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I own a beautiful side by side Johann Kalezky 45/70 rifle,it came in a gorgeous leather case which contains a leather sling,the stock has an ammo storage which contains one round of an old 45/70 calber.The box also holds a german hunting sword,I can read Eckhorn Solingen on it.
I would like information about this gun,it came with some Google translation but I cannot identify the original language,I would guess it is russian.
Any info will be greatly appreciated.

It just doesn't get any better than offerings by Johann Kalezky, even those bobby-dazzlers from some little Isle. Eickhorn is still in business in Solingen, Germany so the text should be German. Post some images or forward them to me & I'll gladly post them for you.


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

If the gun is made by Johann Kalezky, K - K Hoflieferant in Vienna,Austria, than it's normally chambered in 11,5 x 60R Express, DWM cartridge no. 96 (.450/60) and not 45/70. Please check this.

Thank you for response.How do I forward the pictures to you?

I will,thank you

How do I forward the pictures to you?

I have seen the pictures before they are cancelled.
Very easy to check the chamber. If you use 45/70 and it's chambered 11,5 x 60R you can't close the gun.

Ger,
The 70 in 45-70(an old American cartridge from 1873)doesn't stand for the case length, as the 60 in 11.5x60 does. The 70 stands for 70 grains of black powder, which was the original load. The 45-70 case length is close to 51mm. The rim is flat, unlike the rim on 11.15x60 or any other cartridge based on that case( Mauser base MB) The 45-70 has a slightly larger diameter bullet(.458")and rim diameter(.600"), but because of manufacturing tolerances may go into a 11.5x52R chamber. It would have a few thousandths excess headspace, because the rim is thinner than the MB rim. MB cartridges were used in Austria, but were not as popular as they were in Germany. The 45-70 case is .010-.016" smaller diameter at the head, but will expand on firing to fit the chamber. I modify the rims of 45-70 cases to MB configuration to use in my 11.15x51R and a friend does the same for his 11.5x52R. Cases can be made for 11.15x60R from 45-90(again, capacity, not length),because the head and rim are the same as 45-70.
Mike

I did try 2 rounds of 45-70 and they perfectly.I shot both rounds and they hit the target about 4"appart.
I am trying to get some good photos to post,notice I am saying:I am trying,not very good with the computer.
Oshans

I meant:they fit perfectly
Oshans

oshans,
It would be helpful if you could post photos of the cases from the cartridges you fired.
Mike