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#526099 10/14/18 09:51 PM
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I know these aren't real A H Fox guns but the pricing I am seeing is all over the place and higher than I expected.

Anyone have a good idea of the value of a 1951 Savage Fox Model B in .410. These older ones have walnut stocks with splinter fore end and cut checkering. Blue receiver with the nicer looking Ducks over Cattails in Oval on the bottom.

About 90% condition with some bluing wear around the bottom corners of the receiver and typical dings and scratches to the wood for a 60-something year old working gun.

Looks to have been carried more than shot, lockup is very tight and shiny bores. All original including butt plate. Good ergonomics, points naturally and decent triggers, but has that ungainly Savage 410 look to it.

I know the larger bore versions can still be had quite reasonably, but I'm seeing some prices on .410s that are going over $1K, which seems crazy to me.

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Yes
B, as you said double triggers, extractors, right??

This one is well priced but a short stock !
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/788652648

https://www.gunbroker.com/Side-By-Side-S...amp;PageSize=24

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About similar wear but my gun has a blued receiver and the sides are flat, not carved to try to make it look like an A H Fox gun.

No center bead on my gun either. Double triggers and extractors.

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Usually any of these lower end .410 doubles are easily at least $1,000.
Given it is the Fox B and it is in higher conditon, but a later gun. I would expect that asking prices could be up to $1,200 - $1,500.


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Thanks,

I think it is actually an earlier gun than the one skeettx linked. My gun has a 1951 date code.

I'll try to post pictures later.

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Personally, I prefer the older Fox Model B's to the later "Tarted" up versions. The older ones were just plain working guns, the later ones to me just look Cheap & Gaudy.


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Fox Model B – The Fox Model B in 12-, 16- and 20-gauges was introduced by a flyer inserted in some of Savage’s 1939 Fox catalogues –



and with the .410-bore added was included in the 1940 Fox catalogue put out by Savage.



The 1940 retail price was $25. The Model B was offered in 12-, 16-, and 20-gauges and .410-bore. Pre-WW-II guns had frames with a black gun-metal finish. The Fox Model B shared many parts with Savage’s Stevens-built 5100 action doubles, Stevens No. 530 and several Springfield models. Essentially the internal parts of a Stevens No. 530 put in a somewhat nicer profiled and decorated frame, with a bit nicer stock and forearm. By January 22, 1945, the retail price of the Model B was up to $34.50. Between 1946 and 1947, Savage Arms Corp. left Utica, NY, and consolidated their gun making operations at their old J. Stevens factories in Chicopee Falls, Mass. In the 1947 Savage-Stevens-Fox-Springfield catalog the frame was listed as case hardened.

Through the 1954 catalogue the Model B remained a double trigger, plain extractor, slim forearm utility gun. In the 1955 catalogue Savage added a Model BST which got a non-selective single trigger and a beavertail forearm. The offerings were the same for 1956 thru 1958.

By the 1960 catalogue the B and the BST got ventilated ribs. Between the 1960 and 1961 catalogues, Savage/Stevens/Fox moved from Chicopee Falls to the new factory at Westfield, Mass. There were no changes in the 1961 catalogue.

For 1962 a B De Luxe in 12-gauge was added with a satin chrome receiver, white-line grip cap and butt plate, checkered side panels, beavertail, ventilated rib, and gold plated non-selective single trigger. They also gold plated the trigger on the BST. There were no changes for 1963.

For 1964 the De Luxe became the BDE, and included automatic ejectors, and also was available in 20-gauge chambered for 3-inch shells. The B and BST remained unchanged.

For 1965 the B and BST 20-gauges got 3-inch chambers.

For 1966 the satin chrome BDE was gone. There was a BSE with ejectors, non-selective single trigger, satin black finish, white-line butt plate and grip cap, beavertail and ventilated rib. The Model B had double triggers, was case hardened, had a ventilated rib, and now a beavertail. Both guns now featured impressed stamped checkering. For 1967, 8, 9 and 1970 the offerings were the same. The gun control act of 1968 required Savage to start putting serial numbers on these guns.

By 1971 there was a gun called the Savage 550 which was just like the BSE but had a case hardened receiver, and was offered in 12- and 20-gauges. The text said it had precisely engineered barrels resulting in perfect balance. In the picture it appears to be a mono-bloc design?!? Also grip caps are gone from the B and BSE. Offerings for 1972 were the same – the 550 listed at $174.95, the B-SE listed at $164.95, and the B listed at $139.95.

By 1973, the BSE and 16-gauges are gone, but there is a 24-inch barrel B in 12-gauge and 20-gauge, both with 3-inch chambers.

For 1974 the Savage 550 is gone and the B-SE is back. The B-SE 12-gauge has 2 ľ inch chambers and the 12-gauge B and 24” Fox B have 3-inch chambers. All the 20-gauge and .410-bore are 3-inch chambered. No changes for 1975, 6, 7, or 8. For 1979 the grip caps are back and the double triggered B is offered with ejectors as the BE.

For 1980, cut checkering is back, but the 24-inch barrel offerings are gone – B, BE and B-SE. In 1981 the BE was gone, but the FA-1 and the FP-1 Fox autoloader and pump appeared. For 1982 the Fox offerings were B, B-SE, FA-1 and FP-1.

For 1983 the only Fox offering was the B-SE. The B-SE remained through the 1987 catalogue when its list price was $525. By the 1988 catalogue the Fox name was gone.

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I was incorrect, there is some carving on the sides of the receiver to make it look like an old A H Fox, but it is not very deep. Here are some pics, but the gun looks a lot better in person:












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I lusted after one of those when I was a kid. (Grew up shooting a Stevens .410 single.) I'd always been drawn to side by sides, and there wasn't much to choose from back in the late 50's. Was still thinking about a Savage Fox .410 when I was in high school and had saved enough $ pumping gas and fixing tires. Instead, Dad located a different "classic American" double by Savage for me: 420 over and under, 20 gauge. If you run across one of those, it will cost you a whole lot less than one of the .410 side by sides. And the .410 will feel really svelte in comparison.

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I had a 20 ga just like it and will never forget the first double I shot on bobwhites with old Duke the setter pointing them. Bobby


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