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Some of the extreme modern shooters are using 1 1/4 or less DAC x 2" or less at the heel. Guilty as charged.
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Chuck H brings up a good point. Late 1800 and early 1900 guns made for competition shooters were very modern in dimensions and bulk. Some early Parker guns made for company shooters had very thick combs and high dimensions. In 1887, company shooter W.S. Perry ordered a C Grade Bernard ten, 11 pounds, 14 3/8" with drop of 1 1/4" X 2". C.F. Wheal, another company shooter, ordered an identical but B Grade Damascus gun 14 1/4" with drop of 1 5/8" X 2". Annie Oakley ordered guns from Parker Brothers, usually close to her Lancaster measured dimensions of about 1 1/4" X 1 7/8" to 2" of drop. Gun makers never considered field shooters ordering or buying hunting guns to know much about shooting. Short stocks with three or more inches of drop at the heel were just fine for standard guns. Why? Who knows.
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Fulfords record scores weren't about field hunting, but live pigeon events. Quite a feat back in the day. I myself like at least 3" DAH and about 2 1/4" at the comb. Easier on the neck. Only problem is I don't the excuse of "lifting my head " - it's already up and I don't have to, to see if I missed. Paul
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Chuck and Ken, "Extreme modern shooters"
Chuck and Ken, "Extreme modern dimensions, 1 1/4 X 2"? Not hardly modern.
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Captain Bogardus in England: glass ball shooting at Agricultural Hall, London c. 1878 Not exactly 'heads up'! 
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"Extreme modern dimensions, 1 1/4 X 2"? Not hardly modern.
Agreed but.....extremely scarce.
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c. 1880 proper English lady 
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Chuck and Ken, "Extreme modern shooters"
Chuck and Ken, "Extreme modern dimensions, 1 1/4 X 2"? Not hardly modern.
/ LOL...OK, maybe Ken isn't extremely modern, I really don't know...and my wife says I'm backward. But, I'm somewhat in agreement with GregSY on what is proper or not. A guy that shoots a 1 1/4" drop to near 100% is no less or more "proper" than a guy doing the same level of shooting with a 1 3/4" drop. I really don't think "proper" is the right word. When we look at off-the-shelf guns, it's more about what works for the masses or what the mfrs believe works. Gun mfrs of production, off-the-shelf guns, have to decide what dimensions they want to make to draw the largest market. That seems to have changed, for the most part.
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I'd rather refer to myself as "Avant Guarde" than modern.  I'm off to hammer away with my barely shootable 1 1/2 X 2 1/4"  Union Armeras at five stand. Fortunately I loaded up a case of spreaders....whoopidddeeedooo!.
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I think it is quite enlightening that the 1885 competition shooters DID order almost the same stock dimensions that competition shooters do today. Serious shooters 125 years ago apparently did not shoot heads up any more than do most shooters today. I have not found a gun ordered by a competition shooter in the Parker Brothers records that had what we would consider a crooked stock.
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