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Unfortunately, my German trade gun deal fell through due to some truth in adverting issues. However, I am working on this Sauer 16 ga. and would appreciate any feedback from this learned crowd. It appears to have been made in 1934, was restocked sometime since, and looks to be a good quality gun. I generally prefer sculpted fences, but the engraving on these is so good I can overlook that.

I read somewhere that the screw/pin at the top of action behind the fences indicates intercepting sears - can anyone confirm that?

Thanks in advance, Doverham


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Probably a Model XVII and a nice "dolled-up" workhorse with the 3 Ringe Krupp tubes. I assume it has ejectors? It seems there weren't that many of them and they seem to all have that set screw paired with the screw in the floor plate. Top screw is typically overhanging scears/Abzugsstange and the lower are intercepting/Fangstangen. The nose of the overhanging interfaces with the top of the hammer. What are the initials on the water table FW/TW?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Stock more than likely resembled this one from 1943?:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Sauer.cfm?gun_id=100226390

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Hi Doverham,

it's the other way round: the screw on the bottom indicates intercepting sears. The "normal" A&D made by Sauer had only the screw on top. The ojnes with intercepting sears ("catch bars") have screws both on top as on bottom:



Anyway: yours is a model XIV.

Regards

Martin

Thanks for the tutorial, Raimey and Martin - very helpful. It is great to see cocking indicators and intercepting sears on box locks - the Germans know how to do things right. And yes, this one has ejectors.

The initials on the water table appear to be FW. Any significance?

Martin if is a Model XIV it is an upgraded variant with 3 Ringe Krupp steel tubes, ejectors and upper rung engraving, unless added later. Also I don't recall seeing a standard Model XIV with the set screw on the floor plate. I don't mean to call your hand on it but you or your father designated No. 133 as a Model XVII, http://www.altejagdwaffen.de/Catalog.33.0.html?&L=1 , & I think Doverham's engraving to be the same or a notch above Krause #133. That is unless you have the page of the Sauer ledger with both serial numbers.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

For the time period and the task, I'd 1st guess either Fritz Wagner(higher probability) or Fritz Wei� but of course there were several more mechanics with the same initials even including those in the Zella-Mehlis area. A Sauer mechanics ledger or subcontractors list would be a find.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

A Sauer Model XVIII(18)(Meisterwerk?) from 1945 of pre-WWII components I'm sure which was found by Geno( http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post141322 ):







Note how on post WWII Sauer examples the Model was stamped on the rear lug.





Kind Regards,

Raimey

Couple more post WWII Model XVIIIs(Meisterwerk) and note the small set screw on the floorplate:













Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

continued.....

Note Model number on rear lug.






I think that the Sauer Model 8s composed the bulk of the 1st war reparations shipment of some 9k weapons to the U.S.S.R. but I'm sure other Models were included in the May 1947 shipment which may have been arranged sometime in 1946.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse