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#107680 08/17/08 08:57 PM
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I did a search for ITX on the forum and came up empty handed. Has this new shot been discussed here before? It looks like it might show promise, but I wonder if it is soft enough for damascus guns. The price doesn't look too terrible. The link to the source is:

http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/prodinfo.asp?number=TX02

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I am an avid waterfowler, and have not read of any approvals for this product for use on waterfowl. If I am wrong it would be a welcome addition to the field of non toxics.


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The picture looks like the pellets have a raised band around the middle. the ad says that each pellet is individually cast.
That shape would be similar to some pills prduced by pharma companies so might make sense from a manufactuing viewpoint.
I wonder what shape that does to patterns.


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Very interesting.

Says right in there it's approved by the USFWS? I can't imagine Ballistic Products opening themselves up to the problems it would cause by saying that if it wasn't true.

All the Kent TM pellets are "belted" and they seem to shoot fine.

Kind of a moot point anyway as it's "Sold Out".


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That band is a parting line from the dies they are stamped in. I read about a fellow developing a ribbon fed press that stamped out pellets. Modest irregularities in pellets has little effect at the ranges we shoot. I don't think there even are 2 heavi-shot pellets that are the same.

I copied the approved materials list from the USFWS website. It is listed below. I have never seen some of the approved alloys. Perhaps this product was one of the more unusual ones.
I am always skeptical of the gap between enforcement realities, and the approved product lists.
Ultimately, as USFWS says, the list is informational, not regulatory.
I'd like to see the approval form before I headed out to the refuge for early goose season.

APPROVED SHOT TYPES

The shot types that are approved as nontoxic for waterfowl hunting in the U.S. are the following.

Approved shot type*
Composition by weight
Field testing device**

bismuth-tin
97% bismuth and 3% tin
HOT*SHOT ***

iron (steel)
iron and carbon
Magnet or HOT*SHOT *

iron-tungsten
any proportion of tungsten and ≥1% iron
Magnet or HOT*SHOT *

iron-tungsten-nickel
≥1% iron, any proportion of tungsten, up to 40% nickel
Magnet or HOT*SHOT *

tungsten-bronze
51.1% tungsten, 44.4% copper, 3.9% tin, and 0.6% iron

and 60% tungsten, 35.1% copper, 3.9% tin, and 1% iron
Rare Earth Magnet

tungsten-iron-copper-nickel
40-76% tungsten, 10-37% iron, 9-16% copper, and 5-7% nickel
HOT*SHOT * or Rare Earth Magnet

tungsten-matrix
95.9% tungsten and 4.1% polymer
HOT*SHOT *

tungsten-polymer
95.5% tungsten and 4.5% Nylon 6 or 11
HOT*SHOT *

tungsten-tin-iron
any proportions of tungsten and tin and ≥1% iron
Magnet or HOT*SHOT *

tungsten-tin-bismuth
any proportions of tungsten, tin, and bismuth
Rare Earth Magnet

tungsten-tin-iron-nickel
65% tungsten, 21.8% tin, 10.4% iron, and 2.8% nickel
Magnet


* Coatings of copper, nickel, tin, zinc, zinc chloride, and zinc chrome on approved nontoxic shot types also are approved.

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I'm thinking since CMT is a powdered metal company, that the pellets are of one of the bronze alloys. I don't think they are still active in their production.
There's a dispute with some former employees that started a company "Sinter fire" over their dismissal.


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