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I bet ya'll get fatigued with my many steel questions, but I was curious if I could get a sense of just how many tube types/steel makers that can be found on Lindner Dalys, Schilling, Schuler and Triebel Dalys and if there were any exceptions to finding Krupp tubes on a Sauer Dalys. Mr. Hallquist's Daly with Rochling steel tubes seems a bit odd and I was wondering if there were more Rochling examples, as well as Boehler, Bochumer Verein, Poldi, Rhienmetal, etc. I think Sempert & Krieghoff(Ludwig, Sr.)/V.C. Schilling to be the source of the Rochling steel tubes. From S, D & G catalogues it can be seen that models were available with Krupp or Witten tubes. Feel free to include Damascus or pattern welded tubes, but I would venture a guess that revdocdrew has that covered. I'm also fishing to see if there are any tubes by the Ritz brothers.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

By "Sauer Dalys" I assume you mean drillings made by Sauer and sold under the Charles Daly name? All of these I have seen are Krupp-tubed. Many have do have "Three-ring" Krupp barrels.

I remember seeing a comparsion chart somewhere of the various steel maker's tubes with either a relative strength rating or quality rating. I may have been in an old Double Gun Journal? I do remember Witten Excelsior being rated right at the top or tied for best.

Yes, any and all including the pre-WWI Daly Sauers(Model 60s/Diamond Quality) with the patent info on the sides of the tubes as well as the odd Sauer serial number sequence and any with the Krupp 1922 trademark "Nirosta" steel stamp. The question probably has already been posed and answered. I'll check the DGJ and was Witten ever compared to Rochling?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Year 1895-----Fine Damascus on lower models, Bernard, Turkish, and Chine on upper models starting at Model 200. Fluid steel on Model 100 drilling

Year 1912 and 1914-------------Whitten Excelsior or Krupp Special [not to be confused with Krupp regular] on Models 225-500. Krupp [regular] on models 50 and 105.

1917----------No Daly guns listed

I will not be much help here as this is not my forte.
Back when Hans and i were researching the man, by me, and the guns by him, he noted that there was evidence that the Ritz Bros. should be included.
If memory holds, Hans had a Lindner Daly 12 gauge with a tiny mark in the action that he attributed to Ritz Bros.
Don't know about the tubes, though.
Unless I am in left field, the Schilling barrels should be marked with the S in a six sided cartouche.
Best,
John

In regard to the fluid steel guns -

Fluid steel Daly gun are not mentioned in the 1895 SD&G catalog. The first catalog I own where they appear is 1899. Initially only Krupp steel is offered. A few years later Witten Excelsior is offered on the diamond quality guns. From 1900-1916, only Krupp (special steel) and Witten are offered.

From 1917 - until the early 1920s, Daly guns are not available in the catalogs . (The earliest catalog I own that shows their re-appearance is 1924.) From 1924 - approx 1930, the Witten steel is still there but Krupp "special steel" has been replaced by Roechling "special steel."

Ken

- On a related topic, I have some pics from a very interesting Daly I'l be posting. This one loads from the front. The damascus tubes on it are fantastic.

Ken, the 1895 catalog does offer "Fluid" steel in the Model 100 drilling, which is probably a Sauer gun.

In the 1912 and 1914 catalogs, Krupp [not Krupp Special] is offered on Models 50,105,107,108,135, 165,and 185

Question for you Lindner Daly experts: Can you tell me the model of the gun shown in the very first picture on the other Lindner Daly thread (Lindner Daly forend question)? It's a featherweight with Krupp barrels. Thanks.

Whatta think Ken-
model 135, 165 ?

- JBP

Larry,

Likely it is a model 185. I can't tell from the photos if it has ejectors. The next step down AT THE TIME THIS GUN WAS MADE was the model 135 which was similar with a little less engraving and extractors. The 185 was right below the start of the diamond quality models.

The thing that is confusing with Daly models is that the particular model number really depends on the time period in which it was made and sold. Some models came and went (e.g., the model 155) and others models were grouped together or later broken out based on their features. This is what causes so much confusion in the Prussian Dalys. That said, the post-1900 model structure is a lot less confusing than the earlier guns.

Ken