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reelmaker....You sure that's a Scott Premier Gun.
Here's the question I asked....he chose not to reply. Is there something wrong with my question ? I chose not arousal from your question Mr HJ....You have convinced me of your obvious Scott expertise. My ability to read words like Premier displayed on an action are lacking....So I will not trouble this board again with a 20 bore I thought might be interesting to members here at large...Thank you...you have reaffirmed my prior opinion about such public displays and leave my veracity in such matters to experts like you ....
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Reelmaker-
Never mind him. Every village has its, well, troublesome characters.
But please tell us more about your 20g Premier. I've seen one other 20g Premier, but it was a much later gun. Your gun must be a very early one.
BTW: if you prefer to talk about your gun offline, you can reach me at:
hfn_03570@yahoo.com
Thanks
OWD
Last edited by obsessed-with-doubles; 04/27/09 09:41 PM.
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I am considering acquiring a W&C Scott Premier, Imperial Grade & would like to know if they were original with a pad? Can the original specifications be verified? This gun is rather expensive, and I would like to know, what is being offered. Thanks Lon
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Hey bub... You make less than 6 posts on here and pop up with a gun that doesn't look like a Premier then get yer 'panties in a wad' because I ask you if you were sure...People post pictures of guns on here all the time that they are mistaken about. If you have a real Premier there's no reason you have to run and hide with it...get reel...reelmaker. I'm no expert by a long shot but there are some on here that are real experts.....then there are some guys (like Mike) that are expertz at falling into money pits. 
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Original with a pad? Probably not. I doubt someone would order one that way - but you never know.
What kind of pad?
I know there's a guy in the UK who has some factory records for Webley & Scott. I think this is for guns made after about 1920. I don't know if he has the records on W. & C. Scotts, though.
Tell us more about the Premier & Imperial Premier you are considering. Does a dealer have them? I know there are at least 2 Imperials on the market right now.
BTW: before you seal the deal, you should have the guns looked over by someone who really knows them. This can save you a lot of money - a lot of money.
OWD
Last edited by obsessed-with-doubles; 04/28/09 08:59 AM.
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It is the one Galazan has advertised. I have always wanted an English Double and W&C Scotts look like a good value. Thanks
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That's a nice looking gun.
I don't know about it being a good value - maybe. Galazan's prices tend to be pretty high. However, the other Imperial on the market is $30,000.
Like I said, I would have an independent 'smith take a very close look at it - especially at the bbls.
That gun is heavy, too - 8lbs. Are you looking for a field gun or something for sporting clays?
OWD
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Thanks,
The gun appeals to me as it has 30 inch barrels and full & full chokes. This configuration is not common on English guns. I was concerned about the pad but why do you mention the barrels?
I believe the real values lie at the upper price ranges, just so long as you don't buy a "pig in a poke"!
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English guns are all about the bbls. If the bbls are bad, the gun is usually bad.
You need a good 'smith to check the following:
-The proofing history of the gun
-The current bore sizes
-The current bbl wall thicknesses
-The presence of dents, ding, bulge, pitting
-The presence of riveling
-The chambers
-The choke cones
-The presence of any previous repairs
-The overall soundness of the bbls/ribs
-Other things I'm sure I'm forgetting
Do not depend on the dealer's report of these things.
If you need a 'smith, tell us where you are and we can help you out.
I would NEVER buy any gun, from any dealer, without having a 'smith look at it first - especially an English gun.
There's simply too many little things that can be wrong with a fine shotgun.
OWD
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The stock dimensions,weight and chokes suggest a pigeon gun so the Silvers pad could be original however the quality of the wood does not seem up to usual Scott standards,especially an Imperial. I suspect a restock,although very well done. Beautiful action.
Terry
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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