I don't know, Birdog, maybe while you were up on the roof (why are you up there??) you didn't see all those Harbor Freight catalogs. I thought they went out to everyone. The lathe in the picture sure looks like the current ad photos in the catalog. I was really trying to be a bit nice in my initial post, I really have to agree with OB above. Everything I have heard about Harbor Freight tools is "horrible". This isn't metal "forming" machinery as I think of that term. It's a metal lathe that allows you to turn an object while a tool bit works it. Again, the lathe in the photo above looks to be the same or very similar machine they currently advertise. That's why I was so surprised to see it in Merrington's shop.