Jaqua's listed "ball 'n' shot" gun from well regared Belfast maker recently (they didn't even get the spelling of the name right, and that's one of the better shops out there ) For approx. $2500 you can play with conicals for that thing (a 65mm money pit). Someone posted pics of targets after shooting WR 'Fungeta'? with hand loaded ammo. I hate to tell you, but my old '87 Deerslayer' with fixed 25" barrel could shoot circles around it.