doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com So I found this old Cape gun/target pictures now

....and it will shortly be on its way to my house. It is a Jost & Diehl in 9.3 X ? by 16 bore. Raimey believes made in Ferlach. I want to take the opportunity to publicly thank him for his opinion, knowledge and assistance to me on this firearm.

This will be my first experience with a Cape gun and I would like to ask if anyone has worked with them and their experience. After I decided to acquire this firearm I dug through all my back issues of DGJ and learned that they were often regulated to shoot the rifle and the smoothbore with round ball or similarly short projectile to the same POA. Something I had completely overlooked during my previous reading of those articles. If this is chambered to 9.3 X 72R, which I hope, does anyone have any suggested starting loads that might regulate? And a source for brass. I haven't been able to find any.

I know there will be a clamoring for pictures, and I like them too, so here's a link to the auction.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=293576924

Opinions and thoughts solicited.

very nice. I had been watching that gun. Very interesting engraving pattern.

It is an interesting pattern, and I don't recall ever seeing a cheek rest quite like that either. After the first time I saw it I kept going back and looking some more. I couldn't, or didn't want to, get it out of my head.

Sharps,
Congratulations, I think Raimey is probally right on with the Ferlach history with that cheekplate shape, once you get it chamber cast & are sure of the calibre give me a shout if it is 9.3x72R as I some ammo &/or components to get you going. Mike Ford did an excellent article in the GGCA Waidmannsheil magazine awhile back that has lots of loading info in it & is a must for the 9.3x72R owner.

m-4

Ford, with his bionic caliper eyes, thinks it is a 9.8mm but either way there is enough knowledge base here to cobble up about anything. I don't know if it makes any difference but it seems the tubes are reversed for a typical combo. It may be that the English preferred one arrangement while the Germans another? Anyway it may be a 360 BPE or some 10mm variant.

I can't say what the founding date which surely was prior to 1880, but by 1900 the owners were Heinrich Diehl & Heinrich Ludwig Jost. Jost & Diehl sold hunting and fishing haberdashery as well as sewing machines & bicycles. Both may have been businessmen but somehow they had to have a master gunsmith on staff to peddled sporting weapons. Heinrich Ludwig Jost was the a partner, the business component and probably the money man as his name was 1st. In 1927 there were at Haferga�se 15 in Worms, Germany & had a telephone number of 731. I would guess the example to have been made between 1873 & 1882 and components may have been sourced from Birmingham.



Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The cheekpiece is called a "Bayrische Backe", the form dates way back into muzzleloader times.
Not that uncommon on older guns, see this one:
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3927208

Yours is also quite old, I do not see any proofmarks, so I'd guess it was built before app. 1890, most probably for blackpowder loads.
As far as I know, German and Austrian cape guns always had the rifle barrel on the right side.
It's the British who have to do everything the other way round.

Regards,
fuhrmann

I believe the Austrians were the only ones to use a mm stamp for the scattergun tube so I wonder if the 16.0 equates to a 20 bore?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Thank you very much m-4. That's very kind of you and I apperciate it. Time will tell the story, eh? Where might I acquire a copy of Weidmannshiel magazine? I've never heard of it.

Sure doesn't look very poorly stamped in that blow up, does it. 9.8 would be ok too. I've had to reform and fireform brass before and have no problem doing so again if I know where to start. I don't have access to a lathe anymore so turning rims or heads might be something of a challange. 16 bore would be preferable but 20 is ok too. Brass hulls, if required, are available for both. The Cape gun I looked at last week was German and the rifle was on the right. But I haven't looked at many.

Barnes doesn't list any 9.8's. Would that be about 40 caliber? There are a couple 9.5's and various 10.15's.

That cheek rest in the link is also quite "hefty" and that's quite a drilling. Black powder is fine and is indeed the preferred propellant. It's about all I use anymore. How much is 200,000 Euros?

Oh brother....getting old, forgetful and easily distracted has its moments...and can be embarrassing. When I read Raimey's post about the 20 bore I thought, "that's ok if it is, not a problem". Forgetful and distracted....lol!! I was in the shower while ago thinking about that and remembered I asked the seller if he knew if the chamber was 2 1/2 or had been opened to 2 3/4. His exact words were, "I don't know but a 16 gauge shotgun shell will chamber and the action close on it". I think it's a 16....surely...

Baumgarten gives that his sourced for 9.3X72R brass is Huntington, where he acquired said brass for conversion for an 8x72R project of his. So components are readily available from most ammo and if not Ford can tell you how to craft it.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse