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Hollenbeck drilling:12guage over .25-25 Stevens:handed down through my family.Very tight and in excellent condition. According to 1908 Prospectus: "rifle-barrels are made from special high-grade nickel steel,...having a tensile strength of over 110,000 lbs. to the square inch, and an elastic limit of over 100,000 lbs. The lug is 7/8-in. wide constructed of tool steel, which reinforsec the barrel at the point where the explosion occurs...Our Three-Barrel Guns are made to handle all regular standard loads of smokeless or black powder...the rifle barrels will shoot the full jacketed,soft nose, or tempered lead bullets...calibres:32-40,30-30,25-35,25-25 and 25-20...12,16 and shot barrels,28 in. long." Can I hand load the .25-25 Stevens with IMR 4350 and Nosler 85 gr ballistic tip,put a .308 insert in one of the 12 guage barrels and mount a Zeiss 30mmtube,1.5X6X42 with a pivot or claw mount after a highly regared antique gunsmith clears my plan? That "rust-belt" gunsmith suggested this forum to help with loading the .25-25 Stevens!
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The 25-25 is a very small cartridge and is more suited to a faster powder, 4350 is even too slow for the 25-35, a much larger cartridge. The 25-25 might even be too slow for the 85gr NBT to open. There is a 85/86gr flatnose jacketed bullet that would be much more suited to the small cartridge. There are also bulk lubed cast lead from Meister bullets in 85grains that are very easy on the old rifles barrel, I use them for small game in my various 25's. The old 25-25 was never more than a small game cartridge
If the old Hollenbeck is in good original condition you would be much better off finding a used German drilling and using it. You can find one for less than you would spend on a regulateable insert(to adjust POI to match the 25-25 barrel) scope and bases.
I paid $1100 for a nice drilling in 6.5x58R Sauer 16ga with claw mounts and a Hensodlt scope. It will shoot sub MOA groups to 200 meters, power is equivalent to a 25-35 Win.
After the first shot the rest are just noise.
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I'm guessing the pressures of a .308 would reduce a Hollenbeck to rubble.
About fifty years ago, I saw the remains of one at Central Loan in Seattle, that some goof ball had rechambered from .30 WCF to .30-40 Krag.
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Researcher, I agree with Oscar, but on the other hand, the chamber insert or insert barrel should hold the pressure. I don't have a 25-25, but in cartridges of that class, I like Unique or 4198/4227. Mike
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thanks Oskar, how about 3031 like I use in my 30 30 Ackley: it's fast powder I think? I have a 16 guage over 7x57R drilling with 22mag insert and Hensoldt scope with claw mounts, bought it in Germany in 1982 while in the Army, I love it and hunt with it alot: I want this Hollenbeck to be comparable. You're right about the extra cost but this Hollenbeck was hidden and just surfaced and I want to give it new life. Probably originally owned by my great grandfather: must have been a hek of a turkey gun in it's day. Sounds like insert with .308 a viable option as Der Ami points out. Researcher scared me and I appreciate the cautious approach. Wish I could find more loading data for 25-25, got a few suggestions from loaddata.com thanks: great forum
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If you insist on using a 308 in this gun, would you please list me as a beneficiary on you insurance papers?? AND since you have other suitable guns, use them AND then find a game and condition in which the Hollenbeck would be useful. You do not disclose a location. If in the South I surely would use it turkey hunting Mike
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I think the problem with the .308 would not be on the insert or chamber themselves. It's more what the back pressure from the high intensity round would do to the action. Head area of the .308 is approximately 1/3 that of the 12ga, but the pressure of the .308 is on the order of 5 times that of the 12. You would have a lot more back thrust against the standing breech.
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Great info Skeettx, I will get some loaded shells, no problem using gun for what it was intended but would like safe insert cabable of humanely dispatching white tailed deer: the 25-25 will be fine for coyote and the like. Rearding the scope, I already have the 1.5x6 Zeiss and my vision is too poor for open sights. I believe the 12 guage is 3 inch: wonder what buck shot or turkey shot I could safely shoot? Any tips on die for the 25-25? Found one at Huntington Die Soec. Is Unique hard to clean like black powder? Does such areduced charge give accuracy problems? Wonder what's in the black powder loaded shells from Buffalo Arms Co? Thanks, this such great info
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I won't disclose my location (R0ll Tide) but Coyote and feral hogs are a big prolem here, not to mention too many deer: What insert would you be comfortable with with since the 1908 Hollenbeck prospectus says "high grade nickel steel,the lug is 7/8 in wide constructed of tool steel" The Hollenbeck was originally chambered in 30 30 Win. Very good point 2-piper, let's forget the .308 idea
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