Ted and I don't see 'eye to eye' on everything but Darnes is one of them along with Ithaca Model 37's. My first Darne was a 12 bore R10 and if truth be known, it was the best of the lot factoring in the price i paid for it used($260USD) in 1976. In any event Ted supplied my third, a Bruchet 16 gauge, that I would not part with as its as perfect as a Darne can get. It was designed as a grouse gun by me, Ted and Bruchet.-Dick