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Can anyone give added info with the flat pics since the original thread,.....http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=153601&page=2#Post153601 It's near the bottom of the second page.

Flat pics, twelve pics and others, keep clicking on the right pic.
http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/ronald9391/?action=view&current=PICT0344.jpg

The only mark I could see that might indicate the date of mfg. is on the right barrel just in front of the flat, there is a 6/31.
Is this a Prussian gun or what model? Someone mentioned a 'round top'. As can be seen in the pics, it has the crossbolt and what looks like a round top. It has working ejectors; the seller said extractors. The blue on the barrels is just starting to get a little thin from the front of the forend to the breech. Checkering is deep and perfect. No marks on the forend. A few very light marks on the butt stock. Also has the original butt plate, I think.
According to my measurements it is choked .017 and .027; balance beam scale says 5 lb 11 oz.
Anyone venture a guess at the value?

I don't see a date stamp in the typical location but if the serial is 261xxx, then the 1930s is a possibility. Can you post a pic or email a pic of the mark you describe as well as any other barrel marks? If it is a V,L&D with ejectors and upper hinged scears only, then it would be a Model 180E. What are the letter along the side of the right barrel flat?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Photos are so dark as to not be of much help, tried to lighten them up but lost too much detail. I believe you got a nice buy, thlough. I also cannot see a date mark on it. Can you get more photos with more detail and under better light?

I just added four more photos. Try to get a pic of the 6/31. I'm not sure when they started putting the date stamps on the flats.

Got a new camera coming next week.

On side by side longarms typically the date is stamp on the left flat around the Nitro mark. September 1923 is the "official" date for date stamping at Suhl. As a Sauer I doubt it went thru any other proofhouse. I see the "SuS"(Sauer and Son) mark on the watertable as well as 2 cavemen on the flats. Are there any large or small crowns on the flats. On the right flat it looks to be xxxxxxxxx Suhl??? Nice wood though.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I just added one with the '3/16', kind of fuzzy. It's just in front of the right flat. This camera has no auto-focus, be glad when the other one is here. Can be seen clearly on the left barrel in front of the flats.

http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/ronald9391/?action=view&current=PICT0342.jpg

On the outer edge of the right flat it says 'made in germany'

ABOVE THE 'U' and the S on both flats there is a crown.

http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/ronald9391/?action=view&current=PICT0337.jpg

I don't know which act it was but I don't think it was in 1913 but for some reason 1922 comes to mind and I'll have to research it a bit, but here is some info on the mark of the "country of origin" for the U.S. of A.:

Oct. 3, 1913, ch. 16, Sec. IV, F, subsecs. 1 and 2, 38 Stat. 194


Act of September 21st, 1922, ch. 356, title IV, Section 592, 42 Stat. 982(it may not be the 1922 Tariff Act) Section 592 - http://books.google.com/books?id=m1orAAA...iff+Act+of+1922

Looks like the country of origin clause is in Section 304, but I can't find a text that I can access. "Tariff Act of September list, 1922 (DHA 1922, pp. 854, 918), Section 304
(2). — All imported goods and their wrappers must bear marks of origin..."

section 304, Tariff Act of 1930-
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&...=TOC_63700&

The stamp "Made in Germany" is going to take it out of the Prussian category.

"Crown" over "U"(inspected, maybe 2nd proof) and "Crown" over "S"(smoothbore) are typical. The date stamp is not in a typical location, but then again it is of German origin. Are there any initials just ahead of the flats near the lower rib?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

On the left barrel just ahead of the flat is I think a German eagle, on it's right is the S with crown above it just like on the flat. Ahead of the right flat is the 6/31, above it the eagle.

On the bottom of the lump nearest the breech are the numbers 231 and a random placed V and an O.

Does it have the round topped frame?

Thanks ellenbr!

The tubes were probably proved separately at an earlier time and then the whole lot was proved in 1931. How do the German Imperial Eagles of the tubes and flat compare? Are they similar or is the one on the tubes more close knit and the one on the flats has more air between its components.

There should be some initials near the forend lug and somewhere on the tubes. I expect one of the letters to be a gothic "J". It will have Krupp steel tubes, but is the type stamped?

Roundtop: I'll have to download it again but if it doesn't have a sharp transition at the top of the frame, then the only other choice is a roundtop.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse