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Re: Gauges and payloads Jimmy W 03/28/24 01:45 PM
I don't shoot clay targets with a SxS. The gun I was referring to was a Ljutic trap gun that I patterned. They don't make a SxS. The guns I buy are quality enough to be pretty accurate. I've never owned a gun that shot off to the side or had big holes in the pattern. That Model 21 Trap I showed on here a few months ago that I had Pauline Muerelle engrave is a good example. Before I took it to Connecticut it doubled. I
had the gunsmith fix that. After I got it back I took it to the trap range and shot it. And .even though I had only put two shells through the gun before (at the same time)I ran a dozen rounds through it to make sure it didn't double and missed one target. I could tell exactly how it shot. Anybody should be able to pick up a gun and tell how it shoots after a few boxes of shells. Tom Knapp could take a field grade 870- slide it down in his shoulder pocket, stack the beads and run 25 straight trap rounds. Then he could use the same gun for dove hunting and slide it back up inhis arm and align the beads for that and never miss a bird. I do the same thing. It's not all that hard to pick up a gun and use it for clay targets and figure out how it shoots. At least not for me. And a lot of people I know. If one of my buddies came into my club with a new gun and I asked them if they were going to pattern it, they'd think I was nuts. I don't try to talk people out off patterning a gun. I just don't do it myself. But to each his own, I guess.
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Re: Reilly Side-Lever SxS .410 - 1884 Licensed to kill 03/28/24 01:37 PM
I just bought a sxs .410 hammer gun a week ago at a local gunshow. Always wanted one but never see them. It is on a properly scaled action (like the one in this thread) and is a real sweetheart. Not perfect shape but very shootable. 28" barrels and tipping the scales at a whopping 3 pounds 11 OZ. The is it next to my CZ Bobwhite 20 GA for size comparison.

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The right hammer screw is a replacement and when I took the locks out to inspect and oil, I decided to take the locks down to do a proper cleaning (they were pretty good anyways) and as soon as I put screw driver to hammer screw on the left lock (with what appeared to be the original hammer screw) the head popped off. Apparently, the screw had been twisted off and the head glued back on for show LOL. Just ordered a 5-40 die so I can make two new screws and engrave them to match the broken one. I might make the heads just a titch smaller so they don't overwhelm the hammers like the ones on it.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission craigd 03/28/24 01:35 PM
No big deal cback, you may recall I’ve had some of the same thoughts, on and off, as you are expressing now. Let’s give you the win here, on the subject of empirical data?

I’m wondering why there’s willful ignoring of my hope that results can be shown. However it is painted, I can recognize this thread as an empirical data win for the left, success, proof, what have you. Is less of a loss, a win, sure, but on whose landscape?

One way, I’m certain not the best, is to recall how much fun, I believe you said you had in the US Dakotas, shooting pistols? I can see and understand empirical wins for the left, but it’s not the same situation for places that have already lost, in many more quantifiable ways? I choose to narrow the conversation to locales that I perceive are on the cusp of losing far morel?

So, we have your strategy of taking on the left with an ineffective version of itself, and then we have the mentioned apathy, and then we have our friends at the shooting range and in the field, voting against us.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt BrentD, Prof 03/28/24 01:24 PM
Actually, my grouse gun has only 2 under logs.It is a kimball skimmin and wood british gun. But it shoots only 7/8 oz loads at under sixty five hundred psi.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt ChiefAmungum 03/28/24 01:18 PM
Whew! Happy you explained the voice texting! Thought you'd stripped a gear!

I refer you to page one, Eightbore's post RE double underlugs. He is spot on. I don't think a Win. 21 would balk at about whatever you could fire in it!

Chief
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt BrentD, Prof 03/28/24 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by ChiefAmungum
Thanks Parabola for showing a certainly not low end gun with the inclined slot/doll's head rib extension. For Brent's edification has it ever popped open on firing?

And Brent, I don't believe that, you twist! I believe the Merkle has double underlugs and crossbolt? Not one lug and crossbolt? I remember you have or have had in your estimation a soulless, ugly Ithaca/SKB. Double underlug, rarely single underlug. Still get it out for Grouse?

Chief

You said one locking system. I took that to mean one locking lug. Regardless, I would not shoothe ammo that?I run through my miracle in a two Underlog action.

No the s k b does not go grouse hunting or really much of anything else. I sure as hell would not want to hunt turkeys with it although others might.
My apologies for the strange verbiage.This voice to text it's not very effective and I don't have time to fix it
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Re: Identify German Combination 1880 ellenbr 03/28/24 12:47 PM
Although I haven't seen all the embellishment, I don't think this engraving is the typical G.L. Rasch engraving by the Brunswick engraver(s). I was trying to remember the name associated with it: Rascher......


https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/feature-articles/larrys-article/

Some info here & apparently the RAF destroyed all the records.....

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt ChiefAmungum 03/28/24 12:40 PM
Thanks Parabola for showing a certainly not low end gun with the inclined slot/doll's head rib extension. For Brent's edification has it ever popped open on firing?

And Brent, I don't believe that, you twist! I believe the Merkle has double underlugs and crossbolt? Not one lug and crossbolt? I remember you have or have had in your estimation a soulless, ugly Ithaca/SKB. Double underlug, rarely single underlug. Still get it out for Grouse?

Chief
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission canvasback 03/28/24 12:33 PM
Originally Posted by craigd
Originally Posted by earlyriser
One thing I try to do is be the very best hunter-conservationist I can....

....have stewardship cred that can’t be challenged. If hunters walk—the-walk I think we’ll keep our place on the landscape.
I know beyond any doubt, that your first line is unquestionable for many of us, but I believe we all know there is a shrinking landscape. If hunters walk the walk, shouldn't they have a say in what their place is.

Why won't anyone ask, why were songbirds brought up at this meeting, and what was the motivation? Were songbirds brought up in the context of an entire ecosystem, or as an incidental antihunting point to fire up that base. Does context matter. If any of those who gave you a like, said they've never seen hunting grounds closed due to a non game species lobbying effort, would anyone believe them.

You challenge me to show some empirical evidence and then do so yourself. You are being wilfully obtuse and a great example why the left of centre has been eating the right of centre's lunch for 60 years. You think you can limit the issue to just the US. Or just teenage ecology groups? Simply laughable Craig. I don't know why you are arguing with me about this, as the evidence is everywhere, except an utter unwillingness to concede ANY point to the other side. The Right fails to learn again and again. Why do you think the younger crowd is currently so enamoured with socialism? Despite it's abject failure everywhere at every point in time? It's because it's activists won't give up. They infiltrated our educational system, and through that our media and they won't stop.

I'm making a point about tactics and you respond as though we have different objectives. Nutty!
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission craigd 03/28/24 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by earlyriser
One thing I try to do is be the very best hunter-conservationist I can....

....have stewardship cred that can’t be challenged. If hunters walk—the-walk I think we’ll keep our place on the landscape.
I know beyond any doubt, that your first line is unquestionable for many of us, but I believe we all know there is a shrinking landscape. If hunters walk the walk, shouldn't they have a say in what their place is.

Why won't anyone ask, why were songbirds brought up at this meeting, and what was the motivation? Were songbirds brought up in the context of an entire ecosystem, or as an incidental antihunting point to fire up that base. Does context matter. If any of those who gave you a like, said they've never seen hunting grounds closed due to a non game species lobbying effort, would anyone believe them.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt Parabola 03/28/24 12:14 PM
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Westley Richards relied on the top extension alone in their early hammer breech-loaders as well as the first Anson and Deeley actions (seen here in an Edwinson Green c.1880).

As I understand it, when a double under bolt is properly fitted the entire load (in the absence of excessive action flexing or some failure) is taken by the rear bite the front bite acting as a reserve.

Add a top extension and whether the load is taken by the rear bottom bolt and/or the top extension is a matter of how well fitted each bolt is.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt BrentD, Prof 03/28/24 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by ChiefAmungum
Disagree if you like. I imagine there is a lot more story to that broken rib extension than the obvious. By the way the Merkle could suffer similar damage, a rib extension is a rib extension.

I would ask, had the Merkle only had one locking system or the other would you have not bought it? Several other criteria that I look at first. Configuration, fit, condition, weight, balance etc. Would I buy a Merkle, sure! Seek one out solely because of its locking scheme, no.

Chief

No I would not have bought it.I would definitely not have bought it, had it only one locking lug or mechanism.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt ChiefAmungum 03/28/24 12:06 PM
Disagree if you like. I imagine there is a lot more story to that broken rib extension than the obvious. By the way the Merkle could suffer similar damage, a rib extension is a rib extension.

I would ask, had the Merkle only had one locking system or the other would you have not bought it? Several other criteria that I look at first. Configuration, fit, condition, weight, balance etc. Would I buy a Merkle, sure! Seek one out solely because of its locking scheme, no.

Chief
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt BrentD, Prof 03/28/24 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by ChiefAmungum
Overkill, Brent. Not overbuilt. Overkill as in unnecessary, belt and suspenders. From an engineering standpoint either method would be adequate on its own. As stated, most low enders only have a rib extension with the inclined slot. I've never seen one fly open!

I disagree. Drew just showed us an example.
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Re: Gauges and payloads Stanton Hillis 03/28/24 11:33 AM
Owning and using a double gun that is not regulating, and “adapting to it” makes as much sense as buying a rifle that has adjustable sights and never shooting to see where it hits until you figure out it is off by a few inches, than using Kentucky windage to adapt to it, instead of adjusting the sights.

A shotgun can be made to shoot to POA by several different means, and a S x S can often be made to regulate with a certain load. That’s just accepted fact. You obviously enjoy running against the wind, JimmyW. Carry on.
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Re: Identify German Combination 1880 ellenbr 03/28/24 11:28 AM
Jani, I think it was a >>trade-in<< or maybe the original custodian or commissioner had passed and an heir wanted something different or nothing @ all.

I can't remember right off without some diggin', but if a Jäger expired, was his wife or were his heirs & assigns legally assigned his sporting arms without additional paperwork?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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Re: 8 ga. load using Longshot 1 /18 oz. shot greener4me 03/28/24 09:18 AM
The Parker Gun Collectors Ass'n have a number of 8 bore users who participate in clay shooting with reduced loads. Perhaps an enquiry on that website would elicit the required information on reduced loads.
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt ChiefAmungum 03/28/24 08:23 AM
Overkill, Brent. Not overbuilt. Overkill as in unnecessary, belt and suspenders. From an engineering standpoint either method would be adequate on its own. As stated, most low enders only have a rib extension with the inclined slot. I've never seen one fly open!
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Re: Reilly Side-Lever SxS .410 - 1884 KY Jon 03/28/24 03:24 AM
December 2023 Sealed Bid Auction : Sale S1223 Lot 8556
E.M. REILLY & CO. .410 DOUBLE-BARRELLED SIDELEVER HAMMERGUN, serial no. 25853,

Estimate £15-25

S2 - Sold as a Section 2 Firearm under the 1968 Firearms Act

Please note that guns sold as Stock, Action and Fore-end only are sold without barrels. The original barrels may be available for sleeving purposes, but will only be released cut in the approved manner as per Proof House guidelines. Please note there is a charge of £10 per item for this service. Please note Stock, Action & Fore-end guns are sold as licensable items and will need to be entered onto an appropriate licence before being released. If, subsequently, licensable parts are left with Holts for destruction, a £25 handling charge will be levied

This was a stock, action and fore-end gun. Holt's will absolutely not sell a gun they know is out of proof. It would cost them a lot of money to do so. Click on your link and you will see the disclaimer.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission craigd 03/28/24 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by canvasback
....You can say that stuff Craig but the empirical evidence across NA, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand says I’m right....
Thanks cback. I admit that I'd prefer to limit the discussion to the US for reasons that you might predict, but I'd share if it helps. Anyway, I'd be open to being pointed towards any empirical evidence that has worked for any issue, right of center. If you will, it can't be an issue that the left capitulates on, such as defund then fund the police again?

I'll edit to add that I can appreciate your passion for this broad strategy, but I didn't criticize the theory, I disagree with your conclusion of prof's example.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission Ted Schefelbein 03/28/24 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by gunny
so what the F#$% can we do about it besides bitchn to the choir. does anyone have a solution?

Good grief, that's simple.

This "board" governs only a puffy, little grant program for mostly children and not the governing board for the Colorado Parks and Wildlife? Maybe you missed that.

Did you, your children, or grandchildren apply for the board? There were only 40 applications.

Now YOU could propose a program for a hunting or shooting activities on Colo public lands that would recruit new hunters and shooters to the outdoors and even receive some of this grant money to do it. You are all about recruiting new young people to the sports, not just providing new things for people already engaged, right?

Or you could, entirely independent of the Colorado Parks and Wildlife, host youth activities to recruit new people to the ranks?

Nah. I didn't think so either. But if you want to get anywhere productive, you have to leave the comfort of "the choir" and start talking to the people that scare you so.

Fire away.


I’m going to bet that filing with the board to begin a youth firearms safety course might not fit the social justice theme that runs through the rather sad resume’s posted above.

Just a guess.

Best,
Ted
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission canvasback 03/28/24 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by craigd
Originally Posted by canvasback
Much as I hate to agree with Brent, he's right.

The "Right" constantly gets outflanked by the "Left" because the Left is filled with activists that work for the long haul. Generational. This DEI stuff, wokeism, whatever you want to call it. the infringement on gun and property rights blah blah blah ad nauseaum, didn't happen overnight. it has been a long time coming.
No, cback, the prof is not. If he isn't flat out wrong, he's at least a hypocrit. Bottom line, his feel good opinion has nothing to do with science that he often belittles others about. It is as predictable as a dem playing the race or gender card, run the other way when all they bring is an emotional tug on heartstrings, by invoking children.

Steve and Brent would you do a courtesy revisit some time about specific numbers of kids, who join school/club shooting teams, claim to have a responsible parent purchase one or more weekend recreational arm, purchased a youth hunting license in their name, etc. Or, maybe we look the other way, when it comes to results.


You can say that stuff Craig but the empirical evidence across NA, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand says I’m right. I’m not talking just about teenage eco hunter programs. I’m talking about all of society. The vast majority of people who get up in the morning a dedicate their day to activism in support of some cause are on the Left.
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Re: Hunting with the 9.3x57R/360 CJF 03/28/24 02:00 AM
Thanks Mike. I really like the Watson too! Probably once a month it comes out of the safe, and I think how lucky I am to have been able to acquire it. Pleasant to shoot, accurate, and plenty of gun for what I hunt.

Regards,
Chris
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission craigd 03/28/24 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Yeah, Brent's right here. Older conservative folks just don't want to get involved and then this happens. If you're even remotely comfortable, you usually just don't care and only want to be left alone. I get it.

Slouching towards Gomorra. Bork had it right.
To expand on my comment to cback, the resumes and agendas that you listed are a significant amount of unrelated, negative baggage, to simply be dismissed because children are invoked.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission craigd 03/28/24 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by canvasback
Much as I hate to agree with Brent, he's right.

The "Right" constantly gets outflanked by the "Left" because the Left is filled with activists that work for the long haul. Generational. This DEI stuff, wokeism, whatever you want to call it. the infringement on gun and property rights blah blah blah ad nauseaum, didn't happen overnight. it has been a long time coming.
No, cback, the prof is not. If he isn't flat out wrong, he's at least a hypocrit. Bottom line, his feel good opinion has nothing to do with science that he often belittles others about. It is as predictable as a dem playing the race or gender card, run the other way when all they bring is an emotional tug on heartstrings, by invoking children.

Steve and Brent would you do a courtesy revisit some time about specific numbers of kids, who join school/club shooting teams, claim to have a responsible parent purchase one or more weekend recreational arm, purchased a youth hunting license in their name, etc. Or, maybe we look the other way, when it comes to results.
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