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Hi all, what can any of you tell me about this maker and his gun?
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One of the Ansorg boys from Mehlis & Zella-Mehlis, Germany. I'd have to see a pic of a longarm as his may have spanned the spectrum of German guns and I'll bet August H. Ansorg made the tubes for his guns. There was some relationship between Greifelt and Ansorg as some Greifelts are marked C. K. Ansorg. And with Greifelt, Emil Schlegelmilch was a founder with Oskar Jung being in the top command tier at the onset of WWI.
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I have a C. K. Ansorg Drilling that is also marked Hof a Salle, which I am told is the city of manufacture. It is 16ga. X 16ga. X 8x57R. It appears to be a high quality very ornately and heavily engraved piece with claw mounts and rear sight which flips up when the rifle barrel is selected. The original triggerguard which I believe was made of horn is missing. I guess I'll be watching this thread as I too would like to know more about this gun and it's maker.
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I've seen that city/river stamp where Ansorg was probably a firearms merchant near the Czech border where there was a shooting community/militia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hof,_Germany , that is if I have the Hof a Salle correct. All of the address for the Ansorg folk as master gunsmiths, gun-works was around Mehlis, Zella-Mehlis. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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With our virtual playground now back open, C.K.(Konrad????-just a guess) Ansorg must have been a big fan of St. Nic. as from the mid to late 1920s he self published(eigenverlag) a Christmas catalogue. If you search the term "eigenverlag CK Hof ad Saale" and use the translator, you should find a catalogue. I thought of a purchase but it was more than $100 Euro and I don't own an Ansorg yet. He was listed in 1920 in the Zella-Mehlis directory and may have moved by the mid 1920s, or may just have had a firearm merchant's store in Hof ad Saale. I think it to be here, http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...l%3Den%26sa%3DG , but due to all the rain my phone/internet infrastruture is quite handicaped. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, Thanks for the info, though I was hopeful that someone out there knew more about this maker and his guns. I suppose it's very possible that this gunmaking concern did not survive WWII. Greg, as you initiated this thread, I'm wondering if you actually have or have seen a double or drilling by C. K. Ansorg and could tell us about it. My drilling was liberated from Germany after the war by a soldier who had been released from a POW camp near Erfurt. I had also bought a 16 Ga. Hermann Eichorn sidelock double, from the same gent, that was made in Erfurt.
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For sure, his concern didn't survive WWI and I don't know his date of birth, but it looks as when the mastergunsmith became older he leaned towared being a firearms merchant only. On the Grefielts marked C.K. Ansorg, I would guess Ansorg being the agent/firearms merchant in Hof a.d. Saale. A poster may exist somewhere.
Keith what is the city stamp on your drilling, Hof a.d. Saale or Hof a. Salle?
About the only means in obtaining info is to get the trade catalogues, if any exist, and possibly decipher the maker/firearm merchant's mark on the examples of their fine work. Eichorn, I don't know, but was probably a gunsmith/firearm merchant that sourced components from Suhl.
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Hi all, well in answer to Keiths question. I have not seen one yet, but I did buy one, here it is: http://www.gunsamerica.com/908900464/Guns/Shotguns/Double-Shotguns/German/Greifelt_by_C_K_Ansorg.htmI posted this before, but I got it for $1650 shipped. Thanks also Raimey for your explaination on the Greifelt being marked C.K. Ansorg. I was wondering about this. Thanks all for all your comments! Greg
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Raimey, Sorry for the delay, but I finally dug out the gun. It is marked C. K. Ansorg on rt. bbl. and Hof A. Saale on the left bbl. Both shotgun bbls. are marked Bohler*Stahl. It is a double underlug with a crossbolt thru the barrel extension. It has sideclips and near 100% coverage engraving with a Roe deer on the right and a bugling stag on the left in forest scenes. Rifle barrel is stamped 7,8 x 57 with 338 under that. Nitro proof marks along with many other proof marks and Suhl stamped on all barrels on bottom. I was told the missing trigger guard was probably horn, but the inletting seems more slender than I would associate with the horn guards I've seen. I'm not sure how horn guards are attached. This one has the typical rear wood screw and threaded stud forward of the triggers type of attachment.
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Keith:
Is it a longarm proofed/proved in March 1938? Looks like there might be a file beginning on Ansorg with another post showing him as a firearms merchant in Wurzburg. GGCA sells the horn in the rough. If it has the menancing muzzle along with the forest scenes, I would venture a guess of a horn triggerbow.
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