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Lets see who the real "hostage takers" are now !
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/...t-Media-Complex

Who are the "hostage-takers" now? Convinced by opinion polls that the media will let them get away with it, Democrats are now refusing to pass a "clean" continuing resolution to end the government shutdown, as well as a straightforward debt ceiling increase, in order to undo the sequester cuts that went into effect earlier this year. They are the ones holding a gun to Republicans' heads, threatening default if their demands are not met.

"Just like Obamacare, the sequester--passed in the Budget Control Act of 2011--is the "law of the land." And yet Democrats want to undo it--or else they will keep nearly 400,000 federal employees out of work and let the country risk not paying its bills. Where is the outrage at this disgusting hypocrisy?"

Is it possible that what you see as a problem, might in fact be part of the only consistent foreign policy message that this admin is able to muster. Could be raising our status in the world community by leveling the playing field and the destruction of American exceptionalism.

I wonder if a foreign state controlled news agency is honoring the president with a direct message or if the chinese are bypassing channels and going directly to the American people out of respect for the president.

King,
its not just Moody's its SIMPLE MATH,that proves we can indeed pay our debt-and SS and a lot more when the debt ceiling hits. What is a real issue is the fact that we must stop this deficit or the next generation will have a REAL depression to deal with !

No option? In reality, we have more than enough cash to pay our debts. Revenues flowing into federal coffers exceed our debt payments by nearly 12-to-1.

Sure, if we breached the debt ceiling, we would have to cut federal spending elsewhere and shut down some unnecessary functions of government � a kind of Super Sequester. But our debts would be paid.

Same is true with Social Security. But Lew and other Democrats have warned that even Social Security payments are in jeopardy if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Say what? Social Security is a pay-as-you-go program. By law, the money coming in should go straight out to retirees � not to a spendthrift Congress.

They know this. But, as in so much else with this administration, creating chaos is more important than telling the truth.

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When our credit rating was downgraded the last time, it was as much because we haven't controled the debt.If we keep raising the debt limit, we will get to the point that we can't pay the interest, much less the principle.The answer is more revenue, and the answer to "more revenue" is more production/jobs;not as the Democrats believe, more taxes.We can only improve things by manufacturing, mining, or growing more."Services" don't produce anything tangible.We need to drill more oil/gas and mine more coal, and sell it to the world.If we sell more than the Arabs, Russians, and China;the price is driven down and they become beholden to us,rather than us to them.As long as others have more dollars than we do, the dollar will be worthless.Forget about borrowing; produce, produce, produce.
Mike

"Liberal Child Abuse !"

"The simple fact is that with a $17,000,000,000,000 national debt, our children and our children's children will be paying it off. Essentially, every time we raise the debt ceiling, we're borrowing money from our children -- breaking into their piggy banks and taking their wages to enhance our lifestyles. That's the exact opposite of what people who love children do. When you love children, you sacrifice your own lifestyle to improve theirs

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You have interesting aspects I hadn't considered, Craig. No one has figured the Chinese as well as Kissinger and a few others. All we know is that they play the long game with great dividends in the US, now their biggest customer, and among developing countries in Africa. It's sort of here's help with no strings attached like the West although the recipients know there's no such thing as a free lunch. But it works to elevate Chinese influence.

King,

lets do some basic math,
How much does the US gov owe on debt service every month ?
How much does it bring in ?

I don't know, Dave. Except debt to me isn't the issue. And from what you've said about the simple math, it isn't an issue with you. It's usually the thing behind the thing that's the thing, as a Scottish teacher used to say, and the thing behind the thing is obamacare. The United States is still rich and powerful; it can look after debt and obamacare, as other less dynamic and poorer countries do.

I'm sure the citizens of Greece felt much the same way...."our government can afford to pay me".....until it couldn't.

Is this what you taught your children about sound personal fiscal behavior. Did you encourage them to max out their loans, mortgages and credit cards?

King this is crazy reasoning. I'm not a chicken little but surely to God you understand that at some point, even the US will run out of the ability to carry it's debt and discharge it's responsibilities. Interest rates now are at near record lows, have been for a decade or longer. But all of us remember when rates were much higher.

When you make statements like that, it sounds like you say it in such a cavalier manner that you actually wish for the collapse.

You're only half right, laddie. (as usual)

The "thing" behind this thing is NOT ObamaCare.

It's tyranny. Led by a malevolent Manchurian Candidate and his vile cabal of social criminals.

(see, your only half Scots... or half something)