Craig, you have a comment to make on the effectiveness of lead 4's? And I didn't start this thread. Just commented--including providing some information on down-range velocity of steel vs lead 4's--on the subject at hand. But I keep hearing babble from the peanut gallery about stuff that hasn't a thing to with the effectiveness of lead 4's. I'd think that between you and Keith--since you suggest that you have the smarts to discriminate between good science and "junk" science--you could manage to start a new topic on whatever it is you really want to talk about. Rather than making "junk" posts that have nothing at all to do with the subject at hand.