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Stan you hit it with a stray pellet....spreader load smeder load.  I was patterning an extremely tight shooting turkey gun at 40 yards and had a can of spray paint lying on the ground a good 10 yards to the side of the target. I had probably made 10 or 15 shots when all of the sudden a stray pellet hit the can and let all my paint out.
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Don't confuse him with facts, jOe. If you haven't ever seen it, it's hard to believe ..... but, it happens. All the time.
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I'm with Ted on this one. I don't use spreader loads, just in case. 25 years ago a dog caught a pellet in the lung on a hunt I was on from another hunter, you know the result. I didn't touch my shotgun to hunt or shoot clays for almost a year.
Facts about spreaders can be debated forever, but once you witness such a thing you NEVER forget. If anything, it has made me overly cautious around dogs, if that's possible. After all these years, I can still see that terrible moment.
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That "Let'em Get Outta Ways" only works when you're in open terrain.
there are many, many situations where one simply does not have that option. For instance . . . most grouse and woodcock hunting. Someone once said that especially for woodcock, no choke is often more than you need. Of course you always need to pattern to see what your particular choke/load combination will produce. But going by "the book" on patterns, cylinder should give you a 70% pattern at 25 yards. I've shot a whole lot of woodcock, but darned few further away than 25 yards. And a bunch a whole lot closer.
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Don't confuse him with facts, jOe. If you haven't ever seen it, it's hard to believe ..... but, it happens. All the time.
SRH
Oh I can buy the "stray pellet" theory. Thing is, the incident of which I speak featured 7-9 of them. I would like to know precisely what happened that day, but, neither of us could see the black and tan setter, or, the grouse, until he had about 20 feet of elevation, out of some very dense cover. The dog could have been on point with the bird pinned between him and us. It was not uncommon for that dog to point birds 20-30 yards away in dense cover. Did the load strike a tree or branch shortly out of the muzzle? Was there a problem with the load itself? The angle of the shot taken would have seemed to preclude anything on ground level being hit, but, there you have it. Facts were hard to come by, in hindsight. The actual facts that were, and, are today available are pretty much limited to a spreader in 16 gauge was used, and a dog was struck. Once was enough for me. I own no spreaders at this point, but, I have some guns with little or no choke in them. No issues with dogs or people taking pellets since, which, is a good thing. Larry, I haven't shot many woodcock at 25 yards, either. Getting to be a pretty small target past that. Best, Ted
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Ted/Karl:
I'd never heard that about spreader loads, but it's good to know.
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And, as far as our common ground ..... Hey! we both like Perazzis!  SRH some would call that meager but WTF do they know?  have another day Dr.WtS
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Larry, I haven't shot many woodcock at 25 yards, either. Getting to be a pretty small target past that.
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They do look pretty darned small further out than that, for sure. Likely worse with my aging eyesight. Young guy like you, Ted . . . you can't use that excuse . . . yet. 
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I'm with Ted on this one. I don't use spreader loads, just in case. 25 years ago a dog caught a pellet in the lung on a hunt I was on from another hunter, you know the result. I didn't touch my shotgun to hunt or shoot clays for almost a year.
Facts about spreaders can be debated forever, but once you witness such a thing you NEVER forget. If anything, it has made me overly cautious around dogs, if that's possible. After all these years, I can still see that terrible moment.
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Don't confuse him with facts, jOe. If you haven't ever seen it, it's hard to believe ..... but, it happens. All the time.
SRH
Oh I can buy the "stray pellet" theory. Thing is, the incident of which I speak featured 7-9 of them. I would like to know precisely what happened that day, but, neither of us could see the black and tan setter, or, the grouse, until he had about 20 feet of elevation, out of some very dense cover. The dog could have been on point with the bird pinned between him and us. It was not uncommon for that dog to point birds 20-30 yards away in dense cover. Did the load strike a tree or branch shortly out of the muzzle? Was there a problem with the load itself? The angle of the shot taken would have seemed to preclude anything on ground level being hit, but, there you have it. Facts were hard to come by, in hindsight. The actual facts that were, and, are today available are pretty much limited to a spreader in 16 gauge was used, and a dog was struck. Once was enough for me. I own no spreaders at this point, but, I have some guns with little or no choke in them. No issues with dogs or people taking pellets since, which, is a good thing. Larry, I haven't shot many woodcock at 25 yards, either. Getting to be a pretty small target past that. Best, Ted I don't use spreader loads nor do I ever figure I will....I've never been involved in a hunting accident but I do know when any accident happens the parties at fault are all looking for a way out. I was quail hunting with a group of hunters and as one of them approached the pointing dog he had his gun pointed right at the dog....I suggested he might do better if he raised his gun up over the dogs but he went right back to doing it. The owner of the dogs/father in law to the man never said a word to him. I tried to watch and see if he had his safety off but couldn't ever tell but this guy could have easily shot the dog. Bottom line....some idiots shouldn't be around guns or dogs.
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