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Hi. I hope someone can help me with some info on my shotgun. age? model name? value? What i got: Manufacture Francaise D 'Armes Et Cycles De St Etiene Left barrel CHARGE D'EPREUVE T.3.46-36 CHARGE NORMALE VOIRE 2.5.25-36 Right barrel MANUTACTURE FRANCAISE D ARMES & CYCLES SAINT ETIEN On the barrel 18,0 = bore size. 65 = the chamber legth stem 30 from a magasin 1910, I can also find this shotgun in the 1900 magasin, however in the 1895 the same model 655 but there is a smale different. 18,0 = bore diameter mm 65 = chamber legth mm PT with one crown above means the gun has been proofed for the normal load (by this time it meant 850 bars or 12000 pounds per sqare inch)."Charge normale"means the same . -"épreuve fusil fini" means the gun was proofed when really ready for sale,as in the past gunmakers were on the habit ot proofing the guns before finishing(polishing,buffing, bluing...) -MF with crossed cannons is the maker's stamp (info from this site) http://www.bm-st-etienne.fr/simclient/in...S=BKDD_1970675#stamp number 2 on my barrel , 3| St-estienne (page 39) 3| over PT same on my barrel (page 39) 18.0 stamp on my barrel caliber 12 (page 43) =12/65 (page 55) NOS? Fusils = gshotgun/gun pour= for poudres = pouder pyroxylèes = blackpouder ? Please help me
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Hi. I hope someone can help me with some info on my shotgun. value? Sure.... If the gun shown was in very good condition it would be worth maybe 5 or 6 hundred bucks....in the condition shown I'd say the gun has ZERO value.
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The value goes down as the rust increases, wipe the gun down with WD40, Break Free, Triflow or if you have nothing else motor oil but STOP the rust now. My value would be 2-300.
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The value goes down as the rust increases, wipe the gun down with WD40, Break Free, Triflow or if you have nothing else motor oil but STOP the rust now. My value would be 2-300.
bill Any of the above lubricants and some 4-0000 steel wool will make that rust disappear...Geo
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How pitted are the bores? If the inside is anything like the outside, save your time unless you want a nicer looking wall hanger. If the bores are pitted, it has pretty much no value except as a wall hanger which will be around $75.00 in my parts.
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The barrels is in better inside then ouside. I also belive a lot off the rust can be removed. I value is not that importent for me, is more age and model name. I inheritedet this shotgun from my grandad and the sentementel value is graeter than cash And the joy telling my grandad the guns historie is priceless Any one age and model info????
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Looks like a nice wallhanger. But even wallhangers fetch $200-300 on Gunbroker.
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I'd buy some bronze wool (available at most hardware stores), some Kroil or other penetrating oil, and bring some elbow grease along, too. You can get rid of the active rust that way and not lose anything worth keeping: bluing, browning, plating, patina. "Sentimental value" is a REAL value, IMO.
There are guys here who know Manufrance backwards, forwards, and sideways. I'm not one of them, but maybe one will chime in and let you know where this gun fits in the Manufrance world. I fairly recently visited their museum, but it is more focused on bikes and bicycles than guns, although there were a couple of drool-making "Ideals" there.
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Lets hope the right guys will find this topic and when I return from huntig this weekend a lot off info will wait for me I recived a mail from the museum today, so lets hope they can help me.
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Nos fusils= our guns poudres pyroxilees= nitro powders
As already mentioned, it is a 12 bore with 65mm chambers i.e 2.5". This gun was proved for: 3.46grams "T" nitro powder and 38 grams shot ( If I read right) The normal charge (i.e what to use for hunting) was 5.25grams of #2 Black powder and 32 grams shot (ditto) This is a turn of the century (the 20th)lower grade shotgun. Rebounding Hammer back action with top lever opening. Nice piece of wood.
The closest thing I found in the 1900 catalog is the 655 grade which sold for about 200FF, i.e. the same as the lowest grade "Ideal" model. As far as value, the other posts are about right IMHO. Please remove the rust, it hurts to look at it this way. Was your grandfather in Europe during WWII and liberated that gun? Best regards, WC
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Basic farmer's gun, looks like. Probably spent a lot of time in the barn.
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Hey. It is true that the gun has been stored and forgotten in the barn. I know that the shotgun was on the farm in 1949 (was toled by my grandmother), but they do not remember when it was purchased. I would guess between 1945-1949. There was a lot of German troops in the area where the farm is located in WWll, and therefore believe the shotgun was not traded during this period. The farm i locaded outside Bergen, Norway. I plan to brush away the rust, the shotgun is better in the barrels and the mechanism is quite nice on the inside, wonder if hammers have been cut, for they can not possibly make it to the firing pin as it is now. 200FF was about 200 NOK in 1900, in todays value that is 12000 NOK that is 2 126 US dollar.
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Yes the hammers can make it to the firing pins. To insure, with NO AMMO in the gun. Without cocking the hammer, AT THE SAME TIME, pull the trigger and push the hammer towards the firing pin. The hammer should touch and move the firing pin. Good luck Do you live in Norway? Welcome to this site Mike
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IMO, I wouldn't be afraid to use 000 or even 00 steel wool and oil on that gun. I have used 000 many times with no damage to the blueing.
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I should have made the point that, even as a basic farmer's gun, it was nonetheless a quality piece when new - the sideclips are not something one finds on a piece of junk.
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Yes i live in Norway, Bergen, west coast. The hammers will not reach the firing pin, I also checked the firing mec when I splitted the gun. Everyting is ok there. I will have a gun smith check it out for me, I have a huntig shot gun so this is just for the wall I also got 3 muzzleloader rifle from 1842, 1853 and one not identifid, lot of shinning to do there as well. So the gun is in working con. however i have to registrate the gun with the police.
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