makes them, in a sense, all liberals. Bless them all.

Democrat or Republican, their seemingly irrational dissent is because they recognize how long and manipulative their parties are rigged against them.
I don't worry about the outcome. America won't elect a proto-fascist. It can think for itself. It doesn't need me.

And I knew all along that good man Bernie couldn't deliver what he promised in the current political environment. He tugged at my heart strings, that's all.

This guy was on every agencies list as AMike pointed out. The news has repeated that ad nauseum. He was a known terrorist candidate, mentally ill, record of violence...WHY THE [censored] DIDNT ANYONE DO ANYTHING ABOUT HIM?

Censored word started with an F and ended with a K

Thank you. He is my favorite TV personality. What is his current approval rating? On the other hand when John McCain was running George W. Bush was in a "witness protection program" never to be seen on presidential campaign trail supporting fellow Republican candidate.

On this board? 0.02%

Here's the words of another Muslim sympathizer who also told us that he proudly voted for Obama twice:



Last Dollar also asks why we didn't do anything about the Muslim Terrorist murderer. But we have.

We funded an Instant Background Check system for firearms purchases. We continue to pay into the system by paying billions of dollars in taxes for Homeland Security, the BATF, and the FBI. We endure long security checks at airports where TSA Agents frisk search children, Jewish men, and old white Bubbas from W. Kniei because they are not allowed to profile those who are most likely to pose a risk.

We have hundreds of laws already on the books that impose burdens and infringe upon the Rights of law abiding citizens. But we unfortunately have a Liberal Left president and a Liberal Left influence that imposes an insane Political Correctness that gives aid and cover to those who wish to kill us.

Donald Trump was roundly criticized for weeks over his statements about Muslims who cheered and celebrated after the 9-11 attacks. Now we have former classmates of Omar Mateen saying that he jumped up in class to celebrate the radical Muslim attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Afterwards, he was laughing as he made airplane sounds and crashed his body into walls.

http://rare.us/story/omar-mateens-former...erent-reaction/

Liberals are still defending the policy of importing tens of thousands of unvetted Muslim refugees from Syria and elsewhere by saying that Mateen was born in the U.S. But it appears he was radicalized by his father who came here from Afghanistan and also supported the Afghan Taliban.

Even if Omar Mateen was prohibited from buying a gun and did not pass the Instant Check, it is doubtful anything would have been done. There are tens of thousands of instances where someone was denied purchase of a firearm, but the Obama Justice Dept. has refused to prosecute them. Liberals like Obama, King Brown, and Jagermeister are more interested in seeing additional restrictions placed upon your Constitutional Freedoms, while making excuses for the real problem.

King... Jagermeister... you guys have a Happy Ramadan! But remember, you both have blood on your hands for supporting the Liberal Left insanity that made this possible.

Why was NOTHING done about this particular person..??? Skip the coolaid and answer that....

Edit: I misunderstood what my wife told me. The Amarillo Police Department reported they had shot and killed a man during a hostage situation in a local Walmart. The report that he was a Somali and and a Muslim came from an individual posting on the local TV station's Facebook page. That individual posted that he heard it on his police scanner. Sorry for the misinformation. END OF EDIT.



The Amarillo Police Department just reported that they just shot and killed an armed gunman in a hostage situation in a local Walmart. They reported he was a Somali immigrant and a Muslim and that he left a note behind written in what appered to be Arabic.

He may have just been a disgruntled employee for all I know. May have nothing to with radical Islamic terrorism.

I hope Hillary and Obama keep pimping gun control and the importation of thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees.

If they do Trump will be a shoe-in.

dollar: apparently, manteen passed the nics background test criteria, which does not include suspicion of intent to do mass murder...

the practice of government denying a citizen his rights, based upon suspicion of evil intent is a slippery slope...

a certain number of deaths and injuries by firearms is the price we americans pay for our freedom to keep and bear arms; just as we pay a price in automobile related deaths and injuries for the freedom of the road...states require a license to drive a motor vehicle. perhaps the same criteria should apply to firearms use?

in any event, the federal based background check system appears to a dismal failure and should be abandoned?...gun control is best conducted at the state level and is in fact specifically forbidden to the federal government by the second amendment.

Why????

Because of people with the same mindset as Obama, King Brown, and Jagermeister.

If Roosevelt or Truman was anything like them, we would have made excuses for the attack on Pearl Harbor, pulled troops out of Europe and the Pacific, refused to meet with Churchill in the White House, and imported tens of thousands of unvetted Japanese and Germans. And we would have called for more and more gun control too.

As was stated on that very civil and refined Parker Forum a few days ago... "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

Edit: I forgot to include Ed Good who is another who blames inanimate objects like guns and makes excuses for criminals.

Which one of the people you mentioned ran the background check on the Orlando shooter? WHY WAS NOTHING DONE ABOUT THIS GUY? All of this info available and NO ONE did anything! WHY?

dollar: under our system of justice, one is innocent until proven guilty...

Not an answer...Somebody try again...

I already gave you your answer. The anti-gunners are more worried about restricting access to certain firearms by law abiding U.S. citizens than they are about getting serious with radical Islamists and gangbangers who are actually causing serious problems in this country. King, Ed, and Jagermeister support that mentality.

If you go into Canada with an NRA decal on your truck, you will likely be profiled, and detained, and harassed, and thoroughly searched. But because of Liberal Left political correctness, we can't do that same type of profiling even though Rudy Guiliani's "Stop and Frisk" policies when he was Mayor of NYC were extremely effective in reducing violent crime. If we positively have to infringe upon someone's rights for the common good, shouldn't it be aimed at logical targets?

As far as Ed's earlier statement on gun rights, here's a small sample of what he has said on the subject:

What I gather is the FBI was convinced by the Killer that the complaints of his Coworkers were based on "Anti-Muslim" Bigotry. Also the DHS investigation may have been shutdown because it was perceived as being Anti-Muslim.

Hell this murderous bastard worked for a security company that has contracts with the DHS. Although in this case the Killer is reported to have been working as a guard at a gated resdential community.

Will we every know for certain ? Probably not as it seems our Federal Agencies lie as easily as they breathe.

NO Keith, you have NOT given me an answer. You have used a bunch of generalities that have nothing to do with the question..What the F***K does going into Canada with an NRA sticker on my truck or what FDR said to Churchill have to do with anything? WHY DID NO ONE DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS GUY GIVEN ALL THE DATA AVAIABLE? HOW DID HE PASS THE BACKGROUND CHECK? Clearly no one wants to answer this question...Postoak has come closer than anyone, but no cigar....

I gave you the answer. We spend billions of dollars a year on security measures like Instant Check, No Fly Lists, Airport Security, etc., but due to political correctness, we get grief and whining from the Liberal Left whenever there is an attempt to watch or restrict the rights of a guy like Omar Mateen who had a history of support and contact with Radical Islam.

In the minds of people like Ed, King. and Jagermeister, guys like this terrorist are innocent until proven guilty, but law abiding gun owners are presumed guilty just because they wish to exercise their Constitutional freedoms.

I must provide my I.D. and undergo a background check every time I buy a gun. Guilt is presumed until I prove otherwise. But Democrats complain that it is Unconstitutional to ask someone for I.D. before they vote.

I know you will not accept my answer. Maybe you'd be happy if I just blamed Bush and Cheney. Or maybe you can share your thoughts on why no-one stopped this guy. It's not like his support and associations with radical Islam were an unknown quantity. Trump wants to stop this crap, and Hillary accuses him of building walls instead of bridges. And she wants to bring in even more unvetted Muslim refugees than Obama, and continue our open border policy. Oh yeah... she wants to ban guns and sue gun manufacturers until they go bankrupt too.

While we have no constitutional right to fly we do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So that is how Mateen could be on the No-Fly list but still able to buy a gun. I got the idea that he had been off of the no-fly list for awhile but I don't know that.

Mateen could not be deprived of his Second Amendment right without due process. Say, being convicted of a felony. Espousing radical Islam is protected by the First Amendment I think. Saying you think it is good that radical Islamic terrorists killed all those innocents in San Bernadino is protected by the First Amendment, I believe. That is, the government cannot deprive you of any of your constitutionally listed rights until you violate the law and you are convicted.

If Mateen had gone to Turkey and then illegally entered Syria and then returned and the Feds could prove it they could convict him of a felony and he would be prevented from buying firearms.

But there are a couple of things that contradict my understanding. I believe if you are restricted in a restraining order in a domestic situation then you can't buy a gun from an FFL legally. Yet you haven't been convicted of anything.

I believe he passed the background check because he hadn't been convicted of a higher crime. Not jay walking but say assault or stalking.

I do not understand how the government can keep citizens from flying on commercial airlines until they the citizen has been convicted of a crime. You know, due process.

So I think I know but I am not positive.

This administration has let other Radical Islamic terrorist attacks occur and the muslums that caused them "fall through the cracks",your answer is total incompetence or.............

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/06/13/the-brain-surgeon-and-the-cleaning-lady/

The FBI first became aware of Omar Mateen in 2013 when he made comments to coworkers "alleging possible terrorist ties." The feds interviewed Mateen three times in connection with his remarks -- which may have assumed more than casual importance in light of his employment by a security company that guards government buildings, and Mateen's ambitions to become a police officer.

Mateen was later removed from a terror watchlist after it was determined that he had broken no laws. The rest is history.

It joins abundant precedent. The father of the so-called underwear bomber warned by U.S. authorities of his son's intentions to attack America, but they fell through the cracks.

The Russian government warned U.S. authorities the Boston Marathon bombers were radical Islamists more than a year and a half before they killed many and maimed more. As with Mateen, the feds found that no laws were violated. The brothers were sent on their way until they reappeared with a blast.

The Pentagon failed to recognize numerous signs that Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan was up to no good and communicating with terrorists.

The extensive arsenal, recent Middle East travel, and correspondence with Islamist extremists of Syed Rizwan Farook did nothing to alarm the FBI before he and his wife massacred 14 people at a Christmas party in San Bernardino

State Department after 600 requests for security upgrades from the Benghazi consulate failed to rouse Secretary Clinton to action. When asked how she could fail to see a telegraphed punch, Clinton could only say: "What difference, at this point, does it make?

The most disturbing aspect of recent terror attacks is that the authorities were taken by surprise each time despite advance warning. This serial failure undercuts the administration's claim to competence.

Do a web search on a former DHS employee named Phillip Haney.

Clearly I am not going to get an answer. So I am going to give up.Dave, thank you for yet more info on Benghazi....
A history lesson: A few years back, we all worked hard to get conservative republicans elected so we had control of the house and senate. Since then NOT ONE piece of meaningful legislation has been passed.NOT ONE. We were told that Obamacare would go away Didn't happen. We were told our borders would be sealed, Didnt happen, We were told that the VA healthcare system would be fixed, worse than ever. We are now being told that re-electing this same bunch of do nothings with a new leader is the all singing all dancing solution to our problems. INCLUDING GUN CONTROL...And toads will give you warts.
We are going to get way more gun control than we want, forced down our throats and shoved up our asses. This incident tipped the scales. All of that info available and we did nothing. WHY NOT?
You all can go back to your debates, name calling, pissing in each shoes...BUT for lords sake don't do anything...

Clearly. you don't want to accept the answer I have repeatedly given you. No surprise there.

Most of us knew that electing a Republican majority in the House and Senate would not change much without a veto-proof majority. The best we could hope for was that we'd have a Congress that wouldn't give Obama free reign to take us further down the road to ruin. The fact that the new Republican majority didn't even really try to reverse ObamaCare and reckless spending is why Trump is the Republican nominee. But even with a Republican majority in the House and Senate, Obama still used Executive Orders to bypass Congress, including imposing new gun control measures.

Chuck:

The Republicans passed a bill to repeal Obamacare. Obama vetoed it.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2...nthood-n2100043

They didn't have the votes to override his veto, 2/3 of the Senate is required to override a veto I believe.

Obama would veto anything the Republican would pass. The Republicans wouldn't pass anything Obama wouldn't veto.

How many pieces of legislation were passed submitted and vetoed? HINT None..

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2...nthood-n2100043

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/obama-vetoes-obamacare-repeal-bill/index.html

Edit:
This one says the House has passed 56 bills to kill Obamacare:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/repeal-obamacare_n_6607080.html

well then dollar, tell us in your opinion, who should have done what and when, in order to have stopped this mas murderer...

Interesting news being reported about the Orlando shooter. Eyewitnesses are claiming he has been seen in that gay nightclub many times OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

That time frame would suggest that he was struggling with his own sexuality, rather than casing the joint, and the tenets of his radical faith. Radical faith won and 50 people are dead.

Looking forward to President Trump.

Look at this description of shooting an AR.

Poor feela from New York Daily News got PTSD from a few rounds. This guy is an out-and-out liar or he has a very delicate shoulder.

"The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."

Judging by the pictures and he's not left handed so he's fibbing about the brass too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

Mike is correct, and Last Dollar is wrong. I also said that they didn't really even try to reverse ObamaCare. We all knew that passing the bill to repeal it would not reverse it because we also knew Obama would veto it. But they still had the power of the purse to de-fund it. They also had the power to not increase the debt limit, but rolled over on that too. And that is why Trump is the nominee. Will he be able to change things? We can only hope.

But we do know that electing Hillary Clinton will only make things worse, and she will endanger our Gun Rights. She has promised to do that.

keith I think Obamacare was written so that congress couldn't defund it without repealing the healthcare law. I guess they could have shut down the entire government until Obama agreed to repeal Obamacare. But when they shut down the government during Bill Clinton's first term it hurt the Republicans badly.

anybody else here read "the kite runner"?

could esplain manteen's demon...

Ted Cruz filibustered to defund Obama Care, Obama shutdown 17 percent of the FEDGOD in response, and Cruz was crucified for his actions.

The root of the problem is the ignorant, soft, dependent majority of Americans, IMO.

We have an unaccountable DHS and related Federal Agencies, because for the most part Americans tolerate it, and leach off of it.

Mike, this just happened one week ago, on June 7th.

http://bigstory.ap.org/04132e42904845328a8ea91a6edaa420

https://morningconsult.com/2016/06/06/gop-appropriators-to-allow-aca-funding-on-hhs-spending-bill/

Fair enough.

I stand corrected.

Thanks,

Mike

Why don't you ask someone who can give you an answer you want to hear?

From the old misfires, my understanding is that you have some familiarity with law enforcement. If you have seen other laws in the past that have not been enforced, what were the reasons?

Unfortunately, the criminal would need to be much fairer to advance gun control. It's a bit like, every month in chicago there's an Orlando happening over and over again, but the perps are stereotyped as democrats. Do you have an answer for that?

jeh johnson head of homeland security is saying gun control is a homeland security issue?????

Hey I said I gave up...Hot potato...no body is gonna answer...Keith. I accept your reasoning on why no legislation of any value has been passed...I mean yeah, if it's gonna be tough just leave it and let someone else do it later...
I am impressed with the activity AFTER the shooting tho.Important shit like "What do we call these people" Was the shooter gay? Had he been in the club before? What does his apartment look like? Real Root questions...I don't see much (any) discussion about HOW DO WE STOP THIS STUFF? Likely in the same category as everything else...Border closure,VA health care, planned parenthood...What color socks this killer wore gets more attention...

Your whole life you thought there were rules. There ain't.


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I'll knock you the F out, mate. William Wallace

how bout making all crime committed with a firearm, a federal crime? would that help?

How bout I knock you out? Idiot.


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Ever have the feeling we're already dead and went the wrong way?

You are right I was wrong...Hate it when Amike s right...sorry

Craig..check your Pm's

Sounds like somebody needs to listen to some bluegrass.....

I agree with you though.

20th in LaPorte...Corb Lund and the "Hurtin Albertans" Yee hah!!!

I like Corb Lund....been on a Hayes Caryll kick lately...and Robert Earl Keen

Like one of our biggest mass murders with an active shooter, my understanding is the Orlando shooter killed lots of people while law enforcement waited outside. 3 hours between first cop on the scene and killing him. Lots of the 50 people died over that period....not all at the start. Perhaps we need to re-think the protocols for engagement and negotiation. Maybe we just need to get in there and kill the shooter as fast as possible.

Maybe the FBI did exactly what they were trained to do ?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/291...drew-c-mccarthy

Canvasback I had the same thought.

I wonder how many of those 49 dead would have lived had the cops immediately assaulted the place when they had the swat team in place. I watched a show about combat treatment of our soldiers and they talked about "the golden hour". Meaning if they could get the wounded soldier in the operating room within an hour of being injured the percentages of him living went way up.

Why don't you guys just join the cops and walk in their shoes? Other than you are too old and feeble.....In Ontario they still would be debating it with the new PM....What to wear and all that...

Stevo! Why don't you all come down? Show starts at 9..Swing Station,,you have been there, right? Diane and I are staying at the Elkhorn...

Chuck you sure are cranky today. Did Diane tell you how the cow ate the cabbage or something? Or did Flash eat your lunch again and you have low blood sugar?

30 people were reported hostages,in the beginning.the rules of engagement need to be changed.why is homeland security involved in gun control

you have an answer ,

What a dopey response to a legitimate question.

Part of your answer can be gleaned by listening to his answer from 4:00 min. I suppose the answer is we live in country where individual freedoms and rights are greatly respected.

Your answer lies in phrase typed by one of our most admired members:"....Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom."

I think these are foolish comments.

If you actually watch your video, you would, actually I doubt it, figure out that the pres is comparing a Constitutional right to revocable privileges and regulations.

Why don't you define what a Jm would consider to be 'respect' or 'reasonable' from the pres' point of view. We see what happens when he taxes and regulates healthcare. Only the selected few on a most favored list are entitled to subsidies. The rest of us are priced out of participating, ever note how they say there's pretty much the same amount of uninsured folks? If folks can't afford an entitlement, who's going to prevent joe average from getting priced out of a Constitutional right, that's still there on paper?

How come you would let this pres define 'reasonable', when he ignored the direct question about the failing of gun laws in his home town? How can you let him define 'reasonable' when he blames all his policy failures on the NRA? Try a tad bit harder Jm.

Both King Brown and Ed Good have used those words Jagermeister. Which of them do you admire?





We know that you admire Obama, and told us you voted for him twice. I don't need to hear anything he has to say about gun rights because he is not trustworthy.

Canvasback, doesn't appear to me that you have a dog in this fight. ..Non Voter Non Citizen...Maybe you should direct your energy to Canada's hottest project, rewriting your National Anthem to make it "Gender non specific"...

You know LD, I have never taken a run at you before, so I don't know why you are singling me out in this thread. You can take your sarcasm and put downs and go [censored] yourself.

If you think I don't have a dog in this fight then you are far more myopic than I ever imagined. Take your pills, have a cup of coffee and put your brain in gear. EVERYTHING the US does affects my country greatly. Good and bad. When you share the continent with the preeminent superpower of the last 70 years and have one tenth the population, of course what the US does matters. I could go on and list the countless ways your country and culture dominate mine but it should be so bloody obvious I shouldn't have to.

We are taking over hockey too.

NHL settles on Las Vegas over Quebec City for expansion.

Maybe the Habs should move there?

(I know, low blow)


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RIP #9. Greatest of all time.

Haha! Hockey is sliding but we are up and coming in golf. Brooke Henderson!

When you all build the well deserved memorial to the greatest hockey player, I hope you don't put it at his birthplace...I may be the only Yank to ever see it if you do...Is it true do ya suppose, that when he was at the pinnacle of his success 87.9% of all male children born in Canada were named Gordon? RIP Gordie...

I only wish some of our citizens were as concerned with preserving U.S. Gun Rights as James (canvasback).

I also wish Last Dollar would tell the anti-gun Troll King Brown to stick to Canadian affairs, and keep his Liberal Left nose out of our business with his continual drumbeat of support for anti-gun politicians here.

James has also actually worked to preserve gun rights in Canada, and was involved in the movement to reverse the Long Gun Registry there. King was too busy at the time posting crap like this in order to undermine our rights:

The acknowledged greatest is captain of the Pittsburg Penguins, Sidney Crosby of Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia, with whom two of my grandsons played street hockey.

I don't know Gordie or Sidney's influence in naming newborns. I do know Nova Scotia is sprucing things up for Sidney's homecoming with the Stanley Cup.

There may be a lesson here: the 15 Penguin-Canadians outnumbering only by one Penguin-Americans by teamwork bring home the bacon for all of us!

And that's no lie.

King I wish you would save your pontifications until winter time. That's when we could use your hot air...

Apologize for offending you. Only wanted to amend a couple notions of hockey prowess in this thread.

To pontificate, I could have said of your game that Canada gave Jackie Robinson his big-league break and broke the baseball colour barrier.

Fair comment in baseball weather?

I have watched many hours of news coverage, including the president blaming guns, and still haven't heard of any investigation of the padlocking of exits and trapping of the patrons inside. There are two sides to the three hour delay, people likely bled to death during this time; but on the other hand, there was a lot of talk about "suspicious" devices(bomb)in the beginning of the showdown. The correct reaction to an active shooter is an immediate assault, but when you add possible explosive devices, I wouldn't want to "sharp shoot" the decisions of those in charge.
Mike

Good point Der Ami. Hadn't thought of explosives.

Your post is the first I've heard of padlocked exits.

Where did it come out that the exits were padlocked?

I heard about the padlocked exits fairly early. I have also heard there is a theory that the shooter padlocked them himself to cut off escape routes. But to my knowledge, theory only at this point.

Taking a page from your playbook, [censored] yourself! How we honour Gordie Howe and where we honour him is none of your business. Why don't you go jack off the [censored] you elected President.

Up until the 9-11 terrorist attacks, the worst mass murder in U.S. history was at another night club called the Happy Land Dance Club.

87 young people were killed there in 1990 when an enraged patron named Julio Gonzalez was thrown out by a bouncer. He went to a gas station and bought his murder weapon... a plastic container with $1.00 worth of gasoline that he had purchased from a nearby Amoco station.

He returned and tossed the gasoline onto the only staircase leading into the night club, and lit it on fire.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25th-anniversary-of-happy-land-nightclub-fire-that-killed-87/

The worst school massacre in U.S history didn't involve guns either. The Bath School disaster was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults and injured at least 58 other people. His weapon of choice was dynamite.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/05/18/bath-school-disaster-michigan/27521127/

We should not succumb to the insane ideas of people like Obama, King Brown, or Jagermeister who think we should give up our Constitutional Rights and freedom. Cain did not need a gun to kill Abel. Hannibal's much smaller army killed over 70,000 Roman soldiers in a single day without assault weapons in 216 B.C., long before guns were invented.

King, refer. your quote," Abandoning Jesus's teaching ..
All of the disciples were carrying the "Glock" of the day; the Roman short sword......Including the guy that lopped off the soldier's ear........ Grant.

Thanks. I didn't know that. I imagined them in flowing robes.

canvasback,
I don't think the shooter padlocked the exits, himself. The fact that they were padlocked, is likely one of the factors he used to choose the club, together with being a "gun free zone", without adequate security. Many venues such as this padlock the exits to prevent people sneaking in. It is true that the code required "Panic Hardware" prevents opening the doors from outside, but law requires they not be locked from inside. This means one person could pay the cover charge or ticket fee and let all his friends in. To prevent this management often just padlocks the doors, rather than hiring enough security to stop "gate crashers".
Mike

Mike, I think you are probably right. I was just passing along what I had been reading. Remarkable to me how high the casualty count was. Over 100 shot. That's a lot of people to shoot. Fish in a barrel.

It was a great parade through Pittsburgh also, nearly a half a million people lined the streets. No trouble, no arrests, no nothing, except Crosby and Fleury among others got out of their parade vehicles to sign autographs and snap some pictures with the fans and hold some small children so their parents could take a picture. What a frickin parade!!!!

Warms my heart---and thanks for your report. From all accounts he's a great guy on a great team.

Sidney Crosby is a great player, no doubt. But, the "acknowledged greatest"? That would be Gretzky. And it's not even close.

I was only able to coax 88 rounds out of my AR in about in a minute...self timed so it likely wasn't too accurate.

That's a decent rate of fire considering you had to make 2 magazine changes(assuming 30 round mags).
We're you aiming of just pulling the trigger as fast as possible?
I never did any timing in full-auto when I had the opportunity; but I would guesstimate up near 200 Rounds per min in spray and pray mode.
Jim

Goillini

You suck at hockey.

Better check on what Wayne thinks.


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I've read through all eleven pages of this and I don't think the reporter lied about the weapon being able to shoot 700 rounds a minute but mis-understood the research and lacks common knowledge of guns.

When you lookup info on a M-16/AR-15 it states that the "cyclic rate of fire is 600-700 rounds per min." so if you don't know better you would assume that it can fire that many rounds per min.

I don't believe it was an intentional lie just poor reporting and lack of serious research in the spur of the moment and it does make spectacular headlines.

There are always half truths and innuendo when reporting, just look at all the stuff that comes to us everyday on Hilary, Obummer and Donald. Everyone slants the news to fit there agenda and to stay just clear of a total lie.

We as intelligent people have to sort through the info we are fed and then decide where the truth lies in our opinion.

I wasn't aiming, spray method. I had a Deputy hand me the magazines...Gun got HOT......FUN!!!!

It seems that even when anti-gun politicians or reporters are informed and educated about things like the difference between a full auto assault rifle and a semi-automatic, they still choose to repeat the same incorrect anti-gun dogma.

I still keep hearing them piously ask why it is legal for us to go to a gun show and buy machine guns and bazookas without a background check. It is exactly what Jim called it... an out and out lie from the left.

We've seen the same thing right here numerous times when ex-reporter King Brown has repeatedly stated that the U.S. has a higher murder rate than any other civilized country or that the Framers of the Constitution never wrote about their intent that the 2nd Amendment protects an Individual Right. Even when corrected or provided with proof, he has come right back with the same anti-gun crap.

Jagermeister's president, Barack Hussein Obama was just on TV calling for more restrictions on guns after the Orlando terrorist attack. Although he mentioned the radicalization these lone wolves get via the internet, he did not suggest 1st Amendment restrictions such as censorship of ISIS indoctrination websites or online Terrorist training magazines such as "Inspire". He did not suggest suspension of 1st Amendment free religion rights for Mosques that preach anti-American sentiment, and he did not call for suspension of 4th Amendment search, seizure, and privacy rights for those with terrorist ties.

And he sure didn't mention that there was no such thing as ISIS until he and Hillary created the vacuum in the Middle East that allowed it to bloom and grow.

This would be a good time to call your elected representatives to tell them we are still not interested in giving up our Constitutional Rights, or giving the terrorists a victory by permitting Congress to disarm us.

Wayne thinks it's Gordie and the rest of Canada thinks it's Wayne. Oh, I forgot. King thinks it's Crosby! LOL

Just with his scoring records alone it has to be Gretzky.

"He has been called "the greatest hockey player ever" by many sportswriters, players, and the NHL itself. He is the leading scorer in NHL history, with more goals and more assists than any other player. He scored more assists than any other player scored total points, and is the only NHL player to total over 200 points in one season – a feat he accomplished four times. In addition, he tallied over 100 points in 16 professional seasons,"


Four frickin times!!!!!

Lonesome roads: Hockey News, most hockey writers and the NHL record books agree with me. You suck at sports analysis. Don't get me wrong. Gordie Howe was great. But Gretzky is the GOAT.

You may be closest, James. Wayne's double 9 honoured Howe, and Howe and Wayne often expressed Crosby as the "next" greatest. There seemed magic in all of them but the player who had the most effect on me was The Rocket in the Forum for sheer explosive violence of his rushes on the net.

King, I missed seeing the Rocket. I got to watch Howe, had season tickets to watch Hull, loved the Canadians, went to game 3 of the 1972 series (Canada Russia tied) and so saw in person most of the active greats of the game at that time. No one played like Gretsky. No one.

Crosby is great, no doubt about it. One of the best ever. But he is no Howe and he is no Gretsky. Those two guys accomplishments defy belief.

How many rounds per minute did he get out of his AR15? I wish you guys would stay on the subject...BIG elk steak and batter fried rattlesnake for eats tonite...

LD, where is the dinner pic?

Only the New York Yankees have more championships then the Montreal Canadians. I think its 27 to 25 at present.

Not the main course!

is that a rattler?

looks like one of the little ones we used to use for fish bait back in the fifties when i was a kid growing up on tampa bay...

Goillini

I suck at a lot of things, but...

Slash me again and I'll f'ing f you up. Hockey News. Pfffttt. 🤐

http://youtu.be/kOCIsXmR984


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Oskar,
Go back to my comment on page one of this thread, This Congressman is known for his lies and wild claims. You should be more careful yourself. You lumped the select fire(full auto)M16 in with the simi-auto AR 15, and implied they both have a "cyclic rate of 600-700 rounds per min.".I'm not even sure the term "cyclic rate" applies to simi-auto fire. I'm not concerned with most of the people here hearing(reading)this drivel, with few exceptions, we know better. I'm concerned with the regular people that don't know better and believe such crap as Geraldo saying last night that anyone on the Terrorist Watch List can walk into a gunstore and buy a machine gun without having to wait. Bill O'Reilly and Eric Bowling(?) both let him get by w/o challenge. Now those that don't know better, think he is correct.

That would have to be a theoretical rate of fire- 6-700 RPM...20+ magazine changes would be required..I don't believe that is possible in a minute...I certainly couldnt do it..

I have been told that O'Reilly has been notified by literally hundreds of viewers(Facebook, Twitter, Emails etc.) that Rivera is full of crap regarding buying machine guns. Will there be a retraction or correction tonight? To me doubtful as the same thing happened after the Conn. shootings when O'Reilly stated on his show that anyone could walk into a gun show and buy a Bazooka or a machine gun. TO THE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE HE NEVER PUBLICLY RETRACTED THIS FALSHOOD. If he really wants "fair and balanced" reporting IMO they would have a firearms expert sitting there and monitoring what some of these people are saying and correct them when they are wrong at least for the time being. I know: That's probably asking for way too much!

On a thread citing political lying, it's entertaining to read the comments of members holding the Constitution over their hearts while supporting the presidential candidate who tells the biggest whoppers.

I agree Kimg, Hillary's supporters are a real paradox!

Yep: Trump calls her Crooked Hillary and the rest of us know her only too well as lying Hillary. I doubt if she'd be able to tell the unvarnished truth if her life depended on it. A thoroughly disgusting human being.
But we digress: Eric Bolling ,filling in for O'Reilly tonight just nailed one of the Libtard Commiecrat Hillary Bimbos who tried to label an AR15 an Assault rifle which it isn't. I guess he got the message loud and clear from those of us who told him and O'Reilly in NO uncertain terms that we won't put up with the lies and B.S like Rivera was spouting last night that they let go unchallenged.

Jim

The thing about Trump I like most, is that he has all the right enemies.

Yep, including Mitch, Majority Leader of the Senate, and Paul, Speaker of the House of Representatives, and a growing tribe of Republican luminaries who consider him as unelectable, racist, misogynist, bigot and a colossus of ignorance. But what do they know, eh?

Eric Bolling really nailed a Libtard bimbo who made the mistake of trying to pull what Rivera got away with the previous evening and that was to label an AR1 5 an "Assault rifle". Bolling was filling in for O'Reilly last night stopped the Bimbo and corrected hew twice. I expect this was due to the hundreds and perhaps thousand of messages that were sent to FOX after that sleazy jerk Rivera got away with this kind of B.S.
Jim

Libtards in the News:

[quote=king Brown] Yep, including Mitch, Majority Leader of the Senate, and Paul, Speaker of the House of Representatives, and a growing tribe of Republican luminaries who consider him as unelectable, racist, misogynist, bigot and a colossus of ignorance. But what do they know, eh?[quote]

If the party of stupid successfully torpedoes its own candidate's election after he has been chosen by millions of conservative voters whom he has waked up and gotten to the polls this year, I don't think there'll be a Republican party any more...Geo

They're talking about it even more with the delegates changing the rules at the last minute to unbound themselves.

I know so many Republicans that I can't stand the thought of their being without a party, Geo. My guess is they'll find a way to build a new, more inclusive family in the same way Canada has got through political crises---bumbling along, working toward something better, without notions of quick fixes.

Are you referring to Obama voters or Hillary ones? Both are pathological liars.

Clearly you do not understand the psychological and philosophical conflict within the Republican party.

from zero hedge

"That Trump gets this is little short of amazing, and yet truth often comes to us in unexpected ways. He may be an imperfect vessel – and that is surely an understatement – but he is absolutely correct in this instance: this administration and this President either “doesn’t get it, or he gets it better than anybody understands. It’s one or the other.”

The media and the Never Trumpers leaped on this statement and translated it into the old Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim trope, but that’s not what he was talking about. He was talking about the largely unknown history of our intervention in Syria, where Hillary Clinton was the jihadists’ best friend and benefactor. It was she who led the charge to “liberate” Syria, to arm the “moderate” head-choppers and do to that war-torn wreck of a country what she had done to Libya. Obama knows it: and so does the media. But their lips are sealed.

why oh why does is this administration and the Clinton campaign so reluctant to utter the words “radical Islamic terrorism”? Is it because of political correctness and a fear of inciting “Islamophobia”? Don’t flatter them: they’re not above that, when it serves their purposes. But it doesn’t serve their purposes this time.

What they’re afraid of is alienating their allies in the Middle East – not just the jihadists they’ve funded and succored in an effort to overthrow Assad, but primarily the Saudis, the Turks, and the Gulf sheikhs who are all in on the game and are playing it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s the Clinton Foundation, which has received millions in “donations” from the Saudi royals and their satellites.

The US policy goal in the region is to block the Iranians and their Shi’ite allies, including Syria’s Assad, from expanding their influence in the wake of the failed Iraq war. That war installed a Shi’ite regime in Baghdad, and in order to protect our vaunted ally Israel – which is set on regime change in Syria – we are backing and have been backing Sunni radicals, precisely those “radical Islamic terrorists” whose name will never pass Hillary Clinton’s lips.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/something-going-%E2%80%93-and-its-worse-you-thought

It's interesting that you see Republicans building inclusiveness behind their nominee. I guess you made implications about the fellow for dramatic effect? At this late hour, coming out of meetings with the presumptive gal and current fellow, I can't stand the fact that millions feeling the bern aren't included.

Maybe if bern revealed a gay lover, he could force his hand with the dem elites? Ah, we could only hope, but hill's in the upper one percent, could she unveil a dueling lesbian affair? Can hill pardon herself if she's just a nominee, or is the buzz that she's a shoo-in and do it later? So much to consider prior to the current fellow swooping in and leading all to the trough. I like how we've turned towards the real issues that worry joe average, instead of petty bickering.

No, craig. Post-Trump, after the biggest rout in US history, Republicans will build a new, more-inclusive party and take their turn running the country. It's common in federal politics.

I think King is counting his electoral college chickens before the fat lady sings!

Sharp eye King. In my haste to be all inclusive, I left out one or two of the issues of overriding importance. In your opinion, regardless of talking points, can you come up with a so called Republican name that is bork resistant?

It's not smart to use the term, Dave. Countries, parties and citizens often hold their noses and do what they have to do. There's more to be gained from Muslim countries---particularly in south-east Asia where the US has major interests---with sensitivity toward being misunderstood than labelling a minority already giving regional governance lots of trouble. Our countries have embraced thugs to protect our national interests all over the world, for as long as I remember. Not using the term is probably the best protection of our interests at the least cost, in my opinion.

There's a lot of good Republicans who want a lot more for America as there are a lot of Democrats who want the same. Great leaders seem to spring from oddest places. Your great country will find a way; it always does.

Great leaders come a dime to a dozen. What makes a great community leader climb the ladder regardless of actual greatness?

Anyway, can I assume your vetting of this candidate is accurate and at least civil as noted by many here? What happens if a Republican takes a similar 'high road' such as yourself, take for instance Mitch? Does he make inroads, change hearts and minds, sway the nation to greener pastures?

If he were to do right by the country, shouldn't ole Mitch use the protection of the senate floor, the way ole harry did four years ago, to bork the r running at the time for the presidency? Shouldn't Mitch be throwing outlandish bombs about Canadian tax concealment favoritism for a certain foundation? Maybe, he could be could surround himself with a bunch of logcabiners, and when asked about justifying bomb throwing, he could introduce a struggling single hispanic mom for credibility? If phony tax allegations don't get traction, can he lie about pending criminal charges and the firing of a hundred female staffers by hill for family leave during a campaign?

Focus man! Are you really implying that all Republicans are borkable?

Islam is an ideology of supremacism and WAR

Two things. Leaders don't sprout from the top. Whitman said to have great poets we need great audiences. To have great leaders we need great followers. Uniting people for pursuit of worthwhile goals, my day job, involves bottom-up without top-down bureaucratic or technological interference.

Forget all the other stuff. The Republican Party will rise from innovation in the public interest: what men and women would choose if they saw clearly, thought rationally and acted disinterestedly. They won't let others do their thinking for them. "A great community leader" rises from the bottom. Pushed up.

Current and contagious Republican unbonding is forerunner of the party's rebalancing after November. GOP rebirth is underway. Even those who support Trump but despise him as a scoundrel are trying to escape lasting public opprobrium as "Vichy" politicians who put themselves before country.

Maybe 6-700 Rounds per minute would be possible with a belt feed?

'Great followers'? Are those the folks who are pavlovian conditioned to react to words like 'racist' and 'misogynist', or are these the followers that're expecting more free stuff?

Interesting, only Republicans can't see clearly or think rationally? What a bunch of losers, eh. Good point though about dems being a bunch of independent thinkers, but never in any disarray.

The Holy Grail make it up to New Scotland yet King? Better get a pic and post it. Cover those legs please.

For King's eyes only.
https://youtu.be/ZX0XFJInqqQ

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Might be a problem with the action getting too hot tho...I'll research the field trials and see what I can come up with...

Man, if only I too could look Faberge.

Clear the decks, craig. Throw all the tit-for-tat stuff overboard. Cast the Dems from your mind into the chain locker. This is no time for recriminations to deflect vulnerability. It's over. Republicans are building a new ship of state to weather the storms and realities of 21st century America. I wish them well and would love to be part of it.

You are a part of it King. Isn't that why you are actually here... to provide support and defense for the anti-gun politicians, and to denigrate the pro-gun politicians?

You sure haven't done anything to advance gun rights in Canada, because you've been much too busy here advancing Socialism and Liberalism, and undermining our 2nd Amendment.



We all know Justice Stevens is anti-gun, but we also know he is a flaming Liberal even though King tries to paint him as Conservative.

Would anyone like to hear what Mark Levin really has to say about the meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment? Take 5 minutes to listen to this:

http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-the-...cal-government/

Last Dollar is correct about the actual rate of fire from an AR-15. With use of 30 round magazines, you would have to squeeze the trigger 30 times, and then dump the empty magazine and replace it with a full one every 3 1/2 seconds in order to get 700 rounds per minute.

Claiming that an AR-15 is capable of firing 700 rounds per minute is pure bullshit on a massive scale that nearly equals what comes from King Brown.

Gentlemen,
Once again, the term "rate of fire" is not an appropriate term for a semiautomatic( autoloader).If there were a rate of fire, it would be 1. Everything else relates to the indeterminate speed of the shooter, not the rifle.
Mike

While an AR-15 may fire at the RATE of 700 rounds per minute, it is functionally impossible to have it fire 700 rounds for a minute. The left seem incapable of understanding the difference between rate of fire and what can be accomplished in one minute.

From the foregoing comments, James, it seems more than the left is too stupid to see the difference---on a mostly conservative shooters' forum!

We could 'report' all we'd like about actual rates of fire, but who's listening. If a pres insists on gun control lobbying a nation within 24 hrs. of a homeland radical islamic terrorist attack, why can't opinion bloggers support the effort in the name of 'journalism'? Neat huh, maybe eight victim names released at the time, but there was a foregone conclusion prepped for the opportunity. Ah, no big deal, I feel better that hill was knocked off the front pages for a bit, eh.

I see now why the NHL chose Las Vegas over Quebec City. Apparently Canadians care more about American politics than their national sport. Sad day indeed.

Come on out to Vegas next winter King. We'll catch the Wings or Leafs and thrash a Z06 around Spring Mountain.

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https://youtu.be/c8tZ0r8ZDVU

Thanks for the invitation. Your visit here would be my pleasure.

There's truth to your notion of Canada caring more about US politics than hockey. We have an enormous stake in your governance as a branch-plant economy. There's a saying that when Americans get a sniffle Canadians get a cold.

It appears that King Brown would like to see massive income redistribution and an 18 Trillion Dollar debt for Canada too! I mean, that is his incredibly insane idea of how the U.S. economy should be run.

His ideas on politics and the economy are little different than his ideas for our gun rights. They are not for us. They are against us.

Here is King's thoughts on his hero Obama, and his violations of his Oath of Office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution even though he uses any tragedy or Islamic terrorist attack to attempt to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment:



It would appear that when Americans get a headache... Nova Scotians get brain damage.

And Keith That is why he'll remain on my Ignore List. He lies and tries to twist everything which is SOP for Libtards. I have zero respect for those of his ilk and can't comprehend why they are even allowed to continue posting here.
And the intense Hatred I see being manifested by the radical left for Trump makes me even more convinced he's the right man to pull us out of this 8 year Libtard disaster before we end up like Venezuela!
Jim