Craig, The problem with the Patriot Act is the same problem that gun control has....it turns law abiding citizens into criminals and it give big government entry into areas of our lives it has no business being in until we've committed a crime. And the anti gun people would describe the gun "problem" in the US today as a war they need to fight.

A couple thoughts having finally read most of this thread.

First, as noted by a few way back, the devil is in the details. The anti gun people will construct laws and publicize what they are proposing as the most reasonable of actions. Until you read the fine print of what actually gets enacted.

Second, the oft repeated statement here about back ground checks being the Trojan horse for registry is, IMHO, correct. Much better, again, IMHO, if you have to have something, to have a licensing system like ours in Canada. It is divorced from the specific gun. As long as the transaction is between licenced citizens, then no one is telling anyone about any specific gun. And yet, the person you are selling your gun to is unlikely to be a gang banger. Please don't take this as support for licensing. It's just not as bad as registries.

Finally, you are going to lose the fight. Maybe not this time. But you will eventually. Because in protecting the specific 2cd amendment right, the pro gun lobby never wins a convert. Too much logic and not enough emotion. The other side has been whipping our asses on this for 40 years straight now. And we keep responding the same way.

My 8 year old boy was selected to represent his grade three class at a public speaking contest. While waiting to hear him, I listened to a cute and appealing little girl from grade four give her speech on why guns are bad. They kill people. Until we figure out how to counter that, our cause is lost.

Last edited by canvasback; 02/27/13 11:05 PM.
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