Originally Posted By: AmarilloMike
Ken that is what your state voted for.

You are free to move.

You are free to stay.

You are free to change those jobs to "bid" jobs if you can get the votes.

But in the mean time those public employees made a deal. They made a deal with your elected representatives. Your elected representatives provided a package of wages, health insurance, and pension benefits. The teachers showed up, did their job, and spent their work life in that teaching job. Their pension benefits were earned. Their pension benefits are not dole, they are not welfare, the teachers are not receiving something for nothing. They are a direct result of a contract between that public employee and that public entity that they worked for. Again, they are not "suckers" but just receiving the payout of a contractual obligation.

How about the people living off their stocks and bonds? Are they "suckers", receiving something for nothing? Or did they give up some consumption in their younger years to provide for their older years. If they bought Microsoft stock in the early nineties and held it to this day are they unworthy of that wealth? Should they be shunned as "takers"?


I'm not sure where the "Sucker" label came from, I must have missed it earlier in the thread.

I never voted to award a monopoly to any union. I also never voted to compensate a public employee at double the free market rate. Both are contrary to my individual freedom and equality, as I have to give up my economic freedom in order for both of those things to occur. Freedom is not an issue of majority "Mob Rule". That's exactly how the religious statists rationalize what is happening now, a circumvention of the Constitution.

They are receiving contractual compensation from a government entity that had ZERO fiduciary responsibility or liability, they used "other people's money" in order to buy votes.

Government unions should be abolished. As should the monopolies granted to private sector ones.

And yes, compensation of government workers that is above that a similar worker makes in the private sector is a form of Welfare. It's another form of unconstitutional vote-buying.

Last edited by Ken61; 09/23/14 06:17 PM.

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