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Re: Hunting with the 9.3x57R/360
HalfaDouble
03/26/24 10:20 PM
The entire 360 family is confusing. The 360 2 1/4 BPE and the 9.3x57R(360) were black powder cartridges in essentially the same case so used BP (or for the Brit, Nitro for BP) loaded to max 28,000 PSI. The 360 2 1/4 Nitro Express used the same brass but was loaded to 34,000 PSI so for newer rifles only and marked for Nitro. The 360 #2 Nitro Express was a much larger in diameter 3 inch case with nearly twice the powder capacity and Nitro only. To add confusion, the 400-360 NE used brass in between the two in diameter and 2 3/4 inches long for Nitro only. I load my 9.3x57R(360) rifles with nitro powder at nitro for black powder levels and I would guess that the Germans did also. Early German and Swedish loads would have been BP. Husqvarna made rolling block rifles in that caliber until 1915 and recommended loads from 50 to 54 grains of BP with bullets from 160 to 195 grains in weight.
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Fort Worth Gun Show
Tamid
03/26/24 08:37 PM
I attended this show a few weeks ago. Its been about 20 years since I attended my last US gun show. MY overall impressions are what has been said on this site, 50% handguns, 25% AR platforms, 20% trinkets and food and 5% other guns. My question revolves around the other guns. There was a significant missing of used long guns for sale. Hardly a shotgun and only wall hanger sxs. Was it just the show or where do people sell their used guns?
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
KY Jon
03/26/24 08:26 PM
One large city can run roughshod over an entire state. Chicago over Illinois for example or Denver over Colorado. What a shame. Once the crazies gain power they quickly move to total control and then almost actively work to destroy the very things which made them move there in the first place like low crime, safe cities. Then they fix things until they have their dream California state, which they fled before and move again to a non California like area. Rinse, repeat and screw up things again.
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Re: Hunting with the 9.3x57R/360
Der Ami
03/26/24 07:40 PM
CJF, It seems that you are mixing terms. In the 360-2 1/4" case there was an "express" loading with a lighter bullet at a higher velocity using black power. The term "nitro for black" doesn't apply to the rifles, rather it applies to ammunition loaded by factories for black powder rifles using smokeless power at a pressure appropriate for the rifles and hopefully to "regulate" close to the black power load. Also, in the 360 2 1/4" case, there was a Nitro Express load with a 300-grain jacketed bullet at a higher velocity for use only in rifles proofed for Nitro Express ammo. Your fine Watson double rifle is not for 360 Nitro Express, but 360 Black powder Express and 360 Nitro for Black powder Express should be OK. Mike
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
John Roberts
03/26/24 06:55 PM
Absolutely worthless, unadulterated garbage. Nothing but a Democrat bureaucracy that achieves nothing other than appeasing the woke left, Satan's spawn. We now dwell in a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah... JR
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
improved modified
03/26/24 06:22 PM
So glad I don’t live in Colorado. Had a buddy move there and he was in denial about the reality of the situation. He owns class 3 stuff and he will pay the price. What the state doesn’t realize is that by offering “access to the outdoors” by disadvantaged groups is a default confession of guilt that the state of Colorado engaged in discriminatory practices in the past and now needs to rectify that.
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OT- New Colorado DOW commission
Lloyd3
03/26/24 06:10 PM
Travis Duncan Public Information Supervisor 720-595-8294 / travis.duncan@state.co.us
Colorado Parks and Wildlife announces the appointment of new Outdoor Equity Grant Board members
DENVER – The Department of Natural Resources and Colorado Parks and Wildlife today announced four new Outdoor Equity Grant Board members. The board, created by the passage of House Bill 21-1318, increases access to Colorado’s outdoors with investments in organizations that provide outdoor recreation, conservation education, and career opportunities through the Outdoor Equity Grant program.
We welcome the following newly appointed board members: • Ida Williams - A member impacted by and with experience in racial justice issues (4-year term) • Hilda Nucete - A member with experience working on conservation issues (4-year term) • Krystal Tran - A youth member from a community served by the grant (2-year term) • Omar Munoz - A youth member from a community served by the grant (1-year term) Board members were selected through an open and public application process. After careful consideration, the committee selected the final candidates from about 40 applicants, and the four new board members have now been formally appointed by Colorado Parks and Wildlife and the Department of Natural Resources.
“Congratulations to the new members of the Outdoor Equity Grant Board. In only a few short years the Board has already demonstrated significant success and impact for Colorado youth and under-represented communities in Colorado’s outdoors,” said Dan Gibbs, Executive Director of the Colorado Department of Natural Resources. “I am impressed by the new energy and youth who serve on this Board, who have stepped up as the next generation of leaders who are willing to do the hard critical work to ensure we have equal access for all Coloradans in our great outdoors.”
The board administers the Outdoor Equity Grant program and awards grants to organizations or applicants that engage youth up to age 25 and their families from underrepresented communities by providing equitable access to Colorado’s parks, outdoor recreation, conservation activities, career exploration, and job training. The traditionally excluded communities served by this program include Black, Indigenous, and people of color, American Indian and Native, LGBTQ+, those with disabilities, and low-income individuals.
“I am grateful for all the members of the Outdoor Equity Grant Board who advise Colorado Parks and Wildlife in making Colorado more equitable, inclusive, and accessible,” said CPW Director Jeff Davis. “ Every year I am impressed by this Board’s thoughtful approach to serving youth and families from diverse backgrounds across the state of Colorado, and I look forward to seeing the sustained impact this Board will have on CPW’s mission.”
About Ida Williams: Ida, born and raised in Colorado, is a member of the Santee Dakota, Oglala Lakota, Northern and Southern Cheyenne, and Ojibwe Tribes. Ida studied Accounting and Finance at University of Colorado, Denver, as an undergrad before getting her MBA at Gonzaga. She has worked across many industries throughout the state but now supports community-led philanthropic projects across Colorado through her work at Trailhead Institute. Before joining Trailhead, Ida worked with American Indian organizations and local entrepreneurs to build financial capacities and better boards of directors. Ida is deeply connected and invested in the nonprofit community, especially those serving urban American Indian Families and Youth. She also owns her own small business beautifying Coloradans. From hairbrushes to power tools, Ida loves learning and trying out new skills and crafts. When she’s not working on something, Ida can be found spending time with her big family or outdoors enjoying our own Colorful Colorado.
About Hilda Nucete: Hilda Nucete's journey is a tapestry woven with threads of advocacy, leadership, and a profound love for the outdoors. Born in a Venezuelan oil camp and raised amidst the bustling streets of Caracas, Venezuela, Hilda's path was shaped by the complexities of her homeland's political landscape. In 2007, she embarked on a life-changing move to Colorado with her family, where her awareness expanded to encompass social, racial, and environmental justice.
Professionally, Hilda's passion for positive change led her to roles such as the Protégete Program Director at Conservation Colorado, where she orchestrated impactful environmental initiatives. Currently, as the Senior Director of Civic Engagement at League of Conservation Voters, she leads voter registration programs in marginalized communities, registering over 1.5 million voters. Hilda's commitment extends beyond her professional endeavors. She served as the Co-Chair for the Health Equity Commission and chaired the Best Practices for Community Engagement Subcommittee of the Colorado Environmental Justice Action Task Force, driving transformative recommendations.
Outside of her advocacy work, Hilda finds solace and joy in Colorado's breathtaking landscapes. Her love for the outdoors not only rejuvenates her spirit, it fuels her commitment to environmental conservation and justice.
About Omar Munoz: Omar Munoz is pursuing a pre-med biology degree at the University of Colorado, with plans to advance to medical school, and works as a medical assistant and EMT with a profound commitment to supporting underrepresented populations through healthcare. Beyond these roles, Omar is also a CPR instructor, teaching life-saving skills at the clinic where he works and for his community.
Omar is deeply involved in volunteer work, assisting in teaching English and citizenship classes, and an avid outdoors enthusiast, embracing all that Colorado has to offer. From hiking and skiing to exploring the state's diverse geography, his interests in the natural world extend to its rocks, minerals, plants, and wildlife. He is driven by his passion for healthcare, education, community service, and a profound appreciation for nature.
About Krystal Tran: Born and raised in Denver, Krystal is passionate about sharing accessible green spaces in urban areas with her community members through environmental educational programs. In 2022, she graduated from Colorado State University in Environmental Science and Sustainability, Environmental Affairs. She hopes to continue addressing environmental disparities and recognize programs that have the same passion for environmental justice. In her free time, she loves to thrift, explore local businesses in the city, and take care of all her house plants.
For more information about the Outdoor Equity Grant Program, visit cpw.state.co.us.
___ The OEGP is funded with Colorado Lottery proceeds and allocates funding through grants for initiatives that focus on increasing access to the outdoors for youth and families from communities that are traditionally underrepresented in outdoor recreation and conservation. For more information, visit cpw.state.co.us.
CPW is an enterprise agency, relying primarily on license sales, state parks fees and registration fees to support its operations, including: 43 state parks and more than 350 wildlife areas covering approximately 900,000 acres, management of fishing and hunting, wildlife watching, camping, motorized and non-motorized trails, boating and outdoor education. CPW's work contributes approximately $6 billion in total economic impact annually throughout Colorado.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt
Lloyd3
03/26/24 05:12 PM
Thanks Dr. Drew! A timely article (certainly for me these days). The rotary bolt seems to be almost exclusively an American application. Smith, Baker, Fox, and Ithaca employed them endlessly and as the years pass, they keep on doing the job. Alex Brown's 1883 design is good one and in a mostly machine-made gun, they are hard to argue with. The Brits don't use them on anything "bespoke" (unless you consider the Greener cross-bolt or a 3rd-bite a variant) because they generally criticize any rib extension as another "unnecessary-encumbrance" to accessing the barrels for the loading process, and for London "Best" guns "they simply won't do". Allright...very different economic situations(!) and the Brits clearly know their market well (and make sure to build accordingly). With only a few exceptions, American guns have always tended more towards the unadorned "general-use" category anyway (historically, most American families could only afford one shotgun & it had to do it all, i.e. hunting & defense). If there was the luxury of another weapon at home, it was likely a rifle (or occasionally, a pistol) and similarly unadorned.
It was and is a purely economic game and that really is "the final word". Col. Askins was simply schilling for the home team (because "he knew where his bread was buttered"- to quote my maternal grandmother).
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Re: Lesser name gun makers.
Jimmy W
03/26/24 04:31 PM
You know something? If it weren't for people like you gentlemen, we would probably never hear about a lot of these. Thanks! We truly learn a lot from all of you!! Good Luck!!
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Re: Hunting with the 9.3x57R/360
CJF
03/26/24 03:24 PM
Just don't confuse the 360 2 1/4 & 9.3x57R(360) with the 360 Express & 360 #2 Express. No disrespect, but my Watson double rifle from 1906 is just marked "360EX" on the barrel flats. No nitro proofs. Chamber cast definitely is for a 360x2.25" rimmed case. If you're saying that a the black powder and nitro for black guns are definitely not for nitro, I totally agree. Chris
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Re: New O/U not firing 2nd barrel
eightbore
03/26/24 02:40 PM
Stan, my Beretta 20 was a special order Model 682 30" step rib trap gun made for the European market with a strong inertia system. It is the first and only step rib 20 gauge trap gun I have seen. Beretta USA fixed the trigger so it would reset with our weak 7/8 ounce target loads. I discovered the problem the first time I fired it. It has worked well for more than 40 years and is even fairly reliable with 2 1/2" .410s.
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Re: Loading the 25/ 308
gasgunner
03/26/24 02:33 PM
You could probably just use the 260 seater. Or open up a 243 seater. Midway of Grafs probably have the .260 die and assorted bushings in stock.
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Re: New O/U not firing 2nd barrel
Nitrah
03/26/24 02:21 PM
So the gun is a Rizzini S2000. I followed advice offered here and played with it at home with snap caps, hitting butt on table and it worked fine. I shot it Sunday and it worked fine. I have a BR550 that you can switch barrels with it in the off position. I believe the S2000 has to be put back on safe and then switch barrels and then push forward. Other than this issue, which may have been operator error, I love the gun
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt
eightbore
03/26/24 02:20 PM
All this rhetoric is fine, except that thousands of heavily used guns without rotary or Greener bolts are still going strong and are still tight. Parkers, Model 21 Winchesters, and Purdeys are examples. Mr. Greener seems to imply that there is a second locking bolt on a Westley Richards in the 1862 patent. There is not a second bolt, only the bolt that extends into the extension rib. I'm sure he was aware of that.
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Re: Identify German Combination 1880
Der Ami
03/26/24 02:02 PM
The seller dated the gun to the 1880s, however it shows the crown V (Vorrat Zeichnen) and as Raimey pointed out, it had not been sold as of Mar. 1893, when the 1891 proof law went into effect. G.L.Rasch was a known and respected name. GUSS-STAHL means cast steel. The shotgun barrel is said to be damascus finished, however there is a better than "good" chance that it is actual damascus. At the time the gun was made, it was pretty common to have a steel rifle barrel joined with a damascus shot gun barrel. Notwithstanding that the gun is not as old as the seller stated it is still antique(pre-1899), subject to the more lenient shipping rules. Mike
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