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I've had for some time a copy of a not very good translation from the original French. Puraye' quotes part of this, and states it is from 1884. PeteM has a similar copy on his site from 1900. Peter Dyson has an exerpt on his site also. It is possible that it was part of the 1884 London Exposition and the 1900 Paris Exposition



It's long, but interesting, and I highlighted some statements that Steve Culver might be able to explain.


Manufacture of Damascus Gun-Barrels
E. Heuse-Lemoine 1884

(Translated from the original French)

Considering the extraordinary development and the many improvements which have taken place during these last few years in manufacturing the Damascus barrels for sporting arms, especially since the United States of America and Great Britain have imported our products, we think it would be useful to publish these following few lines about this kind of work.

What is known generally that the sporting arms are provided with Damascus barrels, but most sportsman are ignorant of the method and manner in which these Damascus Barrels are manufactured.

We shall try to give here an idea of its making.

Let us say that Liege, so renowned for its sporting guns, no more than London and Paris does not possess a single barrel-maker for manufacturing sporting guns. This part of the fire-arm being a specialty in the general manufacturing of guns in the particular industry of numerous works (Forges) of the Valley of Vesdre from where every year, hundreds and thousands of barrels are made and supplied to the gun makers at Liege, and also to many others, all over the world, but more especially to the English an American.

Our barrel industry only reached this enormous productions and gained such an extent on account of its excessive cheapness which results partly from the low rate of wages paid even the most skilled workmen; and partly from the advantageous geographical situation of this part of our country which is in a small area combines all indispensable elements to this industry.

First: The river La Vesdre and all its tributaries are driving a great number of hydraulical wheels which economical motive power is used for boring, polishing, turning, and grinding the barrels.

Second: The coal pits of the Highland of Herve are situated close at hand which furnish the necessary fuel to the Damascus works; and it is worthy to be noted that these mines furnish a special kind of coal, scarcely to be found anywhere else and is very suitable for our barrel-smiths who we dare say are very skillful at their art, having never done anything else in their life. It is not to be that these men must become first rate masters in the art of forging, if we consider that the average number of heatings to soldering heat, a barrel receives at least a 150 for the fine Damascus tube, being 300 heatings for a double barrel and that if one of these heats has not well succeeded, that is to say the barrel has not received its rigorous precise temperature, the tube may be spoiled, either by the alteration of the Damascus, or by the traces of even the smallest want of soldering; you can easily imagine the skill which these workmen possess.

From the remotest times, this industry of gun-barrel manufacturing has been practised in the Valley of the Vesdre from Nessonvaux to Chaudfontaine. Under the first French empire, our renowned barrel-smiths furnished the contingent of work people for the Imperial manufactories. At that time all the barrels for military guns were forged by hand; the preparing of the iron for these barrels was exclusively performed with charcoal and the superiority of this iron to that preparation with coaks is well known, in our day of the speciality of fire-arms as we shall show a little for further.

Now let us come to our subject: the Damascus barrel which constitutes not only the chief, the essential part of the fire-arm, may be said to have become a master-piece, for it has maintained its place during the incessant progress accomplished in a few years, in firearms. We say in a few years, for indeed, half a century ago, the Damascus Manufacturing was only in its childhood, it was only when the fulminate was used instead of flintstone that we may say Damascus Manufacturing really began. At that time, it is true, one could find here and there in some aristocratic hands a fowling piece with Damascus barrel, but that was a Damascus, the composition of which was very elementary, compared with our present Damascus. Our forgers and workshops then were almost exclusively occupied in making iron barrels and there were but few barrel-makers, who manufactured tubes or barrels called twist barrels (in French cannons tordus, tors ou torches.)

This process consisted in making a contortion at each soldering heat which the longitudinal soldering of the iron barrel underwent, which evidently stretched the fibres of the iron into a transversal direction, the purpose of which was to give more consistency to the two for resisting or withstanding the dilatation produced by shooting.

This work, which was very slow gave only an imperfect result with respect to Damas keening, but it produced the idea that for obtaining a great power of resistance united with the necessary lightness of the sporting gun, that transversal soldering must be highly preferable to the longitudinal, so that, by manual work ribbons were laminated and wound like a spiral as it is practiced in our days. The barrels thus manufactured with good charcoal iron proved to be already a great progress with respect to solidity, but offered of the Damascus appearance which was visible by certain traces of the spiral produced by the appearance of the fibres or the varnish of the metal.

At this time, Paris, that city of luxury, had also its barrel manufacturers such as Bernard, Leclerc, etc., whom, through the small in number, were not less excellent in their art, and it was from Paris that the first imitation came to us for the researches in combining some mixture of iron and steel in order to produce figures which we call Damascus, such as Turkish Damascus, Bernard, Leclerc and Parisian Damascus, etc., to an infinite number of names, as the combinations that compose the figures Damascus very consistently; almost like the designs on our hanging papers in our rooms, with only the difference, that in these the varieties produced by the colours on the surface, whilst the figures on the Damascus are produced by the substance or material like the designs or patterns in our linen weavers.

What is the Turkish or curled Damascus, the Horse-shoe-nail, the Boston, etc. that that are derived from them?

Well, these are the results of combinations of iron and steel (sheets) put alternately one upon the other exactly as a paquet (deck) of playing-cards always a black (stripe) after a white one, for we must not forget that each iron sheet followed by a steel one represents a black stripe followed by a white; the iron and steel having this propriety to produce easily these two shades, when after the finishing of the barrel, we submitted to the operation called a bronzage or putting it into color which consists in rubbing it over with certain acids. The steel as well as the iron for these fine Damascus barrels must be of a special quality, which is to be got in Wesphalia in Germany from the manufacturers of this metal, especially from the firm Koite of Luttringhausen which supplies as with all we want in this article in which enjoys all the great reputation for this type of article.

Their Bernard Damascus, a name given to this combination by the celebrated barrel-maker Leopold Bernard, who exclusively manufactures this kind of Damascus, we say, is not composed with sheets but with square bars alternately of iron and of steel placed regularly and alternately in a manner is represent a chessboard. Such are in short the primary dispositions of the combination on the mixing of iron and steel which constitute a Damascus.

In order to make our readers understand easily we shall limit our explanations for the present, by giving them a short oversight over the divers evolutions which a packet or lump of this compressed metal is to undergo before and may be successfully transformed into a fine gun barrel. This is generally composed, at least for the curled Damascus, which is now a days most appreciated for fine guns, of about thirty sheets, which each have a thickness of 4mm and a breadth of 120mm thus a square mass of about 50cm long and are kept together in their position either by a light box of common sheet iron or by the help of a small wire-circle at each extremity.

The packet thus prepared is poured into the oven, in order to be welded together at a slight temperature for we must not forget that too hot a fire would spoil the metal and produce what we call a burned Damascus, that is to say, the mass would be altered and which show only a small or no figure of Damascus.

It is for the same reason that in this kind of curled or other fine Damascus, we may not use any other but we refined charcoal iron, because it has, contrary to the Swedish iron, the propriety of being very light colored and consequently of a contrasting hue with the steel and moreover by its natural purity contrary to the coak iron it does not require nor want to be welded at a high temperature for being purified; as we just observed it would be in discord with the steel, its alloy, which cannot and must not be exposed to excessive heat when welding. (It is the [unreadable] Stok Company at Grivegnee [Liege] which enjoys the highest reputation for the preparing these packets of lumps for welding and reducing them into stripes.)

Unfortunately the manufacturing iron by means of coaks is almost everywhere prevailed over its manufacturing with charcoal on account of the extensive use of coaks in all kinds of metallic construction and especially because it is a great deal cheaper, so that charcoal iron becomes more and more scarce.

In Belgium there are only Mess. Mineur et Son a Couvin who manufacture and furnish us this speciality of iron, which we must declare give us the greatest satisfaction by its undeniable superiority and which it is really indispensable for manufacturing fine Damascus barrels.

A great number of fruitless trials have been made with all their similar metals, among others Swedish iron which has the advantage of being fibrous but it also has a defect of being a steely nature, so that it is not produce a beautiful Damascus; it's hue is blending and confounding with that of steel, so that only an imperfect Damascus is resulting from it.

The coak-iron however is also much used in manufacturing barrels on account of its being very cheap, but it cannot be employed in manufacturing the superior kind of Damascus barrels on account of its impurities and of some other defects unseparable from its nature. Therefore it is only made use of in making common and cheap barrels.

We said that the mass of thus prepared sheets were given over to the welding oven or rechafing furnace in order to be welded and afterwards to be laminated in the rolling mill and reduced into small square stripes of 7 to 9 mm thickness according to their use or destination.

The stripes now passed through the hands of the dressing barrel-smiths (who prepares the ribbons) this man makes them white hot in order to twist them in such a manner that every meter length of stripe makes 200 tortions around itself.

Here is yet something to be noticed in favor of the charcoal-iron, for the stripes composed with this kind of iron may be wrung and twisted, and furnish a very fine Damascus, where the coak-iron can only imperfectly be twisted and gives a coarser Damascus.

The same observation may be made respecting the smithwork, more the man is hammering the Damas composition made with charcoal-iron, more it gains hardness and metallic elasticity, were as the contrary takes place in the same composition made up with coak-iron. The stripes twisted in this manner are united front to 2 to 6 together, according to the more or less fine figured we wish to obtain, and are then welded and laminated together in form of ribbons, the thickness of which is different according to the variable thickness of the barrel down to its muzzle.

It is yet to be observed that the torsion which the stripes are to undergo, must be of a geometrical regularity if we want to obtain a regular figure without forgetting that the same torsion must follow the graduations of thickness of the ribbon; that is to say, the tortions are less numerous at the place with a ribbon must keep more thickness, or else the figure would become prolonged proportionately to the prolongation that the ribbon should have got its lesser thickness. The [ribband] thus prepared is rolled like a spiral around a mandrel which is been before enveloped with an iron sheet called the sleeve, the purpose of which is to give a certain stiffness to this roll after the mandrel has been taken out, else the thus prepared barrel would like a spiral-spring, the form of which it has; and could without this sleeve not be conveniently welded, because the resistance of the spring would not a allow an efficacious adhesion of the spiral junctures whilst it is hammered down.

Thus the projected barrel assumes by degrees in the above said manner its final form with respect to the proportional thickness it must have from the powder room (chamber) down to the muzzle. For the barrels pass into the hands of a smith was is welding all the joints of the spiral, proceeding successively by small portions of 4 cm in hammering it on an anvil provided with half circular grooves.

This barrel, as we see, is not a massive or solid bar, but it tube of which the hollow space is maintained by a mandrel (called broche) which the hammerer takes out at each welding-heat, and puts in again for the ensuing hammering; here it is again the iron-sheet sleeve which renders this introduction easier without putting the spiral out of order.

We must observe here, that if this iron-sheet sleeve produces a great facility in forging the barrel, it furnishes at the same time the means for committing a very bad mistake, when, as is often the case with inferior or common barrels the manufacturer does not care enough for excellent workmanship in order to make some economy to which he is sometimes induced by the competitors and low prices, he does not leave the ribbons of sufficient thickness, so that the sleeve may only serve as an auxiliary object. That is to say, when the barrel is forging and the thickness of the ribbon almost allowed to reduce the hollow of the tube to such a diameter that be small enough that in lighting the barrel and reducing it, to its definite caliber, all the sleeve have not been completely taken away, where from results that the sportsman will discover after shooting or otherwise small iron splinters, known under the name of chambres which are nothing else but little remainder of the iron-sheets-sleeve that has not completely vanished. This defect is often found in inferior common Damascus barrels, because it is in the beginning of a rapid interior decay of the arm and at the same time very disadvantageous during the action of the firing.

The barrel in the same manner welded and forged as exactly is possible to the exterior dimensions which it must have in its finished state, which is an essential condition for its conserving all the elasticity, it has acquired, through the hammering is now passing over to the final operations in the sleeve by a first boring out, after which the barrel is straightened, made lighter, polished and ground on a grinding-stone, which method has always been preferred so, that with a lathe we could not obtain so perfect an equality in the thickness of the tube.

We shall not enter into the particulars of garnishing and trimming out which consists in uniting both tubes either by welding them with tin or with the help of brass. The care with which this operation is done is proportional to the quality of the gun, and unfortunately it is often done very [cheaply], because contrary to the usage of other countries, these garnishing is done at Liege by the gun manufacturers themselves. Thereof necessarily it often results quarrels and contestations between the gun maker and the barrel-smith about the responsibility when some barrels have been found with defects in its garnishing or trimming what very recently has yet been proved by a law-suit about this point.

Considering that the garnishing of barrel must be an object of greatest care, since the good quality of the gun, as especially for precise shooting is depending from it, we desire to assume the full responsibility for our articles by furnishing the barrels garnished and completely finished in perforated with care, either choke-bored or smooth perforation just as the customers desire who will kindly favor us with their orders.

In this manner, we are perfectly sure to furnish irreproachable barrels, for we submit them ourselves to a serious shooting proof before delivering them to our
friends and clients.

Our chief purpose in publishing this short notice is to try to give the reader a precise idea of the operations and cares which requires the manufacturing of a good perfect gun barrel and we are fully aware that every true sportsman who read these few lines with some interest. We cannot too much insist on the careful choice of a bad materials which is used in this fabrication especially in our days where imitations and falsifications are executed in large proportions, in order to realize a cheaper price for procuring a rapid sale, and everybody will be the same opinion with us that the careful workmanship which constitute the principal part in this manufacturing must reasonably not be sacrificed on account of the slight difference in the cost price of the barrel when make use of bad raw materials instead of using iron and steel of first quality.

Even the case that the time reader should think we were priding ourselves about our materials and work, we can however not help declaring finally that are firm claims the right of being able to warrant its barrels in every respect and the sportsman who do not take the advantage to apply directly to us may always make sure having a barrel coming from our work if they will notice that their only to require our trade mark.


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The water wheel is no longer there, I believe. Chaudfontaine (hot springs or hot fountain) is now known for its casino. The vegetation in Nessonvaux is mostly gone. The barrel smiths forges have been turned into garages, etc.

Most of the buildings in both towns have been renovated. Liege has deteriorated for the present. The money in Belgium has shifted to the north. I will leave our Belgian members to comment if they choose.

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the average number of heatings to soldering heat, a barrel receives at least a 150 for the fine Damascus tube,

The translated word "soldering" in this statement is a little misleading. The French word for weld is souder. It is often translated to solder, instead of weld. Heuse-Lemoine's comment is in reference to a forge welding heat.

In a reply to Pete, on another thread in this forum, I did some calculations on the number of heats that may be required on a 36 inch barrel tube. My calculations were based on my barrel welding experience. I believe 150 heats per tube may be slightly on the high end. Unless perhaps, Heuse-Lemoine was also counting all of the heats required to process the damascus rod stock into a ribband and then into a barrel.

Numerical calculations suggest that a 36 inch riband coil could be welded into a solid tube in about 50 heats; IF everything went perfectly. I think a fair estimate of the actual number of heats is closer to 100. This figure falls between the calculated minimum and the 150 heats given by Heuse-Lemoine.


it was only when the fulminate was used instead of flintstone that we may say Damascus Manufacturing really began.

The comment here is to reflect the time period that damascus manufacturing truly began. It was about the same time that firearms were converting to percussion (fulminate) ignition systems, vs. flint-lock. The paragraph goes on to say that there were only a few barrels with elementary damascus to be found in the flint-lock period.


a black (stripe) after a white one, for we must not forget that each iron sheet followed by a steel one represents a black stripe followed by a white;

Here again, we have a confusing statement about coloration of the iron and steel elements in a damascus barrel. The comment above suggests that the iron represents black and the steel white. Further down in Heuse-Lemoine's commentary, he contradicts this statement in his writings about the type of iron used in the making of barrels. In this paragraph, he states that the refined charcoal iron has the property of being very light in color, contrasting with the hue of the steel.

we may not use any other but we refined charcoal iron, because it has, contrary to the Swedish iron, the propriety of being very light colored and consequently of a contrasting hue with the steel


In my experience with etching knife blade steels, the low carbon steels come out light in color and high carbon steels are dark. Another experience that I have with etching, is on an original Belgian made barrel tube that I bought from Peter Dyson. This tube I obtained in its "as forged" condition; it never having been finished out. I did a light etch on this tube, using ferric chloride. The iron etched white, the steel black. I am confident that the iron in the damascus pattern is white because the chemise is still in this tube. It is my opinion that the chemise and the iron in the damascus are both of wrought iron, of similar composition. The chemise in this tube also etched white. Having said all this; I am still not comfortable with making a blanket statement that the iron will always be white (lighter) and the steel black (darker) in a finished damascus barrel. My experience is too limited for me to do so.

Color variations between elements in damascus are caused by their different alloying content. Because of their different alloys, they react differently to etchant and coloring chemicals. This is fact. But, given the various alloys that could be included in the metals, plus the numerous chemicals that can be used for etching, as well as coloring (browning/blacking/bluing); what the colors will be in the end product, I cannot state with confidence.

The process and chemicals used by a barrel finisher are what determine the final color. I think it possible that the iron could be the lighter element after an etching process and the darker element after a coloring process (browning/blacking).

I would be VERY interested to hear from some of the folks who have done extensive damascus barrel refinishing. I would like to know what their experiences have been.


could without this sleeve not be conveniently welded, because the resistance of the spring would not a allow an efficacious adhesion of the spiral junctures whilst it is hammered down.

A statement about the chemise; or sleeve. Notice that it says the barrel could not be CONVENIENTLY welded. It doesn’t say that it CAN'T be welded without the sleeve. Greener said that they did not use a chemise. I did not use a chemise in my barrel.

The "resistance of the spring" causing problems with closing the forge welds between the spirals doesn't make sense to me. The is no "spring resistance" in white hot steel.

Previous to the wording highlighted by Drew, Heuse- Lemoine wrote; the purpose of which is to give a certain stiffness to this roll after the mandrel has been taken out.

It is quite possible that the chemise helped to keep the hot barrel tube straight during the welding/ forging process. I can see how if the barrel tube was brought to a welding heat in the middle of the tube and then removed from the forge, it may bend just by its own weight. When forging long objects, it is important to keep both ends of the work-piece supported, or they will bend at the heated area by the pull of gravity.

From what I understand; the Belgians typically worked on a full length barrel tube. Greener's workers worked with shorter tubes; as did I, when making my barrel. We did not need a chemise to support the weight of the heated tube.



proceeding successively by small portions of 4 cm in hammering it on an anvil provided with half circular grooves.

The 4 cm of heated tube is correct. The tube is welded and shaped in small sections at a time.

The circular grooves in the anvil provide a different type of support for the tube than does the flat face of the anvil. If the smith needs to work a small area on one side of the tube, the circular groove gives the opposite side of the tube a broader support area than would a flat surface. Forging the tube in the groove will allow the smith to shape one side of the tube without moving material on the other side. The grooves also are used to keep the tube positioned on the anvil. During heavy forging, a hammer blow that is not exactly centered on the top of the tube can send it skittering across the flat face of the anvil. Forging in the grooves just makes sure that the tube stays put on the anvil.



in uniting both tubes either by welding them with tin or with the help of brass.

This refers to joining the tubes into barrel sets. I don’t have Heuse- Lemoine's original text in French in front of me, so don't know what word got translated into "weld". Weld is not the correct word in English for this process. If I remember correctly; the Belgian made barrel sets were typically joined with silver solder, or brass. The British and American manufacturers used soft solder.


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Thank you once again Steve!

Just for interest, here is a pre-1800 French flintlock with 'Twisted' NOT Twist barrels.

La Chasse Au Fusil Gervis Francois Magne’ de Marolles, 1789
An Essay On Shooting (An English adaptation of Marolles' original)
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The (Twisted) barrel when forged (is) made to undergo the operation of twisting, which is a process employed by the French workmen on those barrels that are intended to be of a superior quality and price to others; but which as will be seen in the sequel, is very different from that followed by the English workmen in the formation of their twisted barrels. This operation consists in heating the barrel in portions of a few inches at a time, to a high degree of red heat, when one end of it is screwed into a vice, and into the other is introduced a square piece of iron with a handle like an augre and by means of these, the fibres of the heated portion are twisted in a spiral direction that is found to resist the effort of the powder much better than a longitudinal one. To render this operation as complete as possible, it is necessary to observe, that when one the several portions of the barrel have been twisted, the heats that are afterwards given in order to consolidate the fibers of the metal in their spiral direction, by means of the hammer, ought not to be very great. Otherwise the grain of the metal will regain its former state, and the barrel be no better than it was before it underwent to twisting.
From the process it is evident, that to twist a barrel in this manner, throughout its whole length, it must be forged nearly a foot and half longer than it is intended to be when finished, that a portion at each end may be kept cold, so as to give a sufficient purchase to the vise and twisting instrument during the operation: these portions are afterwards to be cut off before the barrel is bored.
The English workmen with whom we have conversed…are all of opinion…that this process of twisting…is really injurious to the barrel, by straining the fibres of metal.






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This probably is a side bar, but how much impact would the percentages of the ore or raw material(coke, coal, etc.) have on the final product? Moreover, say if the inland sourced ore had close to the desired percentage of silicon, would this lead to a quality product and hold an edge over another gunmaking centre that had to modify their own mixture. In Belgium, take the Societe Perard & Mineur for example, were the craftsmen getting their iron & steel from one source for the pattern welded composition?

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Drew, where was this information for most of my life when noted gunwriters were putting out so much misinformation about Damascus barrels? Again, I can't help thinking about all of the gorgeous guns I passed up at ridiculously low prices because they had those ticking time bombs of "sometimes rusty wires braided around a mandrel and hammer welded with these rusty areas ready to rupture with the next shot." I should have known better because I could never fathom what braiding process could produce those interesting and varied patterns.

Several things jumped out at me from this article, but the line which said "you can easily imagine the skill these workmen possess" really says it all, and it seems impossible that Damascus was only a few times more expensive to produce than fluid steel. I found it very interesting that the packet of iron and steel was rolled in the mill at minimal welding temperatures to preserve a greater contrast in the finished product. It was also interesting, but not surprising, that iron from different sources had different properties and that iron made with charcoal as opposed to coke had greater purity and a lighter color. Early steel and iron making was much like watching your grandmother cook without a measuring cup or a cookbook, and some cooks were much better than others and used better ingredients. This might be a simple answer to Raimey's question about different ores and other raw materials, and why different makers had different reputations for how good their product was for various end users. It sounds as if the barrel makers spent a lot of time just testing different irons and steels by trial and error to learn what worked and looked the best.

It also sounds like the welding of the ribbands around the mandrel occurred at a much higher temperature and this might explain why there is less contrast in those welds than in the actual pattern when finished and browned or blued. I'm guessing that this would be from the greater and quicker formation of scale at the higher temperatures, and I want to emphasize the difference between scale and slag. They are two very different things. That's why I was questioning Steve in the other Damascus thread about the impact of scale on the strength of the welds, and the use of flux or mechanics to reduce it.

We're really indebted to you and PeteM and Steve for sharing what you guys have learned and possibly saved from becoming another lost technology. I never get tired of reading this stuff!


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