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Cerberus- the three headed doggie that guards the gates of Hades- how does that figure into Remington gun production??? RWTF

I'd put my older Belgie mfg. A-5 12 against any gas operated Remmie self-loading shotgun. Just like with the: M-1 Garand, BAR, M-14 US military rifles with a gas piston, fouling often occurs after repetitive firing, whether from a fox-hole or a duck blind.RWTF

RWTF, My Remington 31L in 12g. weighs 6lbs. 2 oz with a 30" barrel.

The recoil guns have their own set of problems.

Modern propellants have largely eliminated the 'fouling' problem with auto shotguns. An 1100 run with Titewad or Clays or virtually any current factory shell except the South American garbage will go for an entire weekend of target shooting without any maintenance. It was not always so.

A Garand that stops functioning because of powder residue would be a rare case. Those gas pistons erode, but it takes a very long time and the operating rods can be rebuilt. Competitors shoot their match rifles for years and never take the gas cylinder off or the action off the stock. They purposely avoid that yet the rifles keep running reliably.

For your info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

Back in the 80s when I duck hunted obsessively, I experimented with my Grandfather's Model 11 while my hunting partner continued to bang away with his 1100. There was no doubt which was more reliable in the dead of winter on sandbars. The 1100 every time. And all the ammo was factory.

RWTF: They sure did. Starting in early 1941 (just before the war), Remington made some 12-bore M31 aluminum receivers. WWII evidently stopped all non-military production until about 1946-7 when Remington resumed M31 12-gauge aluminum receiver production. The model was called the 31L for "lightweight". By 1948 (as I remember it) they began sub-gauge production, starting with 20s and then later that year, 16s. I now own two, a 20 and a 16. Both weigh about 5 1/2 pounds empty. They weren't designed for competition use or any high-volume shooting, but... of-course many were used exactly that way, leading to cracked receivers and dependability issues (hardened steel parts inside an aluminum receiver will inevitably cause wear issues). Remington clearly couldn't afford a reputation problem so they ended M31L production around 1952, which is a shame because they work just fine for hunting use.



My 20 with a Colorado Bolete mushroom. The anodized-black receiver is a dead giveaway that it's a lightweight gun.

They feel strange when you first pick one up (because you're expecting 8 plus pounds, not 5 1/2) but the balance is still quite good and, of course, they carry wonderfully. My exclusively pump-gun shooting (then 70-year old) father-in-law was having problems carrying his almost 9-lb (loaded) 870 Express around all day back in 2010. I found the 16 bore M31L for him then and he proceeded to kill mounds of ruffed grouse with it for the last 10-years or so. He really loved it.

Wow- that's getting down into Ithaca Featherlight territory. Shoot a box of 2&3/4" Express loads through that M31 and let me know how the recoil effect was- like my 7&1/2 lb. 12 gauge M12's, the 3" Mag is 8&1/2 lbs. with the lead weight removed from the butt cavity. RWTF

Never used Wikipedia-- but not at all surprised to read that the founder is a "Gentleman(??)of the Hebrew persuasion, like Georgie Soros and Bloomberg. Fact of life I guess. RWTF

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